shevek wrote: ↑4 months ago
spikeeagle2 wrote: ↑4 months ago
So you are the "
Heroin"eburgh guy. We joke about how she can get the organiser to approve the name being displayed. "Heroin" lol - I know when she explains it's from Pittsburgh which make sense, but I am pretty sure a lot of us Sydney-sider are not going to get the meaning of that and was thinking what I was thinking.....that probably hurt her sales.......
Anyway, yeah, she is the one I saw (was not going to name drop her as I don't usually do advertising) I don't know she had an account here, which is strange as I has been on this forum for quite a few years on and off and did not see her post anywhere. But yes, she is still producing, she has a Patreon pages which is where I get her stuff from monthly, her last release is Agent Caracal 18 in November and before that it's some kind of princess shoot (where a few girls dress in princess gown, gloves and tiara) and do sword fights. I reckon she is still doing okay otherwise she wouldn't be able to push out monthly content.
But now that you had said it, it's kind of strange, because I would have expected her to promote her vids on here if not Heroine Movie. She wasn't on either, was thinking she didn't know both and it's not my business to say anything so I didn't think of it highly, but now that you mentioned it, it's kind of strange not to promote in both, as they are very genre specific. She also is missing from any con since the last time I saw her before COVID, I went 22 and 23 and she wasn't there both.
Maybe I will send her an email and ask her why?
Anyway, I am one of the folks that stop and sat on those chairs for probably 10 minutes watching your video. No offence, but I really don't get it. I mean, you are doing what she is doing, which is like extremely low budget mainstream stuff (not a knock but that's what I see) I get it she can't produce anything fetish-y or she will get into all kind of trouble, why you are doing the same thing when you are in the US?? Your video are good and I would buy them if there are more fetish element in them, but IMO you need a lot more fetish element to get people to buy it. But then I am not here to judge, you probably have your own reason for it, I just don't understand.
Anyway, nice talking to you
Hey Spike-
Nice to make your acquintance as well, and I'm glad that SHIP is such a small world that you were able to literally sit down and watch 10 minutes of Heroineburgh videos created on the other side of the globe! This connection alone makes it worth the money we spent collabing with Ava - no regrets! And yes I can take your questions just fine, as long as you don't mind me answering back.
Yes, Ava posted on this Forum for quite a while as "AvaHeinz". Apparently she hasn't posted anything here in two years, but if she is continuing to do 'heroine' content that is great, and I'm glad you are a loyal fan. Good to hear she is doing alright, because I know she had some setbacks the last time she and I had an email communication. As to why she doesn't currently promote on SHF and HM (and SWM too, why not? as long as it's girl power), I don't know. Cons, however, I can easily explain: they are expensive, and probably don't yield the results she wants, anyway. I vend at a lot of Cons, and you have to have physical products there to sell (like comics and T-shirts) - if you don't, there's not much point being there.
As for whether her sales 'suffered' because she collaborated with someone named 'Heroin[e]burgh' at the Con, I very much doubt it. The word 'Heroine' and 'Superheroine' appears in dozens of properties (films, comics etc), and the fanbase of superheroes is of course very familiar with the term. It's in the very name of the two forums SHF and HM! If someone thinks about 'Heroin' when seeing the term (and yes, I encounter this) it's because 1) they don't know how to spell, and 2) their mind already tends to thinking about heroin/drugs in some way or another. Maybe they should watch a few less episodes of Breaking Bad. More 'heroine movies' and less 'heroin movies'
As far as I'm concerned, though, if it makes them stop and think about the meaning of the term 'heroine' long enough to hear our pitch about the series at a vendor booth, it's as good as any other 'hook' that I would use to get their attention.
As to why we are PG-13, there are several reasons for this which I do not care to enumerate. But I must emphasize that we do *not* do the 'same thing' that Ava does. Our universe is extremely well-developed and elaborate, and in that sense, we do not take after the 'fetish video' scene (many of whom are incredible producers but do not have the same universe complexity) but rather after other PG-13 or Light R series which contain many fetish elements - for example, Bill Black's Fem Force/Nightveil Media movies, George Perez's Sisterhood of Superheroines, the Logan Cross productions, and now-defunct video series such as Heroes of the North, Super Femmes, and New PHX. And not only that, but all the classics from Adam West and Lynda Carter down to Black Scorpion and Xena. We also produce regular comic books and have a very public face at many Comicons, something which no similar series has done for quite a while (although Perez and Mighty Hypnotic did it a few times back in the day).
