What is hard/dark superheroine peril?

[HeroineFanboy]

To kick off this new area of the message board with (hopefully) an interesting and appropriate topic, what are you looking for in a darker superheroine peril video? What makes it "hard" or "dark" for you?

[batgirl1969]

This sounds like my kind of place!

[Rye]

This is not an easy question to answer just because there are to many fun situations to put a superheroine in... I should also add that I go through phases so one week I might be looking for A but next week its B or C..

Let me give this some thought and come back :twisted:

[Imagineer]

I think it's more honest or at least more pertinent to start with why we're here, and not in the next room over.

That is, what is it that the folks in the other room think is off-topic there? What do we not bother them with? Seems to me that "peril vs porn" is what triggered the grand opening here, and so this would be the place for the blatantly sexual elements, for starters.

Or to appropriate Rye brands, this is the Punished Heroines room, and the other room is Steel Cinema.

What else don't the "pure peril" folks like? Is this the island of misfit toys? Have I misinterpreted the divergence?

[Rye]

Hehe well I think something that a lot fans of adult heroine content can agree on is that we do like to have well thought out peril in our stories in addition to the sexual conquest of the superheroine tied together in one package.

Though this is the "dungeon" I still like to see how the heroine ended up in such a place before their own personal hell begins.

Getting back to the original post:
I am always a sucker for a Doomsday style villain that gets so strong the heroine may as well be powerless.

[batgirl1969]

To kick off this new area of the message board with (hopefully) an interesting and appropriate topic, what are you looking for in a darker superheroine peril video? What makes it "hard" or "dark" for you?

Tentacles...penetration..kryptonite insertions...superheroine full nudity......stripping and humiliation......



And...your stories will be much more at home here. 8)

You guys really know the way to a girl's heart! I LUV this subforum....cant wait to have my mind blown!

Maybe I should become a villainess instead....."Terrible Tina"

[HeroineFanboy]

Just to throw this out there, I think the main distinction I've observed between the "others" - LOL - as Destro referred to them - and those who would choose to frequent this sub-forum is that fans in the main forum seem to prefer a story where the heroine indeed gets into a tight spot, but nonetheless emerges victorious; whereas, folks like us, I surmise, prefer a story where the heroine gets into a tight spot, but may not emerge at all.

Put more bluntly, what I personally categorize as "dark" or "hard" superheroine peril is the stuff put out by a site like Superheroine's Demise in its heyday, where the whole theme (hence the title) was that the superheroine ain't gonna make it. Not to say that I necessarily want the heroine to "die," but rather, I want to see her heroic spirit broken in some way. Whether that's accomplished by a brutal beatdown, sexual assault, or the heroine running for the hills with her tail between her legs - I'm impartial. (In fact, I would be a happy camper if a video ended with a heroine having her spirit crushed without any physical or sexual assault at all - accomplished purely through the villain's pyschological manipulations. I especially see this being effective when the heroine's secret identity is compromised in some fashion.)

Although tentacles are also fun too . . . :-)

[Ninja J.]

I guess this thread is asking what we all prefer in a superheroine peril vid. I think of it this way, "What would Lex Luthor really do if he could capture Wonder Woman?" Now who the villain and heroine are and how the heroine is captured is subject to change but I would imagine if some villain captured their mostly hated nemesis they would want to make them pay and have horrible tortures planned for them.

I really prefer a cute innocent kind-hearted heroine being defeated and then tortured and humiliated in despicable ways often times sexually by the most evil villain. The villain may be interrogating her or he can just torture her to be a dick. He can punch the heroine or rub goo on her, anything that hurts her to fulfill the torture aspect. Then to humiliate her he touches her in a sexual manner and perhaps even strips her or just exposes her. The villain could even bring out a vibrator for a good ole time, as long as she is humiliated in some way and she doesn't like it. She's not supposed to be that kind of gal.

To really push the envelope the heroine is then violated because the heroine is hot and the villain wants to punish her in the most horrific way he can think of and figures, "Hey why not?" (Simulated sex is just fine) Then the heroine is killed off after she is tortured and humiliated and defeated by the villain to fulfill his revenge.

