Do you want to see Defeated Heroines?!?!

[Mr. X]

As for fan films, they tend to be tolerated by copyright holders for one reason or another. (Probably because it looks bad for large corporations to go after enthusiastic fans.) However, that doesn't alter the fact that DC Comics could stamp out Batgirl Spoiled and every other DC fan film tomorrow.

Ok so if its tolerated when a vendor flat out puts supergirl in a video TO SELL IT TO MAKE MONEY USING THE NAME then why not assume its tolerated when someone uses a music track from a movie in a video? What is the difference between the Supergirl logo, name, identity and mythos vs a song? why is the song so bad but an entire character, costume, look and logo are not?

[swampy170]

3) EVEN IF I, or my editors, who have been strictly informed NOT to use anything BUT the music from the site I provided, DID use the theme to the Matrix or Woody Woodpecker, the bottom line is that the trailer is not for sale so I am not violating any copyright laws. And as someone who has been working with copyrights and trademarks heavily in the last year, I am sure NOT to do so.

4) I actually hope I am wrong and my editor DID use a portion of the Inception soundtrack. I honestly don't care enough to ask because again, I'm selling the film, not the trailer. Fan films everywhere use copyrighted music… and that's okay-- if you know how the law works. If he DID, then I'm sure he thought the same thing I just stated-- people aren't paying for the trailer, so who cares? And you're right, I won't change it.

It's a commonly known thing that "royalty free" music sites sometimes rip parts or all of their compositions from the scores used for mainstream pictures. In the heat of the moment this is EXTREMELY easy to overlook.

I've edited as part of a commercial team and almost every other track on certain sites contains copywrited content - complete minefield!


It's not right about the copyrighted stuff! What you're saying is: So as long as I'm not selling anything piracy is fine - but if so that'd make torrenting content legal.

It's just not so - you can't use copyrighted music however you want.


Not saying you guys are complicit - just perhaps be willing to accept you might potentially be in the wrong?

[DefeatedHeroines]

As for fan films, they tend to be tolerated by copyright holders for one reason or another. (Probably because it looks bad for large corporations to go after enthusiastic fans.) However, that doesn't alter the fact that DC Comics could stamp out Batgirl Spoiled and every other DC fan film tomorrow.

Ok so if its tolerated when a vendor flat out puts supergirl in a video TO SELL IT TO MAKE MONEY USING THE NAME then why not assume its tolerated when someone uses a music track from a movie in a video? What is the difference between the Supergirl logo, name, identity and mythos vs a song? why is the song so bad but an entire character, costume, look and logo are not?

I don't think this thing will ever end lol

[theScribbler]

@DefeatedHeroines = Logan Cross: Nor should it end, this is very interesting discussion to me.

@All: To those that don't care about this, well, why post that you don't care? I can't for the life of me ever remember posting in some thread I didn't care about, to let people in the thread know I didn't care about what they were talking about! To each their own tho, post all you want, here, there, and everywhere. But this forum has other fantastic threads to enjoy, so enjoy those too, or instead of this one.

As for fan films, they tend to be tolerated by copyright holders for one reason or another. (Probably because it looks bad for large corporations to go after enthusiastic fans.) However, that doesn't alter the fact that DC Comics could stamp out Batgirl Spoiled and every other DC fan film tomorrow.

Ok so if its tolerated when a vendor flat out puts supergirl in a video TO SELL IT TO MAKE MONEY USING THE NAME then why not assume its tolerated when someone uses a music track from a movie in a video? What is the difference between the Supergirl logo, name, identity and mythos vs a song? why is the song so bad but an entire character, costume, look and logo are not?

Cause it's not the same thing: making a parody with your own people and resources and distributing that with your own permission v.s. a direct rip of another's copyrighted work and distributing that without permission (even if grouped, combined, or mixed with content that is yours).

And this violated copyrighted work doesn't have to be music. If someone makes a Ms. Americana parody video, and prints a huge poster of one of your Ms. Americana works of art (your copyright), puts it on set, and this poster image appears in the video, they just violated your copyright if they didn't get your permission to use your art. You could sue with a good case: because of the M.A. poster, and you could win. If they shoot the same exact video without the M.A. poster, you could still sue, but you'd probably lose, unless you could somehow make the case that the video is not a parody.

I actually think this parody law get-out-of-jail free card is kind of not fair. I kinda wish DC would win a case and get some income from their copyrighted works being parodied. (I'm guessing lots here disagree with that.) But like I said before, DC seems gunshy to even try. Of course, that didn't stop them from the cease and desist they used on SHC. Maybe cause it was 2003 or 2004 and a bit less SH adult content being made than now. I dunno.

So say Joe Smith buys the Supergirl movie with Helen Slater, rips it or part of it, and posts it on youTube. Or he rips a track from INCEPTION and posts it on youTube. Or he posts a number of Ms. Americana comic pages distributing them on the web somewhere, maybe a slide show on youTube. Then the following absolutely applies...

"FBI ANTI-PIRACY WARNING: The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this copyrighted work is illegal. Criminal copyright infringement INCLUDING INFRINGEMENT WITHOUT MONETARY GAIN, is investigated by the FBI and is punishable by up to 5 years in federal prison AND a fine of $250,000."

For a Supergirl or Wonder Woman parody, the above warning doesn't apply.

Now, of course, we know lots of people are posting all kinds of copyrighted stuff that's not theirs, and without permission, on youtube, and not going to jail for up to 5 years and paying a fine of $250,000. Probably cause the FBI can't investigate everybody!

