The Ultimate Superheroines Forum

I myself prefer to see a superheroine simply overpowered in a fair fight. I'm not a fan of tricks, gadgets, or chemicals. I also prefer no bondage. To me, a villain/villainess that can defeat a heroine without using tricks is the sexiest thing possible. I'm not putting down other preferances, just curious as to how many people share my view or am I vastly outnumbered as I suspect. Looking forward to the debate!

For me it has the heroine outsmarted.

For WW it someone taking control of her lasso, classic but never gets old
for Supergirl neutralizing her powers
Though for Batgirl or Black Canary being outfought has its attractions

I'm open to almost any variation, but one specific setup I have something of a fetish for is when the super heroine makes amateur mistakes or is otherwise taken down easily. It adds to the humiliation factor for me, in the sense that it's not just the villain(ess) they're going up against; they're also fighting the author, who from their viewpoint might as well be God.

(Admittedly, the above works a lot better if it's some big-name, widely-known heroine like Wonder Woman or Batgirl. With original heroines, yeah, I like to see them in action, get a few victories first.)

I agree with you, kwood138. I don't like it when they take Wonder Woman's belt off and then she has lost her powers. Then of course she is overpowered easily. Don't like it. I prefer to see her get captured/knocked out when she is at full strength with her belt, bracelets, tiara and everything is still on. Yes it is more sexy to me to see her get knocked out in a knock down, drag out hand to hand fist fight i.e. get knocked out cold with a stiff punch to the chin. Must more exciting that way.
The chloroform thing is OK too, but my preference is to see her get slugged out like a light with a blackjack or a sock on the jaw. If they take her belt off then it is no longer a challenge to capture her and I hate to hear/see her squeal silly things like:
"stop it, let me go, you'll never get away with this." We all differ in our preferences. Now it's someone else's turn.

I have a couple but if I was to rank them,

Exploit their Weakness is my favorite. Ultimately this is personified in Supergirl being defeated with Kryptonite. Especially if she is tricked into exposing herself too it. The powerful Supergirl suddenly shocked to discover that glowing green rock, sapping her strength, making her weak. It gives the villainess a chance to gloat and relish in their capture of the superheroine. I think this becomes extra special when you use it for the first time. Supergirl not thinking anything can defeat her and then discovers this.

Generally I like my powered heroines to have a weakness of some type. It's just nice that's there's something that slowly makes them weak, drains their powers, and makes the heroine now think on their feet. Their powers are gone so they need to use their heads to escape.

Now I also agree with the OP which has a superheroine being completely overwhelmed. Meeting a villainess more powerful than her and then being defeated despite her powers. Even more special when the heroine's arch enemy has crafted this villainess.

I like that touch, the heroines arch enemy has crafted the villainess that leads to her destruction!!

Knockout Gas

I think the whole thing is a matter of power.She has it,we want her to lose it(and in turn get it ourselves)Having said that,chloroform,knock out gas and sleep darts "given" to a heroine who has just beaten most of her enemies and looks as though nothing can stop her.It should be a complete surprise and unthinkable to her and should strike fear and sadness into her as she gives in to whatever is putting her out.There should be protests both audble(can't spell) and physical.Then in the end a look of sadness as she realizes there is nothing she can do then .............dreamland.
Followed by a ots carry off
I don't really care for nudity,I think its been "done" to death and for me anyway is getting tired.Forced orgasms are nice but only if she keeps the clothes on otherwise its just another porn movie or something.This is one(of many) reasons why my favorite producers are NGC,Bluestone and Logans Superheroines.Great looking women knocked out carried around(most of the time good acting)and all with their clothes on(for the most part)
That's my two cents.


Richard

...............oh and PANTYHOSE!!!

Chloro.

Personally I think the chloroform is also a scape goat and seems to be cropping up everywhere recently. As soon as I see a heroine scene that has a rag in it I stop watching instantly. I agree with K Wood, I much prefer it for a heroine to be defeated or physically over powered by her adversary.

I agree with you Richpartist, costumes should stay on. Without the costume it is indeed just another porno.

I seem to want to see things that I've seen in other genres of TV, but never on superhero shows.

