Various Fetishes Explained

[Alex Bettinger]

Nope, it's a fetish film. Made to custom specifications from fetishists, advertised to fetishists, sold to fetishists.

Reread my foot fetish analogy again. It's pretty dead on. That's you--the guy making movies about feet, actively soliciting ideas from foot fetishists, letting foot fetishists script the movies, selling the movies almost exclusively to foot fetishists. and then turning around and saying, "My movies are not foot fetish movies!" It's what you call a delusion. Not "perception."

[Imagineer]

So this is a semantic argument, about the word fetish, and we use the fact that the meanings of words are flexible and more loose here to argue that the more strict use of fetish by other people, used more strictly intentionally to reflect how they feel and what they mean, is just wrong. Not a difference of perception, but wrong.

"Fetish" is not as clearly defined as "car." Of course, if you'd like to get into a semantic pissing contest about where people might disagree on whether they think the term "car" applies to something, there's someone out there who will happily oblige you. And somebody doesn't have to agree that their three-wheeled open-topped vehicle is a car in order to buy it.

The point at which a sexually-tinged interest becomes a fetish in colloquial terms is subjective. You'll get universal agreement at the extremes and increasing arguments toward the middle.

[Imagineer]

And Alex, your repeated analogy ignores the fact that HL has multiple companies that make clearly-differentiable products. You can argue that both companies make fetish products, but not that the products are indistinguishable, or even that one doesn't make more blatantly fetish products than the other.

[Shakeshift]

Forget it Alex. It's like trying to explain quantum physics to Tom Sawyer. All you're really going to get is frustration.

[Imagineer]

So now you're calling him stupid. That's uncalled for.

[Alex Bettinger]

And Alex, your repeated analogy ignores the fact that HL has multiple companies that make clearly-differentiable products. You can argue that both companies make fetish products, but not that the products are indistinguishable, or even that one doesn't make more blatantly fetish products than the other.

I've never said that the products are indistinguishable.

What I say is this: If you produce videos that are made according to custom specifications from fetishists, and you market the video all but exclusively to fetishists, and sell the video overwhelmingly to fetishists, then you're making a fetish video.

Plenty of room for degrees here, but the general category is not up for dispute, or for different people's perception. Anything that fits that description is a fetish movie.

[Shakeshift]

I don't recall ever using that word 'stupid' in my post.

[Imagineer]

I don't recall ever using that word 'stupid' in my post.

You used a simile that clearly implied he's not smart enough to understand the subject.

Hide behind that technicality if you like, but your intent seems clear. If you intended something else, you're welcome to clarify.

[Mr. X]

We've done custom orders where the only request was to see 2 specific actresses fight each other. The required elements were to use a knife and disarm the knife from her. That's it.

Yeah that's sexual. Its two chics fighting. Pretty much sexual. Did they ask for two ugly dudes? More than likely this person who ordered this saw a movie a long time ago with two chics fighting over a knife and got his first sexual thrill and BAM that's his fetish. That simple. Fetishes come from first rushes. He may not have even had an erection but he got a rush (like 12 years old for example). Same stuff happens when kids are tickled or go on rides at parks. Its like when a baby bird thinks the first thing it sees is mommy.

Its a fetish.

[Mr. X]

No. The fetish label has nothing to do with it. Stop trying to make it about the fetish-- it's not. The feminist outcry has to do with the scenario of not empowering women and PARTLY due to their objectification sexually-- not because of fetish, simply because of the objectification.

Fetish refers to the need of a specific sexual element that "is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression". That means you need it to be turned on.

This has nothing to do with anyone's fetish. Simply taking what some people perceive as a fetish and introducing those qualities into mainstream works-- which is not uncommon. It's simply based on THIS fetish in particular-- which to some, isn't a fetish at all. Because a fetish is psychologically based. You may share the same fetishes as someone else, but to another, there is no implication of a fetish whatsoever.

It's really a simple concept.

Wait... so you ask us all what a fetish is then you tell us what a fetish is?

