Shakeshift wrote: ↑6 years ago
To start with, I'm not friends with Heroine Universe in any way, although we both use many of the same fetish models and he lives fairly close to me.
Now then...
Every producer has their own set of rules they follow. If times are good and the money is rolling in, a producer doesn't have to tolerate time wasters beyond a certain limit.... because literally they don't have time to put up with that. Money talks, and BS walks. If times are leaner, then the courtesy margin is extended ever-so-slightly. The less money you make, the more accommodating you should be as a producer.
There are people who email producers and have absolutely no interest in getting a custom, they just want to talk about it... and talk about it.... and talk about it. The only way you can have a conversation is if both people decide to have it. If one person decides that none of this is worth the time and the effort, I fully support anyone who breaks contact and says, "This discussion is over. I'm sure someone else can fulfill your custom request. Goodbye." -- At that point, you're done talking. People may consider that rude to break off contact, but I would opine that it's up to the other person to define what constitutes as a "waste of time." In the same way that Cracker Barrel tells you to either buy some food or get off of their rocking chairs and stop eating all of their free candy in the glass bowl by the cash register, I respect the right of producers to not humor EVERYONE who says they're a paying customer. Some of them simply... aren't.
Most fetish producers have a 3-email rule for new customers. After the third and final email, you either order the custom or you pay $50 to keep the email exchange going. At that point most people who have no intention of getting a custom are "cut off" and start to complain. I fully support this rule, as it separates the important grain from the useless chaff. If you can't say your idea in three emails or less, you're not to be taken seriously.
There is a published "private" page on Facebook and also on the internet where fetish producers go to talk and share information about
time bandits, shitpotters, dickensians, and yoyoboys. There is even a database where everyone can compare
modus operandi, fetish interests, and price quotes so that producers can stay well-informed of problem people in the customs industry. It's sort of like a forum for industry players to keep abreast of problem customers. I also believe there's a VERY long entry in there for "Doctor Outcome" (among other aliases) so yes, feel free to passive-aggressively complain on a forum board about being cut off by a fetish producer.
Shakeshift, you’re one of many producers that I admire and respect and I have a feeling this rant has touched a ‘nerve’ in you. So in the words of Indiana Jones:
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Seriously, please know that it wasn’t my intention to paint myself in a ‘negative’ light but based on what you’ve said it looks like I’m already on the sh*t list. But if that’s the price that one must pay for being a committed fan to this industry, then so be it. I’ll take the scrapes that come with being a ‘problem customer’ if that’s what it takes to be heard. But I also want to set the record straight on something so nothing gets misinterpreted:
I didn’t get cut off, *the people* who emailed me did. I’ve never ordered a custom from H.U., I’ve purchased the material that he displays in his clips4sale store nothing more. Plus, the newcomer who was trying to have his custom idea created had money and was all set and ready to pay upfront to have his idea created but they got tired of playing the 'waiting game' for a response and had to email the webmaster consistently just to make sure they didn’t miss getting on the ‘shoot’ list for customs (cause once that happens, it's all downhill from there). Then his idea was just flat-out denied because it seemed too ‘storylike’ (I’m still trying to figure out what a script being ‘storylike’ has to do with anything). His idea was only a page and a half with little dialogue, so that should have been pretty simple to create.
Now, at most, I’ll admit that I was out of line on this post (but I did warn that in advance) and I fully respect your rules and any other producer’s rules so long as the reasons are legit (and the reasons you’ve given are). Based on what Mighty Hypnotic and TieNTeez have said, producers are under a lot of pressure and don’t have time to waste with people who don’t take things seriously. I can roll with that, I respect that, I feel that. Producers shouldn't have their time wasted, period.
However, I still stand by my assessment on ‘mutual respect’ and while I’m all about the producers and the performers, I’m also all about the fans too. Their desires and dreams are what keep this industry going and I feel that's what's most important. Most times, they don’t mean to waste the producer’s time and there are a number of reasons why that happens:
-Customer has trouble suggesting the right performer for the job (some models don’t live in the same vicinity as others or some have retired.) Some newcomers are unaware that certain performers have or on the verge of retiring from the industry and for some, that may be a tough pill to swallow if they've enjoyed seeing that particular person perform.
-Insufficient funds (this is the biggest problem some fans face as some production companies may charge more than others and the customer may be on a budget and have to make what they have in their pocket work for their idea). If somebody demands something for free, yeah, then you can tell them to ‘kiss off’ or ‘piss off’ (whichever makes the producer or fetish performer feel good). But while I don’t believe in getting something for nothing, I do believe that as long as the fan can pay and they've kept the custom short, sweet and simple, their idea deserves a chance as long as their budget can allow it to be done. Most times, there are miscellaneous costs that the customer isn't aware of (cameraman, editing, etc.)
-The customer gets cold feet. (This happens from time to time as there have been stories of people ripping folks off. While it doesn’t just happen to the fans, it happens to the producer too as TieNTeez pointed out). So in a way, the fan needs some assurance that once the money exchanges hands that they’re going to get what they pay for and the producer needs assurance that the fan isn’t going to screw them over. But in the end, both sides are taking a chance which is why some people like Cali have an absolute 'all sales are final rule' which is a good method for producers to implement to avoid getting screwed.
Shakeshift, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I felt bad for the person whose idea got rejected and I just had to speak out on their behalf. I know this explanation doesn’t condone my earlier actions (and I don't expect it to) but…I hope it does explain to you and anyone else what I feel, how I feel and why I’m feeling it. The producer had a chance to make things right with this person and didn't exactly take the opportunity to do that and I just felt bad for the customer because they got 'turned away' when the life raft was at capacity. Plus, the H.U. moderator is someone I've admired for years and to hear about this just kinda had me in shock and awe.
Long story short, if the producer and the fan are going to make things personal for each other, it should be personal in a good way…not a bad one. As long as they have a mutual understanding of each other’s expectations, then it’s all good in da’ superheroine hood.
'Underestimate your enemy in battle, odds are, you won't live to see another one'
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