Pet peeves from a guy who buys a LOT of superheroine clips

[faustmonkey]

I buy a lot of superheroine-themed clips, from clips4sale and any number of other favorite sites. Over the years I've bought enough that I've developed some pet peeves. Curious if any one else here gets irritated by them.

First, there's the preview that doesn't actually preview anything. It's a single screengrab, or a bunch of screengrabs clearly from the first thirty seconds of the clip, or a short video sample containing the credits, the title, and the opening shot of a doorway.

Second: the $10-$20 clip you just bought that has a smaller file size than most jpgs. I've gotten better about this, and now always check the megabyte size of a clip before purchasing, or only buying from sites that sell high quality clips. But a few times I've dropped embarrassing money on a clip, only to have it download in five seconds. When opened, it's some 37MG ipod clip transferred over from a VHS tape or something.

The last, and WORST, peeve, though, is the clip with the spoiler-free description. "Will Banana Girl escape from the clutches of Queen Misery? We won't spoil the ending!" You know what, I'm going to just say it: I'm reading the description of a ten dollar fetish clip at a porn website. I'm probably not buying it for the clever M. Night Shyamalan twists. Especially since I'm obviously, like everybody else at these sites, looking for a specific fetish, and would like to know if it's represented or not before I buy the clip. I would love it if from now on, descriptions read like this: "Will Banana Girl escape from the clutches of Queen Misery? Answer: No. She struggles in her bonds for about three minutes. Then she's chloro'd. Then we pan around Banana Girl chloro'd for another minute. If that sounds like something you might like, this is the clip for you."

[knottyguy]

As far as the preview goes, we upload the clips and c4s generates the preview randomly. There is a selection feature for from the bgining, 1/4, 1/2 ect. I usual click on the 1/4 so you don't get the opening credits but I have no idea or any control over exactly what part they will show you. Just a couple years ago they didn't offer a free preview. Was it better then?

The file type and size is listed with each clip, I usaualy add it to the title as well. we produce multiple clips cause different people prefer different formats. I doubt if any ones page is only selling ipod clips but those do sell so you have to check what your buying.

[korda]

I spent $ 250 on movies this week on clips4sale. Twelve movies. Hated ten of them. And the other two I do not know if I liked it or not. The only certainty I have is that if they all had decent trailers or screengrabs I would not feel a fool now.

[Mr. X]

So would people feel better if the description text just listed the "kinks" in the video? Just curious. BTW clips4sale also bans the use of chloro/chloroform etc in wording so they usually have to use "sleepy cloth" or "nap time". I know the preview clip is generated by clips4sale so no one really has a say in what's in it.

[faustmonkey]

Just a couple years ago they didn't offer a free preview. Was it better then?

I'm not singling you out, man. I'm just saying, there are some BAD clips for sale at clips for sale. I have seen clips with a still image of darkness, and the preview is the credits. So I am literally being given no information about the clip besides the font selection in the opening. In almost every instance, I'd actually prefer several pictures of the clip (like eclips does) to a preview (like c4s), because then at least I'm getting a broad idea of the plot of the clip, rather than a 10-second slice of it. If I'm only getting a 10-second slice, that means I need to read the description to figure out what's in it. and if the description's poorly written or coy about the clip's contents, then I have no idea what the contents of the clip are.

I can appreciate that c4s is the cause of a lot of these problems. Someone can complain about itunes and still like the podcasters who update to it.

[faustmonkey]

So would people feel better if the description text just listed the "kinks" in the video? Just curious. BTW clips4sale also bans the use of chloro/chloroform etc in wording so they usually have to use "sleepy cloth" or "nap time". I know the preview clip is generated by clips4sale so no one really has a say in what's in it.

I drop about $50-$75 a week on superheroine videos. All I'm saying is it'd be great to know what I'm buying. I don't know about everybody else, but I don't need the "back of the DVD case" sizzle. I just want to know if the thing I'm dropping $14.99 on has the stuff in it I want to see.

[faustmonkey]

A site that does a great job of this, for instance, is velvetsfantasies.com, where I've dropped a lot of money. Great quality clips, lots of screengrabs, a clear labeling of which actresses star in the clip. I always know what I'm getting.