When I say lots of people, I don't mean lots of movie and media production companies, as in actual businesses. Obviously I know of one (HL), and I'm sure there are others, but my guess is most abide by the law. Cause they care about being honest businesses, care about their brand and the name they are making for themselves. And respect other people's intellectual property.

More later.

[Heroine Addict]

As for fan films, they tend to be tolerated by copyright holders for one reason or another. (Probably because it looks bad for large corporations to go after enthusiastic fans.) However, that doesn't alter the fact that DC Comics could stamp out Batgirl Spoiled and every other DC fan film tomorrow.

Ok so if its tolerated when a vendor flat out puts supergirl in a video TO SELL IT TO MAKE MONEY USING THE NAME then why not assume its tolerated when someone uses a music track from a movie in a video? What is the difference between the Supergirl logo, name, identity and mythos vs a song?

Let's take a look at Axel Braun for a moment. That guy pushes the definition of parody to its very limit, using copyrighted characters (such as Bruce Wayne / Batman) and imitating the original costumes, props and sets in meticulous detail. Yet even he shies away from re-using music from the original soundtrack.

While someone like Weird Al Yankovic can easily knock out "hilarious" parodies of well-known songs, it's pretty difficult to parody an orchestral score in a way that's suitably transformative.

why is the song so bad but an entire character, costume, look and logo are not?

I don't believe degrees of "badness" come into it. The bottom line is that published music is very well protected.

[Mr. X]

Cause it's not the same thing: making a parody with your own people and resources and distributing that with your own permission v.s. a direct rip of another's copyrighted work and distributing that without permission (even if grouped, combined, or mixed with content that is yours).

The producers are DIRECTLY profiting from the Supergirl logo, name, identity etc. The vendor MAKES MONEY. That is not a parody like College Humor who may use Batman in a video but in no way makes money off it. They are directly using a character NAMED SUPERGIRL with THE SUPERGIRL COSTUME, LOGO, IDENTITY to MAKE MONEY.

Supergirl used in a video for the express purpose of making money - that's OK?
Music used in a promotional video - That's wrong?

Sorry but its you applying the double standard. If the vendor is wrong for using copyrighted music then EVERY producer who uses Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Batgirl is wrong for profiting. They are NOT making movies for free. They are making them FOR PROFIT. You are apply a double standard.

And this violated copyrighted work doesn't have to be music. If someone makes a Ms. Americana parody video, and prints a huge poster of one of your Ms. Americana works of art (your copyright), puts it on set, and this poster image appears in the video, they just violated your copyright if they didn't get your permission to use your art. You could sue with a good case: because of the M.A. poster, and you could win. If they shoot the same exact video without the M.A. poster, you could still sue, but you'd probably lose, unless you could somehow make the case that the video is not a parody.

Again the same standard applies to every vendor using Supergirl/Batgirl etc. They never got permission and they are making these videos for the express purpose of making money. YES making an Americana movie without my permission TO MAKE MONEY is the same exact violation as using SUPERGIRL etc.

Let's take a look at Axel Braun for a moment. That guy pushes the definition of parody to its very limit, using copyrighted characters (such as Bruce Wayne / Batman) and imitating the original costumes, props and sets in meticulous detail. Yet even he shies away from re-using music from the original soundtrack.

Don't know the guy. Does his parodies make money? Does he sell them? If he sells them then yes he deserves the same ridicule for using stolen material as Logan got for using that music.

I don't believe degrees of "badness" come into it. The bottom line is that published music is very well protected.

Again a double standard. So is Supergirl/Batgirl protected by DC and Warner. I should know. One of our videos got pulled cause DC lawyers contacted us.


The fact is its pretty nasty to chew out Logan for using some music in a promotional video complaining about him using the music in an indirect way to profit and NOT that its a parody YET the SAME PEOPLE who complain dismiss the use of Supergirl, Batgirl etc in videos that are EXPRESSLY MADE FOR PROFIT. Again this is hypocrisy. If Logan is wrong then so is every producer who has used any copyrighted character TO PROFIT. I most certainly CANNOT produce a 400 page Wonder Woman comic on my site and sell it and I cannot plaster her pic all over my web site to draw people in.

[sugarcoater]

I think people post that they don't care about a topic when the subject of the entire conversation is changed to something that does not (or barely does) connect to the original intent of the conversation. As this was about helping a new site start things up, a discussion about copyright laws seems to me quite a bit off topic. Even if it relates to music in the background of a trailer, that point might be resolved with a few posts and then followed up with emails if necessary. Seems like it's turned into a pissing contest now. Some of the points were interesting, but now this thread is just about copyright issues. But when people post that they don't care about the topic, my guess is that they are trying to encourage a return to the original topic for which this thread was created.
I have been interested in some of the information, but why not just move this conversation to another topic? Start a new topic in regard to copyright issues. If nothing else, I would imagine new and potential producers would find it useful in avoiding any potential legal issues.
Just a thought.

[Heroine Addict]

Let's take a look at Axel Braun for a moment. That guy pushes the definition of parody to its very limit, using copyrighted characters (such as Bruce Wayne / Batman) and imitating the original costumes, props and sets in meticulous detail. Yet even he shies away from re-using music from the original soundtrack.

Don't know the guy. Does his parodies make money? Does he sell them? If he sells them then yes he deserves the same ridicule for using stolen material as Logan got for using that music.

I don't believe degrees of "badness" come into it. The bottom line is that published music is very well protected.

Again a double standard. So is Supergirl/Batgirl protected by DC and Warner. I should know. One of our videos got pulled cause DC lawyers contacted us.


