Lack of Marvel Superheroines (aka Why DC)

[bap]

Having seen a number of sites with superheroines I noticed that the majority of the video have characters mainly based on DC creations. What is wrong with characters based on Marvel people? I mean they have some great characters like Black Cat, X23 (the female version of wolverine), and the Black Widow.

I could just see Kendra James playing a Jean Grey style heroine. Cali Logan as say X23 or Black Cat and Charlie Laine as a Scarlet Witch persona and Tara as Rouge.

Just wondered of anyone else had noticed this trend.

[RedMountain]

Probably because DC has more of the "iconic" superheroines with Batgirl, Wonder Woman, etc. Marvel doesn't have a whole lot of heroines that are on the front lines.

[frightiningcow]

I think it's because these characters have all had a real world actresses which has put them more in the public consciousness and helped producers large and small to visualize how the character can be brought out of the pages. not to mention the mainstream versions of them are already pretty sexed up. It's also easier to fake their abilities batgirl and catwoman are just human and supergirl and wonder woman you only really need to fake speed and strength.

I do which black cat would get more time though she is pretty much Catwoman with exposed cleavage and even in the comics is a very promiscuous woman

[lamejojo]

Personally, I'd love to see a sexy Scarlet Witch video.

[Camvoy]

Not all is lost when it comes to the Marvel fandom. It's all in where you look.

Hypnotics World has featured Arachnia Girl, who's based on Spider-Woman (red/yellow costume version).

Metro City Heroines just recently debuted Thundergirl, whose costume is based on Ms. Marvel (black leotard with the sharp gold S design version).

At League of Amazing Women, they have characters like Blue Arachnid (Spidergirl), American Avenger (American Dream) and even a villainess, Toxin whose costume is patterned after a female version of Venom. There's also Red Clan Ninja, whose look is inpisred by Elektra.

Granted, there are still plenty of Supers, Bats and Wonders out there and there's certainly nothing wrong with that. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a take on Glory (white haired Amazon superheroine from Image) or maybe Avengelyne.

[cfludd]

new-goddess had a popular Black Widow series and did a few called Storm, who was white, but had a Ms. Marvel-like costume (I think Dave Cockrum designed Ms. Marvel's new costume and he created Storm).

The DC live-action series are so influential to this genre (in addition to Electra Woman, Isis, Wilma Deering on Buck Rogers, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, etc.,), we're probably going to continue to see these variations heroines instead of Invisible Girl, Wasp, Scarlet Witch, etc., who we've only started seeing recently in media outside of comics. Marvel has never had a memorable female character outside of comics. I remember reading somewhere how they failed in the 70's with Spider-Woman to be licensed for Underoos, etc., she even had a cartoon show but fell into obscurity

[lamejojo]

It seems to me that DC heroines have been more successful, particularly in live action, because DC had heroines that were more "physical" in that they were brawler types (Wonder Woman, Batgirl, and Supergirl being the big ones) and easier to bring to the screen before special effects got to the level they're at now. Marvel's heroines have always had less-physical powers like telekinesis, pseudo-magic, and the ability to become invisible, which have been, until recently difficult to portray onscreen in a convincing way.

[sandrock74]

Personally, I'd love to see a sexy Scarlet Witch video.

I agree with this!

[SGWriter]

Probably cause when we're younger DC is usually the first comic universe we're exposed too. Although for me I like the characters there more.

[Superheroinegirl22]

Cause DC is better.

[batgirl1969]

The dc girls always seem more innocent and easy to corrupt and capture. The marvel universe seems to be much kinkier...the x-men girls wearing spandex that is so tight you can see it all and the villians who wear bondage outfits...like the white and black queens......sue richards seems just made for kinky situations and traps...she is so tiny and cute and blonde.....her weakness is that isn't very strong and someone could capture her if she was caught off guard. I would love to see more marvel girls in bdsm and peril....the spandex catsuits are awesome!

[cfludd]

Also, none of Marvel's heroines are stand alone characters, like WW, Supergirl, Batgirl, even Black Canary, Power Girl have all had individual series at one point but Marvel's major super heroines ... Invisible Woman, Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Storm, Rogue, Marvel Girl/Phoenix, etc., all have ties to super-groups. She-Hulk is maybe their best female stand alone character, but she's not popular outside of comics. There we're promotional pics of Brigette Nielsen as the She-Hulk years ago, but that's as far as that went (I think Melisa Gilbert was supposed to be the female David Banner)

[elusivepenguin]

The DC girls have better costumes. Scarlet Witch from Marvel is the only exception.

