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First, glad to see this is finally about to be released... just wondering, why can't this be released all at once instead of 6 parts? Also, this must be really good for just under $90.00
Can't wait!!!
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Have to agree with you on this, that is a little bit much. I know there are a lot of production costs, etc. going into it, but that is quite a bit of coin...Blx wrote:I'm sorry. I love CC and her work. I really do, but I'm not gonna pay 90$ for a video.
That's probably why it will be released in 6 parts, so it's not $90 all at once. Bear in mind this is a much more ambitious project than the typical video we see in this genre. It may not end up being feasible for her to produce this kind of project as an ongoing thing, but give Christina credit that she is trying to push the envelope on quality and production values, and that isn't free, for her, or for us.
Here, here. If its 6 bits that's only 15 bucks per part, same as most vids, so what's the problem?
Quality is worth paying for and no one has to buy it straight away, save up and make it a Christmas present (or a Christina present!) to yourself
I think such enterprises should be supported as it raises the standard and if it sells well can ultimately lead to better quality at cheaper prices in the long term.
I accept its a lot in one go but you are getting a lot for the money - Paris AND CC plus lovely co stars, good effects and from what I've seen on the trailer good photography, plot camera angles and a score by a professional. And whilst SH fans may not buy a vid for any of those specifics (other than the actresses) per se, collectively I think it makes for something interesting , exciting and ultimately worth the cost, and such effort should be applauded.
But that's just mho.
But wait for some reviews if anyone is undecided.
Quality is worth paying for and no one has to buy it straight away, save up and make it a Christmas present (or a Christina present!) to yourself
I think such enterprises should be supported as it raises the standard and if it sells well can ultimately lead to better quality at cheaper prices in the long term.
I accept its a lot in one go but you are getting a lot for the money - Paris AND CC plus lovely co stars, good effects and from what I've seen on the trailer good photography, plot camera angles and a score by a professional. And whilst SH fans may not buy a vid for any of those specifics (other than the actresses) per se, collectively I think it makes for something interesting , exciting and ultimately worth the cost, and such effort should be applauded.
But that's just mho.
But wait for some reviews if anyone is undecided.
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I concur with tallyho's sentiments. Admitedly, I'm frustrated that the release of the video always seems to be near, only to have another unexpected setback push it back again...but Rome wasn't built in a day... and this video definitely breaks the mold of its predecessors... I have to assume this project brought on numerous unexpected challenges...as evidenced by the initial release date...which was six months ago!
That said, CC has obviously put in a lot of work and effort into this video...and if you break down the cost of the video on a per minute basis...
the video is approximately 90 minutes in length...so $1 per minute....is actually a bargain when you consider that other SH videos often charge a similar rate... for amateur quality work.... Not only is this video produced with professional quality and EXCELLENT actresses/models, it also RAISES THE BAR...even by CC's standards...
That said, CC has obviously put in a lot of work and effort into this video...and if you break down the cost of the video on a per minute basis...
the video is approximately 90 minutes in length...so $1 per minute....is actually a bargain when you consider that other SH videos often charge a similar rate... for amateur quality work.... Not only is this video produced with professional quality and EXCELLENT actresses/models, it also RAISES THE BAR...even by CC's standards...
$90 is a absurd amount to pay for any video, no matter how great quality or hyped up it is. That's a bit greedy in my opinion and asking for it to be pirated; being it might be out of budget for most superhorine fans. For the CC and the movie's sake hopefully i'm wrong and it sells well at that crazy price. Only time will tell.
A top cast, production, location, editing......all cost money. It seems logical the cost is higher.
I have paid $30 for trash before on clips4sale, so no complaints.
You know what you are getting with CC. Having had a recent high production custom with her lately i personally appreciate the quality.
Plus, its split into six parts. You can just pic the elements you want.
No different from choosing any other movie.
Fans talk about raising the bar........well, there is a financlai implication of that.
I have paid $30 for trash before on clips4sale, so no complaints.
You know what you are getting with CC. Having had a recent high production custom with her lately i personally appreciate the quality.
Plus, its split into six parts. You can just pic the elements you want.
No different from choosing any other movie.
Fans talk about raising the bar........well, there is a financlai implication of that.