For instance, chloroform was covered pretty well in the first season of Wonder Woman, so while it's not a bad thing, it isn't something I want to see but never have.

Tranquilizer darts are more interesting to me because back in 70's we saw them used for real on nature shows, but I never saw them used in fictional TV, and particularly not against superheroines.

Likewise I've seen some great gas scenes in spy movies (I'm thinking of the beginning of Innerspace), but I never saw anything as good as that on superhero shows.

Lurkndog wrote:Tranquilizer darts are more interesting to me because back in 70's we saw them used for real on nature shows, but I never saw them used in fictional TV, and particularly not against superheroines.

Batman TV show had a few times where Batman and Robin got darted by the Riddler from behind as he was disguised as a wax statue, Catwoman had a dart gun, and Masha the Queen of the Diamonds had a love dart shooting Cupid statue. Then they dropped the idea in the Batgirl season for different gas attacks.

Gotta agree with Richpartist and Kwood138. Don't like nudity. Yes it has been done to death. It cheapens the whole show.
The girls look a lot better in their costumes.

Visitor wrote:

Lurkndog wrote:Tranquilizer darts are more interesting to me because back in 70's we saw them used for real on nature shows, but I never saw them used in fictional TV, and particularly not against superheroines.

Batman TV show had a few times where Batman and Robin got darted by the Riddler from behind as he was disguised as a wax statue, Catwoman had a dart gun, and Masha the Queen of the Diamonds had a love dart shooting Cupid statue. Then they dropped the idea in the Batgirl season for different gas attacks.

Yes and Robin got shot with a dart outside the bar where Batman got drugged (doing the Batusi? -can't remember nor the villain but think it was Riddler again) so as Visitor says it happened a lot in the show

With Wonder Woman, I always enjoyed it when she went to stop a few bullets with her bracelets and they exploded into a gas attack. Much better than chloroform in my book, which is far too common. The concept of WW being able to lift a car and yet not having enough strength to shake off someone who puts an arm around her waist never made sense to me.

With Supergirl, it's kryptonite used in an unexpected form. Turned into a gas or liquid so it's harder for her to fight against.

Finally, I always enjoy it when a heroine is taken down when she's in her secret identity. WW as Diana Prince unable to fight back with her full powers. SG as Linda Danvers unable to act for fear of giving herself away and then somehow still subdued with kryptonite nearby.

The gas filled bullets is a brilliant idea whoever first came up with it,and would nice to see ALOT more.As for the sleeping darts,I REALLY would love to see this done:

Love the idea of her trying to wake up fully and then getting sent back to dreamland right away.

Richpartist wrote:The gas filled bullets is a brilliant idea whoever first came up with it,and would nice to see ALOT more.

There was a golden age WW story that used gas cartridges in guns, though I don't think bullets were used. The bad guys used them, and the special cartridges turned their revolvers into gas guns firing some kind of amnesia gas.

One thing they never did in the WW tv show is a ray gun that fired a wide spread beam. The Skrill had their funky raygun gloves, but they fired tight beams that Wonder Woman could deflect. I'm picturing Wonder Woman trying to use her bracelets against the alien weapon, only to be enveloped in some kind of energy field, and immediately stunned.

sgz6 wrote:Now I also agree with the OP which has a superheroine being completely overwhelmed. Meeting a villainess more powerful than her and then being defeated despite her powers. Even more special when the heroine's arch enemy has crafted this villainess.

Definitely this for me.

Outsmarted resulting in fight where the superheroine fights at big disadvantage being totally defeated and humiliated while struggling with herself trying to keep the spirit up but at the end and looses by being knocked out by hit or last bit of energy squeezed out of her in a sleeper hold or scissor or bear hug grip leaving her light out on the floor with nice close ups at the end.

Any type of defeat where the heroine can't do anything but sob. Or a taking their power scene at the end, maybe even using some sort of beam/ray to revert the heroine back to their civillian self. First one is done a lot, second one is hardly done at all id have to check my collection but i think maybe primal did it once.