The fact is its pretty nasty to chew out Logan for using some music in a promotional video complaining about him using the music in an indirect way to profit and NOT that its a parody YET the SAME PEOPLE who complain dismiss the use of Supergirl, Batgirl etc in videos that are EXPRESSLY MADE FOR PROFIT. Again this is hypocrisy. If Logan is wrong then so is every producer who has used any copyrighted character TO PROFIT. I most certainly CANNOT produce a 400 page Wonder Woman comic on my site and sell it and I cannot plaster her pic all over my web site to draw people in.

Axel's parodies make a lot of money. But even he's not bold enough to use the original music of John Williams, Nelson Riddle and Hans Zimmer.

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Have you tried doing a Wonder Woman parody in recent years? A lot of people seem to be getting away with "porn parodies" these days.

To be honest, I'm very surprised the "porn parody" loophole hasn't been closed yet. It seems guaranteed to provoke a legal backlash from deep-pocketed giants such as Disney and Warner Bros.

[Mr. X]

I think its pretty disingenuous to attack Logan when so many others violate copyrights to make money then to further dismiss those violations as OK or parodies. It was pretty rude just to chew up one guy for something pretty much the majority of producers are doing. If one is so concerned about profiting off music then they should be more outraged about someone profiting off logos, costumes, look and feel and obvious use of copyrighted characters for profit.

[Heroine Addict]

I think its pretty disingenuous to attack Logan when so many others violate copyrights to make money then to further dismiss those violations as OK or parodies. It was pretty rude just to chew up one guy for something pretty much the majority of producers are doing. If one is so concerned about profiting off music then they should be more outraged about someone profiting off logos, costumes, look and feel and obvious use of copyrighted characters for profit.

From a moral point of view, there's no difference. From a legal point of view, using copyright music without permission is illegal while making a very authentic "porn parody" is perfectly legal. (Until Disney or WB decide they've had enough.)

For clarification, I have not been particularly critical of Logan's use of the Inception soundtrack in his trailer. I was merely pointing out that he was wrong to claim it's legal to use copyright music in a "not for sale" trailer for a video which obviously is for sale. Instead of responding with a cogent counter-point, he chose to attack me.

[Mr. X]

From a moral point of view, there's no difference. From a legal point of view, using copyright music without permission is illegal while making a very authentic "porn parody" is perfectly legal. (Until Disney or WB decide they've had enough.)

That's bunk. BOTH are illegal. Its just Disney has not pursued these people yet BUT NEITHER has the author of the music. So again a double standard. Its OK as long as no one pursues you? Well I see no legal entity pursuing Logan so that makes his use legal.

And these fetish videos are not porn parodies. They are straight up uses of the character JUST LIKE the music is a straight up usage of the music.

I think its unfair Logan got attacked for his use of music when there are so many others using direct rip offs to profit. The harshness in attacking him was uncalled for. Claims of him being a liar, shoving proof in his face, hijacking his thread... then magically that righteousness all goes away when its shown people are directly using copyrighted characters. Where's all that outrage now? No wonder the guy was so damn defensive.

[Henchman]

His site will feature original variations of your favorite Heroines. He is open to ideas and suggestions as I am. Most importantly, the new site is PERIL-focused, rather than being fight-focused. There will be fights, but the PERIL is where he wants to focus.

Logan

This sounds promising - good luck with the new venture.

A good place to start would be borrowing Logan's three dentist chairs and strapping some lovely young ladies into them for an extended brainwashing/torturing/de-powering/trial/experimentation/gassing* scene.


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[DefeatedHeroines]

His site will feature original variations of your favorite Heroines. He is open to ideas and suggestions as I am. Most importantly, the new site is PERIL-focused, rather than being fight-focused. There will be fights, but the PERIL is where he wants to focus.

Logan

This sounds promising - good luck with the new venture.

A good place to start would be borrowing Logan's three dentist chairs and strapping some lovely young ladies into them for an extended brainwashing/torturing/de-powering/trial/experimentation/gassing* scene.


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I'm not deleting anything, that sounds awesome!! You mean from his Agent Files thing right? I think he said he was going to try and see if he can get me one of his locations… maybe that will be one. All up to the owners because of the content I guess… We'll see. Do you have any more ideas with the chairs??

[DefeatedHeroines]

From a moral point of view, there's no difference. From a legal point of view, using copyright music without permission is illegal while making a very authentic "porn parody" is perfectly legal. (Until Disney or WB decide they've had enough.)

That's bunk. BOTH are illegal. Its just Disney has not pursued these people yet BUT NEITHER has the author of the music. So again a double standard. Its OK as long as no one pursues you? Well I see no legal entity pursuing Logan so that makes his use legal.

And these fetish videos are not porn parodies. They are straight up uses of the character JUST LIKE the music is a straight up usage of the music.

I think its unfair Logan got attacked for his use of music when there are so many others using direct rip offs to profit. The harshness in attacking him was uncalled for. Claims of him being a liar, shoving proof in his face, hijacking his thread... then magically that righteousness all goes away when its shown people are directly using copyrighted characters. Where's all that outrage now? No wonder the guy was so damn defensive.

Hey thanks for sticking up for Logan. Even though he does tend to get a little defensive over stuff lol I told him to chill out... he hasn't written anything else lately so I'm hoping he takes my advice. The kid just takes attacks too personally I think. But since you're on the boards here, do you have any suggestions of stuff you like to see that maybe no one ever does?

[DefeatedHeroines]

Rouge would be cool as she never shows up in SHIP.

