Is heroine peril just dead?

[superbia19872]

I can't even use clips4sale anymore because it's just pages and pages of heroines with dicks in their mouths. Bluestone is collapsing. Heroine movies is also nothing but sexual content now. Wtf happened?

[Mr. X]

Yeah seems pretty dry. Giga is the same way, just the same porn flic over and over. Also a lack of 3d and art. Even AI stuff is kind of scarce on the subject.

Basically nobody is really making anything. The classic concept of a super heroine is dead apparently.

[HiDef]

Has anyone seen this yet? https://www.deviantart.com/karalee84/ar ... 1219922852

[bigums]

One word... YUP!

[sideshowbob4791]

Some of us like the sexual content and have patiently waited years for it to become more widespread. I've been a fan of adult superheroine peril since I first saw some of Mr. X's old hand drawn pictures back in the late 90's. Back then it was rare to see actual videos of superheroine content but it was slowly growing. In the early 00's it started to flourish and you saw lots of models dress as heroines (loved old SHC with their videos) but you hardly ever saw actual bondage sex with any characters. It was all pretty much peril, fighting, and mind control. I wanted to see actual women going through some of the scenes I'd see from Mr. X and others where the character is restrained and fucked. You didn't really get that with my favorite character (WW) until Rachel Steele and GIGA came along. Even then actual sexual bondage activity was rare. It was usually peril, more fighting, and mind control or even snuff (which I detest). Its only really been in the last few years that we're seeing more of the "dicks in their mouths" thing. As someone who waited for more of this for years who enjoys that stuff, and not so much the endless punching, I'm all for it. To each their own of course. I agree that the genre appears to be slowing down though. Whatever content you like though I hope everyone is still able to find plenty of it for years to come.

[Femina]

Yes

Superheroine peril thrived in the 90's-2010's about the time we reached the peak of diversity of superheroine relevance in the typical media (that being primarily comics at the time) during probably the 'least' sexist human beings have been in most of our lifetimes within the typical countries releasing said media... not saying NO sexism obviously, but there weren't thousands of social media posts and about 35 youtube videos a day whining about women in media at that time.

Inundating yourself with Supergirl stories, and finding likeminded fans of Supergirl getting into peril online was cute, novel, and exciting... and it spread while people were charitable... but what's NOT cute, novel or exciting, is the seventeenth Tim Poole video of the month bitching that Supergirl is 'woke' now because she drank some booze.

SHiP is dying, and it's the right wing grifter that's killing it. The types of people that WOULD flock here, are instead being swallowed up by the grift machine, convincing them that the source of all their trouble and woes are women and black people, and they don't want to see novel videos or Stories of Supergirl getting into trouble before winning the day, they don't want to see Supergirl AT ALL. They want to see Chuck Norris kick 'Wokeness' so hard that we return the country to the 1860's and want to #FreeAndrewTate!

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

[CIA]

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[Void]

SHiP is dying, and it's the right wing grifter that's killing it. The types of people that WOULD flock here, are instead being swallowed up by the grift machine, convincing them that the source of all their trouble and woes are women and black people, and they don't want to see novel videos or Stories of Supergirl getting into trouble before winning the day, they don't want to see Supergirl AT ALL. They want to see Chuck Norris kick 'Wokeness' so hard that we return the country to the 1860's and want to #FreeAndrewTate!

This feels a little specific. You may have been in the trenches too long and you see your opponent too readily here. I mean, given what can go on in this genre, with all the kinds of potential subtext, it presumably has some overlap with men who don't distinguish between the fantasy and the reality going on in that content. Like, if a morally zealous person was to accuse the SHiP genre of 'hating women' on the basis that it is largely fantasies about powerful women being laid low and often 'put in their place' by men, often with a meta that the women come to enjoy and accept 'being put in their place', with shed loads of sexist, shaming, derogatory language drizzled over the top of it as it merrily objectifies the woman... I would sincerely resist the charge, but I would do so knowing I was going to have a really tough time in this debate, and knowing that people who actually have a problematic relationship with women probably would unironically enjoy this content - particularly in 'bad ending' productions.


Our genre is definitely experiencing a lull, but I don't think the blame can be laid at any one doorstep, let alone such a specific one. There's inevitably superhero fatigue. I think you're right that there is just general 'heroine' fatigue. But more broadly, everyone is poorer and all of life is more expensive - so producers have worse margins, consumers are less likely to splash out, and that also makes the market worse for producers, so things just slow down. Couple that with piracy being easier and more tempting than it's ever been, and with there being such a huge back katalog from when our genre was booming that new releases have a crapload of old releases to compete with when fresh consumers arrive, and it's almost surprising our current landscape isn't worse.

There is less engagement from consumers as well - this forum is definitely quieter than it was ten years ago (god, we are old) - but that kind of makes sense when there is way less new content being posted up to discuss.

I really don't think this is a culture war thing or sexism thing. If anything, men with problematic views of women are probably more likely to find this space rather than less, imo. Besides that, these men are not ALL upcoming men - nor MOST upcoming men. I would contest that most of all.

[HiDef]

Has anyone seen this yet? https://www.deviantart.com/karalee84/ar ... 1219922852

The man is a genius. I wish he’d just release some stuff himself instead of waiting around for customs.

The mention of a RYE UK release in August in the video leads me to believe that it will be an AI creation. I guess we will see soon enough.

[HiDef]

Yes

Superheroine peril thrived in the 90's-2010's about the time we reached the peak of diversity of superheroine relevance in the typical media (that being primarily comics at the time) during probably the 'least' sexist human beings have been in most of our lifetimes within the typical countries releasing said media... not saying NO sexism obviously, but there weren't thousands of social media posts and about 35 youtube videos a day whining about women in media at that time.

Inundating yourself with Supergirl stories, and finding likeminded fans of Supergirl getting into peril online was cute, novel, and exciting... and it spread while people were charitable... but what's NOT cute, novel or exciting, is the seventeenth Tim Poole video of the month bitching that Supergirl is 'woke' now because she drank some booze.

SHiP is dying, and it's the right wing grifter that's killing it. The types of people that WOULD flock here, are instead being swallowed up by the grift machine, convincing them that the source of all their trouble and woes are women and black people, and they don't want to see novel videos or Stories of Supergirl getting into trouble before winning the day, they don't want to see Supergirl AT ALL. They want to see Chuck Norris kick 'Wokeness' so hard that we return the country to the 1860's and want to #FreeAndrewTate!

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

I normally refrain from these discussions in this setting but because fascism is not just about political beliefs, it's also about corrupt, twisted moral beliefs that pollutes the environment around us, and it needs to be stomped out wherever it rear's its ugly head. I have to agree on some of your points. And let's set the record straight, "woke" is a good thing. It means being aware and in touch with reality. The right-wing like to give words their own definition because quite frankly they don't have the brain power to generate original thoughts, so they project, plagiarize and distort the reality they hate. When they use "woke" in a derogatory way, they are showing they are willfully ignorant. The right-wing people that I know are misogynistic, bigoted, full of hatred and out of touch with reality. They blame others for the troubles they cause themselves. And it seems to be the general consensus among them given the resurgence of fascism today. We fought WWII to rid the world of fascism and all the hatred that comes with it. It's sad to see it infect the world again so soon. In reality it was never destroyed but instead laid dormant until the right conditions made it possible to infect the world again.

I invite you to watch this:

The right-wingers can't twist this and make it their own because it names them explicitly.

[Malice]

Yes

Superheroine peril thrived in the 90's-2010's about the time we reached the peak of diversity of superheroine relevance in the typical media (that being primarily comics at the time) during probably the 'least' sexist human beings have been in most of our lifetimes within the typical countries releasing said media... not saying NO sexism obviously, but there weren't thousands of social media posts and about 35 youtube videos a day whining about women in media at that time.

Inundating yourself with Supergirl stories, and finding likeminded fans of Supergirl getting into peril online was cute, novel, and exciting... and it spread while people were charitable... but what's NOT cute, novel or exciting, is the seventeenth Tim Poole video of the month bitching that Supergirl is 'woke' now because she drank some booze.

