DR Who Oct 7th

[lionbadger]

yeah, but the average person is chinese

[shevek]

yeah, but the average person is chinese

yes, lionbadger, and the average chinese person has a pejorative term for the so-called Western "regressive" left.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo

Here's a video I just saw about recent Doctor Who ratings being affected by the high PC content of the show. Your mileage may vary.

[Dazzle1]

First I did not do this video.

but it echos most of my complaints.

Although I disagree about Calpadi, worst doctor ever.

Whittaker needs BBC to buy out Chibnal and get rid of him

[lionbadger]

yes, lionbadger, and the average chinese person has a pejorative term for the so-called Western "regressive" left.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo

The regressive left..........

.........as described by an actual communist dictatorship that rounds up people and re educates them in camps

I probably would have aligned with someone else as the voice of reasonableness

[shevek]

yes, lionbadger, and the average chinese person has a pejorative term for the so-called Western "regressive" left.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo

The regressive left..........

.........as described by an actual communist dictatorship that rounds up people and re educates them in camps

I probably would have aligned with someone else as the voice of reasonableness

Good try, Lionbadger, and I don't like China's re-education camps (for Muslim Uygurs, for Christians, for Falun Gong etc) any more than you do, but it's not the Chinese government that coined the term Baizuo. It's the prosperous middle-class Chinese youngsters on the Shangai East Coast benefiting from the state-controlled explosion of capitalism there. They know how hypocritical and myopic the Western far-left is, always talking about social justice and singing praises of socialism and communism in their pursuit of destroying the West, but never acknowledging once anything (either good *or* bad) going on in Asia because much of it simply doesn't fit into their Oppression Olympics paradigm.

[Dogfish]

The Dr Who ratings thing is crazy. Literally every season has a dip after the launch and it's doing better than most. I guess some folks won't be happy until the Dr turns back into a man, appoints a couple of strippers as his assistants and helps the Nazis win WW2.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-who ... whittaker/

[Dazzle1]

The Dr Who ratings thing is crazy. Literally every season has a dip after the launch and it's doing better than most. I guess some folks won't be happy until the Dr turns back into a man, appoints a couple of strippers as his assistants and helps the Nazis win WW2.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-who ... whittaker/

Some maybe

But if you had Whittaker doing Tennnat type stories or Tom Baker type stories

BTW I want intelligent capable companions , New Who had 1: Martha Jones

[Dogfish]

Yeah I agree on the companion thing. New-Who seems to be a sort of tour guide, the companions are useful and generally capable, but I miss the likes of Ace and Leela who had agency on their own and things they wanted to do.

The stories have changed with New-Who because they are shorter, but I don't think they are as different as people think. Everybody seems to have this recollection of the Dr as some sort of edgy intergalactic swashbuckler but he's always been an asexual mostly-pacifist nerd with a healthy disrespect for authority.

Either way the new season is the most successful since the reboot and it's not even started doing a big plot arc yet, so it should do fine.

[lionbadger]

Good try, Lionbadger, and I don't like China's re-education camps (for Muslim Uygurs, for Christians, for Falun Gong etc) any more than you do, but it's not the Chinese government that coined the term Baizuo. It's the prosperous middle-class Chinese youngsters on the Shangai East Coast benefiting from the state-controlled explosion of capitalism there.

It's not capitalism if it is state controlled.

I imagine that posting anything on wechat that contradicts the party line probably doesn't bode well for keeping that prosperous middle class status.

Just look at the test they ran in Sweden to see if they could push social media for example.

[shevek]

Sorry Lionbadger but there is definitely such a thing as state-controlled capitalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

China embodies it, and the huge prosperous middle class is making
the money from it. And a lot of that is being invested in the United States. So of course the Chinese don't like the politics of the "white left" but they like their money just fine. You just can't say anything bad about the government or promote competing ideologies like Islamic fundamentalism, Falun Gong, or, uh, Western-style democracy and freedom..or you'll get Tiananmen Square'd.

I'm not sure what you're talking about re a "test" in Sweden (any links?) but the situation in the UK with repression on social media is getting bad enough, according to what I'm seeing from here. If that's been exaggerated, you're welcome to say so.

[saxman314]

Social justice mantea is just as bigoted White Supermacist

QFT. Sick and tired of all the bigoted SJWs shooting up black churches, trying to shoot up black churches but gunning down random black couples when they fail, shooting up synagogues, mailing bombs, etc. in the last three weeks. It's getting out of hand. We definitely have a bigoted SJW problem in this country, although I'm sure there are fine people on both sides. Should prolly build a wall, though, and take credit for our predecessor's economy while fomenting hate and violence. That'll fix the SJW problem so we can get back to a peaceful world where white men are properly respected and shown their due deference. MAGA

[Dazzle1]

Social justice mantea is just as bigoted White Supermacist

QFT. Sick and tired of all the bigoted SJWs shooting up black churches, trying to shoot up black churches but gunning down random black couples when they fail, shooting up synagogues, mailing bombs, etc. in the last three weeks. It's getting out of hand. We definitely have a bigoted SJW problem in this country, although I'm sure there are fine people on both sides. Should prolly build a wall, though, and take credit for our predecessor's economy while fomenting hate and violence. That'll fix the SJW problem so we can get back to a peaceful world where white men are properly respected and shown their due deference. MAGA

Sick of the SJW shooting up a Synogouge in PA, sick of SJW abusing and attacking conservative in restaurants, sick of Antifa committing terrorism, sick of the Dems approving it

[Femina]

'Regressive left' is just a sensationalist nonsense term probably coined by the same circle of morons that thought 'Social Justice Warrior' were good words to string together as an insult. No such thing actually exists any more than the overzealous religious 'Inquisitorial right' exists. Individuals on the left may be regressive, individuals on the right are oppressive, greedy and money grubbing... oh and regressive as well. What could BE more regressive than wanting to regress back to the 'good ol days' when everything was run by the people that were running it and nobody bothered to speak out against it? That wasn't better, it was just EASIER for a few people.