Basically what you fail to recognize is the stuff you put into your so called non-fetish videos IS a trigger item. Hot chic is a trigger item. Action fights with hot chics is a trigger item. Girl power is a trigger item. Again I don't see you using ugly girls. Its just the things you list are "acceptable" to mainstream. Did you know killing men is also a trigger item? Popping balloons between the legs etc.

Basically if customer X wants to pay money of go through effort to see scene A then they pretty much have a fetish regardless of what it is. More than likely its sexual ie they get a rush.

Now there can be fetishes that may NOT appear sexual. For example hyper emotionality. Lots of people want to see hyper emotionality. Think soap operas. But it pretty much leads back to a self gratifying rush upon seeing that scene.

[Shakeshift]

I decline to clarify on my post. I'll let Logan's posts over the past three or four pages illuminate my point instead. He does a much better job at it.

[helstar]

This looks almost like school bullying... is it really deserved ?

[CustomSuperheroines]

I'm going to jump on here as a female producer and actress in this superheroine genre as I would prefer to call it. I'm not entirely sure how asking fans to clarify a question has turned into everyone and their mother jumping on our board to try to attack what we are doing here. Everyone has their own opinion of different things and I will clearly stand by that I am NOT a fetish model or actress. I am an actress who enjoys creating action films within the superhero genre because it is fun, sexy & just an overall blast to jump into a comic character. Many people watch many things for different reasons, but it doesn't mean that the producer or actresses are specifically doing what they are watching it for for that purpose. I personally, along with a majority of our cast, dive into these characters and choose to do certain moves, elements etc because they fit the genre and make for a kickass episode. If someone orders a custom with a particular element and it fits into our storyline, why they heck not? They only ADD to the comic world and make for a more interesting film! In the end, the filmmaking industry is to show the world what you've got and to get people to enjoy your work with you. We have grown to absolutely LOVE the comic book world and the peril aspects of it only add to the story and frankly are what truly make a legit superheroine/superhero movie.
So, I will leave it at that. Those who are on this forum to attack and argue on an opinion are wasting your time and I feel your efforts could be better used on stating your opinion, realizing it's an opinion and moving on with your day
We produce superheroine films that we enjoy making for our fans and those in the comic world that in some opinions have fetish elements in them, but we DO NOT film strictly fetish films. There is no room for argument here, it is our opinion and what our actions are, you can have your own opinion as well. No need for attacks, it's a waste of time. Logan doesn't deserve to have people attack him over something as petty as this. He is a producer, not a high school kid. Thanks to those of you trying to keep this thread as it is meant to be - as a response to a question
~Kristina

[Alex Bettinger]

Kristina, if I argue that you ARE in fact making fetish films--because you make them according to fetishist's custom specifications, market them to fetishists, sell them overwhelmingly to fetishists--why do you see that as an "attack"?

I'm not attacking anything you do. I think what you do is super swell. We are simply having a disagreement about whether or not they're fetish movies.

Why do you see the label "fetish video" as an attack?

It may be the case that you THINK you're not in fetish videos, but you really are. That would suck, if you really think being in a fetish video is such a bad thing.

In my opinion, it's not at all a bad thing to be in a fetish video, or to be a fetish model or actress. If someone were to suggest you were such a thing, I wouldn't think of that as an attack at all. It's too bad you feel it is.

[CustomSuperheroines]

Alex - I see it as an attack because you are trying to tell us what we as a company are doing and trying to classify it. There is nothing wrong with fetish films, we have another company, Rapture Entertainment, that clearly is in the fetish realm and we have a lot of fun filming them. However, it's like saying someone who teaches Yoga is a slut because they put their bodies in sexual positions that may be seen as sexual, when in fact they are just doing the art form known as Yoga. An on-looker may see one thing, but the person doing the act is doing it for their purpose. It's only an attack because you are trying to TELL us what we are doing instead of just having your opinion and leaving it at that. I am an actress in superhero films and that is what I am, regardless of other's opinions.