SHiP is dying, and it's the right wing grifter that's killing it. The types of people that WOULD flock here, are instead being swallowed up by the grift machine, convincing them that the source of all their trouble and woes are women and black people, and they don't want to see novel videos or Stories of Supergirl getting into trouble before winning the day, they don't want to see Supergirl AT ALL. They want to see Chuck Norris kick 'Wokeness' so hard that we return the country to the 1860's and want to #FreeAndrewTate!

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

First, I want to say that whatever I’m about to share comes from a place of appreciation for your past contributions. But respectfully before you brought up the politics in this conversation, had anyone here even uttered a word about it?

My main problem with your take is the refusal to allow criticism unless it's on your terms.

And speaking as someone from your side, I don’t see the added value of this comment. I understand the passion and the otherwise legitimate protest for diversity, but in all fairness, there are only so few of us here to start name-calling each other, and I truly feel you're at your best when you're demonstrative and not on the attack.

You want people to keep an open mind? Then perhaps stamping them sexists little shits or grifters just because their beliefs are different than yours might not be the best path of action.

Furthermore, you’re making a storm out of a water cup.

And I don't think that kind of prose is goin' to convince anyone to embark the progressive train, on the contrary.

Also, I think Void raised a great point. Times are tough. I myself don’t spend as much money as I used to on SHIP. I regret it, but that’s just the way it is. Bitch's gotta eat!

The shift to a custom-driven marketplace, understandable as it may be, means we’re seeing less and less original productions from studios and more and more hyper-specific fetish content tailored to individual clients.

I'm not criticizing it, it makes sense. Why risk your studio on a passion project that might not echo with your audience when you can fund a commissioned project via a wealthy customer?

Isn't SHIP genre dying because of that rather than the fucking culture war?

Again, the picture is more complicated than men evil; women good, right retard; left genius. Balance is key, and to be able and willing to engage with those you happen to have disagreements with should be taught at school. And sorry to say, but you hurt the cause more than you help it.

I truly love your posts otherwise, you're literate, knowledgeable and quite convincing. The shame is you always resort to these primal diatribes that are borderline fascist. If your goal is to fight ignorance, then lead by example, that's at the core of your message if you think about it.

As for those whose opinions bother you, the mute button is a fantastic tool, you should use it. Total game changer.

EDIT: Everyone here knows the real reason why the genre is dying: The French!!!! There I fucking said it!

[Void]

it's also about corrupt, twisted moral beliefs that pollutes the environment around us, and it needs to be stomped out wherever it rear's its ugly head. I have to agree on some of your points. And let's set the record straight, "woke" is a good thing. It means being aware and in touch with reality. The right-wing like to give words their own definition because quite frankly they don't have the brain power to generate original thoughts, so they project, plagiarize and distort the reality they hate. When they use "woke" in a derogatory way, they are showing they are willfully ignorant.

I heartily encourage a wider view of people. 'Woke' means different things to different people - that is largely why people fall out about it so much, and end up very clearly talking past one-another at their own perceived strawmen. Both sides of the aisle - people in general, really - are guilty of distorting the definitions of words or insisting on their preferred definition over the actual definition - and the problem just gets worse with words that don't have an objective origin to relate to and just shift with common use (most of language, sadly). Like, I could maybe tell you the objective meaning of what every word you say is - but I couldn't tell you what you meant as you said them. Never mind insisting you know what people mean when they say something, while they would protest the meaning you put in their mouths.

It's cool to disagree, but it's worth getting a fair understanding of what the real disagreement is, first - and not dismissing or condemning people with a shorthand that would miss your intended target way too often.

Again, I also think we, of all people, should be nuanced about what we condemn as corrupt, twisted moral beliefs, and stomping them out. If we want to go there, I think we need to be very, very clear exactly what we mean, and where that takes us.

I prefer mild, content-based dissent. Maybe snarky mild content-based dissent, when I'm feeling froggy.

(If the thread continues down this road, maybe all the off-topic stuff can be dumped into a thread in the phantom zone?)

[HeroineFanboy]

I am not sure if is "dying" versus being in a rut. My understanding is that Rye quietly retired, which means we lost one of the most prolific and consistent contributors to SHIP. Lee Carl has had some health issues, I believe, which might understandably contribute to a slower production schedule. SHL, who is one of the auteurs of the genre, is such a perfectionist with his craft that it's a double edged sword. It means we get high quality videos, but less consistently than if he cut corners (which he shouldn't). Meanwhile, golden era producers like Villain and DanO are nowhere near their heights of the late 1990s or early 2000s. I think Villain still makes some clips4sale videos, but respectfully nowhere near the height of popularity like his videos of Sooperhero site. I don't even know if DanO makes anything anymore. The point of this rant is that a lot of producers have either retired, faded, or release videos infrequently to keep up with the demand that might exist. While this has been happening, there hasn't really been any "new blood" to pick up the pace. I think with the SHIP genre needs is someone (or several people) who have the time, resources, passion, and commitment to do essentially the same thing Rye did to stimulate things as Sooperhero and DanO began fading into obscurity. Someone who is able to churn out videos that might not be as grand as SHL's videos, but are still good, and can fill the void on a consistent monthly basis. I believe the market is there for the right person. Superheroes are still at an all time high in popularity due to their takeover of mainstream media entertainment. I have always believed there are thousands or even millions of younger people out there who have been exposed to mainstream superhero content during the past 20 years and developed certain dormant kinks around it.

[superbia19872]

Yes

Superheroine peril thrived in the 90's-2010's about the time we reached the peak of diversity of superheroine relevance in the typical media (that being primarily comics at the time) during probably the 'least' sexist human beings have been in most of our lifetimes within the typical countries releasing said media... not saying NO sexism obviously, but there weren't thousands of social media posts and about 35 youtube videos a day whining about women in media at that time.

Inundating yourself with Supergirl stories, and finding likeminded fans of Supergirl getting into peril online was cute, novel, and exciting... and it spread while people were charitable... but what's NOT cute, novel or exciting, is the seventeenth Tim Poole video of the month bitching that Supergirl is 'woke' now because she drank some booze.

SHiP is dying, and it's the right wing grifter that's killing it. The types of people that WOULD flock here, are instead being swallowed up by the grift machine, convincing them that the source of all their trouble and woes are women and black people, and they don't want to see novel videos or Stories of Supergirl getting into trouble before winning the day, they don't want to see Supergirl AT ALL. They want to see Chuck Norris kick 'Wokeness' so hard that we return the country to the 1860's and want to #FreeAndrewTate!

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

First, I want to say that whatever I’m about to share comes from a place of appreciation for your past contributions. But respectfully before you brought up the politics in this conversation, had anyone here even uttered a word about it?

My main problem with your take is the refusal to allow criticism unless it's on your terms.

And speaking as someone from your side, I don’t see the added value of this comment. I understand the passion and the otherwise legitimate protest for diversity, but in all fairness, there are only so few of us here to start name-calling each other, and I truly feel you're at your best when you're demonstrative and not on the attack.

You want people to keep an open mind? Then perhaps stamping them sexists little shits or grifters just because their beliefs are different than yours might not be the best path of action.

Furthermore, you’re making a storm out of a water cup.

And I don't think that kind of prose is goin' to convince anyone to embark the progressive train, on the contrary.

Also, I think Void raised a great point. Times are tough. I myself don’t spend as much money as I used to on SHIP. I regret it, but that’s just the way it is. Bitch's gotta eat!

The shift to a custom-driven marketplace, understandable as it may be, means we’re seeing less and less original productions from studios and more and more hyper-specific fetish content tailored to individual clients.

I'm not criticizing it, it makes sense. Why risk your studio on a passion project that might not echo with your audience when you can fund a commissioned project via a wealthy customer?

Isn't SHIP genre dying because of that rather than the fucking culture war?

Again, the picture is more complicated than men evil; women good, right retard; left genius. Balance is key, and to be able and willing to engage with those you happen to have disagreements with should be taught at school. And sorry to say, but you hurt the cause more than you help it.

I truly love your posts otherwise, you're literate, knowledgeable and quite convincing. The shame is you always resort to these primal diatribes that are borderline fascist. If your goal is to fight ignorance, then lead by example, that's at the core of your message if you think about it.

