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Isn't your logic here a bit like the chief of KFC sitting down and saying "we're spending a shit ton on chicken. If we stop buying chicken and just sell buns we can double our profits while selling cheaper food"
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How can you compare the prices of movies, comics and videos of this genre? Comic books and movies are mass produced. The creators have a ton of consumers and aren't starting from scratch. Producers of this genre are starting without all the backing in place, and they are selling to a niche group. I just don't think any of the above mentioned comparisons are logical.
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Agree with Sugarcoater - the reason comic books and mainstream movies are so cheap to the customer is because there are SO many customers! - economy of scale.

If you did strip out all the fetishy stuff from a vid and kept the poor quality it could be cheaper to make - since you don't really need a fetish model for that. Any acting school talent would do.

However the reason fetish vids can demand their price is because they are fetish vids.

There's a wealth of SUPER low budget fanfilms out there, and you don't even have to pay for them!! :D .. becuase there's not that many people who will............
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Lets not forget that the people making these films for us are trying to make a living and when you consider they have had to pay for costumes, props, sets, lighting- cameras- sound equipment, lighting-camera-sound guys, the actresses, the male performers, studio time, post production and editing and put up with our gripes and they still do it all for a buck a minute or less, then they aren't expensive at all.

They have to shift a lot of units just to break even and then after all their hard work within days of release it can get posted and shared or they have people like us coming on here and saying 'I didn't like the colour of her boots' it must be soul destroying...they are the real superheroes for making them for us in the first place.
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Batman was a primetime network TV show funded by advertising. How could anyone compare that to a fetish video funded by sales from a niche audience?
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tallyho wrote:Lets not forget that the people making these films for us are trying to make a living and when you consider they have had to pay for costumes, props, sets, lighting- cameras- sound equipment, lighting-camera-sound guys, the actresses, the male performers, studio time, post production and editing and put up with our gripes and they still do it all for a buck a minute or less, then they aren't expensive at all.

They have to shift a lot of units just to break even and then after all their hard work within days of release it can get posted and shared or they have people like us coming on here and saying 'I didn't like the colour of her boots' it must be soul destroying...they are the real superheroes for making them for us in the first place.
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Another option is to make the video yourself. You could go very low budget by simply paying a prostitute to wear a costume and record it with your phone camera. Although it would be super low budget, low quality and amateur, but you'd have much more control over the final product compared to purchasing a custom from a producer. You would be able to decide exactly which areas to cut cost on. Also, if you were to put your video up for sale, you might even make back all the money you spent assuming that the video sells to a few customers.

I think it's fair to say that with many of the videos on the market right now some of us could easily bear to have certain elements cut for a reduced price. In my opinion (feel free to disagree) some producers go to too far in some places to make their videos feel professional. While I know some people like and want this, I personally could care less since I may just be looking for specific fetish content. I could accept having shitty audio, non professional lighting, no cameraman/static mounted camera, filmed in garage, with minimal editing and zero post FX in a simple Blair Witch style found footage video as long as the film has a nice looking girl+costume and the right fetish content.

Obviously not everyone will share my opinion on this but I am certain that each person has their own list of "most important things" when they are looking to purchase a video. Someone could easily decide to buy or not buy a video based on one element alone (which may be their #1 on list of most important things) completely disregarding 90% of the work and money a producer has put into a film. I'm sure a producer could spend over a million dollars hiring a famous actress with ILM quality CGI and a whole crew of cameramen, lighting specialists and whatnot. But in the end, if that video didn't have the heroine in pantyhose, some guy out there would have made the decision to not buy it because that was really the most important thing he was looking for.

I bring these points up because I don't want this thread to turn into a circle-jerk of people trying to justify video costs while disregarding a valid discussion topic that WOW-Girl has brought up.
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I actually don't think the sex is necessary. One can imply it quite well. I think the other fetish elements are more important. Sex just turns the movie into a plain porn flic for me.
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I don't mind a hitachi wand or mauling which I'd want but a guy and penetration for me seems like too much money for little returns. If you're going to do penetration then now you have to pay a guy to come in and do the part so the cost just went up. Then you get into the whole porn contract stuff, making sure people have their papers straight etc. I certainly don't have the equipment to pull off a porn seen. And do the sales cover those extra costs. I'd have to wonder if 5 minutes of breast mauling and sexy struggles would would be more worth 5 minutes of sex.
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WonderKenna wrote: Oh, oh my brother tallyho, speak that truth, you speak that truth!!!!
Well, WK, if you want my babies, I'm sure we can come to some sort of amicable arrangement! :whistle:
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Even television and movies try to cut costs by reusing elements and sets as much as possible. The TV series The Fall Guy would use stunt footage from other movies instead of doing it themselves at greater cost. But at least they can pass on costs to other episodes or future sales.

Even a lousy TV series that gets cancelled after a few episodes can recoup costs with video on demand DVD sales to the few people that liked it. They no longer have to make 100 or more episodes for syndicated rerun sales.
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My understanding of costs and budgets and whatnot is that first and foremost any distributer or credit card company is going to get into you for a huge slice of the sale price, that's just a given. Credit cards have decided that they don't like porn (you'd be amazed the companies they have no problem at all with doing business with, but they feel the need to judge porn producers apparently - [Rant Redacted] Ahem) and this makes the whole business inherently much more expensive than it needs to be. So C4S is eating maybe 40% I think? Which is a lot.

Past that you've got the production expenses and these seem to vary wildly. I think there's a huge advantage for models who know how to run their own websites and edit, even shoot, their own movies. That cuts their overheads dramatically, which is all more money for them. These costs aren't really noticeable on a store page, but you see them with customs. So some producers are having to eat a few hundred or more in production costs for stuff that is behind the scenes. Those costs will either be recouped in the movies or that producer is having to eat a loss.

Then when you look at other things like locations, props, effects, costumes additional models and the extra money that will usually be required for anybody doing hardcore scenes, then, finally, you can start to say, "Welp, maybe we could save a few bucks if nobody got naked." But I'm not sure it's an easy call to make. That is to say stuff that is niche fetish content for a specific audience will sell to that audience, and it can work for those viewers by being heavily fetish oriented and money can be saved therefore by cutting out the other stuff. However, if you've got hot models in hot costumes fucking each other to within an inch of their lives, well, you've also made something that can be marketed to literally everybody in the world who likes porn. Even the most vanilla porn watchers in the world aren't going to kick a video out of a shopping basket because it's got Batgirl in it, but they might if she's not actually doing anything conventionally porny (is porny a word? It is now).

It's all economics, costs and balances, and it's probably kind of boring. Although to be honest I find it really interesting. Nerd gonna nerd.
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Another thing to consider is that parody is a transformative genre. It offers commentary on the original by presenting an exaggerated version.

If somebody were to make a Wonder Woman movie for profit which has no humor or porn, then they would be using the character without permission. That's not parody, but just unauthorized use. This would obviously place the producer in a much more vulnerable position to copyright claims from DC/Warner and Marvel/Disney.
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wth just happened, why have WOW-girl's posts vanished? Is there a glitch in the matrix?
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I think he made some comments that were construed as racist on another thread.
(I don't think he meant them to be but his English let him down)

My guess is he got introduced to the Ban Hammer.
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Into the memory hole. So it goes.
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He has been removed from the board. I was getting too many complaints and the English isn't my first language excuse doesn't hold water with me. There are plenty of users here who do not speak English as their first language yet they are able to communicate without sounding insulting and negative. He was already banned once.
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Well, I'm not going to comment on that decision, but I find it a bit strange that when you remove a user all his posts vanish.
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