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Greetings.

I wanted to let everyone know that before the end of the year all of our recent videos will be going up in price. We have seen that $1/minute (at least $.75/minute) is still the going rate on all the top producers on clips4sale. We are aware that some other producers often have higher "production value" but Our videos are very expensive to produce due to the XXX content and continued efforts to improve in production and post production. It was hoped that our pricing would broaden our fan base to make it a profitable effort. However due to the time and cost of producing superheroine content it is actually the least profitable part of our studio.

Should our fans not find our productions to be worth the higher price we will be discontinuing the production of superheroine videos and focusing on other themes. We do not intend to produce anymore SIP this year and once the last of the videos we have already shot is posted we will be implementing a 10% to 30% price increase depending on video length

SIP has been by far the content I have am the most passionate about producing but content production is our full time occupation.

Thank you, in advance, I hope, for your support

Michael

BTW
Wonder Kenna cannot stop me this time. I have her tied up with her own lasso and I have taken her boots

All of your videos? Even the ones that are over $30? The most recent video is almost $40 and appears to be a fair price based on the length. If it goes over $40, then that would be extremely expensive for the average hardcore fan.

I am not going to go into what specific producers are charging. But our last video is 75 minutes long. Has two forced O scenes, a bj, a full g/g and a full bgg. When you compare it to the price of the other c4s top ten Superheroine producers we are coming in around $.50/minute while they are at $.75-$1.00/minute. Most of that is not XXX content.

If the quality or production value of our videos is that much lower then our peers, we need to focus our efforts elsewhere. Before offering videos in parts is suggested I can say that it was not beneficial when we did it in the past.

We will be putting out a few shorter videos, so not everything we put out will be over $30, but overall we are going to have to match the price of the other producers per minute.

Unless miraculously the average number of sales per video goes up meaning that we are at the right "target price". Or I win the lottery and just get to do this because I love it.

Michael

I am now turning control back to WonderKenna

Michael

Nobody wants to pay more than they have to, but you do things that other studios don't, and that has value.

Could also be the market is saturated.
http://superheroineforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23367
This thread seems to explain this issue.

Are you serious? Primal's is stopping superheroine video production because they aren't profitable?

Most of the other studios' videos advertise "higher production value," but their actual productions usually aren't. It's a damn shame that you guys have to resort to raising the price. I can't believe people actually complain about the cost of your videos. I know C4S takes a huge cut, but so many of your superheroine clips outsell everyone else's on C4S, I'm just shocked that it's still not enough to stay in the black. I mean seriously, no other studio gives more bang for the buck. Primal's videos are the perfect balance of content, quality, and price. I can't believe that people would actually complain about the value of your work. Especially when I've seen other producers/models sell $20 ripoffs on C4S for a 12-minute clip, complete with filler 2-minute credits.

I know Primal has different stores that cater to other more modestly-budgeted fetishes, but it's just a shame that it's your superheroine store, despite being a perennial top store on C4S, isn't profitable due to the costs.

I completely understand this logic. Is there a reason why the latest video couldn't be split into a 2-parter? And I'm not intending to step on any toes since I'm also a producer in SIP broadening my adult content. I get a lot of fans who recommend your studio so I'm more curious than anything.

The cost has a lot to do with trying to get all the fetish details right while using XXX performers. Usually their shoots are maybe 4 hours long. If they are longer then it is mostly them sitting around waiting for the production crew, hair and make-up and that stuff. Our shoots easily take 12 hours to get through, at least. So we are paying more than the big XXX companies do for our videos. We also keep trying to improve costumes and were really looking to get a suitable studio to improve our sets

If we make our own site where we can consistently make more than 60% of the video sale it might change our plans. Michael wanted to raise prices at the end of the month. I pushed for end of the year. We settled on after the last of what we have shot gets posted.

We have been offering the full version and g/g versions of a lot of the bigger videos between our different stores. I am not sure if they will have get split into a Part one and Part two.

If every video did as well as Mighty Girl, Liberty and Justice, American Avenger 1&2 we would be be on top of the world. I think Thunder girl and Lightning Lass is on its way to being in that category too.