As for those whose opinions bother you, the mute button is a fantastic tool, you should use it. Total game changer.

EDIT: Everyone here knows the real reason why the genre is dying: The French!!!! There I fucking said it!

Hi, OP here. We won't be discouraging political discourse on my post. Shit is bad. If you have a problem with us caring about that, bury your own head in the same. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

I am going to respond to the rest of your post as well, but i have to read it and I wanted to get this down.

[superbia19872]

Has anyone seen this yet? https://www.deviantart.com/karalee84/ar ... 1219922852

Yo, this is BONKERS!!! I GOTTA know what models they're using.

[superbia19872]

Yeah seems pretty dry. Giga is the same way, just the same porn flic over and over. Also a lack of 3d and art. Even AI stuff is kind of scarce on the subject.

Basically nobody is really making anything. The classic concept of a super heroine is dead apparently.

Yeah, even bluestone, who has always been anti sexual content for the most part, produces more regular women being offed than heroine peril now. I preferred the tone they captured for the longest time but their sun appears to be setting.

At this point, I'm waiting for generative ai to arrive and then I'll just make my own content.

[superbia19872]

Some of us like the sexual content and have patiently waited years for it to become more widespread. I've been a fan of adult superheroine peril since I first saw some of Mr. X's old hand drawn pictures back in the late 90's. Back then it was rare to see actual videos of superheroine content but it was slowly growing. In the early 00's it started to flourish and you saw lots of models dress as heroines (loved old SHC with their videos) but you hardly ever saw actual bondage sex with any characters. It was all pretty much peril, fighting, and mind control. I wanted to see actual women going through some of the scenes I'd see from Mr. X and others where the character is restrained and fucked. You didn't really get that with my favorite character (WW) until Rachel Steele and GIGA came along. Even then actual sexual bondage activity was rare. It was usually peril, more fighting, and mind control or even snuff (which I detest). Its only really been in the last few years that we're seeing more of the "dicks in their mouths" thing. As someone who waited for more of this for years who enjoys that stuff, and not so much the endless punching, I'm all for it. To each their own of course. I agree that the genre appears to be slowing down though. Whatever content you like though I hope everyone is still able to find plenty of it for years to come.

May you enjoy your porn. I can't wait for generative ai

[superbia19872]

Yes

Superheroine peril thrived in the 90's-2010's about the time we reached the peak of diversity of superheroine relevance in the typical media (that being primarily comics at the time) during probably the 'least' sexist human beings have been in most of our lifetimes within the typical countries releasing said media... not saying NO sexism obviously, but there weren't thousands of social media posts and about 35 youtube videos a day whining about women in media at that time.

Inundating yourself with Supergirl stories, and finding likeminded fans of Supergirl getting into peril online was cute, novel, and exciting... and it spread while people were charitable... but what's NOT cute, novel or exciting, is the seventeenth Tim Poole video of the month bitching that Supergirl is 'woke' now because she drank some booze.

SHiP is dying, and it's the right wing grifter that's killing it. The types of people that WOULD flock here, are instead being swallowed up by the grift machine, convincing them that the source of all their trouble and woes are women and black people, and they don't want to see novel videos or Stories of Supergirl getting into trouble before winning the day, they don't want to see Supergirl AT ALL. They want to see Chuck Norris kick 'Wokeness' so hard that we return the country to the 1860's and want to #FreeAndrewTate!

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

I hate the manosphere just as much as you do, but they're not all closet gays. I can't imagine women being beaten and defeated wouldn't appeal to many of them for what i would confidently describe as the wrong reasons.

Unless I'm unaware of how isolating the content really is. In which case, that would be peak irony after the right accused the left relentlessly of trying to force everyone to be queer. Now that i think a little more, i think i do recall seeing tate call porn gay or something. Who knows, i guess.

[thelaughinggaszone]

I'm a little surprised no one has tried an AI one yet. For what it's worth, I have been working on one for a few months and it's almost done. Of course, it's laughing gas and tickling themed, but here is a test sample of what it looks looks like.

[Femina]

Yes

Superheroine peril thrived in the 90's-2010's about the time we reached the peak of diversity of superheroine relevance in the typical media (that being primarily comics at the time) during probably the 'least' sexist human beings have been in most of our lifetimes within the typical countries releasing said media... not saying NO sexism obviously, but there weren't thousands of social media posts and about 35 youtube videos a day whining about women in media at that time.

Inundating yourself with Supergirl stories, and finding likeminded fans of Supergirl getting into peril online was cute, novel, and exciting... and it spread while people were charitable... but what's NOT cute, novel or exciting, is the seventeenth Tim Poole video of the month bitching that Supergirl is 'woke' now because she drank some booze.

SHiP is dying, and it's the right wing grifter that's killing it. The types of people that WOULD flock here, are instead being swallowed up by the grift machine, convincing them that the source of all their trouble and woes are women and black people, and they don't want to see novel videos or Stories of Supergirl getting into trouble before winning the day, they don't want to see Supergirl AT ALL. They want to see Chuck Norris kick 'Wokeness' so hard that we return the country to the 1860's and want to #FreeAndrewTate!

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

First, I want to say that whatever I’m about to share comes from a place of appreciation for your past contributions. But respectfully before you brought up the politics in this conversation, had anyone here even uttered a word about it?

My main problem with your take is the refusal to allow criticism unless it's on your terms.

And speaking as someone from your side, I don’t see the added value of this comment. I understand the passion and the otherwise legitimate protest for diversity, but in all fairness, there are only so few of us here to start name-calling each other, and I truly feel you're at your best when you're demonstrative and not on the attack.

You want people to keep an open mind? Then perhaps stamping them sexists little shits or grifters just because their beliefs are different than yours might not be the best path of action.

Furthermore, you’re making a storm out of a water cup.

And I don't think that kind of prose is goin' to convince anyone to embark the progressive train, on the contrary.

Also, I think Void raised a great point. Times are tough. I myself don’t spend as much money as I used to on SHIP. I regret it, but that’s just the way it is. Bitch's gotta eat!

The shift to a custom-driven marketplace, understandable as it may be, means we’re seeing less and less original productions from studios and more and more hyper-specific fetish content tailored to individual clients.

I'm not criticizing it, it makes sense. Why risk your studio on a passion project that might not echo with your audience when you can fund a commissioned project via a wealthy customer?

Isn't SHIP genre dying because of that rather than the fucking culture war?

Again, the picture is more complicated than men evil; women good, right retard; left genius. Balance is key, and to be able and willing to engage with those you happen to have disagreements with should be taught at school. And sorry to say, but you hurt the cause more than you help it.

I truly love your posts otherwise, you're literate, knowledgeable and quite convincing. The shame is you always resort to these primal diatribes that are borderline fascist. If your goal is to fight ignorance, then lead by example, that's at the core of your message if you think about it.

As for those whose opinions bother you, the mute button is a fantastic tool, you should use it. Total game changer.

EDIT: Everyone here knows the real reason why the genre is dying: The French!!!! There I fucking said it!

There is no mute button for the world. Look... The topic is 'Is heroine peril just dead?' The answer is 'almost' and the unspoken follow up question is 'why?'

The answer to that question is political. It's not my fault that this is the reality... it just IS. As a certain right wing pundit loves to bandy around ignorant of how often he himself is guilty of it 'facts don't care about your feelings' A better way of phrasing this is just encompassing onesself in the phrase "Fact's don't care about OUR feelings." WE have to do things as a culture first then as a species to protect things we appreciate as individuals. Fetishes don't die by the individual, but in the culture.