Thats the forumula I mostly like. The heroine death is probably as "dark" as it can go. I kinda liked how SHC did a "heroine lives" ending and a "heroine dies" ending. I prefer a death but sometimes the scene is stupid and I end up just watching the "happy" ending. I am definitely not a fan of blood though. Please no blood. A little out the mouth I guess is ok but I don't want a bloody mess from a SAW movie.

[ttb51m]

that batgirl poser picture is right up my alley it has EVERYTHING absolutly perfect

thats what im looking for in my superheroines ,a unitard uniform, some pantyhose and a bad guy to make things happen. i am all for a fight some abuse and beatdowns, humiliation, mental torture and then forced molesting and sex and so many orgasms they are delerious and too weak to fight back but still try only to get it more harder and worse ;P

i guess this is the place for this sort of discussion

i have never seen but always thought it would be cool to see a unitard with one leg of the material ripped away and some sheer pantyhose underneath with one bra cup torn away and a tit hanging out with some super villians just going at batgirl or better yet spiderwoman, has anyone ever created that or seen it?

[superbabesrsluts]

I agree about the 'happy endings' in these stories. I really don't like them either and they can ruin stories for me. :-D

I don't want the heroines to die... I just want them to be finally defeated somehow. Maybe they're hypnotized and forced to become villains :twisted: Or an unmasking threat or unmasking trap,hell yes. :twisted:

I agree that these stories are 'what if's?' and not part of any real canon. They're just meant to satisfy a sexual fantasy. So Supergirl and Batgirl can lose a million times and it's fine. :mrgreen:

I also enjoy forced sex but not anything overly sadistic or violent.

[swampy170]

Personally I'd say the difference between light/soft and hard/dark peril as being that there is no happy ending with hard peril.

At the end the superheroine is either utterly defeated or dead - the SHC multiple endings would be a good example of defining the difference.


What I'd like to see? - Strict bondage, and the use of superpowers in the peril would be awesome - that and pretty much everything else named above

[ttb51m]

hey destro

no way!!!!!!! you are right on track, the breast thing is just an extra, just a little skin against the colors
, i have seen his work on wizards site, he does have the nylon thing down for sure, like i said i think the whole thing is really cool the spandex and hose and peril whats not to like, that is awesome of you to offer, i am not picky in the least i just thought it would look cool to see.

[EvilBilly]

I would definitely rank myself among those who like the 'extreme' dark ending... Where the heroine dies after being de-powered/defeated. Just because she dies in one video doesn't mean she can't be brought back in another. I also don't like a ton of blood, but some is OK.

[PoisonIvy]

WONDERFUL!!!! I am so glad that we finally have this extra area here in the dark to call our own! Its like a little Injustice League headquarters! Anyways, my bubbling over excitment aside, I am very happy to finally have a place like this. I LOVE this genre, in its entirety, but over the years we have all noticed the difference in our likes and dislikes. Everyone shares this common fetish, but we all also have smaller fetishes that cling along with it, from over the shoulder carrys to chlorophorm, nylons, bondage and corruption, the list goes on. Its even more apprant here, especially when someone asks what type of movie they should do, and we end up with a thousand different ideas and fetishes. This is the reason I love the idea of the dark corner so much, becuase I feel that with our many differences that divide the genre, the "good ending" softcore fans and the "bad ending" hardcore fans have the biggest gap.
I for one, cant stand to be reading a story and have the heroine escape in the end. I have to skip to the end of any story I read, and discover the fate of the heroine before I start, or risk having the rug pulled out from under me just when the story gets good. I have ran across a lot of people who feel the same way in roleplay, who want the scene to end in a "cliffhanger" like the old batman series, or want to escape! Perish the thought! I am here n this genre becuase I want to see the things that DIDNT happen in the comics happen, Supergirl getting turned into a slave, wonder woman sexually tortured by the nazis, and batgirl reaching into that belt and this time NOT finding the one thing she needs to escape.
Sorry for the short novel I just wrote, but I look forward to finally seeing some of the stuff we all want to see without fear of rejection or objection.
Also, BATGIRL1969, is you are serious about becoming evil, I am always looking for a sidekick. We redheads need to stick together, and You would look wonderful at my feet and in green! Toodles everyone. XOXOXOXO Ivy

[batgirl1969]

PoisonIvy....I would need some of this dark material performed on me to "condition" me to a villain...may be hard and painful in the process but probably very sexy too!