I just don't see the need for this conversation to continue. Opinions cannot be validated or proven wrong.
~Kristina

[Heroine Addict]

Sorry to bring up semantics again, but what does Logan want people to discuss now? Are we using "fetish" in the way virtually everyone in the adult film industry uses the word when catering to predilections? Or are we supposed to be using a single dictionary definition which only applies to people who have a psychological need to see their fetish in order to get turned on? The latter definition is so exclusive that I seriously doubt it applies to many people on this board.

To be honest, if anyone on this site is so twisted that seeing women in peril "is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression", then I really don't want to know about them because they must be seriously disturbed. I'm here for superheroine peril as fun and fantasy.

Perhaps the narrow dictionary definition of "fetish", used almost as a pejorative, is deliberate? Maybe Logan's letting us know that he doesn't use the word in the same way that those working in the adult film industry use it? Ahhhhhhhhhh!

[Alex Bettinger]

That's a poor analogy. "Slut" is a clearly derogatory term. Fetish is not, it's descriptive. Unless you are saying calling a movie a fetish movie is just as derogatory as calling someone a slut? Surely you don't mean that.

Kristina--the intentions of the people making a movie do not determine what the movie is. The people who made "Deep Throat" might very well have set out to make a PG family movie, but the movie objectively IS a porn. You don't get to determine what your movie is just because you say so.

And my argument--NOT an attack, it's actually a rather straightforward philosophical view--is just that, if you make movies according to fetishists' specifications, and market it aggressively to fetish fans, and sell it overwhelmingly to those fetish fans, then it's a fetish movie. That's a purely descriptive term. It's not derogatory like "slut". It's not an attack.

UNLESS you think fetish movies really are bad or lesser or gross or whatever. If you think that, then for you "fetish" IS a derogatory term. Do you think fetish is a derogatory term?

[Dragon1]

HL everything you produce is Fetish they are just diffrent fetishes. Belly punching Fetish, Crawling Fetish hair Pulling Fetish, Low blow fetish, KO Fetish, Throat Lifts Fetish, Bear Hug Fetish • Body Stretching Fetish• Mind Control Fetish and so many others. Tamer or lighter Fetishes as apposed to hard core feishes and I myself like the hardercore fetish but I hate when it turn into porn. HL when you advertise your clips you are advertisng what fetish elements each clip contains.

[CustomSuperheroines]

Alex you have a remarkable way of trying to make us sound bad in any way you can. I'm not saying fetish is derogatory in any way. I was using an analogy to best show how two people can view the same act in two very different ways and am sitting next to a yoga instructor who does our booking lol. I am not attacking the fetish world in any way and am very well aware that some fans may view our films for different reasons as I have stated before. I am simply stating that I do not do certain elements etc to hit a fetish point as you are saying. I am doing certain moves because it pertains to the scene and looks cool or sexy and is IN COMICS. I am a girl, all girls want to be seen as attractive or sexy, but that doesn't mean we are specifically moving in a certain way to appease a certain reaction. And as a producer, I CAN determine what MY movie is because it is MINE and I created it. Viewers have their right to view it as what they would like - but to try to state my creation is what you claim it to be is incorrect.

Again, not sure why this has continued… I have many friends who are fetish models and actresses, but I don't personally label myself as such, I am just an actress/producer who takes on a character and acts according to the universe I am supposed to be in. COMICS

@Heroine Addict - lol, I believe he was just asking what people see as the appeal to certain moves. For example, bear hugs are in almost every superheroine movie and I personally don't understand the full dynamic behind it. So, I think he was just asking for the reasoning behind it or maybe backstory (Linda Carter may have done one in her films and it just reminds you of her? etc) - just pure curiosity so we can make sure we stay as try to the comics as we can The whole can of worms opened up somehow and got us off topic a bit

~Kristina

[CustomSuperheroines]

HL everything you produce is Fetish they are just diffrent fetishes. Belly punching Fetish, Crawling Fetish hair Pulling Fetish, Low blow fetish, KO Fetish, Throat Lifts Fetish, Bear Hug Fetish • Body Stretching Fetish• Mind Control Fetish and so many others. Tamer or lighter Fetishes as apposed to hard core feishes and I myself like the hardercore fetish but I hate when it turn into porn. HL when you advertise your clips you are advertisng what fetish elements each clip contains.