[tamonicus]

DC expanded its superheroines beyond comic books and Saturday morning first. Batgirl was on Batman around 1968, Wonder Woman was on TV around 1975, Supergirl had a movie around 1984, and Batgirl reappeared in a Batman movie around 1994. That's why they're more int the public consciousness.

But as of late, Marvel's been doing a better job through their movies. Let's face it: Halle Berry, Famke Janssen, Rebecca Romijn, Jennifer Garner, and Scarlett Johansson are at least good actresses who really look the part. As a group, I find them more believable as superheroines than Yvonne Craig, Lynda Carter, Helen Slater, and Alicia Silverstone. So the dominance DC has been enjoying may come to an abrupt end.

[cfludd]

I think that

[cfludd]

As a group, I find them more believable as superheroines than ... Lynda Carter

I think that's heroine blasphemy

[Superheroinegirl22]

DC expanded its superheroines beyond comic books and Saturday morning first. Batgirl was on Batman around 1968, Wonder Woman was on TV around 1975, Supergirl had a movie around 1984, and Batgirl reappeared in a Batman movie around 1994. That's why they're more int the public consciousness.

But as of late, Marvel's been doing a better job through their movies. Let's face it: Halle Berry, Famke Janssen, Rebecca Romijn, Jennifer Garner, and Scarlett Johansson are at least good actresses who really look the part. As a group, I find them more believable as superheroines than Yvonne Craig, Lynda Carter, Helen Slater, and Alicia Silverstone. So the dominance DC has been enjoying may come to an abrupt end.

I disagree, Slater's problem was the script/story for her film sucked, but she was great. And Berry is horribly as Storm as she was "Horrible" as Catwoman. and Craig would have been perfect if she was a red head.

Scarlet I think is probably the best female casting a Marvel film has had so far.

[cfludd]

I don't think anybody will ever have embodied a superheroine like Lynda Carter/Wonder Woman. As for Batgirl/Yvonne Craig, I had Batgirl's creator as an instructor in college, and he told me how they created Barbara Gordon Batgirl for the show, so the comics character is really based on the actress

[Superheroinegirl22]

The show came up up with the Idea for the character, but she still introduce din the comics months before she appeared on the show, when exactly Craig was cast I don't know.

[Shakeshift]

I agree with the comment that NOT thinking that Lynda Carter was a "believable superheroine" is nothing but damnable blasphemy. Lynda Carter cemented her SHiP goddess-hood with FAUSTA, THE NAZI WONDER WOMAN and it is still measured as the gold standard that all superheroines should adhere to.

Dude, you can knock Adam West all you want until the cows come home for his portrayal as Batman, but I'll still put him up against Nicholas Hammond as SPIDER-MAN any day because Adam is still around and Nicholas popped and flashed. That Marvel sauce was WEAK.

[Camvoy]

DC was able to beat Marvel to the punch when it came to mainstream appeal. No matter how cool and hip Marvel becomes to the kids who wish to show how awesome they are and no matter how many times they vote for Storm to beat Wonder Woman in a fight (yet another reason I tend to not get along too well or mingle much with other comic fans), none of it will change that DC was able to settle into the mainstream before Marvel could even figure out how to get there.

The result of that permeates to this day, particularly in the Perilverse, where the DC homages appear more prevalent. Adam West's Batman and Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman solidified this with their mixture of camp and peril, leaving us more perverted types to take care of the more, "adult," details in our own work while inspired by theirs. One could point to The Incredible Hulk series that was around during the days of Wonder Woman...but I'm pretty sure that's not gonna hold up too well in terms of fun-filled camp or peril.

[HeroineFanboy]

Right on! Am I the only one who's sick of seeing endless iterations of Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Batgirl, and Powergirl in one video after the nex? There is so much potential with the MARVEL characters! C'mon, producers, give it a try for 2013. I think fans of superheroine peril would be chomping at the bit for videos of any of these characters:

1. Ms. Marvel
2. Phoenix
3. Psylocke
4. Spider-Woman
5. Black Widow
6. Invisible Woman
7. Storm
8. Rogue
9. Black Cat
10. Scarlet Witch

Just to name a few.