Who knows, we have few videos left on the shelf, maybe they will be one hit after another, then I just put get my lasso hop on a plane and have a meeting with Michael and we have another discussion..."tell me the truth...you LOVE producing superheroine videos...DON"T YOU!"

Your vids have always been exceptional value for the money - a price hike just makes them GOOD value for the money - still worth every penny.
I hope the SH content does continue.
Great models, great costumes, great peril, great job.

Quite frankly, I've always been amazed at how low your prices are. I mean, it seems like some of your videos are around $0.50 a minute or less, and that's just an insanely good deal. So even with a 30% increase, they are still a great value, IMO.

Michael / Wonderkenna,

I am a huge fan of your videos. I think your videos are the best in the genre and they offer something that nobody else is offering. I agree that so far your videos having been a bargain when you analyze how much you charge and how much you offer.

Speaking as a fan, for me it would be very difficult to pay 75 USD for just one video even if it is a 75 minute video. It is not that it is not worth the money. It sure is. For me, personally, the 50 USD per video is kind of a psychological barrier. So it would be very difficult for me to spend 75 USD in one video, but I would spend 75 to buy one video divided in 2 parts and released on different dates (consecutive weeks). When you really think it does not make sense, but it is the way my mind works and it is possible that a lot of other people may think the same way.

Of course if the content is something that would really speak to my heart like another adventure of the Mighty Crusader with Dre Hazel, I could break my rule and go beyond the 50 USD mark. In fact I did that sometimes when purchasing some videos from Giga.

So I would suggest going with dividing the videos in 2 parts. I think that would keep your sales level even with the increase in price. Another good idea would be to create your own store. Based on what I read before is that a lot of producers with their stores have issues with the credit card processing companies. Besides this issue, I do not think leaving clips4 sale would have a negative impact on your sales. As far as I can see they do not do anything to promote your videos.

Anyway, probably I would continue to support your productions since they are so unique in the genre. For me it would be sad, if you are forced to stop producing superheroine content. Honestly every week I visit your site looking for a new release.

I hope you are able to work something out.

Thanks for all the great videos,

MCarvalh

looks like the consensus is, if you raise your prices but continue to put out a great product, the regulars are going to continue to be regulars, if it helps keep you doing what you are doing I know one fan for sure that is still going to be first to hit purchase now almost no matter how much you raise it, I know one studio that has great special effects and beautiful models and their stuff just inst worth it to me for the price and because it is lacking a few things that are non negotiable, you on the other hand (except for your refusal to use a unitard the way I want you to) still cover the gambit of exactly what I am looking for in my SHIP so either way, you are still first on my list, and I am not the only one, don't worry about the cost on our end (IMHO) just keep making what you make , using the talent you use, producing the stories you do and don't give up on it, I don't really get your other studios stuff cause it just isn't my thing but your SHIP is dead on what I want and I appreciate what you do buy purchasing what you produce. I know I cant keep you doing it alone but I am doing my part :P

In the three years since I first discovered your superheroine stores I've purchased just about every video you've released. I've done this because I can always count on seeing some, if not all, of the fetish elements I'm looking for. Over the years your productions have continued to improve but you've kept your prices relatively low. I've always been a little amazed about that considering your overhead for producing XXX content.

That said, I consider your product well worth the cost at any price and I'm will to pay a higher price to get it. Especially if it helps you continue to grow and produce great superheroine content. You have my support in all your endeavors.

What if you shortened the videos? I mean, 70 minutes is very long for a fetish video.

Primal will always have my support for the same reasons everyone gave on this site. I still think they are the best producers and they seem to only get better.

I'm a semi-regular customer and I'll definitely keep buying your videos if the content remains high quality. You're certainly one of my favourite producers, the only one of whom includes XXX content. If prices need to rise, I understand.

Well this is disappointing (as long as this isn't a ruise to get everyone to go out and buy your vids, I can't help but noticed you have a few re-entries in the top 50 )

No can argue that you guys don't give the best value for money around. But persoannly speaking I'd prefer a really good 20mn clip for $20 then a 75min clip for $35. I just really don't think any fetish clip needs to be feature length. So if bringing the length down lead to less overheads then I'd be in favour, but I know it probably doesn't work like that.

If you guys did leave there would be a huge gap in the market. It's not just that you are the best hardcore SiP producers out there but the best full stop, you get the tone just right as far as I am concerned in terms of shame/seduction.