We see the reason the genre is dying EVERY DAY just on this website alone. This used to be a populous place full of many varied and diverse voices. It's not any longer. One by one a vast swath of folks from a certain perspective have all chosen that this place is no longer for them, and the reason why is politics. Not very far from here, the Supergirl topic thread is ALREADY becoming the subject of 'precognitive' criticism months and months and months ahead of it's expected release in the vein of every single other superheroine film that's been produced in recent memory. HOW do we expect the fetish to survive if even here on our own safe space, we're joining in with the grift sphere PLANNING to hate the film ahead of its release? How can we expect any superheroine franchises to get a leg up in culture enough to start accruing the peril interested youth to curiously drop by if WE OURSELVES are as invested in preventing the sorts of projects that grow the fetish as the new age grifting youth are? We can't... and every time someone chooses to grow the grift's influence by watching one of their videos or giving one of their videos a thumbs up, we're actively harming the fetish. we're growing the voices who would rather suck off Andrew Tate than participate in anything that will push (in this case) superheroine content front and center in the cultural zeitgeist. It's political, I suppose we can argue its not necessarily 'right/left' politics here since it's marginally questionable if the 'grift' sphere isn't just part of a brand new full on fascist party masquerading inside the right... but they are all political, their goals are to change the culture to their particularly racist, sexist, fascist principles and incept that point of view into their viewers while pretending like they are apolitical... but they aren't.

We're wondering why the fetish isn't growing. It's cause we're not getting the youth. Where is the youth? They're trying to be 'Top Gs' and readying to become the most sexist, racist, fascist generation since the 1940's. That's where they are. That's why the fetish is dying. The repercussions of that spiral outward. Customs instead of productions is a cost cutting/consolidating decision. Fewer people purchasing videos is a result of fewer overall fetishists period... which is the result of the things we're allowing to happen, and in many cases pushing for to happen, in the culture.

That's all I'm saying.

[batgirleve]

I can't even use clips4sale anymore because it's just pages and pages of heroines with dicks in their mouths. Bluestone is collapsing. Heroine movies is also nothing but sexual content now. Wtf happened?

Its rough, but the simple truth is that producers are running a business and will produce what selkls. when I first started Imade fetish but story driven no sex no explicit content. it sold but not really well. then someone ordered a custom asking for explicit content. when I put it out for general sale it sold over 100 units in a weekend.
I then continued making porn clips and they sold very well. went back to story driven and sold 10-15 units tops.
wenbt back to explicit and saw increased sales again.

If you want story driven buy it, come on here and sing their praises. get others to give it a shot.
otherwise producers will stick to what sells, especially when the content that some clamor for doesnt sell

[superbia19872]

I can't even use clips4sale anymore because it's just pages and pages of heroines with dicks in their mouths. Bluestone is collapsing. Heroine movies is also nothing but sexual content now. Wtf happened?

Its rough, but the simple truth is that producers are running a business and will produce what selkls. when I first started Imade fetish but story driven no sex no explicit content. it sold but not really well. then someone ordered a custom asking for explicit content. when I put it out for general sale it sold over 100 units in a weekend.
I then continued making porn clips and they sold very well. went back to story driven and sold 10-15 units tops.
wenbt back to explicit and saw increased sales again.

If you want story driven buy it, come on here and sing their praises. get others to give it a shot.
otherwise producers will stick to what sells, especially when the content that some clamor for doesnt sell

With the utmost respect and without attempting to tell you that that content isn't inherently more popular, you would absolutely know better and the evidence is clear, but for me, it's the tone. You've had your moments, but your heroine peril largely lacks staying power for me because its tone doesn't resonate with MY personal taste. That's the only reason I've only purchased a few of your videos.

Incidentally, i do wish clips4sale would make it possible to have a single top page ad for multiple versions of the same video. It's the dicks. I'm a weird form of autistic asexual that really does't like sex acts and genitals. It makes it difficult to peruse the platform.

It seems like the dicks are working well for you though so i do wish you the best and hope you continue to succeed.

[Malice]

There is no mute button for the world.

Click on any profile you don’t like and add them as a foe.

Foes are users which will be ignored by default. Posts by these users will not be fully visible. Private messages from foes are still permitted. Please note that you cannot ignore moderators or administrators.

If you really want, you can still view their posts… but why bother?

“A wise man once told me: don't argue with fools, because from a distance, people can’t tell who’s who.”

Whenever I run into a stoopid ass, I don’t waste time arguing, I just add them as a foe. Simple. The few foes I have don't have the mental capacity to engage in a civil discourse anyway.

I definitely don’t think that applies to you personally, I just believe you’re mistaken in this particular case. The movement you’re referring to feels more like an epiphenomenon.

I also believe that when one side pushes too radically, it often causes the flock to drift toward the opposing force. Most people are moderates, and they don’t like being told how or what to think, they value thinking for themselves, even if it ends up biting them in the ass later.

Specifically with SHIP, and besides the economic context, I think porn in general deserves more of the blame. The new generation simply doesn’t share the same viewing habits we grew up with.

But don’t get me wrong: what you’re highlighting is a real problem. I just don’t see it as big a factor as you (and the concerned crowd) might.

[superbia19872]

I'm a little surprised no one has tried an AI one yet. For what it's worth, I have been working on one for a few months and it's almost done. Of course, it's laughing gas and tickling themed, but here is a test sample of what it looks looks like.

Ok! Goddamn! That happened! Please, friend, you gotta spill these beans! What on earth are you using?! This looks fucking great!

[superbia19872]

I am not sure if is "dying" versus being in a rut. My understanding is that Rye quietly retired, which means we lost one of the most prolific and consistent contributors to SHIP. Lee Carl has had some health issues, I believe, which might understandably contribute to a slower production schedule. SHL, who is one of the auteurs of the genre, is such a perfectionist with his craft that it's a double edged sword. It means we get high quality videos, but less consistently than if he cut corners (which he shouldn't). Meanwhile, golden era producers like Villain and DanO are nowhere near their heights of the late 1990s or early 2000s. I think Villain still makes some clips4sale videos, but respectfully nowhere near the height of popularity like his videos of Sooperhero site. I don't even know if DanO makes anything anymore. The point of this rant is that a lot of producers have either retired, faded, or release videos infrequently to keep up with the demand that might exist. While this has been happening, there hasn't really been any "new blood" to pick up the pace. I think with the SHIP genre needs is someone (or several people) who have the time, resources, passion, and commitment to do essentially the same thing Rye did to stimulate things as Sooperhero and DanO began fading into obscurity. Someone who is able to churn out videos that might not be as grand as SHL's videos, but are still good, and can fill the void on a consistent monthly basis. I believe the market is there for the right person. Superheroes are still at an all time high in popularity due to their takeover of mainstream media entertainment. I have always believed there are thousands or even millions of younger people out there who have been exposed to mainstream superhero content during the past 20 years and developed certain dormant kinks around it.

Even they had made the shift to basically producing porn. It's rough. I think when generative ai peaks, we'll maybe see a resurgence. If not, we'll just make our own stuff.

[batgirleve]

I can't even use clips4sale anymore because it's just pages and pages of heroines with dicks in their mouths. Bluestone is collapsing. Heroine movies is also nothing but sexual content now. Wtf happened?

Its rough, but the simple truth is that producers are running a business and will produce what selkls. when I first started Imade fetish but story driven no sex no explicit content. it sold but not really well. then someone ordered a custom asking for explicit content. when I put it out for general sale it sold over 100 units in a weekend.
I then continued making porn clips and they sold very well. went back to story driven and sold 10-15 units tops.
wenbt back to explicit and saw increased sales again.

If you want story driven buy it, come on here and sing their praises. get others to give it a shot.
otherwise producers will stick to what sells, especially when the content that some clamor for doesnt sell

With the utmost respect and without attempting to tell you that that content isn't inherently more popular, you would absolutely know better and the evidence is clear, but for me, it's the tone. You've had your moments, but your heroine peril largely lacks staying power for me because its tone doesn't resonate with MY personal taste. That's the only reason I've only purchased a few of your videos.

Incidentally, i do wish clips4sale would make it possible to have a single top page ad for multiple versions of the same video. It's the dicks. I'm a weird form of autistic asexual that really does't like sex acts and genitals. It makes it difficult to peruse the platform.

It seems like the dicks are working well for you though so i do wish you the best and hope you continue to succeed.

I dont take what you said personally so no worries.
However I will point out that my entire point is set apart from me, just me, and no -one but me. I am trying to poinbt out that Producers are running a business and if the majority of sales are coming from explicit then they will follow that formula. only those producers who are doing it for the love of the fetish will continue doing it and you should dedicate as much of your disposable cash on them if you want to see it continue, but for the most part try to understand that those making a profit from clips will follow the sales.
Thats it. thats my point.