Also though would be cool to see her do a storyline or something as a baddie or under baddie control, using her power draining on another heroine.

I agree. I like power-stealing too which she can do… oh, the possibilities are endless with this!!

[kingles]

@DefeatedHeroines = Logan Cross: Nor should it end, this is very interesting discussion to me.

I must admit that I'm not overly interested in copyright law...but I find LIBEL very interesting. Do you have any proof whatsoever of this claim?

Just curious. Whether this specific claim is true or not isn't particularly important to me. As far as I'm concerned I'd actually have more confidence in this venture if I knew Logan was helming it, because I know he does good work. A new guy? Can't be as sure about(no offense intended DH, but it's true).

However, some people might be put off by this claim and it could cause trouble for HL, DH, or both. I kind of gather that this is the purpose behind all this stuff anyway. Of course, I could be wrong about that, so I'm willing to keep an open mind.

[rayman]

I think once you get some "real" photos up on here nad the website things wil start to snowball.
How about a sneak peek of your talent for te first movie?

[DefeatedHeroines]

I think once you get some "real" photos up on here nad the website things wil start to snowball.
How about a sneak peek of your talent for te first movie?

I agree. We are still casting for the first movie and also setting up our own model management company… But as soon as I have something good for everyone to see, I'll put it up here!!!

[kingles]

I think its unfair Logan got attacked for his use of music when there are so many others using direct rip offs to profit. The harshness in attacking him was uncalled for. Claims of him being a liar, shoving proof in his face, hijacking his thread... then magically that righteousness all goes away when its shown people are directly using copyrighted characters. Where's all that outrage now? No wonder the guy was so damn defensive.

Logan has said before that he doesn't make the trailers. He APPROVES them, but he doesn't MAKE them. So the trailer was scored by his editor. Now if I got that trailer back from an editor...there is no possible way I would've recognized that music as IDENTICAL to the music from "Inception". I would certainly understand if Logan didn't.

As Truman said, "The buck stops here.". Ultimately Logan is responsible for what is put out under the HL brand, including the music. Still, I no way believe that he was being willfully deceitful about it. Was he wrong about it? Yes. Is he ultimately responsible? Yes. Was he lying about it? I don't think so.

The attacking nature of the replies written to Logan here were way off base. A friendly notification of the facts, with proof, at the beginning of this whole thing would've worked wonders. Oh well...

[kingles]

His site will feature original variations of your favorite Heroines. He is open to ideas and suggestions as I am. Most importantly, the new site is PERIL-focused, rather than being fight-focused. There will be fights, but the PERIL is where he wants to focus.

Logan

This sounds promising - good luck with the new venture.

A good place to start would be borrowing Logan's three dentist chairs and strapping some lovely young ladies into them for an extended brainwashing/torturing/de-powering/trial/experimentation/gassing* scene.


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I'm not deleting anything, that sounds awesome!! You mean from his Agent Files thing right? I think he said he was going to try and see if he can get me one of his locations… maybe that will be one. All up to the owners because of the content I guess… We'll see. Do you have any more ideas with the chairs??

Especially brainwashing. Yes...wash those pure, innocent, heroine-y thoughts right out of their heads and replace them with impure, wicked thoughts!

[DefeatedHeroines]

Especially brainwashing. Yes...wash those pure, innocent, heroine-y thoughts right out of their heads and replace them with impure, wicked thoughts!

YESSSSSSSSS!!!

[RedMountain]

I think its unfair Logan got attacked for his use of music when there are so many others using direct rip offs to profit. The harshness in attacking him was uncalled for. Claims of him being a liar, shoving proof in his face, hijacking his thread... then magically that righteousness all goes away when its shown people are directly using copyrighted characters. Where's all that outrage now? No wonder the guy was so damn defensive.

Logan has said before that he doesn't make the trailers. He APPROVES them, but he doesn't MAKE them. So the trailer was scored by his editor. Now if I got that trailer back from an editor...there is no possible way I would've recognized that music as IDENTICAL to the music from "Inception". I would certainly understand if Logan didn't.

As Truman said, "The buck stops here.". Ultimately Logan is responsible for what is put out under the HL brand, including the music. Still, I no way believe that he was being willfully deceitful about it. Was he wrong about it? Yes. Is he ultimately responsible? Yes. Was he lying about it? I don't think so.

The attacking nature of the replies written to Logan here were way off base. A friendly notification of the facts, with proof, at the beginning of this whole thing would've worked wonders. Oh well...

Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, are you telling me you wouldn't straight away flat out recognize the lightsaber sound that they use in just about every trailer or video intro?

[DrObiCaffi]

We'll see. Do you have any more ideas with the chairs??

I would like to see a heroine experimented on. I mentioned this before but there is a scene in the NBC show HEROES where Sylar has control over Claire. She is laying on a table (not bound unfortunately) but he has her head sliced open and she is just twitching on a coffee table staring off to nowhere. All she can do is wonder what the hell he is doing to her. Maybe move that experiment below the belt. A heroine is strapped in that chair and is being operated on by a villain and she is just staring at the ceiling twitching wondering what the hell is being done to her. A tear drips down her cheek but she is calm in her helpless state. Maybe he is stealing her powers, or infecting her with a virus, or just killing her slowly.

I also thought it could be hot to have a villain transform a heroine. A girl is bound to a table, then all of the sudden a Tentacle tears out of her costume. She screams as she stares at this tentacle thinking, "Oh my god, did this just come out of me? What the hell is happening to me?" Kind of like nightmare on Elm Street 4 when Freddy turns that chick into a bug. Don't know why that is hot to me but it is. lol.

