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Lordofheroines17 wrote:
Btw the great depression was reversed by taxing the rich fairly and guess what happened?

For the next 50 years the united states saw a thriving sustained economy to the likes of which the world has never seen.

Actually no. The tax increases and Smoot/Hawley pushed unemployment into around 25% and prolonged the depression for 9 years. We were almost out of the 1929 recession. Unemployment went for 12% down to 8% then Smoot/Hawley wrecked market. And yes it was a progressive republican who passed that. It was the higher tax rates that prolonged the depression.

The period of late 40s to around the late 70s was a period of very little government intervention and little to no federal reserve activity. JFk actually lowered the top bracket and spurred more growth. We had far less government back then.

Mr. X wrote:

Lordofheroines17 wrote:
Btw the great depression was reversed by taxing the rich fairly and guess what happened?

For the next 50 years the united states saw a thriving sustained economy to the likes of which the world has never seen.

Actually no. The tax increases and Smoot/Hawley pushed unemployment into around 25% and prolonged the depression for 9 years. We were almost out of the 1929 recession. Unemployment went for 12% down to 8% then Smoot/Hawley wrecked market. And yes it was a progressive republican who passed that. It was the higher tax rates that prolonged the depression.

The period of late 40s to around the late 70s was a period of very little government intervention and little to no federal reserve activity. JFk actually lowered the top bracket and spurred more growth. We had far less government back then.

Hes so incompetent. FDR was competent. This why you will see what im seeing with time

Lordofheroines17 wrote:
Hes so incompetent. FDR was competent. This why you will see what im seeing with time

I did when I was a progressive liberal for about 25 years of my life.

Anybody triggered yet?

MightyHypnotic wrote: Anybody triggered yet?

Just scared bro.

Mr. X wrote:

Lordofheroines17 wrote:
Hes so incompetent. FDR was competent. This why you will see what im seeing with time

I did when I was a progressive liberal for about 25 years of my life.

FDR was a strong progessive. Thats what we need. He empowered the middle-class. Smart Savy and had conviction. Im honestly asking seriosly i really am, what has trump done to suggest he is any of those things? Please not trying to be a smart ass im really asking.


I want at least some hope.

Lordofheroines17 wrote: FDR was a strong progessive. Thats what we need. He empowered the middle-class. Smart Savy and had conviction. Im honestly asking seriosly i really am, what has trump done to suggest he is any of those things? Please not trying to be a smart ass im really asking.


I want at least some hope.

Why are you comparing to FDR. You do know FDR also approved the execution of 13 Nazi spies without trial and interned thousands of Japanese.

Mr. X wrote:

Lordofheroines17 wrote: FDR was a strong progessive. Thats what we need. He empowered the middle-class. Smart Savy and had conviction. Im honestly asking seriosly i really am, what has trump done to suggest he is any of those things? Please not trying to be a smart ass im really asking.


I want at least some hope.

Why are you comparing to FDR. You do know FDR also approved the execution of 13 Nazi spies without trial and interned thousands of Japanese.

Dude... nobody has any sympathy for Nazi's... you should know that. The Japanese interment camps are one of America's greatest shames, it's a good thing no president since has ever advocated anything similar...

Oh wait.

Femina wrote:

Mr. X wrote:

Lordofheroines17 wrote: FDR was a strong progessive. Thats what we need. He empowered the middle-class. Smart Savy and had conviction. Im honestly asking seriosly i really am, what has trump done to suggest he is any of those things? Please not trying to be a smart ass im really asking.


I want at least some hope.

Why are you comparing to FDR. You do know FDR also approved the execution of 13 Nazi spies without trial and interned thousands of Japanese.

Dude... nobody has any sympathy for Nazi's... you should know that. The Japanese interment camps are one of America's greatest shames, it's a good thing no president since has ever advocated anything similar...

Oh wait.

Exactly. Remember we were not the world power at the time and the two powers murdered millions. Btw what did the other-side of ww2 do? The bloodiest war in human history and a turning point for the world? No country left with clean hands. I doubt Trump could ever see us through something like that. In fact hed end us.

Im comparing him to FDR because we need a strong progressive. No one is ever gonna perfect but we need that back. Fuck Obama and his false promise of change. Timid bastard. He changed nothing and nothing led to something.....WRONG

Lordofheroines17 wrote: Im comparing him to FDR because we need a strong progressive. No one is ever gonna perfect but we need that back. Fuck Obama and his false promise of change. Timid bastard. He changed nothing and nothing led to something.....WRONG

What would Hillary accomplish with LESS democrats in congress than the dems had from 2008-2012? I would have preferred her in office because with a republican congress nothing would get done. BTw what is "progressive" about Hillary? And why weren't those progressive things done when the dems had a super majority? if a tiny minority of repubs can block the dems from 2008-2012 then wouldn't a much larger majority of repubs block Hillary?