All this 'lets go baaaack' nonsense is just that... it's nonsense. There's nothing BETTER 'back then', its just different bullshit. Worry about making tomorrow better, not reminiscing on the nonexistent glory of the past and we can all stop worrying about 'regressive' this and that.

[saxman314]

Social justice mantea is just as bigoted White Supermacist

QFT. Sick and tired of all the bigoted SJWs shooting up black churches, trying to shoot up black churches but gunning down random black couples when they fail, shooting up synagogues, mailing bombs, etc. in the last three weeks. It's getting out of hand. We definitely have a bigoted SJW problem in this country, although I'm sure there are fine people on both sides. Should prolly build a wall, though, and take credit for our predecessor's economy while fomenting hate and violence. That'll fix the SJW problem so we can get back to a peaceful world where white men are properly respected and shown their due deference. MAGA

Sick of the SJW shooting up a Synogouge in PA, sick of SJW abusing and attacking conservative in restaurants, sick of Antifa committing terrorism, sick of the Dems approving it

Oh god, you really think that shooting up a Synagogue is social justice? You're too lost to talk to. You need therapy.

[Dazzle1]

Social justice mantea is just as bigoted White Supermacist

QFT. Sick and tired of all the bigoted SJWs shooting up black churches, trying to shoot up black churches but gunning down random black couples when they fail, shooting up synagogues, mailing bombs, etc. in the last three weeks. It's getting out of hand. We definitely have a bigoted SJW problem in this country, although I'm sure there are fine people on both sides. Should prolly build a wall, though, and take credit for our predecessor's economy while fomenting hate and violence. That'll fix the SJW problem so we can get back to a peaceful world where white men are properly respected and shown their due deference. MAGA

Sick of the SJW shooting up a Synogouge in PA, sick of SJW abusing and attacking conservative in restaurants, sick of Antifa committing terrorism, sick of the Dems approving it

Oh god, you really think that shooting up a Synagogue is social justice? You're too lost to talk to. You need therapy.

FU, the shooter was an anti Trumper. Almost all anti semites are leftists or islamists. There are only a few on the right

[ivandobsky]

I haven't seen the new Dr Who, but it probably is preachy in a way that would grind my gears. Dr Who has been like that for a while now. The drop in viewers after the 1st episode seems similar to previous series, and seems now on par with the latter end of the last series. If it drops much further, that will be notable, but it hasn't yet.

[Dogfish]

Social justice mantea is just as bigoted White Supermacist

QFT. Sick and tired of all the bigoted SJWs shooting up black churches, trying to shoot up black churches but gunning down random black couples when they fail, shooting up synagogues, mailing bombs, etc. in the last three weeks. It's getting out of hand. We definitely have a bigoted SJW problem in this country, although I'm sure there are fine people on both sides. Should prolly build a wall, though, and take credit for our predecessor's economy while fomenting hate and violence. That'll fix the SJW problem so we can get back to a peaceful world where white men are properly respected and shown their due deference. MAGA

Sick of the SJW shooting up a Synogouge in PA, sick of SJW abusing and attacking conservative in restaurants, sick of Antifa committing terrorism, sick of the Dems approving it

Oh god, you really think that shooting up a Synagogue is social justice? You're too lost to talk to. You need therapy.

FU, the shooter was an anti Trumper. Almost all anti semites are leftists or islamists. There are only a few on the right

You see it's really worrying that you actually seem to believe this. Just in the past couple of weeks you've had a Trump supporter sending out dozens of bombs, one white supremacist a murdered a couple of black people in a shop because he couldn't get into a church, another shot up a synagogue and an incel shoot up a yoga class. And those are just the massacres from the last few weeks. Those are literally terrorist attacks. When somebody starts blowing up NRA meetings (other than the guy negilgently discharging a grenade launcher on the crapper) or driving cars into crowds of white supremacists, then we can talk about left wing terrorism. Which, y'know, can be a thing, but we haven't seen it in the West since the IRA put down the Semtex.

Worth noting by the way that antifa are anti-fascist, there's nothing wrong with that at all. There's nothing whatsoever wrong with slapping the shit out of a fascist. If more people had realised the value of slapping the shit out of fascists in the 1930s we could have skipped having WW2. All power to their righteous fascist-slapping arms I say. They are doing The Lord's work. Anybody with a history book knows the potential consequences of letting fascists wander around the streets like they own the place. Remember, fascists weren't just the guys our grandparents and great grandparents killed during the war, they were the guys our grandparents and great grandparents actively hunted down after the war and hanged. Because they're really bad fucking people. Never again.

