How much sexual humiliation should be in a scene?

[GeekyPornCritic]

Hello everyone! This is my first post here.

I recently started getting into Superheroine porn and my only issue is the lack of sexual humiliation in many scenes. There are far too many scenes with more than half of the video containing the story and only a few minutes featuring sexual humiliation. Then are films that get it just right with 5 to 10 minutes of story and the remaining time is all about sex within the plot. As long as there are at least 15 minutes of sexual humiliation then I am a very happy customer.

[TIEnTEEZ]

Hi Revenger,

Gratz on your first post! Love your avatar, BTW. That's one of my favorite scenes.
Anyway, to your point about "get it right", the thing is, everyone has different tastes and preferences. For me, I prefer bondage, and so I am often frustrated by all of the fighting that goes on in some of the best videos out there. Fighting just isn't my thing, but I understand that lots of people like it and it sells, so that's what producers make.
My advice is to focus on studios that make the kind of stuff you like. You'd probably love the stuff Primal does. They have lots of sex, bondage, mind control, and humiliation in their videos. And the more of those you buy, the more they will keep making.

[tallyho]

^^^Plus Primal are very reasonably priced for the length

[Mr. Pantyhose Lover]

I'd be satisfied with sexual humiliation upon any superheroine in their pantyhosed feet by bigger and stronger male villains via sodomy without the pantyhose getting torn nor ripped. I only would like to see them pulled down below their buttocks before the forced rectal reamings.

[HipHopSince79]

For the whole entire Universe to see, I'd like to see Powerwoman de-booted and white leotard stripped off her with her toast shimmery sheer to waist pantyhose pulled down below her buttocks on her knees getting her rectum rammed with a 15" Kryptonite dildo molded from John Holmes' cock courtesy of General Zod

[Bronson881]

Primal is very good.

[athenaartemis]

Hello everyone! This is my first post here.

I recently started getting into Superheroine porn and my only issue is the lack of sexual humiliation in many scenes. There are far too many scenes with more than half of the video containing the story and only a few minutes featuring sexual humiliation. Then are films that get it just right with 5 to 10 minutes of story and the remaining time is all about sex within the plot. As long as there are at least 15 minutes of sexual humiliation then I am a very happy customer.

I think you would like our superheroine videos at http://www.clips4sale.com/studio/67405/

All our videos all feature at least 15 minutes of sexual humiliation.

Our Mighty Isis, Electra Woman and Dyna Girl, Wonder Woman, Saturn Girl, Dyna Girl (solo), Wonder Girl and Green Lantern Girl videos are 30% - 60% sexual humiliation depending on each video at http://www.clips4sale.com/studio/67405/

Let me know if you have any questions.

[Superheroinegirl22]

My personal preference is seeing the Heroine forced to Orgasm in her tights, with no actual Nudity.

[Disciple]

My personal preference is seeing the Heroine forced to Orgasm in her tights, with no actual Nudity.

Hear hear.

(Or is it here here? I could never get it pinned down.)

[EvilDaria]

I prefer an open/torn costume but not full nudity, although anything can be revealed at those times when something is happening to her in those areas.
It is far more humiliating for the character to find herself vulnerable when still (mostly) costumed, as this so often means more than just a disguise to the heroine - it becomes surrogate armour. Nothing can touch her whilst she is wearing it.
FYI when I put on a costume, I become the character I've dressed as. No longer am I that boring girl with a boring life, the one who got bullied for her looks at school. Here, looking back at me through my mask, is an invincible heroine. Now imagine having that torn away from me, demonstrating that, underneath, I'm not special at all.
I understand the allure of full nudity, but for me, knowing that however powerful my character, underneath I am still vulnerable, is what attracts me to this form of fetish.

[NoonShadow]

I don't mind a good bit of plot and story, as long as the story is well done. The story is the build-up, and the sexual humiliation is the climax. If the build-up is proper, I don't need too much of the sexual humiliation to make it work.

