PG-13 vs X-Rated Peril

[DefeatedHeroines]

Just curious about preference. There are sites like Next Global Crisis & Heroine Legends that are strictly PG-13 and have a huge embedded fan base. Then there are Tropic City Heroines and Punished Heroines to name two who deliver sexual peril. What is your preference?

[Richpartist]

I would like a little bit of both.There are some actresses from NEXT GLOBAL CRISIS(Aisling Knight) and LEGENDS(Cayla Black) that I would love to see "more of" but the films they make are still exciting even when the ladies keep covered up(for the most part)
I'm thinking the heroine doesn't need to be nude more than 10% of the film,if even that.For me,ots carries,multiple ko's and maybe a forced orgasm from time to time makes a great film.The other thing that's important is an actress/model that can actually act and has a outfit that covers her more(so it can be more fun taking it off her)and hopefully some pantyhose/leggings in there somewhere as well.Again,great job on your first release.


Richard

[scwank]

I picked PG-13 only, although I like a bit more on a very occasional basis - i.e., so that it is a BIG DEAL when it happens to the heroine, and not "here's another heroine getting naked again."

[mcg]

PG-13 with some boobs or a grope now and again is fine.

I never have and never will waste my money on those producers who stick a costume on a porn star and call it a superheroine film.

And I believe the Heroine Movies blog reflects that in the community. If you go there at the moment, a ton of comments get made for the NGC and Heroine Legends material. Yet, the "superheroine" material from Tropic City and Primal have next to no comments.

[Slone]

I chose other. For me, the issue is well-done peril. Thinking about peril in terms of the arbitrary rating system is the wrong way to view it. I enjoy properly done peril scenes, whether they would be rated G or XXX. I'm an adult, at this point in my life I don't care about the rating system. I hope producers approach their peril scenes not thinking about the rating, but rather thinking about how to create the most tension, drama, and intrigue, regardless of what it would be rated.

[Zeta Clark]

I agree with many of the others that have already replied. The level of peril should reflect the story material. An x-rated unmasking peril film doesn't make much sense to me. Neither does a PG-13 rated combat peril film.

Though it may sound obvious, the actors should also feel comfortable performing the rating as well. Additionally, I like when the performances show a heroic character, especially before any actual peril takes place. I love films where you can definitely see that the heroine is a heroine and not someone dressed in a costume.

[Richpartist]

I think in the end its all about the actress being a actual actor and not just another porn star(or porn star wantabe)who can't wait to get her clothes off and pleasure herself.They have to act like they REALLY are heroines who are shocked to have these things happen to them,and being knocked out is the last thing they want as well as having them tied up or undressed.After all what would a REAL Wonder Woman or whatever really think about that if that was happening to them?I think what else is needed is a sort of Batman(dominant) and a Robin(submissive) heroine type where the side-kick gets knocked out because shes new at the game and the Batman type gets knocked out totally by surprise.


Richard

[ranger87]

I'm sad that this needs to be said. But Tropic City and Punished Heroines are nothing alike.

[Richpartist]

PG-13 and PG-13 PLUS are almost neck and neck

[DefeatedHeroines]

I'm sad that this needs to be said. But Tropic City and Punished Heroines are nothing alike.

I only refer in terms that they are not PG-13… not insinuating that they are the same type of production.

[DefeatedHeroines]

PG-13 and PG-13 PLUS are almost neck and neck

I'm a fan of both personally… I'll admit though… Girl/Girl oral in costume does a little something for me

[DrObiCaffi]

I like anything where a girl in FULL costume is in peril. As long as I see her tied up, trapped in a chamber, lowered into a pit, strapped to a table, whatever. If she IS to be taken advantage of, there are ways of it happening without the costume coming off. I'm not a big fan of situations where girls are forced and then end up enjoying t, unless it's some big dramatic, hard-fought transformation that turns the heroine evil (IE: Indiana Jones is Temple of Doom, The chick in Buck Rogers Vampire episode). The transformation van be hot then the sex can be hot. If she is not transformed, I hate to sound evil here but it should be forced, and the heroine should not like it.

But as long as the girls are hot enough, the costumes are tame but sexy, and the peril is good, I don't care if it's Pg 13 or XXX.