SNL, Colbert etc will have 4 years of ripe material to work with.

This guy is speaking the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard. He's going against almost everything he said in this entire campaign. He all sunshine and rainbows now that he won. He is absolutely not to be trusted by any human living or dead. Of course neither was Hillary, but that's another story.

Actually, I'm sure that Putin can trust him since they're buddies and Trump owes him now.

Mr. X wrote:

Lordofheroines17 wrote: Im comparing him to FDR because we need a strong progressive. No one is ever gonna perfect but we need that back. Fuck Obama and his false promise of change. Timid bastard. He changed nothing and nothing led to something.....WRONG

What would Hillary accomplish with LESS democrats in congress than the dems had from 2008-2012? I would have preferred her in office because with a republican congress nothing would get done. BTw what is "progressive" about Hillary? And why weren't those progressive things done when the dems had a super majority? if a tiny minority of repubs can block the dems from 2008-2012 then wouldn't a much larger majority of repubs block Hillary?

SNL, Colbert etc will have 4 years of ripe material to work with.

As Republicans will inform you in this past eight years, it isn't always about what the president will acomplish, sometimes it's about what you DON'T want them to accomplish. The three arms of the government are intended to be checks and balances of power to PREVENT a lot of changes so in THAT sense, it's done its job very well, now it's all full of republicans... all of it. If the government starts accomplishing things like, giant walls between ourselves and one of our best trading partners that WE WILL ABSOLUTELY have to pay for, or interment camps for Arabs, or pissing off other countries, we don't NEED those sorts of accomplishments.

I actually don't think he's going to do much of anything that he said - I mean, the guy was pro-choice as recently as a couple years ago - but hey, I could be wrong. It will be interesting (and crucial) to see. If he actually turns out to be the mild centrist that politically he always has been (until the campaign began), things might not be as bad as they seem right now. I would say don't panic. Yet.

So the swamp is now going to be drained. Except the only way that can happen in the current system is if the alligators who live in the swamp vote to destroy their own habitat and food source. How the Hell is this man going to "drain the swamp" without a paradigm shift to dictatorship?

Whatever the case... Buckle up people. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.

With the dollar plummeting in value, there will be a window of opportunity for international customers to get videos and order customs dirt cheap. Before the US porn industry gets shut down.

Nato puts 300k troops on high alert along Russian border. Global markets plunge. Trump ascends to presidency.


I sincerly hope those news head lines dont become chapters in history books as the start of total war.

Mexican Peso hits record low.

Wall to be built with mud.

wow.

say it ain't so.

so this is what it feels like for Lex Luther to take the seat in the White House.

~.~

Well, he told us all along he was gonna be rigging the election. We just thought he was referring to Hilary rigging it...

America's scientific community is going to suffer a huge brain drain to other countries, now that public policy is going to be decided by a bunch of climate change deniers, young Earth creationists, conversion therapy advocates, anti-vaxxers and stem cell research oppressors.

Get ready for the new Dark Age. Trump's America won't be winning any Nobel Prizes when the Luddite in Chief's favored 'scientists' are the crackpots who can only get their climate change denial papers published in the crappiest journals alongside papers on such credible fields as psychic cancer 'healing' and canine astrology. (Really!)

^^^ And why? Because reforming outmoded industry costs money. If you deny that you need to bother, by believing the guys with their head in the sand, you don't need to spend the cash. You won't be able to breathe when you go outside, but hey LA is like that already.

LA smog is from industry? That is news to me.

No I just said you can't breathe in LA

China's smog is certainly down to industry. And even they've signed the Paris Accord. Which Trump wants to rip up.

On the subject of industry, American manufacturing has actually grown over the last twenty years. Job losses are largely down to automation. The only way to reverse that is to go Full Luddite and smash the machines. Which will result in America producing overpriced goods for the domestic market (because nobody else will pay the premium) using archaic methods.

Yesss now things will get done ! Now we can get this ass dragger out ! What a 8 year waste ! NA NA NA HEY HEY GOODBYE ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The morning after, and I still want a drink.

Vodka, comrade?