Also, Islamism is right wing. It's Saudi backed and the ideology that drives it is conservative as fuck. Turns out that the men in Saudi Arabia with shitloads of money, who like to cut the heads off feminists and gay people, and who sometimes have journalists hacked to pieces in their consolates, these are the same guys who bankroll terrorism. That's why by and large ISIS and similar factions tend to have extremely conservative politics, doing things like killing gay people, treating women like slaves, stuff like that. The Saudis have been backing terrorism for decades, even your guy Trump back before he bought into the GOP line, was pointing out that the Saudis financed 9/11, and that Saudis carried it out. What part of Saudi Arabia do you think is left wing?

And I don't want this to be a big argument, and I don't like making things political, but this kind of ranting about SJWs and stuff is scary, it is the stuff people often come out with before they do something horrific. All three of the killers I referenced were active online, their politics were not secret, they were radical right wing extremists and their talking points would not be unfamiliar, specifically the guy who shot the people in the shop in particular was a comicsgater, man literally went from being upset about black folks in comics to killing people, that's how radicalisation works. It's irresponsible to let this kind of stuff go unchallenged in a community.

[saxman314]

Well... guess I don't have to respond because that ^ says it all.

[Dazzle1]

QFT. Sick and tired of all the bigoted SJWs shooting up black churches, trying to shoot up black churches but gunning down random black couples when they fail, shooting up synagogues, mailing bombs, etc. in the last three weeks. It's getting out of hand. We definitely have a bigoted SJW problem in this country, although I'm sure there are fine people on both sides. Should prolly build a wall, though, and take credit for our predecessor's economy while fomenting hate and violence. That'll fix the SJW problem so we can get back to a peaceful world where white men are properly respected and shown their due deference. MAGA

Sick of the SJW shooting up a Synogouge in PA, sick of SJW abusing and attacking conservative in restaurants, sick of Antifa committing terrorism, sick of the Dems approving it

Oh god, you really think that shooting up a Synagogue is social justice? You're too lost to talk to. You need therapy.

FU, the shooter was an anti Trumper. Almost all anti semites are leftists or islamists. There are only a few on the right

You see it's really worrying that you actually seem to believe this. Just in the past couple of weeks you've had a Trump supporter sending out dozens of bombs, one white supremacist a murdered a couple of black people in a shop because he couldn't get into a church, another shot up a synagogue and an incel shoot up a yoga class. And those are just the massacres from the last few weeks. Those are literally terrorist attacks. When somebody starts blowing up NRA meetings (other than the guy negilgently discharging a grenade launcher on the crapper) or driving cars into crowds of white supremacists, then we can talk about left wing terrorism. Which, y'know, can be a thing, but we haven't seen it in the West since the IRA put down the Semtex.

Worth noting by the way that antifa are anti-fascist, there's nothing wrong with that at all. There's nothing whatsoever wrong with slapping the shit out of a fascist. If more people had realised the value of slapping the shit out of fascists in the 1930s we could have skipped having WW2. All power to their righteous fascist-slapping arms I say. They are doing The Lord's work. Anybody with a history book knows the potential consequences of letting fascists wander around the streets like they own the place. Remember, fascists weren't just the guys our grandparents and great grandparents killed during the war, they were the guys our grandparents and great grandparents actively hunted down after the war and hanged. Because they're really bad fucking people. Never again.

Also, Islamism is right wing. It's Saudi backed and the ideology that drives it is conservative as fuck. Turns out that the men in Saudi Arabia with shitloads of money, who like to cut the heads off feminists and gay people, and who sometimes have journalists hacked to pieces in their consolates, these are the same guys who bankroll terrorism. That's why by and large ISIS and similar factions tend to have extremely conservative politics, doing things like killing gay people, treating women like slaves, stuff like that. The Saudis have been backing terrorism for decades, even your guy Trump back before he bought into the GOP line, was pointing out that the Saudis financed 9/11, and that Saudis carried it out. What part of Saudi Arabia do you think is left wing?

And I don't want this to be a big argument, and I don't like making things political, but this kind of ranting about SJWs and stuff is scary, it is the stuff people often come out with before they do something horrific. All three of the killers I referenced were active online, their politics were not secret, they were radical right wing extremists and their talking points would not be unfamiliar, specifically the guy who shot the people in the shop in particular was a comicsgater, man literally went from being upset about black folks in comics to killing people, that's how radicalisation works. It's irresponsible to let this kind of stuff go unchallenged in a community.

Ranting about the so called alt right is scary

Antifa are the Brown shirt facists despite their claims

Been to a college campus that is where you see anti semitism and terrorist support and it is left wing

Ocasio-cortez and the other SJWs are the one who want to destroy Israel

Iran is the number 1 terror threat in the world and the promoter of islamic terrorism and it is not right wing or left wing.

And despite his many faulta, Trump is far less of a racist than Obama is

[Dogfish]

No Antifa are not brownshirts. They're literal anti-fascists. That's why they have that name. It would be extremely difficult to recruit new members to antifa if they were fascists. People would turn up and be all like, "I'm here to fight fascism" and they'd be like, "Actually we're fascists" and people would go home. It would be a monumentally unsuccessful strategy.