[Mr. X]

I agree. Don't know why DC is so often used. Could be DC has more stand alone iconic heroines than Marvel. Marvel tends to team their heroines and rarely has stand alone lines where as DC has lines for Wonder Woman, Supergirl etc.

Black cat would be good as well as black widow.

But I also notice DC females are skipped like Huntress, Black Canary etc.

Could also be Marvel costumes are harder to get. I do recall someone making a Spider Woman video a while back with tickling. She was pretty busty too.

[EvilBilly]

Rachel Steele and Goldie Blair also both did videos with Spider Woman costumes.

[tallyho]

There was a Fetish Con pic from a few years back of Tomiko as Spiderwoman and she looked FABULOUS. can't find it though.
Think she has done a vid also.

[Shakeshift]

The answer is simple. Once Disney acquired Marvel, nobody is interested in fighting the Disney legal team for a copyright violation. Their lawyers are tenacious and (more or less) unforgiving. There are no C&D notices. There's just a court date stamped on the letter.

No fetish producer who is smart will touch a Disney product. It's not worth the risk. Ever.

[gorillaatlarge]

Hi Shakeshift,...How can we get in touch with your movies now. I used to be able to connect with them thru Bound Comics. Now I can't hook up with either your videos nor Bound Comics. Thanks for the info..

[Mr. X]

The answer is simple. Once Disney acquired Marvel, nobody is interested in fighting the Disney legal team for a copyright violation. Their lawyers are tenacious and (more or less) unforgiving. There are no C&D notices. There's just a court date stamped on the letter.

No fetish producer who is smart will touch a Disney product. It's not worth the risk. Ever.

Yup that's a big issue though we got a C&D from DC for a character that didn't even look like Wonder Woman. I'm still amazed how many producers put a girl flat out into a Wonder Woman or Supergirl or Batgirl suit and NOT think they could get shut down. Fine its parody. That will cost thousands of dollars explaining that in court. Pretty expensive for being "right".

BTW can't wait for Disney to go after Star Wars stuff. I worked for Disney as a contractor and they under paid, over worked and discarded employees like useless toilet paper plus they mismanaged their product development so badly its a wonder they get anything done. My guess is Marvel's productivity will drop.

I thought it was Walt as the old man in Prometheus.

[Gus Goreman, Jr.]

The answer is simple. Once Disney acquired Marvel, nobody is interested in fighting the Disney legal team for a copyright violation. Their lawyers are tenacious and (more or less) unforgiving. There are no C&D notices. There's just a court date stamped on the letter.

No fetish producer who is smart will touch a Disney product. It's not worth the risk. Ever.

DC Entertainment is owned by Time Warner ... I'm sure their lawyers are also tenacious and (more or less) unforgiving. As previously mentioned (by someone in another thread on this forum), I don't know why Marvel or DC has yet to come down on the copyright infringement, but let's pray they continue to ignore our genre.

My guess as to why DC characters are ofted used more than Marvel would because until recently their characters weren't represented in live action. If there had been a Ms. Mar
vel television show or if She-Hulk was on The Incredible Hulk we'd likely see more videos based on them.

[Mr. X]

Except for Wonder Woman, Batgirl and Supergirl, who gets represented in live action? Marvel has had Electra, Black Widow, Sue Storm, All the xmen chics. I guess DC did birds of prey. But yeah very little TV time for the Marvel girls.

I think it has to do with DC more supporting stand alone female characters than Marvel does. Marvel always has groups and very few iconic female characters. Ask most people to name a female super hero and I think most would mention either Wonder Woman, Supergirl or Batgirl.

For example, when they do a DC vs Marvel line up they always pair up fairly well but when matching Wonder Woman there is no counterpart other than maybe Rouge or Storm or maybe She Hulk or some obscure mutant. I believe the last head to head Wonder Woman beat Thor (Thor seems to be everyone's bitch). Of course superman is hard to pair as well and he's either gimped or he flat out wins. I think Silver aged Superman beat the whole Avengers, broke Thor's arm, took his hammer and Captain America's shield.

I think Marvel suffers from too many characters and literally millions of mutants which they brought back in Avengers vs XMen. But no iconic female characters.