[Imagineer]

Bummer. I was afraid that this would just become the "heroine must lose" room and not simply the "sexual elements are not crappy" room. "Peril vs porn" wasn't about winning vs losing.

Heroine always losing is just as boring as heroine always winning is just as boring as heroine never enjoys/succumbs to sex is just as boring as heroine always gets restrained and never really tries to escape (or do anything but fight or writhe).

Hard/dark superheroine peril should be about being UNbound, not just rallying around a different specific ruleset.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Punished Heroines canon, but I enjoy a lot of things. What I really hate is measuring the worth of everything by proscriptions. Yeah, this genre has some hard lines -- pantyhose yes/no, sex yes/no, willing yes/no, lose yes/no -- sexual/intellectual turn-offs are probably more powerful than turn-ons. And yeah, it's important to producers that they understand those lines and how much joy/money is to be had or excluded for any given venture.

But can we not be so quick to orient the room on one side of one line?

Let it be about the thrill of the journey more than the certainty of the destination.

[PoisonIvy]

Excellent! So Batgirl private message me and we can get started on your conversion. Maybe well even post it for everyone to enjoy when were done. I have some nice ideas for you... Talk soon I hope. BTW how do you look in green? Xoxoxoxo Ivy

[HeroineFanboy]

@Imagineer - I don't think everyone's trying to devise a new rulebook for hardcore heroine peril, but it just so happens that a lot of use like the heroine losing. That being said, I understand where you're coming from and that's why I started this thread. I don't think hardcore heroine peril has to be restricted to a particular rulebook and I agree that the heroine can triumph just as often as she fails. Although I do have a preference in this area, what's ultimately important to me is that the restraints are taken off in some way, as you explained.

[EvilBilly]

I feel that everyone is going to have a different set of tastes, even within narrower aspects of this fetish. For example, I don't care for the sim rape, but I don't mind sim (or real) consensual sex. I would also accept that dark peril not only results in the heroine's death, but also that of the villain (at the heroine's hands) or even the heroine turning evil.

[Imagineer]

Destro187 -- you mean like you just did? And you just proved me point, thanks! *hugs*
EvilBilly -- consensual sex, heroine turning evil? yes please!

[abswonder]

Hi..well i do not know exactly whether i belong to punished heroine or steel cinema genre...its for you all to decide....i just want to put forward my defination of dark superheroine films and want to know what u think about it.....well to start with i like my superherine to be ultra cocky....by ultra cocky i mean ....lets say if i throw 100 puches to her body....after first 10 hits she throws a cocky line...i give her another set of brutal beating....she starts bleeding from the corner of her mouth...again she opens hher smart mouth and starts mocking the villian....a smirk comes across her face.....i slap her around a few times....she falls downs....mones for sometimes...gets up on her ass...her hair covering one side of her face....she swings it to the other side.....still bleeding from her mouth.....looking sexy....pain visible on her face.....and finally says......"thats all u can do?".....and a slutty smile comes across her face....the villian gets pissed....starts hitting her nether region with some blunt object....she starts bleedind down ther.....dripping down her thighs......she opens her smart mouth again......more pain visible on her face.....the villian gives her a few back breakers on the knees......starts caressing her....she says something again.....he gets more angry and starts fucking her with that blunt object....but in the she does something.....maybe while getting fucked....she finds a nail....and shoves it into vilians stomach.....somehow with that object inside.......she crawls away.......by the time the vilian has regained his composure...the babe is gone......next scene....she at her home....medicating herself while planning revenge.......and so is the vilian......let me know what u think

[abswonder]

Sorrry...if i've used a bit of explicit language....my english is a bit weak...not great vocabs.....i hope all of u understand

[DevilMan38]

Hehe well I think something that a lot fans of adult heroine content can agree on is that we do like to have well thought out peril in our stories in addition to the sexual conquest of the superheroine tied together in one package.