[thelaughinggaszone]

I'm a little surprised no one has tried an AI one yet. For what it's worth, I have been working on one for a few months and it's almost done. Of course, it's laughing gas and tickling themed, but here is a test sample of what it looks looks like.

Ok! Goddamn! That happened! Please, friend, you gotta spill these beans! What on earth are you using?! This looks fucking great!

I primarily use a site called Hailuo AI. I have found it performs well and is the most permissive when it comes to fetish content. You can't do nude on it (except by accident), but it can achieve or get really close to a lot of what people like to see in fetish and bondage content. Keep in mind, the costume designs are about 75-80% AI and the other 20-25% are by me in programs like Photoshop. If I want a super specific look, I need to refine what the AI does and then I can use that as a template going forward. The sound effects are free stock sounds. For the voices I will use Elevenlabs, which is the best natural voice AI generator out there. It can even generate authenticate tickling laughter, which it great for my videos. There are a number of other AI sites I use for small things like clothing swaps and background removals just to make my job easier and faster. Then I edit the clips and sounds together in my editing software. Pretty straight forward.

[HiDef]

it's also about corrupt, twisted moral beliefs that pollutes the environment around us, and it needs to be stomped out wherever it rear's its ugly head. I have to agree on some of your points. And let's set the record straight, "woke" is a good thing. It means being aware and in touch with reality. The right-wing like to give words their own definition because quite frankly they don't have the brain power to generate original thoughts, so they project, plagiarize and distort the reality they hate. When they use "woke" in a derogatory way, they are showing they are willfully ignorant.

I heartily encourage a wider view of people. 'Woke' means different things to different people - that is largely why people fall out about it so much, and end up very clearly talking past one-another at their own perceived strawmen. Both sides of the aisle - people in general, really - are guilty of distorting the definitions of words or insisting on their preferred definition over the actual definition - and the problem just gets worse with words that don't have an objective origin to relate to and just shift with common use (most of language, sadly). Like, I could maybe tell you the objective meaning of what every word you say is - but I couldn't tell you what you meant as you said them. Never mind insisting you know what people mean when they say something, while they would protest the meaning you put in their mouths.

It's cool to disagree, but it's worth getting a fair understanding of what the real disagreement is, first - and not dismissing or condemning people with a shorthand that would miss your intended target way too often.

Again, I also think we, of all people, should be nuanced about what we condemn as corrupt, twisted moral beliefs, and stomping them out. If we want to go there, I think we need to be very, very clear exactly what we mean, and where that takes us.

And that's where you're wrong. In a civilized society we all need to agree upon a certain set of rules that apply to everyone otherwise we all collapse into chaos and we become a lawless state like we have today. One cannot hold two apposing ideas to be true simultaneously. That is cognitive dissonance which when practiced on a large scale leads to societal collapse. Yes, words can have subtle differences in meaning and need to be discerned with context but to change the meaning entirely to suit one's own beliefs is not acceptable if we are to remain civilized.

Woke is derived from the word, 'awake' which has Germanic origins dating back to the 15th century. It's a definition that was agreed upon by society and used in concordance with the original meaning. So when you say people have their own definitions of words you're speaking about a societal breakdown and those who would rather burn it all down than to conform to a civilized society.

I'm not against introducing new words that convey a meaning we don't have an English equivalent for but I will not acknowledge or give credence to the misuse of the English language to suit one's own beliefs

My post was directed at fascism and those who sympathize with fascism. And let me clarify, there are no acceptable forms of fascism. Are you saying there is? Are you saying there's good and bad on both sides of fascism?

[Void]

It's a definition that was agreed upon by society

That's just it - this is an instance where 'society' is not agreeing. No wonder, given the route word is 'awake' - the use is itself manifestly figurative. The argument that comes afterwards is unhelpful while you and the person you are pointing at are literally identifying different concepts with the word, but simultaneously ignoring the other's use. It's not enough to dismiss someone for their using the word as a negative - let alone to call them a fascist (or a misogynist) for doing so. I think you need to hear them say more - get a grasp of what they think they mean with words like this, and why they think that way. The death of discourse and curiosity about dissenting opinions is much more likely the death of the civilised world, imo, and it is the trend I am far more concerned with on that front.

Very often, people that complain a production was 'woke' are meaning something in the order of 'I think the writing was negatively impacted by the writers making storytelling concessions to make the story more agreeable to their progressive morals/to use the story as a platform to morally champion a progressive point to the audience ' or such and such was 'overly identity-politics/gender theory driven'. Right? It's very often a lazy shorthand to condemn the motivation for something as not being merit-based but progressive ethics based, actively sacrificing quality/merit in that pursuit. None of these ideas are inherently fascist (unless you think resisting or even dissenting progressive values is fascist, thereby wiping out the political spectrum and leaving a binary between progressive and fascist) , but I would wager the towering majority of people who use the term in a negative way would prefer my take on their meaning over yours - and this matters, given they are the ultimate arbiters of what they actually meant.

Given that the term's most common use, I think, is as a pejorative from this type of perspective, and words change with use, I think this at least merits some consideration here.

I don't mind us not liking fascists and confronting clearly fascist ideas, but I'm much more unsettled by liberally applying the term to groups of people or ideas based on such flimsy conditions - where you will inevitably identify people or ideas as fascist that are not fascist, diminishing the meaning of the word you are using incorrectly and making it very difficult for any kind of content-based disagreement to follow with them.

And I do find it a little myopic to think actual fascism (or actual misogyny, which seems to be getting conflated/baked in here) is the cause for less heroine peril videos. I get whiplash from that connection, and it almost feels like a Simpson's skit with how tenuous and unsubstantiated the link feels to me.

[SHL]

I can't even use clips4sale anymore because it's just pages and pages of heroines with dicks in their mouths. Bluestone is collapsing. Heroine movies is also nothing but sexual content now. Wtf happened?

The answer is yes, in the same way that you can also say rock and roll is dead.

HeroineMovies was bought by clips4sale or an affiliate and was abandoned by most producers, so that website might as well be dead

The economy currently is so bad that customer spending is restricted enough that most SHIP studios might not be around by the end of the year

Thats showbiz baby!

[SHL]

Has anyone seen this yet? https://www.deviantart.com/karalee84/ar ... 1219922852

The man is a genius. I wish he’d just release some stuff himself instead of waiting around for customs.

The mention of a RYE UK release in August in the video leads me to believe that it will be an AI creation. I guess we will see soon enough.

I dunno how you came to that conclusion. The film was shot years ago (in the UK hence the RyeUK title). It is not an AI creation.

[sneakly]

The genre is changing. The old guard is slowly aging out. Models that were super popular in the genre are hitting their 40s and 50s. many have retired. Producers that like Bondage Cafe are not producing in the volume they did. A lot of the younger models are following the Only Fans model, which absolutely makes sense for them, but does not really allow for more elaborate sets, costumes and stories. Piracy undercut the producers, so many of them are not as willing to put capital on a property that might be stolen the day after release.

However, I don't think the genre is dying. We have The Boys, Supergirl. Supergirl movie, supergirl in a Superman Movie. They did get around to making a Batwoman TV show, Batgirl movie that wasn't released, but it was produced. There are a ton Superheroine themed DC cartoons. And technology is on the verge of allowing an entire new genre of Superheroine porn to be produced.

It is definitely a lull, but the next generation that grew up watching sailor moon, she spies, Totally Spies, Kim Possible and what ever fetish fuel children's programming grew up on are reaching an age where the want to share their fantasies from puberty. The technology is out there, getting a model that is physically tight and not all inked up is going to easier as AI lets old properties get reinvented and new ones made from scratch.

[HiDef]

Has anyone seen this yet? https://www.deviantart.com/karalee84/ar ... 1219922852

The man is a genius. I wish he’d just release some stuff himself instead of waiting around for customs.

The mention of a RYE UK release in August in the video leads me to believe that it will be an AI creation. I guess we will see soon enough.

I dunno how you came to that conclusion. The film was shot years ago (in the UK hence the RyeUK title). It is not an AI creation.