[kingles]

I think its unfair Logan got attacked for his use of music when there are so many others using direct rip offs to profit. The harshness in attacking him was uncalled for. Claims of him being a liar, shoving proof in his face, hijacking his thread... then magically that righteousness all goes away when its shown people are directly using copyrighted characters. Where's all that outrage now? No wonder the guy was so damn defensive.

Logan has said before that he doesn't make the trailers. He APPROVES them, but he doesn't MAKE them. So the trailer was scored by his editor. Now if I got that trailer back from an editor...there is no possible way I would've recognized that music as IDENTICAL to the music from "Inception". I would certainly understand if Logan didn't.

As Truman said, "The buck stops here.". Ultimately Logan is responsible for what is put out under the HL brand, including the music. Still, I no way believe that he was being willfully deceitful about it. Was he wrong about it? Yes. Is he ultimately responsible? Yes. Was he lying about it? I don't think so.

The attacking nature of the replies written to Logan here were way off base. A friendly notification of the facts, with proof, at the beginning of this whole thing would've worked wonders. Oh well...

Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, are you telling me you wouldn't straight away flat out recognize the lightsaber sound that they use in just about every trailer or video intro?

I am in no way saying that. I'm specifically referring to the "Inception" music in the "Transition to Darkness 1" trailer.

In fact, I'm not making any moral claims about Logan one way or the other. I trust his ability to make really good SHiP videos implicitly. I've never had any issues with him, and he seems like a pretty good guy based on our limited interaction. Beyond that I cannot say anything with certainty.

So I'm not saying that I KNOW for certain that Logan is morally incapable of deliberately using the music from "Inception" in his trailer, or anything like that. Rather that based upon the information I have...I find it quite unlikely that he knew the music was from "Inception". Therefore, I have no reason to believe he was lying about that...and that all claims that anybody KNOWS he was lying about it are spurious...at best. Further, the introduction of these spurious claims rendered constructive conversation that might've served the interests of the copyright holder(which I thought was supposed to be the point of all this)...impossible.

[Henchman]

I'm not deleting anything, that sounds awesome!! You mean from his Agent Files thing right? I think he said he was going to try and see if he can get me one of his locations… maybe that will be one. All up to the owners because of the content I guess… We'll see. Do you have any more ideas with the chairs??

Yes, Agent Case Files 5. The film was mostly fighting but worth it just for the five minutes or so of this scene after they got captured by the female android fighty robot character -



The badguys used the mind control collars just to make the heroines do more fighting which was a massive missed opportunity in my view. They could have been in the chairs being converted (ever so slowly) into more android fighty robots. Or just plain brainwashed slaves like this scene from a mainstream show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj1bF6mnBaE (except without the cloning bit, and if we got to see a longer cut of the "process").

The salient point being, peril should be more imaginative then just tying the heroine AOH and carrying on the beating.

EDIT - forgot to mention - they really should have been strapped into those chairs for added effect. Note, not ropes - any villain worth his salt will have been properly prepared with decent equipment for his evil laboratory.

[DefeatedHeroines]

I'm not deleting anything, that sounds awesome!! You mean from his Agent Files thing right? I think he said he was going to try and see if he can get me one of his locations… maybe that will be one. All up to the owners because of the content I guess… We'll see. Do you have any more ideas with the chairs??

Yes, Agent Case Files 5. The film was mostly fighting but worth it just for the five minutes or so of this scene after they got captured by the female android fighty robot character -



The badguys used the mind control collars just to make the heroines do more fighting which was a massive missed opportunity in my view. They could have been in the chairs being converted (ever so slowly) into more android fighty robots. Or just plain brainwashed slaves like this scene from a mainstream show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj1bF6mnBaE (except without the cloning bit, and if we got to see a longer cut of the "process").

The salient point being, peril should be more imaginative then just tying the heroine AOH and carrying on the beating.

EDIT - forgot to mention - they really should have been strapped into those chairs for added effect. Note, not ropes - any villain worth his salt will have been properly prepared with decent equipment for his evil laboratory.

He sent me the video so I got a chance to see what you guys meant… I guess he was looking to please the wrestling/low blow/fighting/PG fans more than the direct peril audience… I love his site to be honest with you, but mine isn't going to be like his. He's just going to help me with costumes, story ideas that he couldn't do since his actresses work for mainstream TV, and securing locations and whatnot… I know it's all talk right now but we are working hard to get everything up and running so we can film the first video!!

I want to thank everyone who contributed a little to helping me get started on my homepage… the donation link is still there if anyone is interested… I hate asking for money, but I'm just eager to get this going and these girls aren't cheap lol ok, back to recruiting and finishing contracts and all that jazz <---- I freakin LOVE this emoticon thing!!! Of course, to me, it's like a robot ninja turtle which is BRILLIANT!

[Presidus]

The salient point being, peril should be more imaginative then just tying the heroine AOH and carrying on the beating.

This 1000 times!!!

[DrObiCaffi]

The salient point being, peril should be more imaginative then just tying the heroine AOH and carrying on the beating.

WELL FRIGGIN' SAID!!! It seems like this is all we get now!

[DefeatedHeroines]

The salient point being, peril should be more imaginative then just tying the heroine AOH and carrying on the beating.

WELL FRIGGIN' SAID!!! It seems like this is all we get now!