But if you are buying it in parts you don't have to spend $90 so what's the issue? It's just like a 6 part serial- Christina's Catseye Diamond is in several parts- again great production values and great cast. You can by them all which comes to a fair chunk of cash or the ones that suit you. This film is no different. I've no doubt there will be something to titillate in all parts.notna wrote:$90 is a absurd amount to pay for any video, no matter how great quality or hyped up it is. That's a bit greedy in my opinion and asking for it to be pirated; being it might be out of budget for most superhorine fans. For the CC and the movie's sake hopefully i'm wrong and it sells well at that crazy price. Only time will tell.
Yes $ 90 in one go is fair bit to part with but if you can buy it a bit at a time its no different to buying 6 clips financially.
$1 per minute is fairly normal from what I've seen. If its a long film it adds up, but its still not a lot when you consider you are paying to see the actresses sexually 'assaulted' as it were in the context of the story.
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Agreed! $1/minute seems to be a fair price for this genre, and you know that CC is going to make something really high quality. Actually, I'd pay significantly more than $90 for a high-quality version of my favorite scenario of all time (Wonder Woman vs. Zardor). If anyone doesn't want to spend much money on this genre, that's perfectly cool. But as I have noted before, I'll happily give away plenty of cash for a production that gives me what I want.powerman wrote:A top cast, production, location, editing......all cost money. It seems logical the cost is higher.
I have paid $30 for trash before on clips4sale, so no complaints.
You know what you are getting with CC. Having had a recent high production custom with her lately i personally appreciate the quality.
Plus, its split into six parts. You can just pic the elements you want.
No different from choosing any other movie.
Fans talk about raising the bar........well, there is a financlai implication of that.
notna wrote:$90 is a absurd amount to pay for any video, no matter how great quality or hyped up it is. That's a bit greedy in my opinion and asking for it to be pirated; being it might be out of budget for most superhorine fans. For the CC and the movie's sake hopefully i'm wrong and it sells well at that crazy price. Only time will tell.
But again, that's why it will be sold in 6 parts and it is the going rate which people pay for much less quality work. You can't ask to raise the bar and also lower the price because everyone who works on this expects to be paid for their time - don't you expect to be paid for yours when you work?
Nobody has to participate who doesn't want to, but again, the price is par for the course when looking at the average 15-minute clip and thinking of it as a serial that combines into one story but where each chapter can be its own experience.
Think of it as paying hamburger prices and getting steak for your money. You could buy one part each week and get it in increments, enjoy each part and in the end have the whole movie.
As with anything else in life, those who want it will step up, and it's all good!
i agree with most of the posts. that's too much! i might actually pay a lot more for some videos if there were actual villains. what i'm getting tired of more than anything is all the woman on woman. i'm not into that anyway. it's becoming more and more like they have there own little lesbian club for woman and they're doing videos for their own pleasure, instead of trying to please the guys ( straight guys at that ). as much as i like christina carter and as much as i have bought of hers, i haven't bought anything lately and i don't know what i can buy in the future. they just keep rehashing the same stuff. i'm not so much mad as dissapointed. they still look so great. mike.
Well the problem with bad guys is either the producer or his pals are the bad buys (which usually results in someone who looks like a pizza delivery guy) or you have to hire someone to be the bad guy. The problem there is you'll spend a fair amount of money on a nicety that may or may not boost sales since these videos are almost ALWAYS about the woman. A real good looking bad guy could be as much as the model and maybe 80% of your buyers aren't buying the video for the bad guy.
The other problem is not every model will work with a strange guy. Some do work with men but some prefer other women. So you're also limited by what the model will do. Lastly there is just some content that can't be done in videos or models won't do like blatant r.pe material.
Now maybe one thing producers might want to consider is turning to the porn industry and perhaps hiring a porn couple (husband and wife) and have them play heroine and villain. There are couples out there. In fact I'm surprised vendors don't use more porn girls. Now as a vendor I did have some issues with them but its really about finding a good girl like anything else. And everyone I have worked with loved working with me because they didn't have to have sex. One girl kept demanding we do another and another climax scene. Kind of cool hearing the model say "can we do another climax scene"
The other problem is not every model will work with a strange guy. Some do work with men but some prefer other women. So you're also limited by what the model will do. Lastly there is just some content that can't be done in videos or models won't do like blatant r.pe material.
Now maybe one thing producers might want to consider is turning to the porn industry and perhaps hiring a porn couple (husband and wife) and have them play heroine and villain. There are couples out there. In fact I'm surprised vendors don't use more porn girls. Now as a vendor I did have some issues with them but its really about finding a good girl like anything else. And everyone I have worked with loved working with me because they didn't have to have sex. One girl kept demanding we do another and another climax scene. Kind of cool hearing the model say "can we do another climax scene"
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Dont think of it as ninety dollars for a video, think of it as 90 dollars for the series?