And oh no, there's some fringe radical politics on college campuses, that's new. People are supposed to dip into weird politics in college. Then they graduate and become lawyers and stuff.

Who gives a fuck about Israel? I mean seriously do you think a twenty eight year old bartender decided to oust an incumbent Democrat on a ticket of improving working conditions for her generation so that she could destroy a country of five million people thousands of miles away? Or do you you think maybe she was pissed off about the state of US politics and decided to do something about it personally?

If you want to get into a conversation about whose proxy terrorists are blowing up the most people fair enough, but I'd say it's probably not Iran. There's a lot of contenders. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the USA, the UK, Iran, Syria, Russia, we live in interesting times and there are plenty of folks looking to causes no strings attached explosions.

Trump is an overt and demonstrable racist and that's literally the ticket he ran on. When you take a clear and obvious fact like Trump being more racist than Obama and just flip it, that's when things look odd. It's like a magician telling everybody he just pulled a rabbit out of a hat except we can all see there's no rabbit and there's no hat.

Maybe chill out a bit?

[saxman314]

Anti-fascists are fascists.

Gunning down innocents is social justice.

Obama is racist.

Up is down.

The world is flat.

Right is wrong.

[saxman314]

Who gives a fuck about Israel? I mean seriously do you think a twenty eight year old bartender decided to oust an incumbent Democrat on a ticket of improving working conditions for her generation so that she could destroy a country of five million people thousands of miles away?

I mean... it's not wrong to care about Israel. The right wing in this country, however, cares about it on behalf of the Christian fundamentalist contingent, who believes Israel must be protected at all costs and by any means necessary because A) their enemy is the Arab world, brown-skinned, other-language-speaking, Muslim population that they are, and more importantly to them, B) because Jesus Christ won't return, bringing about the end of the world and final judgement from God until the chosen people are home in Israel. This is one of the conditions for the end of the world, and it's one of the reasons the fundamentalists literally don't care in the least about causing wars, domestic violence, destroying the environment to the point where Earth will essentially become unlivable for the majority of the population, etc. They are attempting to bring about the rapture, the rise of the 7-headed beast, the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse, etc., which they all literally believe to be true.

That social justice, though... so twisted.

[Dazzle1]

Dog Fish :

Antifa by their actions are the Brown Shirts I am sure the Nazis also called themselves not threatening

In regard to Ocasio-Cortez any BDS supporter is a terrorist supporter

The right wing and most of the country including the Democrats care about Israel except the progressive facist left, as should everyone

[Dogfish]

Dog Fish :

Antifa by their actions are the Brown Shirts I am sure the Nazis also called themselves not threatening

In regard to Ocasio-Cortez any BDS supporter is a terrorist supporter

The right wing and most of the country including the Democrats care about Israel except the progressive facist left, as should everyone

The thing with Antifa is that they are performing a public service. They are suppressing fascism. Is it ideal that this needs to be done? No. Ideally there wouldn't be fascists on the streets in the first place. If folks take to the streets with swastikas, with klan hoods, preaching bigotry and hatred, then anybody who takes to the streets to counter them is good people. Antifa are standing up for freedom and the values of western democracy, values older generations fought and died and dropped atomic bombs on people to preserve. This is that same fight.

BDS is fine. People have a right to protest, they have a right not to want to buy Israeli goods while Israel is involved in the brutal suppression of the Palestinians. I mean Israel and Palestine have had beef as long as I've been alive, but the stuff in recent years is next level, and it's almost completely one sided, and people are within their rights to be disgusted by it. I mean it's not like the Palestinians can just leave either,

As for Israel in general, they can look after themselves. It's not an inherently messed up place. It's just got a bag of shit as leader for the time being. I think most of us here know that feeling.

Also, just as an explainer, fascism is a specific set of ideologies. You can't be a leftwing fascist. Which is not to say you can't be violent, intolerant, bigoted and prejudiced on the left, you can be all those things, I mean none of us would have had much fun in Stalin's USSR, but fascism is exclusively a right wing ideology. Fascist is basically the end point of the right wing of the political spectrum, with communist on the other end. It's largely to do with economics, fascism is pro-corporate.

[Dazzle1]

Dog Fish :

Antifa by their actions are the Brown Shirts I am sure the Nazis also called themselves not threatening

In regard to Ocasio-Cortez any BDS supporter is a terrorist supporter

The right wing and most of the country including the Democrats care about Israel except the progressive facist left, as should everyone

The thing with Antifa is that they are performing a public service. They are suppressing fascism. Is it ideal that this needs to be done? No. Ideally there wouldn't be fascists on the streets in the first place. If folks take to the streets with swastikas, with klan hoods, preaching bigotry and hatred, then anybody who takes to the streets to counter them is good people. Antifa are standing up for freedom and the values of western democracy, values older generations fought and died and dropped atomic bombs on people to preserve. This is that same fight.

BDS is fine. People have a right to protest, they have a right not to want to buy Israeli goods while Israel is involved in the brutal suppression of the Palestinians. I mean Israel and Palestine have had beef as long as I've been alive, but the stuff in recent years is next level, and it's almost completely one sided, and people are within their rights to be disgusted by it. I mean it's not like the Palestinians can just leave either,

As for Israel in general, they can look after themselves. It's not an inherently messed up place. It's just got a bag of shit as leader for the time being. I think most of us here know that feeling.