We are telling you what is entailed in the fight scene or video as you would see in photos of a comic book. We are not saying people DON'T watch our films for fetish reasons, everyone has their own reasonings for everything. Crawling, bear hugs, low blows, etc are all parts of a fight or telling you what the storyline is entailing There is a fetish for almost anything, so saying we are only doing fetish films is saying that everything in the world is too… Arrow has a throat lift, low blows, crawling, belly punching, unmasking etc - are you saying that is fetish as well? If so, then that's perfectly fine and an opinion

~Kristina

[xxxwarriorxxx]

Chloroform KO is the best Fetish

[CustomSuperheroines]

Sorry to bring up semantics again, but what does Logan want people to discuss now? Are we using "fetish" in the way virtually everyone in the adult film industry uses the word when catering to predilections? Or are we supposed to be using a single dictionary definition which only applies to people who have a psychological need to see their fetish in order to get turned on? The latter definition is so exclusive that I seriously doubt it applies to many people on this board.

To be honest, if anyone on this site is so twisted that seeing women in peril "is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression", then I really don't want to know about them because they must be seriously disturbed. I'm here for superheroine peril as fun and fantasy.

Perhaps the narrow dictionary definition of "fetish", used almost as a pejorative, is deliberate? Maybe Logan's letting us know that he doesn't use the word in the same way that those working in the adult film industry use it? Ahhhhhhhhhh!

FUN & FANTASY!! Yes - you nailed it thank you!

[Imagineer]

Recognizing that there are places where fetish IS a negative term, and not wanting to use the word fetish in those places to describe what you do, just seems like good business sense, at the possible cost of standing up for social justice, which is an issue unto itself...

But if fetish is used as a negative term here strictly among ourselves, it's a misuse of the term, because it's not the accepted working meaning in this community.

Fair to say?

[Alex Bettinger]

I'm very sorry Kristina--but to go back to my foot fetish analogy: If you were to produce videos that were almost all shots of sexy women's feet, and you solicited ideas from foot fetishists, and you let foot fetishists script all or significant parts of your videos, and you aggressively marketed the videos to foot fetishists, and the overwhelming majority of your sales were from foot fetishists.... Then you have made a foot fetish video.

Your personal intention while shooting is totally irrelevant. That you WANT to see yourself as someone who does not produce foot fetish videos is equally irrelevant. The video either is or is not a foot fetish video. And as far as I'm concerned, the videos described above clearly ARE foot fetish videos. Despite what you say, you do NOT get to determine what your movie is.

I make videos with some nudity and some graphic sexual themes. I can CLAIM all I want that it's PG, or not porn, or not fetish. But I'd be wrong. You see? You don't get to just decide what your movie is. That would be a fundamental philosophical error.

And that's what we've been talking about. No one is attacking you or your movies. I just think there is a huge amount of evidence that they're properly described as fetish movies. You've offered none to counteract that view.

[Domi666]

In my opinion, this discussion is pretty pointless as long as it all depends on the sense you give to the "fetish" word.
The 70's serie Wonder Woman (with Linda Carter) has a lot of "fetish" elements (chloro, fight, superheroine, ko...) but was mainstream anyway (at least, I think so). Does the fight scene between Sharon Stone (in workout attire !) and schwarzenegger make Total Recal a fetish movie or Sharon Stone a fetish actress ?
Honestly, "fetish" is just a word and this label is really subjective but can clearly live side by side with mainstream as long as there's no porn

Note: sorry for my broken english

[Mr. X]

Alex - I see it as an attack because you are trying to tell us what we as a company are doing and trying to classify it. There is nothing wrong with fetish films, we have another company, Rapture Entertainment, that clearly is in the fetish realm and we have a lot of fun filming them. However, it's like saying someone who teaches Yoga is a slut because they put their bodies in sexual positions that may be seen as sexual, when in fact they are just doing the art form known as Yoga. An on-looker may see one thing, but the person doing the act is doing it for their purpose. It's only an attack because you are trying to TELL us what we are doing instead of just having your opinion and leaving it at that. I am an actress in superhero films and that is what I am, regardless of other's opinions.

