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Superheroine fetish is great, however it seems to have a secondary fetish. Rape (such a strong word)
Now it's fine due to the fact Superheroine aren't real (hurts to say it)
but why is it that they are always getting raped? Can't they just enjoy it for once or twice?
I know the sex aspect of the Superheroine fetish isn't the main reason for the fetish, it's more
about the heroine losing, or transforming, or the powers or whatever but lets be honest all fetishes
are sexual. Well that's my thought.
Where is the Consent?
I don't like the rape scenes either. Superheroine videos are about fighting, pain etc. And yes, I do like low-blows, crotch mauling, tit squeezing and nipple twisting and they can be nude. But as soon as it comes to penetration it's a big turnoff for me. If I'd want that I just watch a regular porn movie
There are porn movies with people having sex dressed in super heroine outfits.
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I recall reading once that the most prevalent sexual fantasy was "forced sex". I don't know how valid the assertion may have been, or whether, if based on valid research at the time, it may have since been discredited. At any rate, it's hard to see a clear line between "forced sex" and "rape". The rape angle is a troubling one. Yes, it's only fiction and fantasy, but who wants to think of him- or herself that way?
The superhero genre itself is about very basic territorial conflicts, reduced to a simplified set of cartoon symbols. Sexual fantasies, fetishistic varieties especially, seem also to reduce things to symbols. We like what we like, and it's generally a bundle of ideas or associations that can be easily expressed as labels or emblems. If we can accept that fetishism is inherently sexualized, it's hard to see how a given fetish can avoid eventually being expressed in overtly sexual forms. Irving Klaw's themes will eventually be expressed as something like Kink's Hardcore Gangbangs, unless some external influence is repressing the expression of the themes. Sooner or later, that which is merely implicit, easily ignored or excused away, will be made explicit. That seems to be how people are, for good or ill.
I would suggest that the more basic and simplified the labels, the more likely they are to be expressed in primal, simplified terms. Implied sexuality in a situation may tend to become explicit in something like SHIB, with all of the cartoon-thinking in place. Unless, again, some external force or influence prevents it. But do we want that?
I've struggled with the question in the OP myself, in my creative expressions of SHIB themes. In a first-person Batgirl story in which Batgirl is forced into sexual situations, resisting them as her character must, does she dare to apply the label of "rape" to what's happening? I think the heroine herself can't allow the invocation of that label. To do so would be to cast herself as disempowered, truly defeated, as becoming a victim. The superhero never truly admits defeat and will never consent to villainy. The "forced sex" scenario creates a conflict, then, which is larger than the conflict between the hero and villain. Unwanted pleasure is perhaps the true weakness of any superhero. I'm probably babbling, and far wide of the actual topic. Umm.
I would ask, what does it mean for the hero or heroine, to actually consent to a sexualized situation in the midst of conflict with the villain? How would that not undermine what the hero actually represents in the first place? Haven't they, then, lost the primal struggle against evil, which is at the core of the superheroic genre? How can "rape" be avoided, without undermining the SH in SHIB? Is the solution to avoid any hint of sexual interaction with the foe? No sex at all in a project? Is that a realistic hope or expectation, people being what they are? Is there another way to resolve the matter? And what constitutes actual "sex", in this case? Is it still "forced sex" if a tool or toy is used to force an unwanted climax? Is sex only penetration? Where are the lines to be drawn, if they are to be drawn at all? It's an interesting question, that in the original post.
The superhero genre itself is about very basic territorial conflicts, reduced to a simplified set of cartoon symbols. Sexual fantasies, fetishistic varieties especially, seem also to reduce things to symbols. We like what we like, and it's generally a bundle of ideas or associations that can be easily expressed as labels or emblems. If we can accept that fetishism is inherently sexualized, it's hard to see how a given fetish can avoid eventually being expressed in overtly sexual forms. Irving Klaw's themes will eventually be expressed as something like Kink's Hardcore Gangbangs, unless some external influence is repressing the expression of the themes. Sooner or later, that which is merely implicit, easily ignored or excused away, will be made explicit. That seems to be how people are, for good or ill.
I would suggest that the more basic and simplified the labels, the more likely they are to be expressed in primal, simplified terms. Implied sexuality in a situation may tend to become explicit in something like SHIB, with all of the cartoon-thinking in place. Unless, again, some external force or influence prevents it. But do we want that?I've struggled with the question in the OP myself, in my creative expressions of SHIB themes. In a first-person Batgirl story in which Batgirl is forced into sexual situations, resisting them as her character must, does she dare to apply the label of "rape" to what's happening? I think the heroine herself can't allow the invocation of that label. To do so would be to cast herself as disempowered, truly defeated, as becoming a victim. The superhero never truly admits defeat and will never consent to villainy. The "forced sex" scenario creates a conflict, then, which is larger than the conflict between the hero and villain. Unwanted pleasure is perhaps the true weakness of any superhero. I'm probably babbling, and far wide of the actual topic. Umm.
I would ask, what does it mean for the hero or heroine, to actually consent to a sexualized situation in the midst of conflict with the villain? How would that not undermine what the hero actually represents in the first place? Haven't they, then, lost the primal struggle against evil, which is at the core of the superheroic genre? How can "rape" be avoided, without undermining the SH in SHIB? Is the solution to avoid any hint of sexual interaction with the foe? No sex at all in a project? Is that a realistic hope or expectation, people being what they are? Is there another way to resolve the matter? And what constitutes actual "sex", in this case? Is it still "forced sex" if a tool or toy is used to force an unwanted climax? Is sex only penetration? Where are the lines to be drawn, if they are to be drawn at all? It's an interesting question, that in the original post.
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I would call it a "primal desire", all about power and powerlessness, strength and weakness. But the same meaning may ultimately be intended.ksire_99 wrote:perhaps it is a base instinct.
The author or audience of the material could just as easily be identifying with the victim/heroine as the victimizer/villain, too. That tends to be how I rationalize the matter. I identify with the victim. I don't think the original question is a simple one to resolve. 
Of course I am willing to read and purchase videos to further look into this question.cdrei wrote:I would call it a "primal desire", all about power and powerlessness, strength and weakness. But the same meaning may ultimately be intended.ksire_99 wrote:perhaps it is a base instinct.