[DrObiCaffi]

I chose other. For me, the issue is well-done peril. Thinking about peril in terms of the arbitrary rating system is the wrong way to view it. I enjoy properly done peril scenes, whether they would be rated G or XXX. I'm an adult, at this point in my life I don't care about the rating system. I hope producers approach their peril scenes not thinking about the rating, but rather thinking about how to create the most tension, drama, and intrigue, regardless of what it would be rated.

Well Said!!!

[DrObiCaffi]

I agree with many of the others that have already replied. The level of peril should reflect the story material. An x-rated unmasking peril film doesn't make much sense to me. Neither does a PG-13 rated combat peril film.

Though it may sound obvious, the actors should also feel comfortable performing the rating as well. Additionally, I like when the performances show a heroic character, especially before any actual peril takes place. I love films where you can definitely see that the heroine is a heroine and not someone dressed in a costume.

I agree. I hate when Heroine's are bound and they squirm and whine like some girl taken off the street. There should be a sense of pride. A sign of resistance even the darkest of peril.

[DrObiCaffi]

I think in the end its all about the actress being a actual actor and not just another porn star(or porn star wantabe)who can't wait to get her clothes off and pleasure herself.They have to act like they REALLY are heroines who are shocked to have these things happen to them,and being knocked out is the last thing they want as well as having them tied up or undressed.After all what would a REAL Wonder Woman or whatever really think about that if that was happening to them?I think what else is needed is a sort of Batman(dominant) and a Robin(submissive) heroine type where the side-kick gets knocked out because shes new at the game and the Batman type gets knocked out totally by surprise.


Richard

Excellent points! And to ME, a costume too revealing or slutty, makes you think RIGHT AWAY that the Heroine is just asking for it. I think Super Girl, Female Robin, Bat Girl, Wonder Woman, and Power Girl costumes are sexy enough without being TOO slutty. When you start making the Robin costume and tight latex looking skirt, Bat Girl has a neck line showing all her breasts and Super Girl's belly button is showing and her skirt is so short her panties are seen at EVERY angle, it makes it less traumatizing when the heroine is taken advantage of. It's more like she's thinking "finally".

[DefeatedHeroines]

all interesting points here… I honestly thought there would be much more reply from the X-rated side of it, but it seems that the PG-13 side is very vocal about their likes and the PG-13+ is equally as prevalent… I may have to rethink my "The Retro Angels" site… which I was thinking I may rename as "Superheroine Angels", but we'll see… and I also see the classics always pop up in convos rather than the original characters made by certain sites…

[Richpartist]

Good points all around but of course its up to Jason in the end.I agree with the point,, and a good example,of the difference between a believable heroine(Lynda Carters WW) and just a Halloween "slutty" version.I think it REALLY adds to the enjoyment if she LOOKS like a actual heroine and not some girl who just went to Amazon and bought a "naughty Wonder Woman" outfit and decided to fight crime on the streets."Ok,bad guys,I'm here please knock me out and take my clothes off already"
Like I said,in the end its up to Jason and where HE wants to go with his productions,but I think this first release shows that hes serious about giving his customers what they want.Again,the credit card at the ready for the next one

[Richpartist]

.....and I'll leave you with this:Heroine(maybe my future wife Tiffany Chase) wearing leggings,chloroformed with great eye movements and sighs,ots carries,and ending with a either girl on girl forced orgasm or a "do it yourself"
LEGGINGS(YOGA PANTS) OTS CARRIES(WITH CLOSE UPS),EYES ROLLING BACK WITH SIGHS,MOUTH SLIGHTLY OPEN.

[DefeatedHeroines]

.....and I'll leave you with this:Heroine(maybe my future wife Tiffany Chase) wearing leggings,chloroformed with great eye movements and sighs,ots carries,and ending with a either girl on girl forced orgasm or a "do it yourself"
LEGGINGS(YOGA PANTS) OTS CARRIES(WITH CLOSE UPS),EYES ROLLING BACK WITH SIGHS,MOUTH SLIGHTLY OPEN.

lol… noted

[Viraleus]

I'm in favor of X-rated content, but it needs to carry weight in the context of the story. Some peril videos will have a sex scene clumsily inserted between heroine and villainess. That type of violation needs to be personal, the culmination of dialogue and actions that define the characters and their motivations. As many have stated here, we need to see a superheroine fully realized in the video if we are to appreciate her fall from grace. That's what sells the peril whether it be PG-13 or X-rated.