I just don't see the need for this conversation to continue. Opinions cannot be validated or proven wrong.
~Kristina

Ok ok you're not making fetish material. Your group makes fine products.

[CustomSuperheroines]

Alex I have offered tons to support what both Logan and I are saying, but it's not possible to change anyone's mind once they are convinced and it's not my job to. I hope this thread can revert back to what it was meant for as I feel that this will just be a circle conversation with no ultimate end that I just don't really have time for unfortunately. Opinions are opinions and are perfectly accepted as that

I do not want anyone to feel that anyone/anything is being attacked or placed in a derogatory way and I'm afraid some comments from others suggesting that may make it seem that way. We love all of our fans and all of the support we get from the SHIP community and will continue to do our best to learn more each and every day to bring you all the best Comic-book films we can!! Woohoo!

~Kristina

[Alex Bettinger]

And one more thing, Kristina. When you say, "I do not do certain elements etc to hit a fetish point as you are saying," isn't that just objectively false?

I mean, most of the elements included in the movies you make were requested--and PAID FOR--by fetishists. That's why you included them, because they requested them.

Now you can believe anything you want while shooting--"Oh, we're doing this whipping scene now because it's essential to the narrative"--but that doesn't change the fact that the reason you included the whipping was because someone with a whipping fetish requested it, paid for it, and because you are catering to HIS fetishistic interests, and so that you can then market the video to OTHER whipping fetishists (which you do).

Just because you tell yourself you're not doing it to hit a fetish element doesn't make it so.

[Mr. X]

Just let it go Alex. Not worth it.

[Alex Bettinger]

You know, Mr X, I'm actually really philosophically interested at this point. Danto was someone I met once and whose philosophy of art I always respected greatly--I think the "objective" existence of artworks is something super fun to discuss. Even here in the context of fetish videos!

It's easy to think that the "author" gets to decide what his artwork is--but as even a cursory thought experiment shows, it's just not the case. I love that kind of stuff.

[jlocke]

I believe the heart of the superheroine fetish is about men feeling like they don't have control or any power in today's world when it comes to sex. Political correctness, sexual harassment. Women say when and where. The idea that there's a woman who's stronger than men, eliminates the guilt of our caveman brains which just want to bash the babe over the head, and drag her back to our cave. Superheroines are a safe area to explore our fantasies. In fantasy world I would do unspeakable things to a superheroine. In real life, I would get sick to my stomach if I hurt a woman because of a sexual urge.

1. Bear Hugs. Watch "Gargantua" episode of Wonder Woman. Also, the powerful heroine is momentarily incapacitated, and she being held right against the villain. So powerful, and yet so helpless.

2. Spanking. Humiliation. This is a mixture of physically punishing the heroine and also psychologically hurting the heroine. She's humiliated because she's being treated like a child. The element of indignation is very erotic to many fans.

3. Lifting / Carrying. Lifting and carrying show that the heroine is incapacitated. She's completely dominated. She's been so defeated, she can't even escape on her own two legs. The villain displays the vanquished heroine as he carries her off. Lynda Carter "carried" lots of very heavy men in the WW series. You just need a dolly and decent camera angle. Only show the heroine from the arms up.

4. Debooting. See foot fetish, there's about a million websites.

5. Uncaping. Cape removal is about the indignity of removing the symbol of her superheroine-ness. Capes are iconic, superman, batman, etc. Unmasking is about revealing the heroine's secret identity. This is about power. The villain now has a huge piece of leverage with which to humiliate or manipulate the heroine.

6. Low Blows. Physical punishment is only part of this fetish. Have you ever been kneed in the nuts by a girl? This is revenge. Low blows on women are no where near as painful as one on a man, but in superheroine world they are. Payback is a bitch.