[Mr. X]

So would people feel better if the description text just listed the "kinks" in the video? Just curious. BTW clips4sale also bans the use of chloro/chloroform etc in wording so they usually have to use "sleepy cloth" or "nap time". I know the preview clip is generated by clips4sale so no one really has a say in what's in it.

I drop about $50-$75 a week on superheroine videos. All I'm saying is it'd be great to know what I'm buying. I don't know about everybody else, but I don't need the "back of the DVD case" sizzle. I just want to know if the thing I'm dropping $14.99 on has the stuff in it I want to see.

I was just asking constructively, not ridiculing you. Seriously would a list in the descriptions work as a better method?

I was thinking that maybe we all need to voluntarily adopt a standard for descriptions that include a list of the "fetishes" in the clips or videos. I was even thinking maybe a two or 2 letter symbol like CH for chloro or KO for generic KO or OSC for over shoulder carry. So a description might be OSC, CHL, BON, GAG, FGT for over shoulder carry, chloro, bondage, gagged and fighting.

[faustmonkey]

So would people feel better if the description text just listed the "kinks" in the video? Just curious. BTW clips4sale also bans the use of chloro/chloroform etc in wording so they usually have to use "sleepy cloth" or "nap time". I know the preview clip is generated by clips4sale so no one really has a say in what's in it.

I drop about $50-$75 a week on superheroine videos. All I'm saying is it'd be great to know what I'm buying. I don't know about everybody else, but I don't need the "back of the DVD case" sizzle. I just want to know if the thing I'm dropping $14.99 on has the stuff in it I want to see.

I was just asking constructively, not ridiculing you. Seriously would a list in the descriptions work as a better method?

I was thinking that maybe we all need to voluntarily adopt a standard for descriptions that include a list of the "fetishes" in the clips or videos. I was even thinking maybe a two or 2 letter symbol like CH for chloro or KO for generic KO or OSC for over shoulder carry. So a description might be OSC, CHL, BON, GAG, FGT for over shoulder carry, chloro, bondage, gagged and fighting.

A code word would actually be incredibly constructive.

I'm not necessarily advocating "list" format -- sometimes full sentences give a better idea of what happens in the clip than a blunt "KO is included" (who KOs who?). I'm just advocating anything -- links to a jpg with screengrabs, a description that doesn't leave out the ending -- that lets me know what I'm buying.

[RedMountain]

I basically have a rule nowadays, unless a clip has an actress or 2 that I just absolutely have to see, if I buy one clip and don't like it I am basically done with that producer, especially if their description is incrediby misleading about the content, and there are lots of those out there. There are a lot of awful stores on C4S and I understand some people don't have the budget but there are some clips out there that leave you feeling like you just lit a $20 bill on fire.

This is one of the reasons that now I normally just stick by the tried and true like Rye, Next Global Crisis, some of the Comicstrips movies, Cristina Carter, Mighty H, and basically any producer that I've never had a negative purchasing experience with. While true that I sometimes buy films from these people where I may not like part of the video, it's never been as bad as some of the garbage I've seen on a lot of those C4S sites.

Oh and another shoutout for Velvetsfantasies, great site and really wish she would do more with her heroine character!

[korda]

So would people feel better if the description text just listed the "kinks" in the video? Just curious. BTW clips4sale also bans the use of chloro/chloroform etc in wording so they usually have to use "sleepy cloth" or "nap time". I know the preview clip is generated by clips4sale so no one really has a say in what's in it.

The sellers could at least provide a decent trailer and screengrabs for us. There are four things that attracts me to this genre: beautiful models who know how to act, good costumes, good direction and action (hard fights, bearhugs, energy drained ...) Rye, Heroine Peril, TBFE and SHC (before the debacle) almost never disappoint me. On the other hand, movies from producers as MightyHypnotic do not attract me because their focus are in the pantyhose fetish with a mix of light peril and lesbian soft porn. Although not his client, I admire his method of advertising. His vidcaps show me what sells. And since that is not what I want, so I do not buy. No risk to my pocket. Another producer who describes all the content of his movies is Shakeshift. Very honest. But I never know if I'll like his films or not simply because they have no trailer. One or two pictures he publishes are not enough to convince me. I only bought one of his movies because I loved the description of a scene where Supergirl is captured, but after watching the scene I felt frustrated with myself because in my mind that would be much better than it was in the movie. I know it's my fault for having too much high expectation, but a good trailer and screengrabs of that scenario would have made ​​things easier for me.