I'm going to change that. Keep the ideas coming in and I will spawn off new ones. I don't like copying, but I'll capture the essences of the same types of scenarios!! And queue my favorite emoticon:

[ds22]

I'm a huge Rogue fan, I'd love to see her get knocked out and face some peril.
I'd especially like to see her take on someone bigger who can really manhandle her.
They could pick her up and ko her with a hangman or backbreaker/torturerack, something that leaves her limp and dangling, with her back arched, and mouth hanging open.
I also like unconscious arm carries and body manipulation.

I think she's long overdue, I have yet to see any good videos of her with a well done costume.

I'd love to see Rogue, especially in a torn costume.

[rayman]

The salient point being, peril should be more imaginative then just tying the heroine AOH and carrying on the beating.

WELL FRIGGIN' SAID!!! It seems like this is all we get now!

Damn right!!!!

I am a massive belly punching fan but even I want more varied peril situations.

And I don't think of porn as peril, okay the peril can be intensified using sex but the strapping down and bringing to orgasm ha sbeen done to death and back.

I was just thinking the ultimate peril is death and the it struck me.....IS the reason why the Batman tv series was so popula rin peril genres the fact that the characters were essentially "easy" to kill so were i terrible peril daily?

[Henchman]

Don't get me wrong - I wasn't knocking that Agents film from Heroine Legends. I actually really enjoyed it and as I mentioned it was worth it just for the scene with the chairs. I was well aware it would be mostly fighting because Logan caters for his audience and that's fine. It was just frustrating for me that there was a brilliant set, props and everything in place that could have been used for a really top notch peril scene.

I agree with Rayman's point too - please leave the vibrators at home in the bedroom where they belong. Surely our Evil Genius can come up with more diabolical things to do to a captive than, er, making sure shes having a good time.

[DefeatedHeroines]

Because I'm not only starting up a Superheroine site, but an entire Adult Entertainment company, I'd like to hear your fetishes. I'm sure I'll hear foot fetish or spanking, etc but it would be really could for people to expand on that and let me know what you like inside AND outside of the Superheroine market!

We have a brand new, Los Angeles-based talent management company starting up alongside everything, so we will have our own girls for calendar shoots, fetish shoots, and other projects! We have an awesome business plan set up and we can't wait to show you everything!

Anyway, let me know and I'll try and interact with everyone and get things going on the right foot!! Oh yeah, here's my favorite emoticon again: !!

[DefeatedHeroines]

Don't get me wrong - I wasn't knocking that Agents film from Heroine Legends. I actually really enjoyed it and as I mentioned it was worth it just for the scene with the chairs. I was well aware it would be mostly fighting because Logan caters for his audience and that's fine. It was just frustrating for me that there was a brilliant set, props and everything in place that could have been used for a really top notch peril scene.

I agree with Rayman's point too - please leave the vibrators at home in the bedroom where they belong. Surely our Evil Genius can come up with more diabolical things to do to a captive than, er, making sure shes having a good time.

I understand completely, no worries. I don't think anyone is gonna take that as an attack. I do know that his style and market are not at all the same as mine, so hopefully what you felt was lacking there, you'll find in my videos (Emoticon Overuse Happening Now)

[DrObiCaffi]

-Woman in old fashioned clothes. Like late 1800s early 1900s. Women seemed so prim and proper then. Nice to see them taken advantage of in those old dresses. Maybe even a minute or two of the vid could be in black or white.

-Women in work clothes bound and tortured. Something like oh say a woman kidnapped in a business suit (pantyhose and all of course) strapped to a rack and stretched. Maybe banged on the rack after a little torture.

-Woman in dresses/skirts and hose soaked with their clothes still on. Bound while wet or banged while wet. Keep most of the clothes on though! All the wet fetish vids i see are just girls dancing around like idiots in pools, showers or beaches. Not hot. Bang 'em or torture 'em while they are wet! Leave the hose on but take the shoes off, so hot to see the hose/tights/leggings hang off the feet just a touch.

[ZoraxTard]

Heroines with torn dirty costumes. Mud, slime, grease, cum, the works!

League of Amazing Women over at C4S has a great video called "Tales of Tiedville: All Good Things"
This is one of my favorite western superheroine fetish videos which involves Wonder Woman staring out all proud and confident. She soon gets captured and the majority of the video is of her going though weeks of captive interrogation. Each scene fades to the "next day" where WW's costume gets a little bit more dirty and her will and defiance slowly erode until she breaks mentally in total defeat.

I'd love to see a whole series like this with various superheroines like Electra Woman undergoing the same brutal ordeal to be eventually broken and humiliated. Also having battle scenes where the heroine gets beaten and dragged around in wet and dirty locations like a mud pit. It's great to see a heroine's noble costumes get put through the ringer.

[kingles]

Yes, Agent Case Files 5. The film was mostly fighting but worth it just for the five minutes or so of this scene after they got captured by the female android fighty robot character -



The badguys used the mind control collars just to make the heroines do more fighting which was a massive missed opportunity in my view. They could have been in the chairs being converted (ever so slowly) into more android fighty robots. Or just plain brainwashed slaves like this scene from a mainstream show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj1bF6mnBaE (except without the cloning bit, and if we got to see a longer cut of the "process").

The salient point being, peril should be more imaginative then just tying the heroine AOH and carrying on the beating.

EDIT - forgot to mention - they really should have been strapped into those chairs for added effect. Note, not ropes - any villain worth his salt will have been properly prepared with decent equipment for his evil laboratory.

I didn't have a problem with the heroines being made to fight each other. While it doesn't really seem to be the optimal thing for a villain to make MC'd heroines do, it did seem fitting for this particular villain.