[ksire_99]

To me it only matters whose wick is dipping the ink

K

[bushwackerbob]

I agree with you on the relative lack of sexual humiliation in superheroine peril videos. There seems to be a lot of product out there that purport to be SHP films that are actually porn videos that happen to have women in superheroine costumes. There are some studios that do humiliation better than others, Alex David for instance. The maddening thing about superheroine humiliation is that in most cases it is free. It is not about spending extra money on costumes, locations, studios, or props. Superheroine humiliation in films require creativity and imagination, not a slam, jam, thank you Mam fast food version of superheroine peril.

[Dazzle1]

I agree with you on the relative lack of sexual humiliation in superheroine peril videos. There seems to be a lot of product out there that purport to be SHP films that are actually porn videos that happen to have women in superheroine costumes. There are some studios that do humiliation better than others, Alex David for instance. The maddening thing about superheroine humiliation is that in most cases it is free. It is not about spending extra money on costumes, locations, studios, or props. Superheroine humiliation in films require creativity and imagination, not a slam, jam, thank you Mam fast food version of superheroine peril.

I agree with you on the last part, when the heroine is immediadly defeated by a powerful foe, magic or trickery and they go straight to the sexual humiliation it loses something.

[KnightsofGotham.com]

I agree with you on the relative lack of sexual humiliation in superheroine peril videos. There seems to be a lot of product out there that purport to be SHP films that are actually porn videos that happen to have women in superheroine costumes. There are some studios that do humiliation better than others, Alex David for instance. The maddening thing about superheroine humiliation is that in most cases it is free. It is not about spending extra money on costumes, locations, studios, or props. Superheroine humiliation in films require creativity and imagination, not a slam, jam, thank you Mam fast food version of superheroine peril.

THE COMMENTS BELOW ARE NOT MEANT AS AN ATTACK BUT JUST STRAIGHT FORWARD SPEAKING.


Devils advocate.
stop painting in broad strokes.
The humiliation thats out there may not be your example of quality but it is others.
If you feel there is a hole that needs filling you should target the problem directly.
The problem?
this pesky producers

Here is how producers work.

and why lots of time what you like doesn't get made.


1) how producers work.
Producers fall under one of three categories.
Money, vision, or kink.

They either are making projects to make money, they are making projects because they have a fantasy and they get to live out their fantasy with a hot model and make back some of the money by selling it, or they have a legit vision of what the perfect super heroine video should be. these last producers want to make what is already in the comics with a slightly (or in some cases not too slight) adult theme

2) Why your thing doesn't get represented.
That one is really easy.
You don't speak up.
seriously.

Producers who are doing it for the kink won't care what you want because they just want to live their fantasies with some spandex clad hot chick. they may throw some fan service but won't really care because its not their thing.

Producers who are trying to make a living comic book won't listen because if they thought it would fit the live version of a comic it would have been done already, and no your vision may not be the same as their vision in which case all the screaming about it won't make a lick of sense.

whats left is the producers who do this for money.
They gauge what sells and what doesn't
they continue what sells and stop what doesn't.

how can you help?
thats easy.
don't be quiet.

When a producer puts out something with really good content tell everyone. reply to that thread with glowing praise. if there is another thread that has someone asking for that thing post and direct them to the link.

If its not perfect post a reply telling the producer all the things that were right, and then posting what you would change.

whatever you do don't start with the negative and stick to the negative. this is a good way to have a producer skip right past you.

This is a comment I received and skipped right past because this guy always just take a shit on whatever we do and has nothing good to say.

"Overall, I wasn't particularly impressed with the presentation and wound up skipping through much of the content. I think the editing needs to be tightened up more."

Whenever I see this guys name I just don't bother reading because he never has anything good to say.....ever!

so where does that leave you?
busy i guess if you want to see your content done the way you like it.

if every producer who tries fails miserably then your penultimate option is to order a custom.
Yes Customs can be expensive but you can do what i do when i buy customs
(yes I order customs from other producers. I don't shoot my kink so i pay to see it done the way I like)
I put aside a few bucks every week. as much as I can afford to put aside that week.
my customs only cost about $150 so after a few months I have enough saved to order one.

anyway back to the guideline.