+1!

And tentacles are good too :mrgreen:

[rb9]

I'm not personally a fan of the content here but I read through this thread and thought I would offer my two cents. Since it seems that a lot of people here know what they want but find it hard to pinpoint or articulate.

I think what separates this forum is heroine abuse. I.e. seeing a heroine in physically or psychologically DEstructive situations and being unable to escape. This could include being brought to forced pleasure, stripped of clothing, or powers, etc. The endpoint of this depends on the person. Some like seeing the process. Others like seeing the heroine defeated, unable to be a heroine anymore. Others like seeing her dead.

I think the process is where this differs - not on the outcome. For one, the distinction of "good girls escaping" isn't one I think ALWAYS applies to the "others." At least, it doesn't apply to me. I find bad ends hot. I think usually it might apply, just by nature of the videos here.

[Ninja J.]

I too find "bad" endings hot, but they don't need to be a staple in every peril vid. Personally, I loved Super Heroine Central's good and bad endings. A "happy ending" doesn't have to mean the heroine defeats the villain. It could just be the heroine, after being beaten and ravaged of course, simply NOT dying, having escaped death to fight another day. That's why they are called, quote on quote, happy endings. Similarly, a bad ending doesn't have to end with a heroine death. A bad ending could just end with a heroine's horrible defeat.

[superbabesrsluts]

The losing ending of the Green Specter story "Greatest Show on Earth" was just awesome. :twisted: (as was the whole story!) That's the kind of losing ending I enjoy.

[rostername9]

Chance of converting the Hero (If Villianess based) or Heroine into something evil, or the chance or certain death.

[jpc900]

It is a difficult judgement to make when considering the content for such a section . The definition of "harder" will be interpreted according to each contributors personal taste and values , what is blatently violent or pornographic to one individual may only be titilating or erotic to another .
In my own case I find the mere suggestion that a powerful heroine can be weakened and made helpless in some way much more erotic than the acts of sexual aggression or worse favoured by others .
I do not beleive the content should be overly censored but must avoid the most severe scenarios such as the involvement of minors or very extreme violence , not only not to offend but also to protect the forum from possible regulatory issues .

[Mr. Pantyhose Lover]

Say,I'd like to see a superheroine recieve a brutal beatdown in her shiny sheer to waist pantyhosed feet by two 6'2" 215 lb supervillainesses also in their shiny sheer to waist pantyhosed feet. From there,I'd really love to see the superheroine get her head ripped off by one of the 6'2" 215 lb supervillainesses. Now wouldn't that be so cool ?

[faustmonkey]

The extent of my "darkness" is probably superheroine death -- but usually only as an alternative to freeze or chloro or robot (with eyes open, robot and freeze aren't much different than necro). As some others have said here, I think blood, gore and any skin-piercing violence tends to deviate a little from the superheroine genre (though I'm not judging). I'm assuming a lot of supes fetish fans came into it from reading comics and watching TV, so these all seem to be variants of the "heroine in peril" plot or the "powerful woman is powerless" plot. I enjoy a wide variety of power fantasies, even fictionalized death, but as soon as the guts start flying, it turns into something else.

[sharon-in-peril]

Lured unsuspectingly into coming alone to a secluded or secret lair …. tricked into a situation where there can be no back up, either signal-proof lead walls, or a yards-thick mountain hideaway …. the villain keeping her / my attention, whilst some deranged genetically modified monstrosity sneaks up …. wrapping arms like tree trunks around my waist … the bear hug from hell!

and absolutely no way to get out of it … the villain and genetics genius laughing uncontrollably at my fretful struggles …. I look into dead, lifeless eyes as the grip just slowly continues to tighten …

That is my idea of hard / dark

[bgrhugs]

Lured unsuspectingly into coming alone to a secluded or secret lair …. tricked into a situation where there can be no back up, either signal-proof lead walls, or a yards-thick mountain hideaway …. the villain keeping her / my attention, whilst some deranged genetically modified monstrosity sneaks up …. wrapping arms like tree trunks around my waist … the bear hug from hell!

and absolutely no way to get out of it … the villain and genetics genius laughing uncontrollably at my fretful struggles …. I look into dead, lifeless eyes as the grip just slowly continues to tighten …

That is my idea of hard / dark

Ha ha Sharon..That sounds like a normal day for me...... Nothing better than hugging a heroine for a lengthy time as she is powerless to get out

[ksire_99]

hard/dark

[sharon-in-peril]

"A lengthy time"?