The primary issue I had with the MC scenario in AF5, is the heroines never actually know that they are going to be MC'd. I'd prefer for them to be 'awake' before being MC'd, so that I could enjoy their...anxiety...over their impending loss of control. Your idea about restraining them to the chairs would've come in very handy in that scenario.

I remember that episode of Mutant X fondly. I do agree it would've been hotter if it had been the 'originals' being controlled instead of the 'clones'. It was still hot though.

[valugi]

Particularly I really like Leotard, especially those that highlight the curve of the actress as well, such as Bluebird NGC OR Ms.Marvel in comics

Particularly I prefer when the heroine wins, but I like her to suffer in the hands of villains, both physically and sexually, the villain can play with the heroine's breasts, squeezing her nipples, like to see this kind of attack by heroin weak until maybe an orgasm when the villain thinks the heroine being defeated she recovers and manages to win

Another issue is that I prefer women Villain

[Slone]

Plots where the defeat of the Superheroine isn't shown by a KO or death, but instead by the villain systematically breaking the Superheroine's will, by punishment and the tempation of pleasure, converting her from a strong, confident heroine into a broken, submissive slave of the villain.

[Ripper1]

Mine isn't so much a Fetish idea, but a concept that isn't done to often & for good reason, one it become very cold for the actresses, to there is a higher danger level, mainly because it involves water, but what is something that I have always wanted to see was not so much a drowning of the heroine but a suggestive aspect of this peril.
example, the old Water Windmill torture aspect. Of course the expense of such a prop would be big, but that is where digital effects might take that aspect to reality lol.

Just a thought since you are asking about Fetish ideas

Cheers & good luck in your future Endevours

[Henchman]

The primary issue I had with the MC scenario in AF5, is the heroines never actually know that they are going to be MC'd. I'd prefer for them to be 'awake' before being MC'd, so that I could enjoy their...anxiety...over their impending loss of control. Your idea about restraining them to the chairs would've come in very handy in that scenario.

Yes, you've hit the nail right bang on the head there - it's the heroines reaction (and anxiety) that is the attraction of these scenes - for me anyway.

[DefeatedHeroines]

Excited to show you guys the peril!!!!

[harriertalon]

Fetishes I enjoy watching:

- Partners. From Batman & Robin to Electra Woman & Dyna Girl, I love the idea of the older, more experienced crimefighter teamed up with a younger, more brash and headstrong, partner. Even with O-Girl and Nylonika, where it isn't necessarily age or inexperience, the dynamic of two powerful heroines struggling, talking to each other as they try to figure a way out of a deathtrap, or the less experienced partner doing something that becomes the undoing of the duo (tripping a trap, getting mind controlled by the villain to help catch her partner, etc.) The important thing is to have the younger partner practically idol-worship the other hero, like Wonder Girl to Wonder Woman, to the point where it's almost doubly crushing for them when they fail them.

- Humiliation. If it were as easy as knocking them out and putting a bullet in them, we wouldn't have this fetish at all, would we? No, the fun of it isn't just defeating the heroine, but utterly humiliating her. There are of course steps to this - first the heroine must be haughty and brag about how the villain can't possibly win (fists on hips pose works well here). Next, of course, they fail, get knocked out, fall under mind control, etc. Then the real fun begins - they're forced to dress up as a sexy maid and serve their enemy, or do a strip tease of their costume in front of a group of baddies, or make out with their partner (see above) while the bad guys continue doing whatever they were doing around them, or, of course, vibrator play until they orgasm. The point is to shame them. Things were going so well until they blew it.

- Deathtraps - the more elaborate (and ridiculous) the better. This is no doubt a holdover from my Batman 66 days. There were few things hotter than seeing the Dynamic Duo strapped to spinning turbines, or a giant BBQ, or massive rooftop grills. Or Electra Woman and Dyna Girl, hypnotized and forced to walk to a high ledge and jump off. Or O-Girl and Nylonika struggling against ever-tightening wires that threatened to cut them into pieces. The only thing here is I want them to get out of their predicament, relatively unscathed. Not into snuff or anything like that, but if I can get a real sense that things could have gone much worse for the heroine...more's the better!

- Mind Control - doesn't matter how you go about it, just remove all free will from your heroine and you have my attention. Turn them into slaves, living dolls, criminals, nymphomaniacs...doesn't matter. I love the idea that so much power was so easily overthrown and is now being used in a manner the original owner would never approve of.

- Clothing - I want a heroine's costume to look like some effort was put into it. Even if it's a simple tights and leotard setup (like EW&DG) accent it with boots and gloves and possibly a mask and cape. Logos on the chest don't hurt either. I love seeing stockings or tights or hose on heroines as well, but it depends on what you're going for. For example, if you're doing Supergirl-type characters...they don't need hose. Give them a nice skirt that blows up at all the wrong times. If you're doing something more along the lines of Wonder Woman, though, hose might work to give her legs more of a shine.

Whew! Didn't mean to be so long-winded. Hope some of this helps.

[DefeatedHeroines]

Fetishes I enjoy watching:

- Partners. From Batman & Robin to Electra Woman & Dyna Girl, I love the idea of the older, more experienced crimefighter teamed up with a younger, more brash and headstrong, partner. Even with O-Girl and Nylonika, where it isn't necessarily age or inexperience, the dynamic of two powerful heroines struggling, talking to each other as they try to figure a way out of a deathtrap, or the less experienced partner doing something that becomes the undoing of the duo (tripping a trap, getting mind controlled by the villain to help catch her partner, etc.) The important thing is to have the younger partner practically idol-worship the other hero, like Wonder Girl to Wonder Woman, to the point where it's almost doubly crushing for them when they fail them.