Id like to see a defeat scene where a villianness defeats the superheroine, and then after that happens the villianness is defeated herself by her sidekick.

kwood138 wrote:I myself prefer to see a superheroine simply overpowered in a fair fight. I'm not a fan of tricks, gadgets, or chemicals. I also prefer no bondage. To me, a villain/villainess that can defeat a heroine without using tricks is the sexiest thing possible. I'm not putting down other preferances, just curious as to how many people share my view or am I vastly outnumbered as I suspect. Looking forward to the debate!

I like the underlined part as well, it can be a humiliating surprise to meet a new foe and just get stomped, but my favorite way requires the villainess to be unfair and resort to extremely dirty play. It has to be something so low it it makes even satan blush in shame. Precisely because it is so unfair, unchivalrous, dishonorable is why it's so special, because every established tenet of the good vs. evil confrontation screams that THAT'S NOW HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN .

Knockout gas for me too...

1. Overwhelmed by superior numbers, or harder stronger opponent.
2. Darted, staggering and dropping hard.
3. Enforced surrender.
4. Cold-cocked.
5. Booby-trap or fatal decision.

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My all time favorite way to see a heroine defeated is for her to be defeated and/or restrained so that her energy can be drained via her privates. For example either her crotch is her one weak spot, or the villain has a superpower or device that can drain the energy that way.

To some (most) this is way weird. To me it is very sexy though. But then again I'm basically an alien I'm so weird.

So, what star cluster are you from m8? In my nebula, we go a bit further and we like to imagine that the heroine's privates are actually the source of her powers, and the ladyflower is the point through where the powers get inside her.

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I prefer knockout by gas/cloth. Whether it be by pellets, grenade, surprise spray such as Wonder Woman's encounter with Baroness von Gunther or the cloth, I like them all.

Nice to see that a lot of people like knock-out gas. I'm into the toxic kind, I like it to make the heroine feeble and sick, but not knock her out completely. If she's unconscious it takes away from the charm.

I'd also say defeated in a fair fight. No gas, dirty tricks, drugs, etc. Just plain got their ass kicked, especially with lots of witnesses around. Psychologically, it would really do a number on a superheroine. Even if she survives the trap, she has to doubt her abilities and wonder if it's ever possible to defeat the villain.
Losing a fair fight in public would be quite humiliating, too.

I like a group of heroines. Beaten in a fair fight. Overwhelmed. Then marched away as prisoners.

For me would have to say straight beat down for what ever heroine they always seem to sure or to confident of what ever powers they have, but there is someone or something that is more powerful
That's my opinion the defeat in battle !

So many great options it's pretty hard to pick. I'd have to go with a male on female signature move KO.
Bane's backbreaker or some kind of finisher you see in fighting games or pro wrestling.
Nothing gets the blood pumping like a choreographed fight sequence with the villain setting up the heroine for an ultimate knockout.

I always prefer & enjoy a sexy scene where a superheroine in a tight lycra leotard costume & knee high boots fights a large amount of thugs, the more the better! It’s always hot to see her entering the scene cocky, overconfident & full of verbal authority, displaying her super strength, super powers & hot combat fighting skills. During a good lengthy fight she decimates all thugs around her kicking total ass, some of the thugs start looking at her as if she is invincible.

Then as the superheroine fights on, more thugs arrive & she begins to get outnumbered, even with her super powers, agility & might, the thugs start getting in a large amount of hits on her. The superheroine keeps moving her tight body valiantly; she keeps fighting on until a solid hard hit knocks her down & out, defeating her! I too love that, seeing a hot superheroine taken down by a thug!

To see a superheroine defeated with underhanded tricks, I think its hot watching her deal with that kind of peril!
I always enjoy the action of a sexy scenario where Wonder Woman is kicking ass against a large amount of thugs, displaying her super strength, super powers, agility & might in a good long battle showing her total superiority.

Then after a while, a big tough thug knocks Wonder Woman with a hard, virtual impossible hit, sending her stumbling back for a few seconds, giving another thug enough time to run behind her, and then remove her golden power belt & golden magic lasso! Wonder Woman is depowered & she fights on continuing the lengthy battle with her awesome Amazon combat fighting skills, still knocking down the thugs for a while.


Eventually Wonder Woman begins to tire, she starts moving her arms up to slowly to defend against some of the thugs hard & fast blows. The thugs all tackle her, holding her down, strongly gripping onto different parts of her body, with large amounts of costume destruction. Soon after the sexy, athletic, famous Wonder Woman is defeated!