[Incubus]

Depicting each fetish would be ideal.

A picture of the model in her costume, followed by pictures illustrating each fetish aspect in the movie.

MH is extremely generous with the pictures and descriptions he provides, and when he presents a beautiful nylon clad heroine in a sexy costume, trounced, tied and tormented, it elicits a monetary response.

[knottyguy]

Just a couple years ago they didn't offer a free preview. Was it better then?

I'm not singling you out, man. I'm just saying, there are some BAD clips for sale at clips for sale.

I can appreciate that c4s is the cause of a lot of these problems. Someone can complain about itunes and still like the podcasters who update to it.

I didn't think you were, I was just saying we don't control the free preview or the automatic gif so there is really nothing we can do about that. We can upload one still if we choose but that doesn't give much of a preview either.

[rayman]

I basically have a rule nowadays, unless a clip has an actress or 2 that I just absolutely have to see, if I buy one clip and don't like it I am basically done with that producer, especially if their description is incrediby misleading about the content, and there are lots of those out there. There are a lot of awful stores on C4S and I understand some people don't have the budget but there are some clips out there that leave you feeling like you just lit a $20 bill on fire.

This is one of the reasons that now I normally just stick by the tried and true like Rye, Next Global Crisis, some of the Comicstrips movies, Cristina Carter, Mighty H, and basically any producer that I've never had a negative purchasing experience with. While true that I sometimes buy films from these people where I may not like part of the video, it's never been as bad as some of the garbage I've seen on a lot of those C4S sites.

Oh and another shoutout for Velvetsfantasies, great site and really wish she would do more with her heroine character!

I totally agree Red Mountain.

My pet peeve caused me to start a thread about Girly Heroines LOL!

But the trailers and description also bug me greatly.

It is good to have the producers commenting and the fact about C4S trailers is well made, I have cursed many times when only getting opening credits on a C4S preview.

The New Releases section here is a great way for producers to really "sell" their product.

I like the lengthy descriptions written by Shakeshift at Dawnstar and as for the "tune in to find out" style descriptions...I hate them!

[viking]

I only purchase videos from sites that provide screen grabs of the fetish elements that are included. This can be at their own site (like Velvets), their blog (like Cali Logan) or a forum like this one. Christina Carter now provides many screen grabs on this forum and others that give a very clear picture of what to expect in her videos. Since she began doing this I have increased my purchases of her material. Producers who are unwilling to provide screen grabs probably are reluctant for a reason. I prefer screen grabs to lists because a picture is worth a thousand words.

[Aisbeforeyou]

Have you purchased anything from XXXtremecomiXXX?
Their descriptions follow the video pretty well and have good content.

[Mr. X]

Cool store. Never knew about them.

[Aisbeforeyou]

I'm a fan of their Batman stuff, like Dynamic Duo vs Harley Quinn, great actress. Not many people can do Harley, but she did pretty well.

[Heroine Addict]

My biggest bugbear is misleading descriptions:
Don't promote "unmasking" if you're using a model who refuses to show her face and we just see the back of her head after the mask comes off.
Don't promote heroines being "stripped" if your models won't do nudity or partial nudity.
Do warn us if costume removal occurs off-screen. I love to see heroines stripped, so it really annoys me when a producer cuts from a heroine fully-clothed in one shot to nude in the next.

[Richpartist]

After awhile its possible to get tired of this fetish when all we get at times is crap.Its always a good idea to if you can,buy a custom.That way,YOU control for the most part,what you see and hopefully get what you really want.

[Richpartist]

Otherwise we seem to get the same stuff,girl enters room,pretends to look around for villain,taken by surprise,knocked out.Then either forced sex,undressing,etc..
The same bad acting and wasted time.For myself,like I said,I will order a custom and get what I want.Save your money,order a custom from a producer you like,and get the look you want,the girl you want,the costume,and the words.Otherwise,its a gamble that most of the time we all lose.I've spent a crap load of money over the years,and I can say that only about 40% of the stuff I've got has been REALLY good.As for me,I'll take good looking girls in cheerleader outfits(or superheroine outfits) ots carries,and forced orgasms(with her SAYING "I'm cumming")and using the words that I want to hear and not some crappy acting from a woman who isn't really in to our fetish.