Basically, once a girl is going to have a penis go in her, she is getting paid full XXX rate. So that kind of money for a 20 minute clip would not work out at all. If is XXX it has to be a feature for us to have any chance at making money. Their are some exceptions with models that REALLY like us

Our SIP vids do well as far as total sales, but the cost a lot so... Also, the top 50 is a 7 day ranking, and most of our fans buy immediately so we get a temporary high ranking on the clip, but you don't see our SIP hang in the top overall for more than 7 days. Now, TG and LL is what we really hope for when we make a video (so far). It looks like it could be our top grossing SIP ever.

WonderKenna wrote:Basically, once a girl is going to have a penis go in her, she is getting paid full XXX rate. So that kind of money for a 20 minute clip would not work out at all. If is XXX it has to be a feature for us to have any chance at making money. Their are some exceptions with models that REALLY like us

I would buy just as many videos if there were no b/g in them (I'd prefer it, to be honest) and they were shorter. Keep the incredible costumes and reluctance/psychological aspects and I'll buy eve more. I know lots of people like the b/g parts but I personally feel like even though I really enjoy your videos, I'm paying mainly for the parts I'm not interested in.

@lamejojo

We do have alternate versions on our superheroine shame store with the bg sex edited out, they sell way less, I think the number is less then 10%

WonderKenna wrote:@lamejojo

We do have alternate versions on our superheroine shame store with the bg sex edited out, they sell way less, I think the number is less then 10%

I know you do in most cases. There have been some that haven't and I've purchased the versions with b/g. It's not a huge deal. I'm just expressing that there are some of us who would be fine with shorter superheroine videos with only g/g if that keeps the costs down. As much as I like your videos, I doubt I'd spend $60+ on a regular basis for one. Thanks for being responsive!

I just wanted to announce that we will be making the price increase at the end of this month. We seem to be the only company not staying very close to the $/minute formula and rankings on videos at that price are high enough on c4s that it is evident that is the price the market will bear. We do not feel that the content, quality or production value of our videos is sub-par and cannot continue offering videos at cut rate prices when the volume of sales does not justify it. It had been our hope that the number of videos sold would balance the lower sales price but that is not the case.

XXX content with any time put into quality production is EXTREMELY expensive. We love our fans and hope you understand, we kept our prices as low as we could for as long as we could

Kenna, Michael and the rest of the Primal Team

As I stated above your stuff is worth every penny, and it's always amazed me how they stayed so cheap for so long.
Quality is worth paying for.

said it before, ill say it again, while all the points may or may not be valid depending on everyone situation and requirements, pros and cons aside, you do have a fan base, loyal and supportive, I doubt you will notice a dip in sales from the regulars (like me) it isn't a surprise, you told us it was coming and you explained the hows and whys (not that you had to , but you did anyway) so if the product remains the same so will the demand, the accolades and praise (and requests) will keep coming, right in the superheroine's face!! (opps got distracted by verruca james in a wonderwoman costume,,,you know what I mean)
anyway, keep doing what you do WK, and so will we.

and more unitards and nylon, preferably both at the same time

if no one else will say it, have a great 4th to you WK, your cast and crew and to everyone else on the forum, BBQ responsibly :P and fireworks are not a valid light source

and don't forget rich and his family this week if you haven't already reached out, never hurts ones karma to put forth effort for others

put out positives for the benefit of others, receive them back ten fold in positives of selflessness.

Your videos are well worth it. Frankly, I'm surprised you were able to keep prices to low for so long.

Hello Everyone,

We have posted on some of our other threads about specific price changes to let everyone know. I wanted out fans to know that we are (have been) already putting more budget into costumes, locations, props and production time to increase the quality of our product. We appreciate the amazing support we have been getting and you will literally see where the money you spend on our videos is going

TIEnTEEZ wrote:Your videos are well worth it. Frankly, I'm surprised you were able to keep prices to low for so long.