[Shakeshift]

Gorilla,

Hey, how are you? Good to hear from you again! I'm on Clips4Sale under "League of Amazing Women" and "Superheroine Adventures By Dawnstar" (stores #15367 and #15369) and you can find me on various public and private forum boards (Heroine Movies, Superheroine HQ, Yahoo Groups, The Colonnade, Superwomen Mania etc...) pimping my various fetish projects.

Since the changes made to League of Amazing Women, I'm not really a contributing producer there any more. The restructure included less emphasis on stories and comic-book verbage, so my own contributions there are just not as valuable as they used to be. I still work for Vesta, mainly though on their C4S page. I do personal projects here and there for them, including this private photo story that hasn't been released on their website yet, called "The Cross-Time Conspiracy : The Bride of Hitler" with Pandora Jones, ClaireV, Shauna Ryanne, Luna Perigigm, and Caroline Pierce.

[Visitor]

Back in 1981 Time-Warner lost a lawsuit to stop The Greatest American Hero and they have lost others when their opponents had the money to fight them in court. C&D works best when there isn't the money.

[Imagineer]

Mr. X has it right.

Batgirl was part of an iconic live-action TV series that was in reruns for many years and put a tingle in the pants of many a young person.

Wonder Woman starred in an iconic live-action TV series that was in reruns for many years and put a tingle in the pants of many a young person.

Supergirl... had a movie. And wears a skirt. And is the girl version of the single most iconic superhero ever.

So why Powergirl? Cleavage window.

Consider also that both Batgirl and Wonder Woman were repeatedly imperiled. Physically restrained by henchmen, gassed, tied up, shown squirming and helpless. That makes an impression.


The Marvel universe was pretty much a no-show in live-action until the X-Men in 2000, and even today movies don't get the replay frequency of a TV series in reruns back in the day. People having formative tingle-pants moments to live-action Marvel movies are only now becoming old enough to buy their own porn.

Plus, Elektra wore pants.

Pants, FFS.

[Mr. X]

I kind of feel sorry for the new generation. They don't have their own fun shows. Instead they get handed hand me downs from our generation. Even movies aren't new stories or ideas but just rehashed old TV shows.

Also I hate to say it but the current media are prudes compared to the older set. Wonder woman was FUN! You watched cause you were hoping for "fun stuff" and they gave it to you (at least in the first season). Heck she gets chloroed and tied up in like the second episode in probably the most chloro iconic scene ever. Plus she got the cloth one more time and Debra Winger got it twice. All in season one.

We had great shows. wonder Woman, Batman with Batgirl, Mission Impossible had some memorable scenes, most of the crime drama shows had kinkiness.

Now a days things are more vanilla and boring. I'm sure there are some fun scenes but nothing memorable. Could be this whole fetish will die off after a while, who knows.

But then we always get new comers so its not like young people don't know or dislike the fetishes.

[sam]

Seriously, Randy Moore would make a perfect Ms. Marvel. I'd love to see someone play Psylocke as well!

[Maskfan]

Seriously, Randy Moore would make a perfect Ms. Marvel. I'd love to see someone play Psylocke as well!

If I recall, Akira Lane did a character named Psystryke for Superheroine Central which resembled Psylocke.

[Mr. X]

Seriously, Randy Moore would make a perfect Ms. Marvel. I'd love to see someone play Psylocke as well!

If I recall, Akira Lane did a character named Psystryke for Superheroine Central which resembled Psylocke.

Yup and she did two movies including a trophy hunter.

[Imagineer]

Akira Lane as Psystrike is still one of my favorites. That woman can gyrate...

[SupergirlLover]

I agree with you all that there should be more marvel out there I am partial to Psylocke myself. There are vids on Clips4sale that have Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Phoenix (Dark). There was also a Heroine website that catered specifically to Marvel heroines not sure where that website is now, only thing you find these days are those stupid tube sites.

But honestly When you have Supergirl all others are unnessessary, unless they co-star or guest-star.

[theScribbler]

Yep, as iconic as WW, SG and BG are, seems a good idea to bring on less used babes, be it Marvel, other DC characters like Zatanna, and original characters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superheroines

P.S. hope the rumor is true that Ms. Marvel might be in Avengers 2. They need at least one other babe besides Black Widow. And one with actual powers. Wait, did I say at least one? I meant they need as many superheroines as they have superheroes.

[Unmaskee]

I believe DC have an agreement where you're kind of allowed to make your own versions of their stuff. Someone told me it once but I don't know if its true. Maybe DC just don't particularly care that much. I do think DC do superheroines better though and of course as mentioned there's the TV element to it.