Truth is truth, compare around at the clips for sale website and a dollar a minute is the going rate for stuff.
I think it was a smart move to break it up into smaller part to make it AFFORDABLE to the buyers like yourself.
I think it was also a good thing, so that you can look at the entire length and decide which parts most appeal to you and pick up those as a priority. If you dont like the first clip you like, youre not obligated to pick up any more.
It's good content, for 'average' rates, and if you were going to ask for a custom video for something like this, you'd pay MUCH more, for MUCH less.
So get over it and be happy with what you got guys, seriously.
Truth is truth, compare around at the clips for sale website and a dollar a minute is the going rate for stuff.
I think it was a smart move to break it up into smaller part to make it AFFORDABLE to the buyers like yourself.
I think it was also a good thing, so that you can look at the entire length and decide which parts most appeal to you and pick up those as a priority. If you dont like the first clip you like, youre not obligated to pick up any more.
It's good content, for 'average' rates, and if you were going to ask for a custom video for something like this, you'd pay MUCH more, for MUCH less.
So get over it and be happy with what you got guys, seriously.
I agree with kittenKitten wrote:Dont think of it as ninety dollars for a video, think of it as 90 dollars for the series?
Truth is truth, compare around at the clips for sale website and a dollar a minute is the going rate for stuff.
I think it was a smart move to break it up into smaller part to make it AFFORDABLE to the buyers like yourself.
I think it was also a good thing, so that you can look at the entire length and decide which parts most appeal to you and pick up those as a priority. If you dont like the first clip you like, youre not obligated to pick up any more.
It's good content, for 'average' rates, and if you were going to ask for a custom video for something like this, you'd pay MUCH more, for MUCH less.
So get over it and be happy with what you got guys, seriously.
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For those interested, part 1 is up on Christina's clips4sale store.
$90 for an hour and 45 minutes of video....I don't buy that many videos, but knowing the videos CC produces, I know that I feel fairly confident that I am going to get a really well made video. So yeah, it might sound like a large chunk of money for the movie, but given that she's spreading the 6 parts out to release at different dates, that kinda takes the 'sting' out of having to fork out that amount of coin all at once.
And as far as her, or any other model doing mostly girl on girl scenes? I don't mind that either. Look at each of the models individual web sites....They advertise themselves as fetish and/or bondage models. Not porn actresses. If all you're looking for is to see a guy shove his dick into a models pussy while she stays dressed in a superheroine costume, you're probably not going to find a lot of it around here. Sure, gals like Rachel Steele and a few others....and now even MH produce it, but they're more in the minority (IMO) when it comes to such productions. I don't know. I'm certainly not intending to belittle anyone for what they want to see in their choices of superheroine vids....but just because they are not male/female videos with the villain fucking/raping the heroine doesn't sway me from my decision on whether or not I am going to purchase it or not. There is just more I look for in the overall product then whether or not a 'villain' rapes the heroine.
And as far as her, or any other model doing mostly girl on girl scenes? I don't mind that either. Look at each of the models individual web sites....They advertise themselves as fetish and/or bondage models. Not porn actresses. If all you're looking for is to see a guy shove his dick into a models pussy while she stays dressed in a superheroine costume, you're probably not going to find a lot of it around here. Sure, gals like Rachel Steele and a few others....and now even MH produce it, but they're more in the minority (IMO) when it comes to such productions. I don't know. I'm certainly not intending to belittle anyone for what they want to see in their choices of superheroine vids....but just because they are not male/female videos with the villain fucking/raping the heroine doesn't sway me from my decision on whether or not I am going to purchase it or not. There is just more I look for in the overall product then whether or not a 'villain' rapes the heroine.
i don't see i have much to argue about here. most of what i say is my opinion or is what i like. what other people think or like is there's. but one thing i will take exception with is whoever said that all the girls are fetish models. they may be, but some also do regular porn too. or have done porn in the past. i'm not going to use names. i watch and like both. i would like to see the two mix more. porn and superheroines. so far regular porn hasn't done any kind of good job with it. they're too busy trying to please a bigger audience. if anyone wants to take exception with what i've said that's your choice. but i believe i make some good points. mike.
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One of the reasons I'm only planning on getting the later vids where it appears CC gets worked over. It's nice that you can at least choose the ones you want to get.Duran wrote:It's $90 for ONE story. I can spend $90 and get 6 stories on clips 4 sale. There needs be a lot of peril in each episode to make this worthwhile.