[DrObiCaffi]

Another producer who describes all the content of his movies is Shakeshift. Very honest. But I never know if I'll like his films or not simply because they have no trailer. One or two pictures he publishes are not enough to convince me. I only bought one of his movies because I loved the description of a scene where Supergirl is captured, but after watching the scene I felt frustrated with myself because in my mind that would be much better than it was in the movie.

I agree, Shakeshift always has cute models, GREAT costumes/hosiery, and very descriptive synopsises that make you want to buy vids but the purchases I made from him were still disapointments. Better previews might have led to different and Maybe MORE purchases. I get nervous dropping over $20 on a video that I don't get a good preview first. Even more stills of the action can help. Anything to give us more of an idea what to expect without giving aay too much of course!

[DrObiCaffi]

if c4s is to blame for lame previews, maybe more producers can do what COMIC STRIPS does and post a link to a preview in the description or what Kendra James does and embed a preview? Or a link to stills???

[Heroine Addict]

if c4s is to blame for lame previews, maybe more producers can do what COMIC STRIPS does and post a link to a preview in the description or what Kendra James does and embed a preview? Or a link to stills???

MH's Clips4Sale listings usually have a GIF animation which shows stills from every stage of the video. This seems like the best way to let people know what they're getting.

[viking]

Much more helpful than MH's GIF on Clips4Sale, are the many photos he provides on his site for each of his videos. Thanks to those photos, a purchaser knows exactly what to expect from the video. He is a great example of a producer who always lets consumers know what they are buying and who has a loyal following and great sales as a result.

[Heroine Addict]

The GIFs are basically just a low-res animated version of the pics posted on MH's sites. I agree that the full size pics give a much better indication of content, but they're usually not posted until a few days after the Clips4Sale GIFs.

[Richpartist]

http://www.clips4sale.com/49661/Cat105
THIS is what I would call a winner

[Richpartist]

Or this one which is the custom I did with Miss Velvets
https://www.velvetsfantasies.com/index. ... oductId=55

[athenaartemis]

I buy a lot of superheroine-themed clips, from clips4sale and any number of other favorite sites. Over the years I've bought enough that I've developed some pet peeves. Curious if any one else here gets irritated by them.

First, there's the preview that doesn't actually preview anything. It's a single screengrab, or a bunch of screengrabs clearly from the first thirty seconds of the clip, or a short video sample containing the credits, the title, and the opening shot of a doorway.

Second: the $10-$20 clip you just bought that has a smaller file size than most jpgs. I've gotten better about this, and now always check the megabyte size of a clip before purchasing, or only buying from sites that sell high quality clips. But a few times I've dropped embarrassing money on a clip, only to have it download in five seconds. When opened, it's some 37MG ipod clip transferred over from a VHS tape or something.

The last, and WORST, peeve, though, is the clip with the spoiler-free description. "Will Banana Girl escape from the clutches of Queen Misery? We won't spoil the ending!" You know what, I'm going to just say it: I'm reading the description of a ten dollar fetish clip at a porn website. I'm probably not buying it for the clever M. Night Shyamalan twists. Especially since I'm obviously, like everybody else at these sites, looking for a specific fetish, and would like to know if it's represented or not before I buy the clip. I would love it if from now on, descriptions read like this: "Will Banana Girl escape from the clutches of Queen Misery? Answer: No. She struggles in her bonds for about three minutes. Then she's chloro'd. Then we pan around Banana Girl chloro'd for another minute. If that sounds like something you might like, this is the clip for you."

faustmonkey,

Great points, I was wondering what you thought about these two sales sights meeting your criteria for content clarity http://www.wonderwomanxxx.com and http://www.greenlaterngirlxxx.com . Full disclosure, I am the executive producer and writer for both. Thanks for starting this strand and the thoughtful comments it has generated. -Tyr Garm

[faustmonkey]

Or this one which is the custom I did with Miss Velvets
https://www.velvetsfantasies.com/index. ... oductId=55

How much did that set you back, if you don't mind me asking?

[Richpartist]

Or this one which is the custom I did with Miss Velvets
https://www.velvetsfantasies.com/index. ... oductId=55

How much did that set you back, if you don't mind me asking?