7. AOH. Barbarian Queen, Heavy Metal. Additionally their chests are stuck out, and in general, they look fucking hot.

8. Breast Destruction. I make love to my wife. I fuck the shit out of superheorines. I"m not looking to fondly caress a fantasy woman's tits, I can do that in real life. I want to punish a superheroine. Additionally, a lot of the sexual element of superheroines comes from their skimpy costumes barely concealing their breasts. The frustration of being so close and yet so far is easily alleviated by punching that hot superpowered bitch right in the tit.

9. Chokeouts. Death is a turn on for many superheroine fans. Asphyxiation is also very erotic. Nearly every superheroine in comics, TV, etc. has been captured by gas, chloroform. It reminds fans of these moments.

10. Belly Punching. This is just pure punishment. Some fans want to physically punish the superheroine before they take advantage of them. The beat down is about getting rid of the frustration.


Heroine Legends, Rapture, Defeated Heroines. There is NO ONE buying your films for their artistic merit. Your productions values are no where near even cheap independent art house films. Anyone who buys your videos is doing so to masturbate to them. I cannot for the life of me figure out why you don't already know that. Have you not watched a single superheroine film made by another superheroine producer? Your audience is here to jerk off.

Everyone's different. Everyone gets sexually excited by different things. The whole "I just don't get it" is fine, but when you start condemning other's sexual fetishes, you're being closed minded. We might think that what you get off on is gross. So maybe a little less judgment and a little more honest inquiry might help out.

I'm sure you didn't mean to, but some of the comments in this thread have been pretty insulting to your audience.

[Mr. X]

You know, Mr X, I'm actually really philosophically interested at this point. Danto was someone I met once and whose philosophy of art I always respected greatly--I think the "objective" existence of artworks is something super fun to discuss. Even here in the context of fetish videos!

It's easy to think that the "author" gets to decide what his artwork is--but as even a cursory thought experiment shows, it's just not the case. I love that kind of stuff.

I am 100% into objectivity.

[Heroine Addict]

So you use the heroine's fate as a cathartic revenge substitute? That's an interesting perspective.

For me, it's nothing as personal as that. It's just about the peril going that one step further than it ever did in the mainstream. Nobody ever unmasked Batgirl. Nobody ever ripped Wonder Woman's tights. It's the subversion of an inherently moral narrative. A twisted mirror of the shows I used to love.

[flash]

[quote="xxxwarriorxxx"]Chloroform KO is the best Fetish [/quote]

with over the shoulder as the "chaser."

Why aren't there any front over the shoulder carries ; where the legs dangle or flop freely from the villain's back

[flash]

Fetish is no longer mainstream. Back in the 40's, 50's and the swinging 60's. But no more. If it was mainstream why bother to buy from Paragon? It would be free or cheap to afford on basic cable.

[Heroine Addict]

Chloroform KO is the best Fetish

with over the shoulder as the "chaser."

Why aren't there any front over the shoulder carries ; where the legs dangle or flop freely from the villain's back

It's probably due to the distribution of weight. It's much easier and more natural to carry someone with their lower body facing your front.

[rizoboy]

Can't we all JUST GET ALONG? I love all you guys, seriously. Rye for expanding the super heroine fetish genre. Alex for introducing me to Crimson Hawk and her worlds. Logan for pumping out SO MUCH product I get lost trying to make choices, an ABUNDANCE of material. Giga for taking it to the extremes I love. NGC for the stories. Bluestone for the beautiful models and the death fetish. PEACE AND LOVE to all of you.

(By the way I consider it fetish. But who cares? JUST KEEP DOING IT!)

[smashTFC]

Logan - what's your opinion on the female characters having super strength and agility and performing near impossible feats? I swing the other way where I love to see the heroine or villainess dominating whether it's a person or heavy object or those superhuman jumps you have in some of your films. I don't know why that gets me going but it always has since I saw the Bionic Woman in my childhood. May have to do with seeing a beautiful, delicate looking woman looking glamorous while doing stuff like this:
(Artwork by me)

[rizoboy]

WOWgirl, thanks for the honesty. I feel very similarly in what attracts me to the genre. The pleasure of seeing a powerful female in pain and finally broken...I have to admit is what drew me to the genre. The strange thing is I felt this for a long, LONG time. It's not something i can attribute to how I was brought up, however. i have a very loving family. It was almost primordial: I remember it well. I was 7 years old and I saw a picture in a peril magazine in a bookstore in France. And the rush came. I was immediately and forever taken by it.