[Incubus]

Have PG-13 or R-Rated fight scenes but once she's been defeated/captured, Definitely follow up with ... X-Rated, torture and Hardcore M/F sex scenes. And always (keep the costumes "Mostly" on). Expose the heroines breasts by lowering or raising her top but keep her top on. Slide the crotch of her shorts to the side and rip her hose open. Don't remove them.

I like when peril and sexual peril are combined. If the heroines on a
confession extracting rack being extended. Have a second villain repeatedly touch her inappropriately as she writhes in pain. Have him talk to her in a mocking manner as he takes advantage of her tormented bound body.

While on the confession extractor, she'll invariably ask, "what do you want?" As his hands explore her body, he hesitates then replies, "This."

[WazooBoy]

Why limit yourself?

If the story calls for some nudity or sexual content, go with it. If you can tell a compelling story without it, there you go.

I resist the sites that state they are PG-13 only. I don't buy their products. I'm older than 13, I can handle grown-up food. I like to see a little nudity and sexual humiliation of a heroine from time to time. That being said, too much of the same thing, even a good thing, gets old after awhile.

[Ninja J.]

X-Rated! There's definitely advantages to pg-13 material (hotter models, story and combat, acting, in my opinion) but x-rated vids add an element that those vids lack which is sexual peril. I feel that pg-13 gives me less in the peril department unlike x-rated vids which go the extra step with the sexual peril. Even though some vids are a little top heavy with the sexual peril I still prefer an oversaturation of it than none at all.

I will say that my biggest gripe with x-rated vids, that some producers STILL don't get, is that virtually no one wants to see a 40 minute vid of a girl in a costume having sex. THAT'S NOT PERIL! Punished Heroines, and Super Heroine World, and even Comic Book Strips do it right; an equal amount of combat, peril and sexual humiliation. I prefer any of those vids over a pg-13 vid and I'm not saying that the pg-13 vids aren't good either. For me, PH, SW and other companies like them already do what pg-13 vids do except they go even farther in terms of the level of peril, humiliation and defeat through sexual themes or tropes.

[Richpartist]

This has nothing to do with the current subject,just wanted to share.If you didn't catch the Bronco game last night,you might have missed probably the best cheerleader shot EVER!

.....you are welcome



Richard

[DefeatedHeroines]

Why limit yourself?

If the story calls for some nudity or sexual content, go with it. If you can tell a compelling story without it, there you go.

I resist the sites that state they are PG-13 only. I don't buy their products. I'm older than 13, I can handle grown-up food. I like to see a little nudity and sexual humiliation of a heroine from time to time. That being said, too much of the same thing, even a good thing, gets old after awhile.

It's less about limiting yourself and more about setting yourself up for success. Not always with what the viewer wants, but more in the idea that if nudity isn't necessary, I can save A LOT of money hiring an actress who keeps her clothes on. I need to know who I'm working with and where the money will be spent as opposed to hiring someone who is used to hardcore scenes and all they are doing is light groping. That's all…

[Mr. X]

Well you do have a broader range of models who look good if you avoid nudity and groping.

[DefeatedHeroines]

Well you do have a broader range of models who look good if you avoid nudity and groping.

Precisely. But I also didn't want to miss out on an opportunity if there are more fans of the harder stuff… no pun intended lol

[Mr. X]

Well you do have a broader range of models who look good if you avoid nudity and groping.

Precisely. But I also didn't want to miss out on an opportunity if there are more fans of the harder stuff… no pun intended lol

That's why I found working with fetish models is the best of both worlds. I've tried porn stars and some were good, like Rebecca Love but most didn't get the material and were just ready to lay there and "be done". Worse when they were high on something. Regular models/strippers/dancers didn't want to do the crude material. Fetish models knew exactly the kinks and how to act. Sadly there's only a small selection and you see the same girls over and over and over again.

Kind of also depends on what you want. If you want some gratuitous boob scene then yes a porn star probably would work out. If you want action then an actress is the best bet.

[DefeatedHeroines]

Well you do have a broader range of models who look good if you avoid nudity and groping.

Precisely. But I also didn't want to miss out on an opportunity if there are more fans of the harder stuff… no pun intended lol

That's why I found working with fetish models is the best of both worlds. I've tried porn stars and some were good, like Rebecca Love but most didn't get the material and were just ready to lay there and "be done". Worse when they were high on something. Regular models/strippers/dancers didn't want to do the crude material. Fetish models knew exactly the kinks and how to act. Sadly there's only a small selection and you see the same girls over and over and over again.