I love both superheroine movie types; partial nude/ non-nude! It’s always sexy to see superheroine movies with a bit of partial nudity, it intensifies the sexy defeat of the superheroine, non- nude superheroine movies have a sexy class all of their own, without going too far!

I think it’s hot when watching a Superheroine movie & the superheroine shouts during a moment of peril, something like; get off me, you won’t get away with this, I will get you for this, ect... When the superheroine really expresses her anger verbally, it makes the peril scene seem a lot more realistic & exciting for me!

Every superheroine fan has their own likes & dislikes in superheroine movie scenarios, that’s what makes it fun!

I'm only into fem vs fem fighting. Wrestling, boxing or catfighting.
I like a superheroine overpowered in a fair fight by a villainess.
A fair fight in which the bad girl has same superpowers, or in which both are without superpowers.
My cup of tea is when the villainess isn't taller, but far larger and bigger titted.
The supposed strong superheroine, without her advantages, prowes much weaker of the opponent.
She was strong only because of her superpowers. Only with her normal body she is weaker than her foe.
I love when the bad girl dominates and teases her. I love when the superheroine is frightened.
I love when the good girl admits to being the weakest and begs for mercy.
What a humiliation for the heroine in front of a lot of people who thought she was so strong and believed in her.
In a fair fight the superheroine is only a weak frail little girl.
That's my fetish.

Anything but a beat down is my preference for defeating a superheroine. No blood--sanitized fantasy only. Screw reality...

I enjoy seeing all sorts of knockouts for superheroines -- variety is great! But the ultimate thrill is seeing one of my heroines losing a fair fight to a superior opponent. Overwhelmed and punched out by either a male or female foe. (I don't want to see any blood or bruises to mar her beauty, though...)

I know in the comics Wonder Woman was forced to knock herself out with a punch to the face(then carried away ots) It was delicious

Richpartist wrote:I know in the comics Wonder Woman was forced to knock herself out with a punch to the face(then carried away ots) It was delicious

I remember that one. That was a fun KO scene!

One of the best defeats I ever saw was in SHIB's Lady Justice vs The Hotel Burglars. Lady Justice has the upper hand on one of the female burglars and suddenly the other burglar knocks her over the head with something. It gets even better when shortly after that scene one is holding her up by the arms and the other starts fondling her.

Defeated and on her knees with her top ripped open and and a big evil cock sliding in and out then unloading his load and it drips down her chin on to her breast. But i csnt find a good video like that. Lol

I'd like to see a gang up, maybe 2 or 3 guys ambush her. It's a coordinated attack, they know what they are doing and she's taken by surprise. Add in a nice sexy chloro and they cart her away ala Fausta's henchmen. Very sexy.

Lurkndog wrote:
Tranquilizer darts are more interesting to me because back in 70's we saw them used for real on nature shows, but I never saw them used in fictional TV, and particularly not against superheroines.

Likewise I've seen some great gas scenes in spy movies (I'm thinking of the beginning of Innerspace), but I never saw anything as good as that on superhero shows.

About the tranquilizer darts, there is an interesting scene in Darna , the filipino superheroine.

boneba wrote:One of the best defeats I ever saw was in SHIB's Lady Justice vs The Hotel Burglars. Lady Justice has the upper hand on one of the female burglars and suddenly the other burglar knocks her over the head with something. It gets even better when shortly after that scene one is holding her up by the arms and the other starts fondling her.

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Love that scene, is this video still available anywhere?

RedMountain wrote:

boneba wrote:One of the best defeats I ever saw was in SHIB's Lady Justice vs The Hotel Burglars. Lady Justice has the upper hand on one of the female burglars and suddenly the other burglar knocks her over the head with something. It gets even better when shortly after that scene one is holding her up by the arms and the other starts fondling her.

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Love that scene, is this video still available anywhere?

I agree. That looks hot

Not that I'm aware of, unless you got ahold of the producer over at SHIB

Drugged - gas, dart whatever - making her woozy and weakened. Trying to resist / fight, but just too off her tits to manage it. Definitely not unconscious, got to be aware of what's happening but too out of it to function properly.