[Richpartist]

I want to see beautiful women "knocked out" and carried over someones shoulder................simple

[Dragon1]

HL everything you produce is Fetish they are just diffrent fetishes. Belly punching Fetish, Crawling Fetish hair Pulling Fetish, Low blow fetish, KO Fetish, Throat Lifts Fetish, Bear Hug Fetish • Body Stretching Fetish• Mind Control Fetish and so many others. Tamer or lighter Fetishes as apposed to hard core feishes and I myself like the hardercore fetish but I hate when it turn into porn. HL when you advertise your clips you are advertisng what fetish elements each clip contains.

We are telling you what is entailed in the fight scene or video as you would see in photos of a comic book. We are not saying people DON'T watch our films for fetish reasons, everyone has their own reasonings for everything. Crawling, bear hugs, low blows, etc are all parts of a fight or telling you what the storyline is entailing There is a fetish for almost anything, so saying we are only doing fetish films is saying that everything in the world is too… Arrow has a throat lift, low blows, crawling, belly punching, unmasking etc - are you saying that is fetish as well? If so, then that's perfectly fine and an opinion

~Kristina

Ummmmm NO when arrow has a show with crawling they don't advertise the crawling. Contaning a fetish element and creating a fetish scene is not the same thing. You will never see Tonight on arrow throat lift, Crawling and Bondage for your viewing pleasure. Although it may contain alll in the same episode. The purpose of arrow is not fetish the purpose of The Superheroine Forum is Fetish.

[theScribbler]

Wait...Arrow has low blows, belly punching, unmasking, to a hot girl character? Darn, I missed seeing that episode (or two). Which episode(s)?

[CustomSuperheroines]

All of these analogies and this entire conversation is pointless. We make Superheroine Films. We include common elements. We allow everyone to buy them. Fetish People buy them. Comic-Con guys buy them. It doesn't matter. To the fetish viewers, it's fetish. To the actors in the project, it's risqué mainstream. It's a matter of perception. Marketing a car to an urban community doesn't make the car ghetto. This whole thread has gone way past stupid. I won't even bother addressing the idiocy that has plagued this thread.

Some people are clearly here to start an argument. Defend your fetish. I don't care because no one was attacking it. I don't shoot these films like fetish films. They are shot like mainstream films. I market them to fetish fans. Does that bother some of you here? It shouldn't. If it does, then there is some deep-seeded shit you need to get a grasp on. Other producers who feel it necessary to put a label on my product need to relax. I don't jump on your threads. I don't label your products. These are things I do not do out of respect. I certainly don't chime in and question your business practices or your theories on how you treat your actresses (I've heard stories-- no, I will not go in further detail).

I have a great team. Here are some from today:


I can assure you, even though almost every one of them reads these forums, that none of them are making fetish films. They are making Superheroine films that they know some fetish viewers enjoy. I will not entertain any further debate about this because frankly it's annoying. All of the sudden hot girls are a fetish? Are you fucking kidding me? lol Your use of the word fetish is so loose that it doesn't even have a meaning anymore. And to not use the true definition-- then I have no idea of anything anyone is saying because any possible word you use could mean something completely different than what is stated in the dictionary. That is absurd logic-- dare I degrade the word by comparing.

Anyway, thank you to all of our supporters-- we filmed 2 great films today: Heroine Kombat: Hel vs Infinity & Shadowgirl 2, Part 2. I can't wait to get them through post-production and get back into filming tomorrow AM!