That cost about $300 I think.It was a long time ago now.Plus the cost of the outfits which I bought(or made myself)The NBA dancer outfit I bought,as well as the bra and underwear Miss Velvets wore and the USC song girl outfit I had to make because I couldn't find one for sale.Just bought a generic white skirt,white blouse and used some fabric paint.I would love to do another with her(even though she doesn't do the forced orgasm thing) but right now money is tight

[kendrajames]

I have really enjoyed this thread. Its been very informative. I do think I need to clear up something that has changed with my store and that has to do with the youtube vid. I enjoy making the little trailers. They makes it feel more like a movie and people get to see something a little more in dept than the c4s preview. Now here come the problem. You take the time to make the youtube video cry over it, scream at it, and then finally fall in love with it. You put it up on youtube and people really enjoy it. Send you some great compliments. Then out of the blue someone reports it. You loose everything and they close your youtube account. No matter how much screaming you do it stays closed. This will make you want to jump off a building without a bat winch. I think I have come up with a nice solution recently with the animated gif I make myself. I try to grab shots of the major things going on in the video and it moves. Everyone likes things that move right? . I hope people continue to post suggestions here.
xox
Kendra
First rule of selling something know what your customers want.

[colt13]

I agree with the Shakeshift descriptions. They are extremely helpful. I use a combination of this site and heroinemovies to figure out what is in a clip, plus checking out my favorite models in which I know how good their stuff is. It is also good when they mention that they are releasing a custom, as sometimes to please the original customer, it has a different feel than some of their other work.

[athenaartemis]

I have really enjoyed this thread. Its been very informative. I do think I need to clear up something that has changed with my store and that has to do with the youtube vid. I enjoy making the little trailers. They makes it feel more like a movie and people get to see something a little more in dept than the c4s preview. Now here come the problem. You take the time to make the youtube video cry over it, scream at it, and then finally fall in love with it. You put it up on youtube and people really enjoy it. Send you some great compliments. Then out of the blue someone reports it. You loose everything and they close your youtube account. No matter how much screaming you do it stays closed. This will make you want to jump off a building without a bat winch. I think I have come up with a nice solution recently with the animated gif I make myself. I try to grab shots of the major things going on in the video and it moves. Everyone likes things that move right? . I hope people continue to post suggestions here.
xox

Kendra
First rule of selling something know what your customers want.

I agree this thread has been intelligent, respectful and productive. To Kendra James' point,
youtube shouldn't delete trailers that don't have adult content on the trailer itself. Has youtube been deleting trailers that are adult content free? By adult content, I mean nudity, soft core or hard core? Just wondering what people's experience has been with trying to post trailers on youtube?
-Tyr Garm

[kendrajames]

When you post the video you put them up as unlisted. If someone finds it doesn't like it and reports it. Youtube will take it down close your account with no warning.That's edited or unedited. It just frustrated me so much. I started to waste time worrying about that and not the video. I decided to stop using youtube.

[Richpartist]

On a side note,Kendra is one of the hottest ladies alive and in the business(my two cents)

[kendrajames]

Thank you Richpartist that is very nice of you to say.

[athenaartemis]

When you post the video you put them up as unlisted. If someone finds it doesn't like it and reports it. Youtube will take it down close your account with no warning.That's edited or unedited. It just frustrated me so much. I started to waste time worrying about that and not the video. I decided to stop using youtube.

To make sure I understand you correctly. You are saying that regardless of no porn content anyone can just tell youtube "I found this video objectionable," and youtube takes it down and closes your account. No rules? No parameters? How is anything left on youtube? Just curious. Congrats on the success of your recent productions with Veronica Ricci. They look great!-Tyr Garm

[Heroine Addict]

I suppose even a totally innocuous video by Kendra could still be considered "objectionable" as it's effectively advertising for porn. A Tipper Gore / Helen Lovejoy type could easily complain that a young Batwoman fan might find it and be led astray.

"Won't somebody please think of the children?!"

Of course, if the video is unlisted, that means that the trouble-causer didn't find it on a YouTube search and instead discovered it through a forum such as this one.