Kind of also depends on what you want. If you want some gratuitous boob scene then yes a porn star probably would work out. If you want action then an actress is the best bet.

True. But even fetish models/actresses in LA are $100/hour minimum. When you're filming 8-10 hour days, then multiple days, that's where you start racking up the costs. I'm creating a sexy PG-13 series now where the actresses will never be nude, but will be comfortable selling the peril elements… happy medium.

[harriertalon]

I put "R" but I probably should have put other as I guess I'm a mixed bag. I prefer my heroines clothed through at least 90 to 100% of the movie, undressing only at the culmination of their ordeal (example. Electrawoman/Dynagirl mind controlled and forced to strip out of their costumes...take your time ladies... )

While I like toys and G/G Oral I like seeing them used while the clothes are generally on (ie vibrating through the uniform or two girls getting it on with some groping and feeling under each other's costumes (maybe eventually tearing them off each other)).

[Richpartist]

I quess you can ask the people who actually bought your video,and as for me PG-13 or PG-13 PLUS all the way.Nudity IS NOT a requirement for a good video,but a great knockout(s) carries,slight groping IS!You can have a occasional forced orgasm but she doesn't need to have all her clothes off to do that(as you know)And please throw a bone(bone?) towards the pantyhose/leggings crowd which I am a proud member of. Even though the poll seems to show a slight edge for the xxx sickos out there(just kidding)theres enough of that out there.After all,think back my friends.....back back to when we were young guys(and maybe gals) and we saw Wonder Woman,Bionic Woman,etc.. getting knocked out on tv or comic books,remember they were always clothed.We could always use our own imaginations and didn't need some assemble line porn star to clock in,get knocked out,say a few lines BADLY then just sit there thinking about her grocery bill while some guy(or gal) is going down on her."Is that it,ok I'm outta here""Can I get back into the slutty pieces of cloth,collect my money and leave now"
Just my two cents.

[lemonpsi]

X-rated. Nudity with costume on. Sex doesn't need to be hardcore, stimulated is okay. The humiliation is probably key.

Oh and M/F. i might be a minority but I am just not into G/G.

[heroinefan429]

I'm more of a fan of the PG-13 stuff as well for the reasons many others stated here.

[Richpartist]

NOW xx rating is leading!?? The world is coming to a end

[tallyho]

NOW xx rating is leading!?? The world is coming to a end

Must've been too busy jerking off to vote until now!

[Richpartist]

lol

[Richpartist]

The kind of chloro scene I would like to see in your upcoming videos



Richard

[DefeatedHeroines]

The kind of chloro scene I would like to see in your upcoming videos



Richard

noted.

[Henchman]

I like anything where a girl in FULL costume is in peril. As long as I see her tied up, trapped in a chamber, lowered into a pit, strapped to a table, whatever. If she IS to be taken advantage of, there are ways of it happening without the costume coming off. I'm not a big fan of situations where girls are forced and then end up enjoying t, unless it's some big dramatic, hard-fought transformation that turns the heroine evil (IE: Indiana Jones is Temple of Doom, The chick in Buck Rogers Vampire episode). The transformation van be hot then the sex can be hot. If she is not transformed, I hate to sound evil here but it should be forced, and the heroine should not like it.

Lately I'm starting to sound like the good Dr's sidekick but the above pretty much sums up my view too, especially the last point. You can still do a really good ravishment scene without any hardcore stuff - see some of Paris Kennedy's movies for SuperHeroineWorld - I think the term is "simulated".


EDIT - here's another good chloro scene - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvXqfpLCkMc
-Good struggle at the start - it needs to look like they are actually trying to get away as shown here
-Shot of her heels
-Nice facial close up at the end

[tallyho]

Lately I'm starting to sound like the good Dr's sidekick

Well, you are a Henchman afterall.


Nice clip.

[SGWriter]

Lately I'm starting to sound like the good Dr's sidekick

Well, you are a Henchman afterall.


Nice clip.

Does he get good benefits though? Cause I know this guy who worked for Goldfinger and then man didn't even offer dental ;-)

[DrObiCaffi]

Lately I'm starting to sound like the good Dr's sidekick

Well, you are a Henchman afterall.


Nice clip.