[CustomSuperheroines]

Logan - what's your opinion on the female characters having super strength and agility and performing near impossible feats? I swing the other way where I love to see the heroine or villainess dominating whether it's a person or heavy object or those superhuman jumps you have in some of your films. I don't know why that gets me going but it always has since I saw the Bionic Woman in my childhood. May have to do with seeing a beautiful, delicate looking woman looking glamorous while doing stuff like this:
(Artwork by me)

My opinion? I love all of the scenarios I've seen - this is Girl Power - we've done quite a few GP style films-- we need to do more with objects since really, just throat lifting other people and bending crowbars is as far as we've really gotten with it... :/

[Dragon1]

@WowGirl very Cool.
@ HL you do have a great team and saying ," it's risqué mainstream". is like calling porn "nude physical expression". If it make you feel better great. Just keep up the good work and you can call it anything you want.

[CustomSuperheroines]

Patty's Back! Shadowgirl 2 is underway! Thanks to your support on Shadowgirl 1, the sequel became a reality! Filming will be complete on this project by next week!

[theScribbler]

I certainly don't chime in and question your business practices or your theories on how you treat your actresses (I've heard stories-- no, I will not go in further detail).

Quite the veiled accusation. I've heard Alex treats his actresses and everyone else really well. WTF stories are you talking about?

Having read this forum for a while, I'm pretty sure when people use the term 'fetish,' they really mean 'kink' or 'turn-on,' not the exact definition that says one requires the item/visual to climax.

[harriertalon]

Great thread topic, and I'm enjoying (and learning) quite a bit from the discussion.

As someone who likes a spanking scene, I can only try and explain how it works for me. Generally we're spanked only when we're kids. It's the one thing a parent can do (physically) that totally overpowers you, hurts, and usually leaves you crying and "broken" (can't think of a better word for it, but there probably is). So when an adult bends a heroine over his or her knee, or puts her in a stockade with her ass held high for a going over with a riding crop, it's basically saying that the heroine is no more powerful than a little kid right now, and that the villain is the adult - the one with the power - here. It can be utterly humiliating and defeating to the right kind of heroine. Also, it's a great chance for the villain to cop a feel if they're going at it bare-handed.

One of my favorite spanking tortures doesn't even involve another human. I like seeing a heroine put in stocks and having a machine paddle her repeatedly. Again, it's mainly the humiliation aspect that makes it work, and also again...perhaps only for me.

In many ways it's like the flip-side of tickling (another torture fetish I love and don't get enough of) where the heroine is made to feel and look ridiculous and humiliated in front of the villain who has the upper hand (or fingers! )

[CustomSuperheroines]

Great thread topic, and I'm enjoying (and learning) quite a bit from the discussion.

As someone who likes a spanking scene, I can only try and explain how it works for me. Generally we're spanked only when we're kids. It's the one thing a parent can do (physically) that totally overpowers you, hurts, and usually leaves you crying and "broken" (can't think of a better word for it, but there probably is). So when an adult bends a heroine over his or her knee, or puts her in a stockade with her ass held high for a going over with a riding crop, it's basically saying that the heroine is no more powerful than a little kid right now, and that the villain is the adult - the one with the power - here. It can be utterly humiliating and defeating to the right kind of heroine. Also, it's a great chance for the villain to cop a feel if they're going at it bare-handed.

One of my favorite spanking tortures doesn't even involve another human. I like seeing a heroine put in stocks and having a machine paddle her repeatedly. Again, it's mainly the humiliation aspect that makes it work, and also again...perhaps only for me.

In many ways it's like the flip-side of tickling (another torture fetish I love and don't get enough of) where the heroine is made to feel and look ridiculous and humiliated in front of the villain who has the upper hand (or fingers! )

Very helpful the tickling scene is one of those ones I get a lot of negative feedback from - weird how angry ppl get lol a film called "Malek's Intentions" - fun episode with a tickle scene.

[CustomSuperheroines]

Oh Scribbler I was wondering where you went off to. Haven't had an attack from you for a while Missed the arguments!

No one said any particular producer's name at all in this so throwing Alex's name in the mix is just trying to start more crap. Get a life Scribbler seriously. And Alex, no hard feelings, I see your opinions, it's just not very cordial to jump on our threads and trying to tell us what we are doing. Conversation is over and myself and Logan will no longer entertain it. If anyone wants to continue the actual conversation instead of high school pettiness then wonderful, we'd love to continue to chat with you all
~Kristina