Also, just as an explainer, fascism is a specific set of ideologies. You can't be a leftwing fascist. Which is not to say you can't be violent, intolerant, bigoted and prejudiced on the left, you can be all those things, I mean none of us would have had much fun in Stalin's USSR, but fascism is exclusively a right wing ideology. Fascist is basically the end point of the right wing of the political spectrum, with communist on the other end. It's largely to do with economics, fascism is pro-corporate.

BDS was started by Omar Barghouti part of the Palestinian terror movement it is this century Kristalchallent

Facism is any ideology which promotes a philosophy of justfiable violence to their opponent. They attack people who they disagree including Jews or business conservatives. Ben shapiro being an example They are just as dangerous as the KKK ,BLM or Hamas Netanyahu is a Statesman who has the courage to stand up to Barack Obama a man who kissed Iranian terrorist behinds

[saxman314]

It doesn't matter who starts something, it matters what it is. There is nothing terrorist about boycots, divestments or sanctions. That's literally what you would want something to do as opposed to terrorism. You can't have it both ways: if violence is the bad option, then non-violence is the good option. It seems you view anything that's not total capitulation as terrorism, which is an extremist position. Fascist, even.

Fascism is not "any ideology." It's nationalist authoritarianism. For example, if you lead a country and believe your country should be first in all things, and believe that you should have the right to silence anyone who questions those beliefs, that's nationalism and authoritarianism, aka fascism. See Donald Trump. If, on the other hand, you believe that people with dark skin should not be summarily executed for the crime of being alive, that is humanitarianism. See BLM.

[Dazzle1]

When has Trump imprisoned anyone for attacking him in the press. Name James Rosen under Obama mean anything to you?

BLM is a black supermatcist group who had a member who killed 4 policemen in Texas and encourages killing of police"Pigs in a Blanket"

[Dogfish]

BDS was started by Omar Barghouti part of the Palestinian terror movement it is this century Kristalchallent

Facism is any ideology which promotes a philosophy of justfiable violence to their opponent. They attack people who they disagree including Jews or business conservatives. Ben shapiro being an example They are just as dangerous as the KKK ,BLM or Hamas Netanyahu is a Statesman who has the courage to stand up to Barack Obama a man who kissed Iranian terrorist behinds

Kristalnacht was not a peaceful boycott of businesses in a different country. It was a pogrom against Jews. When you have another one in the USA you'll probably know it. The nearest thing you've had to Kristalnacht in the USA was the events in Greenwood, Tulsa, when hordes of white people torched black owned businesses and murdered hundreds of black folks who owned them with the support of the authorities*.

And no, that's not what fascism is. It's a specific ideology with specific components.

By your rationale all regimes are fascist because all regimes will, at some point, defend themselves with violence. The Allied countries in WW2 didn't become fascist the moment they decided to repel the Germans with violence.

Whoever told you that definition of fascism was lying to you.








*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood ... e_Massacre

[Dazzle1]

BDS was started by Omar Barghouti part of the Palestinian terror movement it is this century Kristalchallent

Facism is any ideology which promotes a philosophy of justfiable violence to their opponent. They attack people who they disagree including Jews or business conservatives. Ben shapiro being an example They are just as dangerous as the KKK ,BLM or Hamas Netanyahu is a Statesman who has the courage to stand up to Barack Obama a man who kissed Iranian terrorist behinds

Kristalnacht was not a peaceful boycott of businesses in a different country. It was a pogrom against Jews. When you have another one in the USA you'll probably know it. The nearest thing you've had to Kristalnacht in the USA was the events in Greenwood, Tulsa, when hordes of white people torched black owned businesses and murdered hundreds of black folks who owned them with the support of the authorities*.

And no, that's not what fascism is. It's a specific ideology with specific components.

By your rationale all regimes are fascist because all regimes will, at some point, defend themselves with violence. The Allied countries in WW2 didn't become fascist the moment they decided to repel the Germans with violence.

Whoever told you that definition of fascism was lying to you.








*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood ... e_Massacre

Wikipedia is a joke, You are not allowed to call Hamas terrorist. The Palestinians and the other islamic war criminals would committ violence but they are cowards when Jews fight back just like Antifa when they try to attack the Proud Boys

[Dogfish]

'You are not allowed to call Hamas terrorists'

It is right there in the first paragraph of the Wikipedia page about them. So you are allowed to call them terrorists, clearly.

'Hamas (Arabic: حماس Ḥamās, an acronym of حركة المقاومة الاسلامية Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah Islamic Resistance Movement) is a Palestinian Sunni-Islamist fundamentalist organization.[9][10] It has a social service wing, Dawah, and a military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. It has been the de facto governing authority of the Gaza Strip since its takeover of that area in 2007.[11][12] During this period it fought several wars with Israel.[13] It is regarded, either in whole or in part, as a terrorist organization by several countries and international organizations, most notably by Israel, the United States and the European Union.[14][15][16] Russia, China, and Turkey are among countries who do not regard it so.'