Make sure you make your custom script detailed as you feel it would be perfect.
When the producer makes it he will eventually put it up on c4s or whatever store they have.
after they release it contact them and ask how its selling. if its selling well remind the producer you will be the first one to buy any similar content, if its not selling well give him the tips you felt the movie needed and were lacking.

then go to the forums and tell people this was your custom and tell everyone why it worked.
people will be more likely to buy a video from someone who spent money already on it than by just the producers presentation.

if no-one does what you want you always have the option of starting your own store. this is how many producers start doing the thing they love.
catering to a hole they feel is huge.
you may find out the need isn't so great, or you may end up being one of the best respected producers here.


Either way man I hope you find what you're looking for

[KnightsofGotham.com]

Again this was not meant as an attack on the poster.
For some reason some people feel that producers shouldn't address the members of this forum unless they have their tongue way up that persons ass and this was meant to clarify a position and guide the OP to a resolution. It may be forward speaking and straight talk but its not meant as an attack.

[bushwackerbob]

Again this was not meant as an attack on the poster.
For some reason some people feel that producers shouldn't address the members of this forum unless they have their tongue way up that persons ass and this was meant to clarify a position and guide the OP to a resolution. It may be forward speaking and straight talk but its not meant as an attack.

No worries here. I appreciate your feedback. I am aware that SHP producers have many masters (and sub genres) to serve, so that it is near impossible to make everybody happy. You produce films that you believe will bring you the most success. I respect that. I have praised films on this forum that I believe hit my sweet spot regarding superheroine humiliation. I just believe that the genre of superheroine humiliation is an underserved niche in superheroine peril. Perhaps I am wrong, who knows.

[Heroine Addict]

A lot of it may come down to comfort zone of the customer base and the comfort zone of most performers. Bear in mind that any actor or actress has to imagine the situation of the character they're playing. And if the script calls for relentless distress, performing that for several hours is going to take its toll. This isn't comparable to a TV or movie actress getting a ton of cash for a realistic performance. We're talking about a fetish model getting a few hundred bucks to shoot a script she probably saw for the first time when she arrived at the studio.

In that position, "The villain gives your character a potion (or some other MacGuffin) and you start fucking wildly" sounds like an easier direction to give to a fetish model than "The villain is going to rape your character and I want you to really express the agony and violation." I'm just saying the latter is a much bigger ask. Even if the model specializes in those sort of darker fantasies, the work of conveying distress over several hours is a lot more involved than a vanilla fuck.

And then there's the issue of the market for more hardcore stuff. If producers aren't making something, what could the reasons be?:
Maybe the extra expense of hiring willing models isn't offset by increased sales figures?
Maybe it actually takes a lot longer to shoot, pushing up the expense?
Maybe going too dark could cause problems with card processors and hosting services?
Maybe most producers just aren't interested in going there?

I'm personally at the lighter and campier end of the scale. "Oh no! I can't resist the Orgazma Gas!" is my preference. However, I'm just pointing out that lighter and darker videos are not equal in terms of what's required of the talent. So it may not necessarily be true to say that "in most cases it is free" to add extra humiliation.

[KnightsofGotham.com]

Again this was not meant as an attack on the poster.
For some reason some people feel that producers shouldn't address the members of this forum unless they have their tongue way up that persons ass and this was meant to clarify a position and guide the OP to a resolution. It may be forward speaking and straight talk but its not meant as an attack.

No worries here. I appreciate your feedback. I am aware that SHP producers have many masters (and sub genres) to serve, so that it is near impossible to make everybody happy. You produce films that you believe will bring you the most success. I respect that. I have praised films on this forum that I believe hit my sweet spot regarding superheroine humiliation. I just believe that the genre of superheroine humiliation is an underserved niche in superheroine peril. Perhaps I am wrong, who knows.

OK lets try this.
Email me at:
[email protected]

Im going to send you a script template.
use that template and write it out as if it were the perfect story.
Im going to give it a shot and you can tell me how we did. I will then put it up for sale.
if it bombs you will know that there just isn't a market for that right now.

[Doctor Outcome]

My personal preference is seeing the Heroine forced to Orgasm in her tights, with no actual Nudity.