Thank you TIEnTEEZ,

We really do appreciate your support on analytical feedback

ttb51m wrote:said it before, ill say it again, while all the points may or may not be valid depending on everyone situation and requirements, pros and cons aside, you do have a fan base, loyal and supportive, I doubt you will notice a dip in sales from the regulars (like me) it isn't a surprise, you told us it was coming and you explained the hows and whys (not that you had to , but you did anyway) so if the product remains the same so will the demand, the accolades and praise (and requests) will keep coming, right in the superheroine's face!! (opps got distracted by verruca james in a wonderwoman costume,,,you know what I mean)
anyway, keep doing what you do WK, and so will we.

and more unitards and nylon, preferably both at the same time

if no one else will say it, have a great 4th to you WK, your cast and crew and to everyone else on the forum, BBQ responsibly :P and fireworks are not a valid light source

and don't forget rich and his family this week if you haven't already reached out, never hurts ones karma to put forth effort for others

put out positives for the benefit of others, receive them back ten fold in positives of selflessness.

Thanks TT, I hope you like our upcoming releases. And Veruca will be back in a few months to do more superheroine content for us. And probably more Vampire too

tallyho wrote:As I stated above your stuff is worth every penny, and it's always amazed me how they stayed so cheap for so long.
Quality is worth paying for.

Thank you. We kept the price as low as we could for as long as we could. Basically we figured out the maximum fans that buy our best selling videos hits a ceiling that hasn't really gone up in the past year. We can't seem to get more sales so we have to get more per video. We are going to be putting more into our production value in upcoming productions to see if we can win over just a few more fans

You must do what you think is best for business. I can no longer afford your videos and will probably buy them on occasion. It's nothing personal. I'm not going to pay over $50 for a porno especially with the recent release having very little sex in them.

you guys gotta do what you gotta do. If I find a video on your page that is worth it preferably superheroine hypnosis with two girls exploring each others body I don't mind paying a bit extra for quality production value.

my major gripe with the genre is the ever present knock out moments, surely there have to be other ways to resolve a video?

There may be other factors affecting business. The fact that I get hit with a massive drive-by download of hundreds of megabytes of animated GIFs makes it painful to navigate your clips4sale store.

I get that you want to give people a lot of information about the videos, but the files seriously don't need to be that big.

240 MB of GIFs on the first page alone. That's pretty excessive.

WOW-Girl wrote:Is just me or you suddenly look excessively busy and active bringing all your videos back into the limelight now that cost are going higher. Not trying to be accusatory or anything but your sense of timing look comedic too much good to be wasted.

That's the kind of situation best fit for a convoluted evil scheme that could only be seen in some weird fetishistic movie, do you have any plans for trying monopolizing the Clips4Sale market and turns all content providers and their respective actress and actors into your unwilling slaves and minions Ms WonderKenna ?

No, I am definitely specifically letting everyone know that the price of the videos is going up so they can take a last look and see if it something they have been holding off on buying. Not being subtle at all lol.

But I really LOVE having minions

Clips4sale is supposed to be switching to an option that allows the gifs to load when scrolled over or clicked on. Feel free to contact Michael about technical suggestions. He always enjoys being told how to do his job better

Heroine Addict wrote:There may be other factors affecting business. The fact that I get hit with a massive drive-by download of hundreds of megabytes of animated GIFs makes it painful to navigate your clips4sale store.

I get that you want to give people a lot of information about the videos, but the files seriously don't need to be that big.

240 MB of GIFs on the first page alone. That's pretty excessive.

yeah the GIFs could be tailored down. I appreciate that they want to show that much so I know what I'm buying, but I think you probably sell/market the videos with a bit less. I've had the page crash before or just give up trying to load the GIFs, and I'm on a computer that is powerful enough to edit video and do several other things simultaneously, so it's definitely not me.

Apparently I'm in the (silent) minority on this but it seems to be a recurring subject regarding size of the GIF files. They do a better job of selling me on buying the video than those worthless random 11 second videos that clips 4 sales uses. I like the level of detail I see in the GIF's that you use. No issues on my end with these loading up. Some producers GIF's also do not provide enough detail for me as well.

I've only purchased a few videos from you (not made of money) if it peaks my interest I'll get it. I need to see what I'm buying. I do take the time to read the plot associated with the videos as well, however I generally read after I've reviewed the GIF's. The majority of my SIP videos are from you. Keep up the good work and the price point should not affect my decision to purchase your videos in the future.