- Humiliation. If it were as easy as knocking them out and putting a bullet in them, we wouldn't have this fetish at all, would we? No, the fun of it isn't just defeating the heroine, but utterly humiliating her. There are of course steps to this - first the heroine must be haughty and brag about how the villain can't possibly win (fists on hips pose works well here). Next, of course, they fail, get knocked out, fall under mind control, etc. Then the real fun begins - they're forced to dress up as a sexy maid and serve their enemy, or do a strip tease of their costume in front of a group of baddies, or make out with their partner (see above) while the bad guys continue doing whatever they were doing around them, or, of course, vibrator play until they orgasm. The point is to shame them. Things were going so well until they blew it.

- Deathtraps - the more elaborate (and ridiculous) the better. This is no doubt a holdover from my Batman 66 days. There were few things hotter than seeing the Dynamic Duo strapped to spinning turbines, or a giant BBQ, or massive rooftop grills. Or Electra Woman and Dyna Girl, hypnotized and forced to walk to a high ledge and jump off. Or O-Girl and Nylonika struggling against ever-tightening wires that threatened to cut them into pieces. The only thing here is I want them to get out of their predicament, relatively unscathed. Not into snuff or anything like that, but if I can get a real sense that things could have gone much worse for the heroine...more's the better!

- Mind Control - doesn't matter how you go about it, just remove all free will from your heroine and you have my attention. Turn them into slaves, living dolls, criminals, nymphomaniacs...doesn't matter. I love the idea that so much power was so easily overthrown and is now being used in a manner the original owner would never approve of.

- Clothing - I want a heroine's costume to look like some effort was put into it. Even if it's a simple tights and leotard setup (like EW&DG) accent it with boots and gloves and possibly a mask and cape. Logos on the chest don't hurt either. I love seeing stockings or tights or hose on heroines as well, but it depends on what you're going for. For example, if you're doing Supergirl-type characters...they don't need hose. Give them a nice skirt that blows up at all the wrong times. If you're doing something more along the lines of Wonder Woman, though, hose might work to give her legs more of a shine.

Whew! Didn't mean to be so long-winded. Hope some of this helps.

I love ALL the ideas here!! For me, now it's just a matter of cost lol these actresses aren't cheap before the costumes, other actors, and especially MORE girls lol What I think I WILL do though is just keep it simple at first so I can build up some profit and then begin to make it more elaborate as I go on so I can pay for the things we all want to see. I'm super excited to test out different peril ideas though! I really like the partner idea a lot… going to have to think on that one since I don't want to copy what's already done

[DefeatedHeroines]

So I'm stuck on this ROGUE kick now… I'm thinking I'll release my Supergirl, Ultrawoman, Wonder Woman, and Rogue as my 1st four Heroines?? Maybe?? I dunno… all depends on the actresses I can get really…

I was just talking with Logan over at Heroine Legends… What do you guys think about completely original characters and costumes VS costumes and characters you already know??

[DefeatedHeroines]

Hey hey, I'm putting together the costumes for DefeatedHeroines.com and the biggest decision was really whether to take costumes that exist already or make my own. I have probably 50+ Google Shopping pages up in front of me and, let's just say, I am really bad at decisions…

I'd rather hear what you guys like anyway to add to what I already know I like. If you find pictures of, or more importantly, links to where I can buy your favorite Superheroine costumes, I'd like to see what comes up!! I'm gonna take a quick break from trying to figure it out… I'm even stuck on whether I want my Supergirl to be in a one-piece like 1984 Supergirl or a two-piece like Logan's version, Vega in HeroineLegends.com. Anyway, I'd like to see what you guys have to say about it all…

[DrObiCaffi]

I'm even stuck on whether I want my Supergirl to be in a one-piece like 1984 Supergirl or a two-piece like Logan's version, Vega in HeroineLegends.com.

1984 1984 1984, but add TIGHTS!!! The 2 pieces are too slutty for me. If a heroine is to revealing it seems fake. Like She's BEGGING for a villain to take her. If she has a more subtle but still sexy look, it's hotter that her innocence is taken from her. I vote unitard over 2-piece ANY DAY!

[DefeatedHeroines]

I'm even stuck on whether I want my Supergirl to be in a one-piece like 1984 Supergirl or a two-piece like Logan's version, Vega in HeroineLegends.com.

1984 1984 1984, but add TIGHTS!!! The 2 pieces are too slutty for me. If a heroine is to revealing it seems fake. Like She's BEGGING for a villain to take her. If she has a more subtle but still sexy look, it's hotter that her innocence is taken from her. I vote unitard over 2-piece ANY DAY!

I agree on the slutty thing, but…. ummm… do you see my avatar?? To me, that's hot lol... wait, no lol, it is. I'm also going to have an Ultrawoman who is going to be in a one-piece and have tights… I know all about the tights vs no tights thing… no wars here but I'm gonna go 50/50 on that to appeal to everyone Who knows, the Supergirl alter ego may ALWAYS wear pantyhose… hmmm…. anyone else? Do we all want 1984??

[DefeatedHeroines]

How do we feel about these??? (I know my thoughts. I wanna know yours) Oh, and some are for Heroines, some for Villainesses...


















Just getting ideas here...

[Heroine Addict]

I'm not a big fan of off-the-peg superheroine costumes as they're obviously made for Halloween parties, rather than crime-fighting. The Robin and Supergirl designs look particularly cheap and tacky.

You could throw something together yourself which would look far superior.