Well, because I didn't give it much attention. I only watched the preview once and saw it was mentioned. I didn't know Rye was releasing anything anymore because I'm not in the loop. Good to know, thanks for clearing that up.

[HiDef]

It's a definition that was agreed upon by society

That's just it - this is an instance where 'society' is not agreeing. No wonder, given the route word is 'awake' - the use is itself manifestly figurative. The argument that comes afterwards is unhelpful while you and the person you are pointing at are literally identifying different concepts with the word, but simultaneously ignoring the other's use. It's not enough to dismiss someone for their using the word as a negative - let alone to call them a fascist (or a misogynist) for doing so. I think you need to hear them say more - get a grasp of what they think they mean with words like this, and why they think that way. The death of discourse and curiosity about dissenting opinions is much more likely the death of the civilised world, imo, and it is the trend I am far more concerned with on that front.

Very often, people that complain a production was 'woke' are meaning something in the order of 'I think the writing was negatively impacted by the writers making storytelling concessions to make the story more agreeable to their progressive morals/to use the story as a platform to morally champion a progressive point to the audience ' or such and such was 'overly identity-politics/gender theory driven'. Right? It's very often a lazy shorthand to condemn the motivation for something as not being merit-based but progressive ethics based, actively sacrificing quality/merit in that pursuit. None of these ideas are inherently fascist (unless you think resisting or even dissenting progressive values is fascist, thereby wiping out the political spectrum and leaving a binary between progressive and fascist) , but I would wager the towering majority of people who use the term in a negative way would prefer my take on their meaning over yours - and this matters, given they are the ultimate arbiters of what they actually meant.

Given that the term's most common use, I think, is as a pejorative from this type of perspective, and words change with use, I think this at least merits some consideration here.

I don't mind us not liking fascists and confronting clearly fascist ideas, but I'm much more unsettled by liberally applying the term to groups of people or ideas based on such flimsy conditions - where you will inevitably identify people or ideas as fascist that are not fascist, diminishing the meaning of the word you are using incorrectly and making it very difficult for any kind of content-based disagreement to follow with them.

And I do find it a little myopic to think actual fascism (or actual misogyny, which seems to be getting conflated/baked in here) is the cause for less heroine peril videos. I get whiplash from that connection, and it almost feels like a Simpson's skit with how tenuous and unsubstantiated the link feels to me.

First, I'm not making the assertion that misogyny or fascism is the reason for the lack of new heroine peril videos but I can certainly empathize with the poster's thoughts. I won't pretend to be ignorant of the fact that systemic racism and women's inequality has been going on since Adam blamed Eve for giving him the fruit. 9 times out of 10 when someone uses the word "woke" in a derogatory way, it's coming from someone who is right-wing or someone who has been deceived by right-wing propaganda.

And when you say, "liberally applying the term to groups of people or ideas based on such flimsy conditions" you are describing those who use the term "woke" to demean others.

And when you say, "society is not agreeing" you are speaking about a minority of those who spread ignorance, hatred and refuse to face reality.

On a personal level I listen to what people have to say and what they do before I label them in any way. For the most part that's not an option when dealing with an anonymous poster on the internet. In the world we live in today, you need to know who your enemies are and who are your friends.

[bushwackerbob]

OK, to try to veer this discussion away from the needless politicization of the question, I think a lot of the frustration isn't that SHIP is dead or dying as much as the hopes among many that the genre hasn't grown to the extent that many may have hoped, it never really exploded. SHIP has never been an everyday new content thing. Primal tried their machine gun SHIP film business model with a hyper release schedule and the company found that business model too much supply/content, not enough demand. SHIP isn't mainstream or even comparatively traditional porn, it's a niche, always has been, always will be. I still see SHIP stories coming out, many of the best behind a paywall now, a lot of cool things on Deviant Art as well. Just because we think SHIP is great doesn't mean the whole world will join in. This isn't about "woke" or "fascism", it's about the same as it always was. Not everything is about politics.

[superbia19872]

OK, to try to veer this discussion away from the needless politicization of the question, I think a lot of the frustration isn't that SHIP is dead or dying as much as the hopes among many that the genre hasn't grown to the extent that many may have hoped, it never really exploded. SHIP has never been an everyday new content thing. Primal tried their machine gun SHIP film business model with a hyper release schedule and the company found that business model too much supply/content, not enough demand. SHIP isn't mainstream or even comparatively traditional porn, it's a niche, always has been, always will be. I still see SHIP stories coming out, many of the best behind a paywall now, a lot of cool things on Deviant Art as well. Just because we think SHIP is great doesn't mean the whole world will join in. This isn't about "woke" or "fascism", it's about the same as it always was. Not everything is about politics.

Yeah, but this isn't a good time to stifle political discourse so i think we should let them hash it out.

I've always known it was niche. It's just not the same. I hope it really is just a lull, but at the same time, generative ai is about to completely change the game.

[sugarcoater]

Yes

Superheroine peril thrived in the 90's-2010's about the time we reached the peak of diversity of superheroine relevance in the typical media (that being primarily comics at the time) during probably the 'least' sexist human beings have been in most of our lifetimes within the typical countries releasing said media... not saying NO sexism obviously, but there weren't thousands of social media posts and about 35 youtube videos a day whining about women in media at that time.

Inundating yourself with Supergirl stories, and finding likeminded fans of Supergirl getting into peril online was cute, novel, and exciting... and it spread while people were charitable... but what's NOT cute, novel or exciting, is the seventeenth Tim Poole video of the month bitching that Supergirl is 'woke' now because she drank some booze.

SHiP is dying, and it's the right wing grifter that's killing it. The types of people that WOULD flock here, are instead being swallowed up by the grift machine, convincing them that the source of all their trouble and woes are women and black people, and they don't want to see novel videos or Stories of Supergirl getting into trouble before winning the day, they don't want to see Supergirl AT ALL. They want to see Chuck Norris kick 'Wokeness' so hard that we return the country to the 1860's and want to #FreeAndrewTate!

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

This might be some seriously deranged thinking. Where is this coming from? Where is any hard evidence present? You are clearly a progressive, which is fine, but you are absolutely presenting a false representation of people who dare have a different political view than you do. Whether it is having no friends or co-workers with whom you can have a civil disagreement but quality discussion on political matters, or whether you are isolated in an echo chamber, you really should consider trying to understand the other side of the ideological aisle. And I'm not writing about politicians; I'm referencing ordinary everyday people who enjoy the same things you do, but who have a different perspective. No normal conservative or moderate person is suggesting anything along the lines of what you are referencing.

[Void]

And when you say, "society is not agreeing" you are speaking about a minority of those who spread ignorance, hatred and refuse to face reality.

That's clearly your belief. What I am getting at is that exactly this thing you are doing here comes across as baseless and overly zealous. They define the term differently, they use it differently, so they are a minority (common use would very heavily dispute this), they spread ignorance, hatred and refuse to face reality (but the grounds for this leap isn't at all clear to me ). The logic seems to be : only an ignorant, angry person who refuses to face reality would use this term this way; this guy uses the term this way; so this guy is ignorant, angry, and refuses to face reality. But that first premise is really, really shaky and unsupported here, right?

Like, you point out that them using it as a derogatory comment should sort of self-evidently close the case, but I don't see why. I gave, I think, a pretty good account of in what sense they (or, let's say most of them) intend it to be derogatory, and that doesn't strike me as obviously problematic. It leaves the impression that you've set up a binary where being disparaging of progressive values, or actually just disparaging of progressive values taking precedence over merit/quality/product-coherence/whatever is ignorant, hateful, and refusing to face reality. There has to be some space in the middle here. There has to be more curiosity for what someone is getting at, even if you think their point is invalid, unhelpful or inaccurate.

I see it both ways, of course. I've seen right wing aligned people dismiss others on the exact same type of basis, with the exact same binary that disallows any grey area in the middle or curiosity for what the other person actually believes - it's not my first day on the internet.

I just lament the tribal place we've reached - and I think people on both sides need more nuanced criteria before they dismiss or condemn the other guy in such extreme terms. Everyone's too quick on the draw in this wilderness.