[batgirl1969]

Would pay good $$ to see White Queen dominate Kitty Pride, Jean grey, and Sue Storm in skin tight costumes.....wow...the hellfire club is awesome!! They have kings and queens!!

[Gus Goreman, Jr.]

I believe DC have an agreement where you're kind of allowed to make your own versions of their stuff. Someone told me it once but I don't know if its true. Maybe DC just don't particularly care that much. I do think DC do superheroines better though and of course as mentioned there's the TV element to it.

DC doesn't have a problem with fan films like the ones on youtube about Power Girl looking for a job or Robin on a date. I think Paul Levitz even said they were cool with them. However, its not a fan film once you start selling videos with their characters, that's copyright infringement.

[SupergirlLover]

Hey marvel fans (the maybe 3 or so that there are) joking
this guy from ebay used to make Marvel costumes wangshan2008
Also the girl who runs harlequin studios on C4S makes her own costumes
and may do some marvel at request.

Problem solved.

??? The costume thing on ebay is some producers accept costumes
for vids right? there explained

thoughts jumbled don't have time for grammar and syntax blah blah blah

[dantoon]

Getting back on topic...

I've noticed a large absence of Marvel superheroines (or characters inspired by them) in most films. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Firebird, Dark Widow and the Girls of X series, but even then those are few and far between compared to those based on DC heroines. Most of the time it's some variation of Supergirl, Wonder Woman or Batgirl, which admittedly gets pretty old. Marvel has a ton of good superheroines, like Rogue, Carol Danvers (Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel versions), Jean Grey, Invisible Woman, Elektra, Scarlet Witch and a lot more. I think the SHP industry could use some variety, rather than the same three (DC) superheroines.

[Shakeshift]

Again, Marvel (owned by Disney) is MUCH more likely to take legal action or send a cease-and-desist order against anyone using their properties. Most producers don't want to drop money on a project and then get contacted by a lawyer. It's not worth the money or the hassle. The sales are (frankly) not much better than the usual heroines you see.

[Heroine Addict]

It also comes down to what is deemed iconic in popular culture. Wonder Woman and Batgirl reached a global audience of many millions of people in live action TV shows that are still rerun decades later. Supergirl's movie was a bit of a flop, but it's still in the public consciousness. Besides, she's essentially a female version of the most iconic superhero ever.

The impractical costumes from the 60s/70s/80s are still considered sexy by many of us fetishists today. A lot of the videos are essentially presenting copies of the Lynda Carter Woman Woman in situations many of us always fantasized while watching that show all those years ago. The same goes for Batgirl and Supergirl.

Marvel superheroines simply don't have that much history in live action.

Also, bear in mind that the disparity isn't just between DC and Marvel, but rather it's between the iconic 3 DC heroines and literally every other superheroine from DC, Marvel and all other publishers. Power Girl and Spider-Woman get a few videos, but nowhere near as many as the iconic 3.

[DrDominator9]

The Fantastic Four would probably make an interesting team for a fetish video since they're pretty well known, but the effects budget would be prohibitive. Hmm, unless some how you caught them all in a room and used a special gas that prevented them from using their powers.

[Heroine Addict]

The Fantastic Four would probably make an interesting team for a fetish video since they're pretty well known, but the effects budget would be prohibitive. Hmm, unless some how you caught them all in a room and used a special gas that prevented them from using their powers.

The problem is that only one of the Fantastic Four is a sexy female and her power makes her turn invisible. Even if the whole team were women, you would have:
Woman who turns invisible - Not a sexy power!
Woman who turns into a fireball - A disturbing-looking power!
Woman with stretchy bits - Would look weird!
Woman rock monster - No. Just NO!

It sounds like a real cock-drooper. Your idea of stripping them of their powers could work, though.

[DrDominator9]

There was actually a quite well-done work of fiction with the FF where they were all separated and even with their powers were overwhelmed and then sexually compromised. I may have it in my files. If I can find who wrote it I'll post it and give them credit.

Edited -- additional note: Well, I found the story by Juniper but he requests permission before posting. But I doubt he'd mind if I posted his link so here it is. Besides the Fantastic Four story there are pretty good Supergirl and Wonder Woman stories there too.

https://junipereroticfiction.wordpress. ... superhero/