Heroine Addict wrote:So the swamp is now going to be drained. Except the only way that can happen in the current system is if the alligators who live in the swamp vote to destroy their own habitat and food source. How the Hell is this man going to "drain the swamp" without a paradigm shift to dictatorship?

He's NOT going to. That's just a bunch of bullshit he spewed in order to get elected. Hillary may have been a pawn of the elite, but he's actually ONE OF THEM. He's not going to act against his own personal interests. The maintenance of the status quo in Washington supports those interests. Messing with a Republican lead congress in particular, does not.

What he likely will do is attempt to shift even more blame on to foreigners, immigrants, minorities, etc. if the improvement he promised doesn't pan out. This is what I am most worried about regarding a Trump presidency. What will he do if things go sour??? The results of this election may make Trump feel empowered to act aggressively in the area of scapegoating.

kingles wrote:

Heroine Addict wrote:So the swamp is now going to be drained. Except the only way that can happen in the current system is if the alligators who live in the swamp vote to destroy their own habitat and food source. How the Hell is this man going to "drain the swamp" without a paradigm shift to dictatorship?

He's NOT going to. That's just a bunch of bullshit he spewed in order to get elected. Hillary may have been a pawn of the elite, but he's actually ONE OF THEM. He's not going to act against his own personal interests. The maintenance of the status quo in Washington supports those interests. Messing with a Republican lead congress in particular, does not.

What he likely will do is attempt to shift even more blame on to foreigners, immigrants, minorities, etc. if the improvement he promised doesn't pan out. This is what I am most worried about regarding a Trump presidency. What will he do if things go sour??? The results of this election may make Trump feel empowered to act aggressively in the area of scapegoating.

Not 'may' WILL. He's not smart enough or competent enough to run the office, that will cause it to churn out problems left and right, all the blame of which, his history proves, will be thrown out at minorities and immigrants and anyone but, you know, the idiot on the throne. And since they all ate it up enough to vote him in, most of us are going to eat it up again and follow this imbecile's lead to the next stage of hateful America.

Femina wrote:

kingles wrote:He's NOT going to. That's just a bunch of bullshit he spewed in order to get elected. Hillary may have been a pawn of the elite, but he's actually ONE OF THEM. He's not going to act against his own personal interests. The maintenance of the status quo in Washington supports those interests. Messing with a Republican lead congress in particular, does not.

What he likely will do is attempt to shift even more blame on to foreigners, immigrants, minorities, etc. if the improvement he promised doesn't pan out. This is what I am most worried about regarding a Trump presidency. What will he do if things go sour??? The results of this election may make Trump feel empowered to act aggressively in the area of scapegoating.

Not 'may' WILL. He's not smart enough or competent enough to run the office, that will cause it to churn out problems left and right, all the blame of which, his history proves, will be thrown out at minorities and immigrants and anyone but, you know, the idiot on the throne. And since they all ate it up enough to vote him in, most of us are going to eat it up again and follow this imbecile's lead to the next stage of hateful America.

He's definitely proven himself to be a skilled and willing demagogue, and so far that's it. As for how things will go, I am just hoping for the best...

Well, true to life, Hillary wins the popular vote!

Electoral College system sucks!

theScribbler wrote:Electoral College system sucks!

It's a bit late to be complaining about the electoral college to be frank. I mean I hate this as much or more than most, but many a republican have gotten the popular vote and lost the electoral and we democrats breath our sigh of relief.

It's the system we've accepted for three hundred years. I guess I wouldn't mind if we got rid of it, but it'd only be good for the NEXT election to be fair to all the people it's screwed over in the past.

It's the PRIMARIES that really need to go.

I thought this was a SUPERHEROINE FORUM??Why even get into politics or even religion here??
On a side note............HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN

Richpartist wrote:I thought this was a SUPERHEROINE FORUM??Why even get into politics or even religion here??
On a side note............HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN

Yeah sure, unless you're Black, Muslim, Mexican or a Woman. Our president is a sex offender let's all leap for joy!

Richpartist wrote:I thought this was a SUPERHEROINE FORUM??Why even get into politics or even religion here??
On a side note............HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN

Well this was an important election! Im sure this thread will die the usual death in a week...

Femina wrote:

theScribbler wrote:Electoral College system sucks!

It's a bit late to be complaining about the electoral college to be frank. I mean I hate this as much or more than most, but many a republican have gotten the popular vote and lost the electoral and we democrats breath our sigh of relief.