While I respect everyone's right to a personal opinion...I have to disagree with some of your statements ...as they appear to be slightly biased. First and foremost, CC's videos DO HAVE VILLIANS...they may not be MEN...but females are VILLIANS...as well! Second, your opinion about a 'lesbian club' with respect to making these videos for 'their own pleasure..instead of pleasing men'.... I find to be a bit ironic... considering these videos are driven by consumers who PAY for the priviledge of watching CC and other models act/perform our fantasies....If CC and her partners ENJOY making these videos.... I believe that makes her videos even MORE special than they already are... Its a well documented FACT that most 'straight' men prefer girl-girl action...to ordinary 'male-female' penetration...i.e, 'straight porn'...mikeyash wrote:i agree with most of the posts. that's too much! i might actually pay a lot more for some videos if there were actual villains. what i'm getting tired of more than anything is all the woman on woman. i'm not into that anyway. it's becoming more and more like they have there own little lesbian club for woman and they're doing videos for their own pleasure, instead of trying to please the guys ( straight guys at that ). as much as i like christina carter and as much as i have bought of hers, i haven't bought anything lately and i don't know what i can buy in the future. they just keep rehashing the same stuff. i'm not so much mad as dissapointed. they still look so great. mike.
Beyond that fact, I have to imagine CC knows her audience well... and if she believed that WE (i.e., the consumer) TRULY WANTED to see men involved in her videos...she would have gladly done so... I believe CC creates these productions with her consumers in mind...if she gains personal pleasure from making these videos...that just adds more realism to the video.... I think we ALL prefer to see "genuine orgasms' on film ... as opposed to seeing a woman fake an orgasm....If CC shares that level of true intimacy with her audience.... then she should be applauded for doing so.... and if she truly enjoys making these videos for her own pleasure (as much as most of us enjoy watching).... then she is very lucky to have a job that she actually ENJOYS... unlike so many others who do a job that they really dont take pleasure in..
We all have differences of opinion and interests.... If im not mistaken, CC takes personal requests ....which is something worth considering in your situation....
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I agree, its not like we're buying a 15min clip with sex to wack off to. We are buying a superheroine movie formost and so I think most fans are going to want to see the whole story thus making it over priced in my opinion and others too. I just feel a little put off since CC never mentioned it would be sold this way when she was pushing it in the forums. I'm not a particular producer fan boy and will buy from anyone that puts out good content at reasonable prices.Duran wrote:It's $90 for ONE story. I can spend $90 and get 6 stories on clips 4 sale. There needs be a lot of peril in each episode to make this worthwhile.
Come on, that's EXACTLY what you're buying it for! But the best part is that nobody can force you to buy if you don't want to. If you think the price will come down because you are complaining, I doubt that is gonna happen. Most who have responded seem to get that it's still the going rate by the minute. A couple of people have made repeated posts but that does not translate into "most people think it's too much".notna wrote:I agree, its not like we're buying a 15min clip with sex to wack off to. We are buying a superheroine movie formost and so I think most fans are going to want to see the whole story thus making it over priced in my opinion and others too. I just feel a little put off since CC never mentioned it would be sold this way when she was pushing it in the forums. I'm not a particular producer fan boy and will buy from anyone that puts out good content at reasonable prices.Duran wrote:It's $90 for ONE story. I can spend $90 and get 6 stories on clips 4 sale. There needs be a lot of peril in each episode to make this worthwhile.
If you don't want to buy it, don't. Those who do want it will. Simple.
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Compelling debate my fellow Super Heroine fans! Well at least you are talking about Wonder Woman XXX. If I could jump in and add my two cents. We decided that a clip release (digital download) was going to produce the highest ROI and provide the quickest distribution method for the movie after numerous delays.
I guess you can't make everyone happy by the tone of some of these rants, I mean posts. Wonder Woman XXX is a parody of the 1976, season 1 television show Wonder Woman and we tried to give the 6-episodes that same feel. So yes it has opening credits and closing credits that preview the next episode. I assure you that each episode contain some sexy business along with telling a compelling story. No you don't get the whole story in one episode you're not intended to. The point is the storyline builds across the 6 installments! Not your cup tea then there is always the DVD down the road. Just a note for those impatient folks 3 of the 6 episodes will be out by Monday November 26th with a release this Friday 11/23 and again on Monday 11/26.