Wherever or whoever it is you get your news from is lying to you. It doesn't make you a bad person, but at some point you're going to reach a point where so much of what you've been told is wrong that you're basically divorced from reality. And that's not a good place to be. You're going to end up ambling around the streets in a tinfoil hat throwing cats at people or something.

[Dazzle1]

'You are not allowed to call Hamas terrorists'

It is right there in the first paragraph of the Wikipedia page about them. So you are allowed to call them terrorists, clearly.

'Hamas (Arabic: حماس Ḥamās, an acronym of حركة المقاومة الاسلامية Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah Islamic Resistance Movement) is a Palestinian Sunni-Islamist fundamentalist organization.[9][10] It has a social service wing, Dawah, and a military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. It has been the de facto governing authority of the Gaza Strip since its takeover of that area in 2007.[11][12] During this period it fought several wars with Israel.[13] It is regarded, either in whole or in part, as a terrorist organization by several countries and international organizations, most notably by Israel, the United States and the European Union.[14][15][16] Russia, China, and Turkey are among countries who do not regard it so.'

Wherever or whoever it is you get your news from is lying to you. It doesn't make you a bad person, but at some point you're going to reach a point where so much of what you've been told is wrong that you're basically divorced from reality. And that's not a good place to be. You're going to end up ambling around the streets in a tinfoil hat throwing cats at people or something.

Wikipedia minimizes what it is, it is a terrorist group thats it

Just like history doesn't call Al Capone a social worker even though he opened up soup kitchens

[Femina]

Ranting about the so called alt right is scary

Okay... So why then is it NOT scary to rant about the terrifying SJW 'fascist' leftists?

Because from where I'm standing, it just sounds like the same ranting.

[saxman314]

Rosen was investigated for espionage. Trump hasn't been able to lock anyone up for asking questions, but he clearly wants to. He's advocated for making protests illegal, and done everything in his power (and beyond) to silence reporters who ask questions he doesn't like.

BLM is a movement, not a group. Claiming that the actions of one or two crazed individuals reflects on the millions of supporters for the movement is asinine. Nice shoutout to the Proud Boys, though. Are those your people?

[Dazzle1]

Rosen was investigated for espionage. Trump hasn't been able to lock anyone up for asking questions, but he clearly wants to. He's advocated for making protests illegal, and done everything in his power (and beyond) to silence reporters who ask questions he doesn't like.

BLM is a movement, not a group. Claiming that the actions of one or two crazed individuals reflects on the millions of supporters for the movement is asinine. Nice shoutout to the Proud Boys, though. Are those your people?

Rosen was investigated by the corrupt Obama administration as political persecution as they did with the IRS

BLM is a hate group like the KKK or NBP.

Not a Proud Boy but unlike the antifa Brown shirts I would not have to worry about them violently blocking me if I went to a store selling Jewish goods or attacking me if I wore a MAGA hat(which I don't)

[Dazzle1]

Ranting about the so called alt right is scary

Okay... So why then is it NOT scary to rant about the terrifying SJW 'fascist' leftists?

Because from where I'm standing, it just sounds like the same ranting.

Feminia google Antifa violence and see them attack press and others and commit vandalism

Than check out Proud Boys or Tea Party

[saxman314]

Rosen was investigated by the corrupt Obama administration as political persecution as they did with the IRS

BLM is a hate group like the KKK or NBP.

Not a Proud Boy but unlike the antifa Brown shirts I would not have to worry about them violently blocking me if I went to a store selling Jewish goods or attacking me if I wore a MAGA hat(which I don't)

Hmm... your premises make a lot of big asks, but there are no receipts. If the Obama administration was so corrupt, where are the indictments? He was in office for 8 years, so there was plenty of time to dig up dirt and take people to court. It's not like the Senate wouldn't have jumped at any opportunity... how much time and money did they throw at trying to smear Hillary for the Benghazi fiasco? Compare to the current administration... 26 indictments and 6 guilty pleas so far.

There is a BLM group which has arisen out of the BLM movement, but they are not the same thing. Also, the BLM group does not commit hate crimes. Some isolated affiliates of the BLM movement at large have advocated for violent action or committed violence, sort of like a Trump rally, but unlike a Trump rally, there is no central figure or central body that is advocating for hate. The core ideology is one of equality, which is very obviously distinct from the core ideology of the KKK, the Proud Boys, NBP etc.

Of course YOU wouldn't have to worry about getting beaten by the Proud Boys for wearing a MAGA hat. You'd have to worry if you were brown-skinned and spoke up for your rights. That is their raison d'etre.

Maybe you miss this distinction: the fundamental ideology of a group defines their purpose. If an individual or a few go off and do something counter to that purpose, i.e. a march protesting yet another police murder of a black man, woman or child, that doesn't change the ideology or purpose of the group. On the other hand, if violent oppression is part of the group's ideology, i.e. the KKK or Donald Trump, then when an individual shoots up a church for the Klan or attacks a protester because Mango Mussolini told him he'd cover the legal fees, that's not someone acting outside the group's mission. It's someone carrying out the mission. Therefore, ALL the people who endorse that mission are complicit. They see that violent oppression is part of the game-plan, and they're all for it. That's why the Proud Boys aren't gonna attack someone over a MAGA hat... the MAGA hat represents exactly what they're about.