[kendrajames]

Thank you athenaartemis. Heroine Addict is correct. It just takes a concerned citizen to report your video a couple times and poof your gone. This is the experience I have had. I do think that concerned citizen has moved on to another cause because I do have a few trailers still up. I just got very tired of my accounts getting deleted and then having broken links in my store.

[athenaartemis]

Thank you athenaartemis. Heroine Addict is correct. It just takes a concerned citizen to report your video a couple times and poof your gone. This is the experience I have had. I do think that concerned citizen has moved on to another cause because I do have a few trailers still up. I just got very tired of my accounts getting deleted and then having broken links in my store.

Don't mean to beat a dead horse on this point, but I just went on youtube and searched Batman XXX. All those videos and trailers are still there listed as an XXX production. Of course, the videos don't show any adult content. They are strictly non adult teasers that show a url to trace back to purchase sites for that porn production. There are others there too. It would seem that concerned citizens should have pushed those videos off youtube a long time ago. Anyone, what am I missing?
-Tyr Garm

[DevilMan38]

Anyone, what am I missing?
-Tyr Garm

If you search Youtube for Kendra James, or Batman XXX, the search brings up a lot of fetish related stuff and very little else. But if you search for 'Batwoman' the search throws up a lot of kids cartoons.
Maybe 'Concerned Citizen' found Kendra's Batwoman trailer while looking for more kid friendly stuff and threw a (technical term here) shit fit?

[kendrajames]

DevilMan38 you are right that could have happened. I think in a more x files kind of way and think it was the man trying to hold me down ( said in a twitchy kind of way)lol

[DevilMan38]

DevilMan38 you are right that could have happened. I think in a more x files kind of way and think it was the man trying to hold me down ( said in a twitchy kind of way)lol

No doubt it could have been some character with a grudge, it seems odd that other things featuring you haven't been affected though.

Anway, I hope you can find a way of putting your trailers up there again; I do enjoy your stuff.

Best of luck x

[kendrajames]

DevilMan38 thank you. I am glad you like the stuff I have been doing with Batwoman. I might make the trailers again. After I grow back those hairs I pulled out after the last time they closed my account . I don't rule the grudge thing out at all but I am to busy to worry about someones else's short comings. Not to say that if I ever found them I would want to beat them severely!

[Visitor]

Dailymotion and Vimeo are a bit more tolerant of videos. Or maybe with less viewers there ate less complaints.

[Heroine Addict]

Without naming and shaming any particular producers, I have noticed that videos from a couple of studios have several minutes of logos, warnings, titles and credits on relatively short videos.

As a basic "rule of thumb", I suggest anything over 10% of the total runtime seriously needs to be declared prominently. Anything over 20% requires a trip back to the editing suite.

[kendrajames]

Thank you guys. I have thought about hosting them on my site. I hadn't thought about redtube or Daily motion. Vimeo does work but I have had other problems with them. Mainly me not taking or having the time to figure it out . I want to say again I really have enjoyed this thread. This is what happens when there is a community wanting everyone to enjoy themselves.

[theScribbler]

Re: the info that C4S let's you select 'from the beginning' as an option for the preview.

With this setting, does C4S select from a random place near the beginning, or the very first 10-11 sec of movie?

If it does let producer use the first 10-11 sec of movie as preview, then it's not really random, and producer can control preview. The producer can put in a 10-11 sec 'coming attractions' type preview (various short cuts of the hottest, most descriptive content) at the beginning of the movie (which C4S will use a preview), and then have the actual movie start 11 seconds in.

The producer can also put descriptive text graphics on the preview video: OTS CARRY, BREAST GROPING, "I'M CUMMING" DIALOG, RANDY MOORE, FORCED ORGASM, KNOCK-OUT, etc. whatever main (don't overdo it) kink or fetish elements the video is intended to hit.

(Now if C4S just picks some random 10-11 sec near the beginning start time, then of course, my above idea probably won't work.)

[Heroine Addict]

A lot of videos feature "magic penetration" during sex scenes. I use this term to describe a sex scene in which a heroine is somehow being screwed with her leotard and tights still on and intact.

While I understand that many models don't want to do full frontal nudity, maybe producers could cut to a close-up of the heroine's face for a moment as we hear the sound effect of the costume being torn open? (As in the excellent LiveWire video.) So at least we would get some sense that the heroine costume has been breached, even if we don't see it. It would be better than weird dry-humping scenes.