[Femina]

Yes

Superheroine peril thrived in the 90's-2010's about the time we reached the peak of diversity of superheroine relevance in the typical media (that being primarily comics at the time) during probably the 'least' sexist human beings have been in most of our lifetimes within the typical countries releasing said media... not saying NO sexism obviously, but there weren't thousands of social media posts and about 35 youtube videos a day whining about women in media at that time.

Inundating yourself with Supergirl stories, and finding likeminded fans of Supergirl getting into peril online was cute, novel, and exciting... and it spread while people were charitable... but what's NOT cute, novel or exciting, is the seventeenth Tim Poole video of the month bitching that Supergirl is 'woke' now because she drank some booze.

SHiP is dying, and it's the right wing grifter that's killing it. The types of people that WOULD flock here, are instead being swallowed up by the grift machine, convincing them that the source of all their trouble and woes are women and black people, and they don't want to see novel videos or Stories of Supergirl getting into trouble before winning the day, they don't want to see Supergirl AT ALL. They want to see Chuck Norris kick 'Wokeness' so hard that we return the country to the 1860's and want to #FreeAndrewTate!

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

This might be some seriously deranged thinking. Where is this coming from? Where is any hard evidence present? You are clearly a progressive, which is fine, but you are absolutely presenting a false representation of people who dare have a different political view than you do. Whether it is having no friends or co-workers with whom you can have a civil disagreement but quality discussion on political matters, or whether you are isolated in an echo chamber, you really should consider trying to understand the other side of the ideological aisle. And I'm not writing about politicians; I'm referencing ordinary everyday people who enjoy the same things you do, but who have a different perspective. No normal conservative or moderate person is suggesting anything along the lines of what you are referencing.

I'm a little baffled here... I've nowhere indicated you cannot have a different opinion from me, nor have I discouraged discussion of alternative rationale or ADDITIONAL reasons why the fetish is dying, I was merely supplying the one I've personally witnessed the most of. Perhaps emphatically (when my opinion was directly inquired about), but in no way was intended suppressively or exclusively. If you've read that from anything I've said, then we've experienced a miscommunication. My comments regarding the state of the behaviors of the people on this website are additionally simply observational........ but don't mistake me here, I'm not describing anyone HERE as the 'Manosphere' freakshow. I sincerely doubt any of us has a youtube channel we're preaching our shit through... but we are all of us *susceptible* to the grift if we don't protect ourselves, ESPECIALLY the current uninitiated youth the manosphere is particularly advertising too. You may be interested in my statement further down where I additionally question if these people can even be considered 'right' anymore, and aren't merely 'masquerading' in the right.

And for the record, most of my entire extended family is right wing, so I DO hear plenty from normal conservatives whom I in no way believe to be interested in causing much societal harm or devastation. The 'grift' ain't perpetrated by normal conservatives. I think we can all agree on that much?

[hpibd]

Hello to you all:

Quick note of order: this is the superheroinesforum right? Doesn't that mean we talk about... You know, superheroines?

Though politics are important conversation topics and we shouldn't dismiss reasonable and well-argumented discussions, I doubt this forum and this topic page are the best place to do so. Here, it seems there is just a bunch of misunderstanding which kills the mood somewhat...

And like any weakend heroine will tell you: some things are just not worth fighting over .

I'm not an administrator or site owner, but I would still like to kindly encourage you all to revert to the original subject, since we've slowy veered off course over a couple posts.

Let's set aside our views and agree on one thing: superheroines are awesome!

[bigums]

Do you see why I gave a one-word answer? People can't help themselves... It's natural.

[sneakly]

people on both sides of the political spectrum will leave this site because they aren't here to talk politics, or even talk about why we should or shouldn't talk politics. My dick makes many choices for me but it knows no politics. If you want to create a politics section that is opt in only, go ahead. I have seen that with other discussion boards.

Let's limit the discussion to trends in fetishes... Bondage, peril, sex, fighting, heroines, traps, villains and pop-culture related aspects. If you want to include politics in your art or your stories, at least make it good fetish fuel, not to score points over the other side. Even politically slanted shows like the Boys can be enjoyed just for the fetishistic component. If the politics is annoying, just say it and leave it at that. No one cares if you think Batgirl is a woke feminist as long as she gets tied up and gets bukkaked on her gagged face a few times.

Dua Lipa looks hot in the Argyll. Do I care whether Argyll has a political subtext? No. Myle Cyrus vegan? who cares? her legs go on forever. The politics of the latest Superman movie? Who cares? Was it fun? New Supergirl hot?

If you can't get past the politics of a movie, TV show or actress, that is a you problem. You can say, "I watched it, but the politics was a turn off." Leave it at that.

[Lurkndog]

I think part of it is demographics. The generation that got turned on by Lynda Carter and Yvonne Craig is aging out, and do kids even watch those shows any more? 1975 was 50 years ago.

I don't think the Marvel movies really landed that way. I do see a fair amount of ScarJo fetish, I guess.

The younger generations, don't ask me. They're probably more into Instagram and TikTok as their primary sources of content. Is anyone doing superheroine stuff on OnlyFans?

[Femina]

people on both sides of the political spectrum will leave this site because they aren't here to talk politics, or even talk about why we should or shouldn't talk politics. My dick makes many choices for me but it knows no politics. If you want to create a politics section that is opt in only, go ahead. I have seen that with other discussion boards.

I really don't know about this tbh. I KNEW a huge amount of the people who have left... and I'm not convinced politics turned them away, more like... they typically felt like only THEIR politics weren't allowed while other politics which they disagreed with and called out were less commonly stigmatized and prohibited MORE than others. We still hear daily about how 'woke' everything is despite the fact that's a deeply political phrase the way its bandied... but challenging that incites political discourse, so often we just have little recourse but to silently take it whenever... idk... Shevek goes on a rant about how the 'wokes' are destroying She-Hulk or whatever. (Sorry to leap on you specifically here Shevek, that's just the first example that came to my mind, and additionally it's not any individual member here's fault that as a culture we've allowed certain political discourse to run rampant and unchecked while prohibiting other ones, that's just the state of the current 'collective hallucination' we've adopted)

Let's take ourselves back... idk it was probably.... 8... 9 years ago now? (Good Christ!) To where those of us who were here and remember would have argued 'politics is tearing this website apaaaaart!' while the site had like... a hundred ACTIVE users strong.... all the way to today wherein politics is BARELY mentioned (yeah you'd be astonished, there's certain things here we NEVER talk about or mention EVER. Political stuff here is basically limited to occasional references to the 'right' or 'left' and we very VERY rarely extrapolate any further than that...) but what's the current state of active users circa 2025 in the 'no politics' timeline? We've hemorrhaged like 80% of them... over a period of time where we don't realistically talk about politics in any really productive way, (and again, if you THINK we talk too much about politics now... boot up the ol wayback machine and check out the website circa January 20, 1017 or so and bring a hardhat for your own safety!)

Not as many of us today in the grand no politics timeline... by just as casual glance left and right here as to the state of really ACTIVE members... a WHOLE LOT of not as many! This obviously conjoins a bit to our question of if heroine peril is just dead? Maybe it's just dead here? I feel like my personal observation is it's not as active anywhere else... but just my perception isn't much of an opinion poll. I mean if politics being talked about on the website here killed this site's activity like you indicate... then why was this site so much more active back when we were 'allowed' to really get into it with one another when it was relevant?

I'm sorry to keep coming back to this, but the headline is 'Is heroine peril just dead?' and I don't feel like stuffing one's head in the sand screaming 'no politics!!!!!!!' and ignoring the current state of politics in the exterior culture can possibly fully answer this question. Politics IS involved! It just is... as many have pointed out in response to me above certainly it's not the ONLY reason, and I in no way mean to tell anybody here that their inclusions and offerings to the subject are wrong, nor to discourage discussion about their ideas and observations... but I DO think you're all being terribly naive if you think we can talk about this and NOT bring up politics in the year 2025, where politics have essentially just BECOME America's overall global culture... refusing to acknowledge that in a topic like this is sort of like trying to deduce what color the wall is while wearing a blindfold?

[Mr. X]

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

Oh please. The left controls media and has done so for years. If mainstream Hollywood wanted SHIP we would have it in a heart beat. Its the left who are the new busy body church ladies patrolling our pronouns and screaming about sexual objectifying.