An easy way to evaluate the core ideology of a group is just to imagine the group's "perfect world" scenario and judge the morality of that. If the BLM movement gets its way, an oppressed population will stop being murdered. If the neo-Nazis get their way, everyone besides their Aryan chosen will fall to genocide. That's why punching a protester at a Black Lives Matter protest is morally reprehensible, and punching a neo-Nazi is your ethical (not to mention patriotic) responsibility.

[Dazzle1]

Feminia

Holder was found in contempt of congress Lois Lerner was found in contempt of congress.

As far as the MAGA hat which is not racist, I could also wear a socialist hat past the Proud boys to

I am against Neo Nazis and Antifa despite their claim are Neo Nazi facists. And that is why defending yourself against Antifa or a BLM member is no different than standing up to a KKK member
All three ideologies are hate of the other

The difference is use excuse leftist hate which is far bigger problem than right because the right condemns all hate while the left excuses it on the left. witness the violence and property damage after the legal win by Trump, which I might point out did not happen when Obama won.

[Femina]

That's great and all... but I'm not talking about specific 'sects' within the 'fascist left' or even the 'alt right' I asked 'How is ranting about the Alt Right dangerous while ranting about the 'fascist left' isn't? I can 'point' at specific 'alt right' organizations that are definitively dangerous... that doesn't make ALL 'alt right' organizations dangerous necessarily... nor does the existence of Antifa indicate that its therefore safe to rant about the 'fascist left'.

RANTING is ranting. It's not dangerous to rant about anything because ranting is just making noise... and very rarely with much by way of definitive facts about the thing you are ranting about since things said in anger (despite what some old adages about the truth of things said in anger may indicate) are usually just whatever one can say to most hurt the thing they are angry about... sod the truth.

[saxman314]

Antifa is a catchall term, not a group. You're making more hasty generalizations.

The Proud Boys are an organization built on racial violence, not a passion for an economic system. They see the MAGA hat as a symbol of allegiance, for all the reasons I clearly laid out for you and which you ignored since they dismantled your argument. They won't attack you for being socialist. They'll attack you for being brown skinned and standing up for your rights. If you fail to see how that is not a positive ideology, you are broken.

You saw protests against Trump and not for Obama because Trump is reviled by the majority of the population while Obama was the best and most beloved president in living memory.

Neither the left nor the right excuses random acts of wanton destruction when they are occasionally perpetrated by people claiming to align with anti-fascist groups. Obviously attacking neo-Nazis is desirable, but breaking down store fronts is not. On the other hand, it seems that when the great hordes riot en masse after sports victories or losses and sets cities on fire, it is widely excused. The difference in terminology between peaceful black protesters, aka "thugs/savages" and white revelers flipping over cars, burning couches, pulling down traffic lights and throwing people to their deaths out of windows, aka "celebrations getting a little out of hand" is stark. Clearly your premise is flawed. Neither side of the political spectrum is a monolith, and neither side's centrist mainstream advocates for wanton destruction. Unfortunately, the right wing has been steadily marching toward the fringe, and that accelerated to a sprint during the presidential campaign, and the president they (the minority) elected does hold violence against dissenters as a core value. He has said as much many times.

So, in closing, "leftist hate" is not the problem you think it is. It pops up in isolated incidents involving individuals or fringe groups. While hate speech or hate crimes cannot be tolerated regardless of which "side" the criminal advocates, the foundation upon which the hate is built is starkly different for the left and the right. The discontentment on the left is reactionary: in response to oppressive ideologies and institutions, vs the hate coming from the right and the so-called "alt-right," which is directed at people because of ethnic background, skin color, language, country of origin, gender, sexual orientation, etc. It's not comparing apples and oranges to put "discontentment" on the left next to "hate" from the right, because right-wing hate is now endorsed by the entire right-wing establishment.

The right wing has literally stolen control of the executive branch (gerrymandering), stolen control of the judicial branch (gerrymandered Senate refusing to interview the Obama nominee), and stolen a sizable portion of the Senate (gerrymandering). In electing Trump, they've allowed "right-wing hate" to co-opt their party. Continuing a tradition of terrorism, violence and oppression (bombing of black Wall Street, the MOVE bombing, KKK, racial discrimination in housing, etc.), the POTUS calls for violence at his rallies and endorses white supremacists, calling them "very fine people" and inviting them onto his staff to shape policy (Stephen Miller). Right wing hate is therefore a bigger problem than left wing hate because left wing hate is on the fringe, not endorsed by the majority of the left (which is the majority of the country), whereas right wing hate is mainstream. QED

[Dazzle1]

Been away

so here are my thoughts on Kablam and Witchfinders

Kablam was along with the 2nd episode the best so far. Obviously this company was intergalatic Amazon and they have to take the requisite dig at the white male authority figure. But it was well written and the villian was a surprise. All 3 companions had something to do.

Witchfinders was another bad historical one, until they can accept the fact that in the historical eras;it was a white male dominated society. Wrong headed but a fact. That is why if you want to do historic, model it after Talons of Weng Chiang, Masque of Mandroga or Black Orchid.

Notes

the Doctor is relying too much phony ID card. Yes other Doctors use the sonic screwdriver but that is a constant.