Does he get good benefits though? Cause I know this guy who worked for Goldfinger and then man didn't even offer dental ;-)

I take GOOD care of ANY Henchmen who bring me Hot Super Heroines to torture and Humiliate! ;-P

[centurion200]

I prefer to get some value for my buck. Real peril, knockouts, bondage, costumes partially removed or at least pulled out of the way. M-F hardcore sex is great too, but not necessary as long as the superheroine really gets a good fondling or at least a close-up examination.

(BTW- Very bored by the lesbian orgies that a couple big name studios have adopted exclusively, even as they have really excelled in costuming. Pity.)

The real danger of "PG-13" (quotes because Richard Vincent's rating isn't official) is that the guys making the movie forget that they're in a fetish niche and get delusions of grandeur and churn out a 1.5 gig plain vanilla superhero movie that's an hour long and has maybe 6 minutes of superheroine cheesecake peril on screen. I'm sure hey lavish attention on the villain's backstory and dialog, but it 's always going to be amateurish, guys.

I get that some of these guys wish they were making big budget Hollywood superhero movies, but I won't pay for their vanity projects. Bring on the fetish, not filler.

[Richpartist]

Another great film just released from NGC with Celestia Aisling Knight that includes the kind of ots carry that I need for a great video worth any amount of money

[DefeatedHeroines]

.....and I'll leave you with this:Heroine(maybe my future wife Tiffany Chase) wearing leggings,chloroformed with great eye movements and sighs,ots carries,and ending with a either girl on girl forced orgasm or a "do it yourself"
LEGGINGS(YOGA PANTS) OTS CARRIES(WITH CLOSE UPS),EYES ROLLING BACK WITH SIGHS,MOUTH SLIGHTLY OPEN.

Just thought you might be interested to hear that Tiffany Chase will appear in Logan's new site: www.SupervsEvil.com before Defeated Heroines… his site is PG-13 and she'll be playing a Supergirl-based character… just an FYI

[HeroineFanboy]

I nearly picked "X Rated," but then thought I should pick "Other" and explain myself. I do not like sex or nudity in a heroine peril video purely for the sex or nudity. It has to serve the peril and humiliation of the superheroine. For example, I hate when the villain just happens to have a vibrator wand nearby and "imperils" the heroine by forcing her to cum. That type of setup seems to exist just for the sake of seeing a girl in a costume get off. Instead, I would prefer a scene where the villain forcibly has (real, not simulated) sex with the heroine, against her will, because he has defeated her in battle and now wants to claim his prize. That sort of thing. Although, to be clear, I would always prefer the heroine's costume to stay on -- better if the villain pulls her leotard to the side or rips a convenient hole in the crotch of her leotard. (Also, I would love to see some anal in the videos . . . so long as it serves the production as a whole.)

[Richpartist]

.....and I'll leave you with this:Heroine(maybe my future wife Tiffany Chase) wearing leggings,chloroformed with great eye movements and sighs,ots carries,and ending with a either girl on girl forced orgasm or a "do it yourself"
LEGGINGS(YOGA PANTS) OTS CARRIES(WITH CLOSE UPS),EYES ROLLING BACK WITH SIGHS,MOUTH SLIGHTLY OPEN.

Just thought you might be interested to hear that Tiffany Chase will appear in Logan's new site: http://www.SupervsEvil.com before Defeated Heroines… his site is PG-13 and she'll be playing a Supergirl-based character… just an FYI

Thanks,I got a e-mail about that in fact.The Tiffany craze is spreading

[heroinefan2016]

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[mangog3000]

I enjoy extremely-skimpy costumes, with the top eventually falling off, and various knockout methods. I don't really care for rape or obviously-sexual scenes. A grope here and there is okay, though. My predominant interest is the KO scene and watching the heroine as she is unconscious.

[kingles]

It's a small sample size, but polls like these show how disparate viewpoints are, regarding such matters. I have bought and enjoyed many videos from each of those 4 categories, but I voted for the 3rd, R-Rated option as my favorite.

Theoretically, I don't think most people would purchase more than 1 or 2 categories away from the one they favored. So I doubt many people who voted X-Rated would have much interest in NGC, HL, etc., and vice versa. Seems to me that the 2 middle options would have the highest potential audience. It is a small sample size though, and forums like this one and even more so Heroinemovies.com...are underrepresented by fans of X-rated material, IMO.