Look at video games. I worked in that industry for 30 years. Its not run by right wingers. We don't get any sexy stuff in games. Instead we get gender propaganda.

You're so busy blaming the right you fail to admit its the left that's the wet blanket.

[superbia19872]

Hello to you all:

Quick note of order: this is the superheroinesforum right? Doesn't that mean we talk about... You know, superheroines?

Though politics are important conversation topics and we shouldn't dismiss reasonable and well-argumented discussions, I doubt this forum and this topic page are the best place to do so. Here, it seems there is just a bunch of misunderstanding which kills the mood somewhat...

And like any weakend heroine will tell you: some things are just not worth fighting over .

I'm not an administrator or site owner, but I would still like to kindly encourage you all to revert to the original subject, since we've slowy veered off course over a couple posts.

Let's set aside our views and agree on one thing: superheroines are awesome!

Hi. This is my post and we will not be discouraging political disorder om it. Shit is bad. If you don't want to hear it, you are free to move on and bury your own head in the sand. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

[superbia19872]

people on both sides of the political spectrum will leave this site because they aren't here to talk politics, or even talk about why we should or shouldn't talk politics. My dick makes many choices for me but it knows no politics. If you want to create a politics section that is opt in only, go ahead. I have seen that with other discussion boards.

Let's limit the discussion to trends in fetishes... Bondage, peril, sex, fighting, heroines, traps, villains and pop-culture related aspects. If you want to include politics in your art or your stories, at least make it good fetish fuel, not to score points over the other side. Even politically slanted shows like the Boys can be enjoyed just for the fetishistic component. If the politics is annoying, just say it and leave it at that. No one cares if you think Batgirl is a woke feminist as long as she gets tied up and gets bukkaked on her gagged face a few times.

Dua Lipa looks hot in the Argyll. Do I care whether Argyll has a political subtext? No. Myle Cyrus vegan? who cares? her legs go on forever. The politics of the latest Superman movie? Who cares? Was it fun? New Supergirl hot?

If you can't get past the politics of a movie, TV show or actress, that is a you problem. You can say, "I watched it, but the politics was a turn off." Leave it at that.

Hi, this is my post and we won't be discouraging political disorder on it. You are free to bury your own head in the sand, I doubt this discussion is even very important to you since you like bukkake, so please let them hash it out. Shit is bad right now.

Furthermore, politics have ALWAYS been a prominent staple of super hero media so this just isn't even a media literate take. This is also not a discussion about Batgirl getting tied up. This is a discussion about why peril is dead in heroine peril and social issues are very relevant to shifts in a given community's constituents.

[superbia19872]

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

Oh please. The left controls media and has done so for years. If mainstream Hollywood wanted SHIP we would have it in a heart beat. Its the left who are the new busy body church ladies patrolling our pronouns and screaming about sexual objectifying.

Look at video games. I worked in that industry for 30 years. Its not run by right wingers. We don't get any sexy stuff in games. Instead we get gender propaganda.

You're so busy blaming the right you fail to admit its the left that's the wet blanket.

What are YOU talking about? The left literally berates the right for treating sex workers like subhuman filth. Just because we believe femme characters should be treated with respect in serious media instead of eye candy to keep media illiterate animals engaged does not mean that we are anti kink in any way. I'm never going to understand why y'all NEED a video game that isn't porn to prime you for spanking it when you're done. Fetish content exists for a reason. So the rest of the world doesn't have to watch our kink with us.

I think you need to reevaluate your image of the left because you're punching strawmen.

[rileyparkin1564]

I'm so glad this question is being asked. There's a lot of great data points floating about here.

For me, it started when producers like NewPhx (tame) and SHC (explicit), and even smaller stuff like ShinySuperheroines, just kind of fizzled out in their live action content. Almost as if they couldn't pull from that endless well of babes they had been able to get girls from.

There had been this kind of balance between narrative thrust and overt kink that was the bread and butter of softcore glamour content, and that ended up starting to fracture. I think this shift might have lead to the 'gonzo porn' and 'heroine beat-down karate' camps becoming the pack leaders of the genre in recent years.

Another thing that has been mentioned is that the youth isn't getting hypnotized by Yvonne Craig strapped to a conveyor belt in a skintight Batgirl costume or Emma Peel getting gagged on a gurney or Lynda Carter falling through a trap door to get chloroed. There isn't really that many hot young twentysomething actress's in skintight costumes getting put in peril in entertainment anymore.

It feels like you can draw a clear line from people who grew up watching women like Lynda Carter being beautiful and vulnerable in distress, who then are salivating at the mouth for something like Christina Carter as Amerigana for Paragon. Stuff that just set the DID community on fire, and scratched a particular itch. Those images that you grew up on got your blood pumping, your hormones raging, and your imagination running wild and now you get to see those fantasies become real in a live action film, watching a buxom Amerigana get fondled as she moans under a sopping wet cloth, ending up bound and gagged by slavers! It truly was a golden age.

From 1990-2011 felt like a wild west/ gold rush boom for the DID genre, both in mainstream media and the kink community, most likely due to the rise of the Internet. But I think now there's just a Diet Hays Code type push to kind of desexualize superheroines. I wonder if it's based on how popular these franchises are now, so that they are becoming a bit more buttoned up. For example, Black Widow stripping down in the car in Iron Man 2, would not really be welcome in the Black Widow (2021) movie for instance. But, had that same Black Widow movie been made in the 90s or early 2000s, Black Widow would be stripping out of catsuits, getting tied up, chloroformed, the works.

I definitely agree that the genre is in a lull, which I will always find bizarre considering both how popular these tentpole comic book films are and how diabolically porn-brained our algorithms seem to be. But there are glimmers of hope, I mean who knows maybe Sydney Sweeney will be cast as Black Cat and something kinky will happen in one of those marvel films for once.

[HiDef]

And when you say, "society is not agreeing" you are speaking about a minority of those who spread ignorance, hatred and refuse to face reality.

That's clearly your belief. What I am getting at is that exactly this thing you are doing here comes across as baseless and overly zealous. They define the term differently, they use it differently, so they are a minority (common use would very heavily dispute this), they spread ignorance, hatred and refuse to face reality (but the grounds for this leap isn't at all clear to me ). The logic seems to be : only an ignorant, angry person who refuses to face reality would use this term this way; this guy uses the term this way; so this guy is ignorant, angry, and refuses to face reality. But that first premise is really, really shaky and unsupported here, right?

Like, you point out that them using it as a derogatory comment should sort of self-evidently close the case, but I don't see why. I gave, I think, a pretty good account of in what sense they (or, let's say most of them) intend it to be derogatory, and that doesn't strike me as obviously problematic. It leaves the impression that you've set up a binary where being disparaging of progressive values, or actually just disparaging of progressive values taking precedence over merit/quality/product-coherence/whatever is ignorant, hateful, and refusing to face reality. There has to be some space in the middle here. There has to be more curiosity for what someone is getting at, even if you think their point is invalid, unhelpful or inaccurate.

I see it both ways, of course. I've seen right wing aligned people dismiss others on the exact same type of basis, with the exact same binary that disallows any grey area in the middle or curiosity for what the other person actually believes - it's not my first day on the internet.

I just lament the tribal place we've reached - and I think people on both sides need more nuanced criteria before they dismiss or condemn the other guy in such extreme terms. Everyone's too quick on the draw in this wilderness.

Your statements are full of hypocrisy. You refuse to acknowledge where I pointed it out in earlier posts and pick out a single statement you consider to be the easier target to build your argument on. This both sides crap is just that, crap. It's what people say when they don't want to admit they're wrong about something, it's a cop out. The anonymity of the internet without face to face discourse makes it easy to avoid accountability for one's own actions.

You claim that people who use that term in a derogatory way are not a minority but in reality they are, it's just that they have big mouths and hatred spreads much faster than positive emotions. The problem we have today is people are not willing to stand up for moral values and instead fall in with the crowd that suits them best.

What you fail to see is, it's not about progressive or conservative values, it's about moral values. You can lean right or left politically, but we all have to agree on certain moral values. If not we descend into madness.

I think I've said all I want to say here.