Why is it taking her so long to master the TARDIS and how does KABLAM get through the vortex and penetrate the TARDIS

Side note I was visiting my mother at Senior Living, 80 year old wearing a Doctor Who sweatshirt ,fan back to Hartnell?

[Femina]

Just a tidbit Mr. Saxman. Attacking neo-nazi's is not desirable... unless you don't mean physically xD. Even attacking neo-nazi politics is not 'desirable' its just necessary to prevent proto-nazi politics from becoming 'the government' or even just influential in politics, it'd be better if we all could just get along, we just can't.

[tallyho]

Ok my bad, I hadnt followed this thread as I dont watch Who since Russell T ruined it, and ya know I thought this was a thread about Dr Who.
And here we are bringing up all kindsa stuff.

Just cool it on the politics people. And remember Custers famous last words-
'Aaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhh!'

Thats not particularly relevant but, hey ho.

[Femina]

Let's be honest here people... if bubble wrap was weaponized we would all be dead.

[Dazzle1]

Watched the last episode the Battle of Rankoona ( I am not apologizing for spelling)

This was the best episode of the season.

The villain from the first episode Tlchar comes back and has gained power through two powerful beings who think he is a god. They have a morality play with Graham that actualy lets him do something.
They have a gust star Captain Peliax who is the first white male guest treated in a respectful manner, I would like to see him join the Doctor instead of her three current companions

Overall Whittaker is good and the scatterbrain meandering is going to be her quirk
Most of the stories this year were too PC , the three that were not were the best ones: Ghost mounment, Kablam and Rankoona
they need to have at least one less companion, Yaz does not do much in most of the episodes
For some reason they are not having anything new other than specials till 2020

[Dogfish]

Apparently there are lots of potentially good reasons why it's taking an entire year between seasons, a lot of it to do with how hard it is to shoot Dr Who relative to other shows (every episode is essentially a standalone feature with an almost entirely different cast, in TV production terms thats a bit of a nightmare). Nobody seems to be saying why it's taking so long though. Feels like a missed opportunity, the show was building some good momentum and it feels like they're going to lose some of that. You can't hang about with a kid's show after all, a year to a kid is fricking ages.

[Visitor]

British TV shows are done differently than in the US with fewer episodes per season and sometimes much longer in between them. Modern Dr. Who uses more elaborate sets and CGI special effects so that is one factor on taking longer to record.

You also can have trouble with actor availability which happened with Sherlock with both leads being in several movies as main characters or having major support roles.

[shevek]

Held back as long as I could on posting this, as I had no interest in plunging into the middle of a discussion
about Hamas (spoiler: I don't like them.) But here we go:

Dr Who Rotten Tomatoes score. 94% critics 30% audience
Aquaman score 64% critics 82% audience
Star Trek Discovery score 82% critics 55% audience

Now, granted, this isn't true for every single series, so you can't make any absolute generalizations.

Titans score 82% critics 81% audience

But I would imagine you'd still want to be pretty wary of what critics say about an entertainment product at this point,
given the strongly shill nature of the Internet media especially.

[Dazzle1]

I have seen the videos on Rotten Tomatoes and the so called critics are not sci-fi experts or people who usually review scif or entertainment and they almost all come from the extreme left publications or media

no Sky, No Fox News or even CNN

My new rant is that BBC America is running a marathon week of DW, but no Classic.

Many fans have never seen Tom Baker or Sarah Jane in her prime or Roger Delgado's Master

Held back as long as I could on posting this, as I had no interest in plunging into the middle of a discussion
about Hamas (spoiler: I don't like them.) But here we go:

Dr Who Rotten Tomatoes score. 94% critics 30% audience
Aquaman score 64% critics 82% audience
Star Trek Discovery score 82% critics 55% audience

Now, granted, this isn't true for every single series, so you can't make any absolute generalizations.

Titans score 82% critics 81% audience

But I would imagine you'd still want to be pretty wary of what critics say about an entertainment product at this point,
given the strongly shill nature of the Internet media especially.

[tallyho]

I have seen the videos on Rotten Tomatoes and the so called critics are not sci-fi experts or people who usually review scif or entertainment and they almost all come from the extreme left publications or media

no Sky, No Fox News or even CNN

My new rant is that BBC America is running a marathon week of DW, but no Classic.

Many fans have never seen Tom Baker or Sarah Jane in her prime or Roger Delgado's Master.

Nor Nicola Bryant's tits in that tight blue top

But on the plus side, they never saw Sylvester McCoy, Bonnie Langford and whoever the hell it was who played Teagan, so swings and roundabouts , eh.

[Dogfish]

What is this weird obsession people have with somehow proving a TV show is bad by bombing the reviews?

The critics liked the current Dr Who, a larger audience than usual enjoyed it, and it's been renewed. Outraged idiots spiking the reviews on metacritic don't change anything. And why are they even trying?

It's the She-Ra thing all over again.

I can understand that for these spectacularly weird folks on Youtube, this is an issue. It has to be an issue, that's their job. These people are literal outrage farmers. They plant the outrage, they nuture the outrage, they harvest the outrage via clicks and hits and merch or whatever. What baffles me though is why people subscribe to it.

They are basically conspiracy theorists except they've picked an insanely trivial hill to die on.

"No really you guys! This kids TV show that none of us have to watch anyway is ACTUALLY BAD!"