…. Is that a euphemism for 'It will end you"?

[bgrhugs]

"A lengthy time"?

…. Is that a euphemism for 'It will end you"?

Yep!! Sorry......

[EvilDaria]

First you show an already powerful heroine facing an even more powerful foe, one that might beat her. She almost wins but fails. Her M.O. has been "No Mercy" and now her enemies show her none. Any "dark" beat down has to show wounds and convincing injuries. Any "dark" bondage has to be of the 'Hunter's Lair' level of intensity, with 'Dungeon Corp' levels of torture and humiliation. It also has to be fatal. The "darker" the better, but she has to die at the end.

[decendingskulls]

...Hard/dark superheroine peril should be about being UNbound, not just rallying around a different specific ruleset...

..Let it be about the thrill of the journey more than the certainty of the destination...

I'm totally with you on this

First of all I for one love videos that end with the heroine's demise. I don't like gore or blood really , but I do love the demise endings . For me it's such a turn on because as poison ivy said on this thread, I'm here to see the things that are "not supposed to happen", and as everyone knows, the hero is definitely not supposed to die. I'm such a big fan of demise endings that I'm an obsessive collector of them. I'll point-blank buy just about any video where the heroine dies

But as you stated, doing the same different thing every time causes it to lose some of it's power, turning it into something almost as predictable as the thing it was rebelling against in the first place

Ideally the heroine should win sometimes and lose other times. As a fan of heroine demise endings, having the heroine prevail sometimes goes a long way to establishing the "what should happen" of her universe , which makes her inevitable defeat that much more moving . Also, even if she dies, she can be reincarnated or replaced by a new heroine. That's the wonderful thing about fiction

I think the issue becomes when - as a producer - you come to the point where you're making a movie, and you can't predict the success of it, you can justify planning and funding an entire series with such wins and losses, and every movie you make is a money gamble where you're trying to make something that will sell to your target audience, so you make sure to include the things you know your target audience came for so you don't lose them.

One of the ways around this dilemma is to make movies that have alternate winning AND losing endings, like SHC used to do, and like NGC has been doing more recently. I'm told it's more expensive to produce films with two endings, but probably not by very much. I like this tactic because it allows me to experience the feelings of the "what should have happened" hero victory as well as the guilty pleasure of the "how it could go wrong" hero defeat. This tactic probably wouldn't cut it for everyone thought because once again it's predictable.

Obviously I don't have the magic bullet here, but you are on to something

[sharon-in-peril]

…. Or maybe a gang of villains with a long thick rope looped once around my middle …..and they play a deadly game of 'tug-o-war' with me …

…. ohmy ….

[Zeta Clark]

What would constitute a dark video for me? I would say poor lighting quality. If the lighting is lackluster, the entire video is just way too dark in my opinion. Hehe.

Honestly though, “dark” to me is just another way of saying “naughty”. In my stories, I feel that it’s about letting the characters (hero and villain) cut loose and showing us what they are capable of fully doing. It’s about showing us what happens whenever a scene supposedly “goes-to-black” or “cuts to the next one”. It’s about acting on those innuendos that have tantalized us and tease us in a standard mainstream stories. Ultimately, I feel that “dark” is about letting us fulfill an otherwise forbidden adult fantasy.

When it comes to hard super heroine fiction though, I most often relate with the heroine. As such, I’m always hoping she remains heroic and survives the ordeal in the end. It’s probably the influence of the Wonder Woman television show, because Diana always managed to win after each peril-filled episode. She always seemed more heroic coming back again the following week to deal with another peril. As such, it seemed that she had a lot more to lose if she ever did fail the peril. That was extremely sexy.