As for the price, as many have pointed out, it is priced at the standard $1 per minute. And just so we are clear distribution cost something, for example C4S takes a commission of 40% of the cost of each clip. I have a better commission rate on http://www.eClipstore.com so that is why I ask that you buy clips on my site or at eClips. And DVD distributors your lucky to get $5 a DVD. So I'm not getting rich here just trying to recoup my investment and produce a great product for my fans.
I would like to add for those of you who turn around and share or post content on free download sites. I spent my morning sending out take down notice to the infringing sites. This is illegal and the fact that you chose to do so hurts the models and producers economically. We are NOT multimillion dollar corporations like the mainstream film and music business so when you post our copyright protected content it takes food out of our mouths and rent money out of our pockets. Does that make you happy somehow? When you buy our content, you own the right to watch it, enjoy it, comment about it good or bad - but you do not have the right to share it or post it for free on the Internet. If I catch you I will prosecute you and get my rent money back. Please do not upload or share my content or any other model or producers content.
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I guess you can't make everyone happy by the tone of some of these rants, I mean posts. Wonder Woman XXX is a parody of the 1976, season 1 television show Wonder Woman and we tried to give the 6-episodes that same feel. So yes it has opening credits and closing credits that preview the next episode. I assure you that each episode contain some sexy business along with telling a compelling story. No you don't get the whole story in one episode you're not intended to. The point is the storyline builds across the 6 installments! Not your cup tea then there is always the DVD down the road. Just a note for those impatient folks 3 of the 6 episodes will be out by Monday November 26th with a release this Friday 11/23 and again on Monday 11/26.
As for the price, as many have pointed out, it is priced at the standard $1 per minute. And just so we are clear distribution cost something, for example C4S takes a commission of 40% of the cost of each clip. I have a better commission rate on http://www.eClipstore.com so that is why I ask that you buy clips on my site or at eClips. And DVD distributors your lucky to get $5 a DVD. So I'm not getting rich here just trying to recoup my investment and produce a great product for my fans.
I would like to add for those of you who turn around and share or post content on free download sites. I spent my morning sending out take down notice to the infringing sites. This is illegal and the fact that you chose to do so hurts the models and producers economically. We are NOT multimillion dollar corporations like the mainstream film and music business so when you post our copyright protected content it takes food out of our mouths and rent money out of our pockets. Does that make you happy somehow? When you buy our content, you own the right to watch it, enjoy it, comment about it good or bad - but you do not have the right to share it or post it for free on the Internet. If I catch you I will prosecute you and get my rent money back. Please do not upload or share my content or any other model or producers content.
Thanks,
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My 10 cents would be that $90 is on the pricey side - but ultimately not that bad for a fetish feature movie.
It is alot more than a mainstream movie - but this market's a whole lot smaller, you have to expect to pay a premium.
I thought the first episode did a good job of introducing the story, although there wasn't a massive amount of superheroine stuff. It does seem that it wasn't written in a episodic way - but, having said that, the episodes show plenty and end decently - which isn't easy when splitting a full movie!
Kudos for it - hope it does amazingly well! .. Moar superheroine feature awesomeness!
It is alot more than a mainstream movie - but this market's a whole lot smaller, you have to expect to pay a premium.
I thought the first episode did a good job of introducing the story, although there wasn't a massive amount of superheroine stuff. It does seem that it wasn't written in a episodic way - but, having said that, the episodes show plenty and end decently - which isn't easy when splitting a full movie!
Kudos for it - hope it does amazingly well! .. Moar superheroine feature awesomeness!
From the guy who keeps his mouth shut - 2 cents. For those of u who like, don't like, want this or that, think it's too expensive or not - you feedback makes for a better product. Respect others opinions. Bottom line - previews allow us to decide for ourselves if we should buy or not. No one ever forced me to watch or purchase a flic (wups - sorri RYE - your 1984 previews did FORCE me to buy and I'm glad I did. For CC - love ya and thanx for outstanding products. I'm with ya on those who share - wish you could code your flic's to prevent sharing (GIGA style) but when a user has to rebuild a confuser/hdd the code is lost and bucks are lost. Oh well! CC request: You call upon your magic and give us a bitch fight with SG in her traditional costume. Start with spread eagle dom, strap-on suckin/fuckin, green K slime, ball gag's then turn the tide and end it with good intense superheroine lovin!! Oh, p-hose suggested but don't matter - just keep the costumes on as much as possible - a superhero or superheroine without costume is just another guy or gal. (WizeGuy)