Hear hear.

(Or is it here here? I could never get it pinned down.)

You got it right the first time, Omega.

[batgirl1969]

I go back again to the forced orgasm...while bound and gagged in full costume with maybe her costume cut to expose those most vital parts... until the heroine either passes out or just spasms over and over

What is it about the forced orgasm we love so much? Why is that such a primo ending for her? Also she needs to be given the money shot....thats the icing on the cake of defeat!

[coulumbia]

First of all to "Knights of Gotham" GREAT insight about how fans could and should express their yeas and nays about what is being produced. NOBODY likes to hear only negatives... and w/o providing possible solutions it's a wasted effort to complain. BTW... that applies to more than just critiquing a fetish production (I work in mainstream productions and it kills me when I'm sent any negative reactions by clients or associates w/o any offerings about how to correct what "they" don't like).

And to Batgirl1969... I think the Forced Orgasm is simply the epitome of showing control and dominance over another person.... even if your goal is to please them... another person is controlling their "fate". I happen to think FO on a bound person (male or female) is a fantasy by many... and a simple desire by many more. I ain't no expert... only know what I like to see.

[shevek]

Really interesting conversations here. I agree with EvilDaria that the costume is the key. It is the armor (defensive protection) and the power (to launch a good fight), the object (personified desire, acted upon) and the agent (moving in it makes the wearer feel masterful, desire is projected outward). That's why you have a brilliant comic like Empowered which examines those tropes in detail. All of that is wrapped up in the fetish, which makes it more complicated and interesting than just BDSM. BDSM is great (I now own all the issues of Sunstone, which is beautiful almost beyond belief) but normally takes place in a secluded situation, away from prying eyes in a dungeon, or in a fetish club where everyone's in on the kink. But the superheroine is a public figure, she does her exploits in public and can be humiliated (sexually or otherwise) in front of any number of people. Manipulation of public displays of power is one thing that's thrilling about the genre, whether in comics or live action. And one element of the power that the heroine has is her sexual power..however you slice it, a transformation (whether magical like Wonder Woman's or scientific like She-Hulk's) is a metaphor for orgasm. Recent adult-targeted comics like Sex Criminals and The Discipline are a commentary on this.

Hope that wasn't too postmodernist for everyone.

[Johanna]

I have the opposite opinion; it's not easy to find superheroine peril media that doesn't focus on the softcore bdsm/sex side and not on the hardcore torture side (I acknowledge that this is more niche kink than the softcore kink.).

[WonderKenna]

I have the opposite opinion; it's not easy to find superheroine peril media that doesn't focus on the softcore bdsm/sex side and not on the hardcore torture side (I acknowledge that this is more niche kink than the softcore kink.).

[Bronson881]

I like if there is a good plot and the superheroine puts up a good fight or resists before surrendering.

[TIEnTEEZ]

I have the opposite opinion; it's not easy to find superheroine peril media that doesn't focus on the softcore bdsm/sex side and not on the hardcore torture side (I acknowledge that this is more niche kink than the softcore kink.).

You know we love you WonderKenna. But I don't consider the stuff you do to be really hardcore torture. At least, that's not predominantly what you do. There are a few videos where you do this, but most of your stuff is Forced O's and humilition, which is great and I love it. But I think what Johanna might be talking about is really extreme stuff like needles and whipping and nippled clamps and stuff like that. Your stuff is more sexual and I think Johanna is talking more about the really violent stuff.

[WonderKenna]

I have the opposite opinion; it's not easy to find superheroine peril media that doesn't focus on the softcore bdsm/sex side and not on the hardcore torture side (I acknowledge that this is more niche kink than the softcore kink.).

You know we love you WonderKenna. But I don't consider the stuff you do to be really hardcore torture. At least, that's not predominantly what you do. There are a few videos where you do this, but most of your stuff is Forced O's and humilition, which is great and I love it. But I think what Johanna might be talking about is really extreme stuff like needles and whipping and nippled clamps and stuff like that. Your stuff is more sexual and I think Johanna is talking more about the really violent stuff.