I must emphasize that we are not primarily a 'fetish series' (which is why are not on C4S, for example) but we do have lots of 'fetish elements', which are quite evident in the episodes, and we have a fanbase that enjoys it and even orders customs which fit within our aesthetic (mostly PG-13, but we've done one R custom too). Most importantly, we are SHIP. In fact, we are both SHIP and girl power. I'm sorry if this is something that purists from both sides can't handle, but our influences are primarily from the 70s through the 90s, and in those time periods, you saw both approaches in equal measures: the important thing was to put beautiful and powerful women front and center - sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, but they always look great doing it.
So, Spike, it's totally up to you if you want to check out our stuff or not, but I just wanted to let you know that regardless, I really appreciate the time you took to sit down and watch our episodes in Ava's little 'theater' at Supernova Con. I'm happy to communicate by PM if you want to ask more question in a private setting. Thanks again!
[And sorry to divert the discussion away from the title of the thread a bit, but Spike mentioned the producer in Australia, so I wanted to respond. Yes, the SHIP 'Golden Age' has passed, but as far as I'm concerned, we are in a SHIP 'Iron Age'...just like with comic books!]
Hi Shevek
First of all, thank you for your response. I would like to open this post by saying, nothing I said is personal, and I only see 10 minutes or so of your movie, I hardly can be qualified to critic your work, I don't think I know enough to comment it. As I said before, I am not here to judge, I just say what I see.
As for Ava, seriously, I don't know why she wasn't on any of the platform, in fact, I tried to look her up in most other forum and discord, unless she is using other handle, there aren't anyone like her posting any content on her work, but she is still active on her own patreon and I would imagine she is active with her webpage as she keep updating it, which make me wonder did the Australian Government get to her? Because while her stuff is tame, the law here is quite strict and pornographic industry virtually does not exist here, and internet censorship is quite strong in this county, so what she was doing may not even be considered acceptable here even if it was nothing comparing to other fetish producer. I have sent her an email and asked her about this, and she has yet to respond.
On the other hand, she had also told me in our former communication and through her Patreon that she had some sort of production problem during COVID (well, I mean who didn't have issue during COVID), but she had not talked about it since, and her production schedule are quite solid, she largely kept to a promised a movie a month, yes, sometime she switch up a bit and some time it is a few days late, but I would say her delivery of those production is okay, I mean unless she is taking people money on her website and not sending them their film or custom, which I wouldn't know, otherwise as her Patreon, I am quite satisfy her production
About Con in Australia, Australia is a small place, well, it is as big as the US but as a country we are small, so people don't get to group together that much at the same time, which is why we only have around 10 con a year versus hundred in the US. And most of the people go to con is about anime, movie or pop culture, I am not sure what is the SHIP population in Australia, but if I have to guess, that is not much. Ava did told me in one of her email saying she hates going to con because people don't really appreciate this genre and most of them are there to just hit at cosplayer or as she put it, her actress, twice.
Anyway, people here wouldn't necessarily familiar with the entire superheroine or heroine theme, and that is going to come up if you open a store with that name on it, of course hurting her business is a joke, but still this is probably different for you in the US and for us here in Oz.
And finally, as I said, you must have your own reason to not to position yourself as a fetish movie, I just don't understand why, that's just an observation, not a statement, but the reason why I said your film are like Ava 's is because both aren't gear toward Fetish customer, but with some niche fetish element in it, but then as far as for me, this wouldn't do and that's why I don't think Ava is making any money on this.
I don't think disagreement on this (what producer produce vs what customer wanted) is any good, as there are nothing to disagree on, I mean, you as a producer, your produce your own product as per your own production philosophy, if you don't want to produce fetish stuff, that is up to you, I shouldn't say anything, likewise, my taste is my taste, and I will simply skip the production I am not interested and don't buy them, this is how this genre should go. Instead we have 20 pages discussion on whether or not something was too sexual, or exploiting women or anything people want to argue, I am old, in the old days, when you don't like what's on TV, you just don't watch, change the channel, go outside play in the backyard, you do what you have to do, just because you don't like something does not mean it has no value for its own existence, but today? If someone don't like what's on TV, they force themselves to watch it, and then bitch about it and try to make an argument as to whether or not it should exist. That is true to all the leftist-rightist TV program, and that is also true to the so called woke Hollywood superheroine universe, I mean if this offend you (Not you but people in general) that much, why watch them to begin with, just go do something else, instead people just want to argue with everything.
If you ask me, this is what killing this industry. Not sure if this make sense.
That's it for me, nice talking to you Shevek
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