Ahhh, I see.

On Savage Tales we are slowly going more into very rough sex, spanking, slapping, choking, whipping, nipple clamps and similar, I don't think we will go as far as needles, caning, and things of that type.

We are just gauging how our rougher scenes do and where the limit is. If they don't perform well we will just drop the Savage Tales Content all together and continue with just Darkside

[Johanna]

I have the opposite opinion; it's not easy to find superheroine peril media that doesn't focus on the softcore bdsm/sex side and not on the hardcore torture side (I acknowledge that this is more niche kink than the softcore kink.).

You know we love you WonderKenna. But I don't consider the stuff you do to be really hardcore torture. At least, that's not predominantly what you do. There are a few videos where you do this, but most of your stuff is Forced O's and humilition, which is great and I love it. But I think what Johanna might be talking about is really extreme stuff like needles and whipping and nippled clamps and stuff like that. Your stuff is more sexual and I think Johanna is talking more about the really violent stuff.

Even that's still quite mild; I mean really heavy duty stuff like the rack or electro shocks; genuine torture techniques that are designed to cause extreme suffering. One of my top superheroine fantasies is to imagine myself as someone like Power Girl strapped to something like that electro torture device that Darth Vader used on Han Solo in the Empire Strikes Back.

[TIEnTEEZ]

I have the opposite opinion; it's not easy to find superheroine peril media that doesn't focus on the softcore bdsm/sex side and not on the hardcore torture side (I acknowledge that this is more niche kink than the softcore kink.).

You know we love you WonderKenna. But I don't consider the stuff you do to be really hardcore torture. At least, that's not predominantly what you do. There are a few videos where you do this, but most of your stuff is Forced O's and humilition, which is great and I love it. But I think what Johanna might be talking about is really extreme stuff like needles and whipping and nippled clamps and stuff like that. Your stuff is more sexual and I think Johanna is talking more about the really violent stuff.

Even that's still quite mild; I mean really heavy duty stuff like the rack or electro shocks; genuine torture techniques that are designed to cause extreme suffering. One of my top superheroine fantasies is to imagine myself as someone like Power Girl strapped to something like that electro torture device that Darth Vader used on Han Solo in the Empire Strikes Back.

I can understand the appeal of those kinds of videos. But you won't find a lot of them. It's a pretty small niche, I think because most people don't consider that kind of stuff really sexual. I also think you'd have trouble selling it. I'm pretty sure a lot of the big sites like Clips4Sale won't deal in anything too extreme.

Having said that, it would be interesting to see that sort of thing once in a while. I actually have a scene along these lines in a custom I got from Cali Logan a while back. One of the Cyberkat videos. It's not like the Han solo scene, but it's all pain and torture. Probably still not extreme enough for what you have in mind.

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[Johanna]

I know my kink is a niche of a niche; the sexual turn on for me comes from the peril being a genuine threat/danger in place of a mainstream bdsm game in superhero costumes.

[veggifriedweiss]

I am amazed that only the Knights of Gotham producer and two other posters (Heroine Addict and one other) actually answered the original poster's question. And Knights of Gotham, I have to say, pitched to the man's clearly expressed desires in a short, clear way. I would have appreciated that had I been him.

I prefer at least 1/3 sexual humiliation. But a part of me is grateful for any at all, because I came of age in 1986, and that was the year producers began not showing sex and "violence" against women in the same video. Except for ZFX, they held firm on that rule for almost 20 years, until Kink really broke things open.

I gotta say, I felt like such a freak having to 'get off' on simply capture and bondage scenarios, because that was all there was. It's much more fulfilling to be able to express this as a fully sexual fantasy.

[DrDominator9]

Protracted strangulation scenes and brutal continuous crotch punches seem to be the only "hard" torture scenes commonly found in Superheroine peril videos. And I'm guessing even that doesn't ring Johanna's bell.

I'll tell you, it's sure a lot easier to write such scenes than to try to film them. And even then you won't find the kind of brutality you're looking for, Johanna. Even in the Dungeon section here. PM me though and we can discuss a commission story.