Really. Many a republican? Not according to this link...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... ote_margin

When it comes to voting for President, I'm not crazy about my vote being but a small fraction (I'm in California) of effect on election vs the effect of someone who votes in Pennsylvania or other states. This because of the electoral college crap. If popular vote elected president, then all voters are equal.

And no, I don't care if you think it's a bit late to complain. I've complained before, just not here!

Femina wrote:

theScribbler wrote:Electoral College system sucks!

It's a bit late to be complaining about the electoral college to be frank. I mean I hate this as much or more than most, but many a republican have gotten the popular vote and lost the electoral and we democrats breath our sigh of relief.

It's the system we've accepted for three hundred years. I guess I wouldn't mind if we got rid of it, but it'd only be good for the NEXT election to be fair to all the people it's screwed over in the past.

It's the PRIMARIES that really need to go.

Well, there's no incentive for a ruling party to change the system that put them in power. A president voted in by a minority of the people is unlikely to push for a proportional representation system that would have put their opponent in power. It would take something like the drawn-out 2000 shitshow to make electoral reform a priority. But it didn't happen then.

The primaries are just bizarre. In most Western democracies, the nominee for each party is the person who rose through the ranks to the position of party leader. So you get nominees with a good track record of public service.

Again, there's no incentive for the beneficiary of the current system to change that.

theScribbler wrote:

Femina wrote:

theScribbler wrote:Electoral College system sucks!

It's a bit late to be complaining about the electoral college to be frank. I mean I hate this as much or more than most, but many a republican have gotten the popular vote and lost the electoral and we democrats breath our sigh of relief.

Really. Many a republican? Not according to this link...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... ote_margin

When it comes to voting for President, I'm not crazy about my vote being but a small fraction (I'm in California) of effect on election vs the effect of someone who votes in Pennsylvania or other states. This because of the electoral college crap. If popular vote elected president, then all voters are equal.

And no, I don't care if you think it's a bit late to complain. I've complained before, just not here!

Well... as I said, it's not that I wouldn't vote to remove the college if the bill came up... I would. It's just not the first time THIS has happened. So it's not like... we can just go and retroactively name hillary the winner when we've accepted the college for as long as we have... but I think I unnecessarily jumped down your throat about it last night. I didn't want the result we got on Tuesday either. (And you've got a lot more raw data there than I had... I just kind of assumed that with all our past presidents this certainly can't have been the FIRST time someone got the popular vote and didn't win.

California is the biggest fraction of the college... for what its worth. We're worth 55... Penn. is only worth 20.

kingles wrote:This guy is speaking the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard. He's going against almost everything he said in this entire campaign. He all sunshine and rainbows now that he won. He is absolutely not to be trusted by any human living or dead. Of course neither was Hillary, but that's another story.

Actually, I'm sure that Putin can trust him since they're buddies and Trump owes him now.

There very much seems to be two Donald Trumps - the Trump that is being denied something he wants and the Trump that gets what he wants. This will be problematic for several reasons. Number one, it's that questionable temperament that could get us into trouble with other nations. Russia of course won't be a problem as we're basically a satellite nation of theirs now but China could be when he goes to renegotiate trade deals and debt obligations. (By the way, more of the Russia connection is surfacing; did anyone see the quote from Putin advisor Segei Markov "maybe we helped elect him with the emails", confirming that the Russians hacked the DNC emails and passed them on to Wikileaks?)

I also agree with Mr. X's assessment that Trump is in reality a moderate. Already many of his campaign promises are being dismissed. He clearly has no interest in prosecuting Hillary Clinton. It's been stated there will be no mass deportations. How long before members of his really rabid base like the militia groups and the KKK start getting antsy? But in the end this won't be so much about Trump as the people around him. They're the ones who could make things really ugly for a lot of law-abiding but sadly non-white/straight/Christian American citizens.

And I fucking love it how Trump supporters are ripping the protesters when for months they indicated there would would be violent rebellion if Hillary won - and not just from regular citizens but from party leadership. Never mind the veiled and not so veiled assassination threats.

And for the people who say we have to respect the results of the election and "get behind the president" my response is, you mean get behind the president like Donald Trump got behind Barak Obama? By spending 8 years trying to de-legitimize his presidency? Then sure, I'm on board with that.

Some great tabloid front pages And my favourite from Australia - trust the Aussies to cut to the chase

FlyGuy wrote:

kingles wrote:And for the people who say we have to respect the results of the election and "get behind the president" my response is, you mean get behind the president like Donald Trump got behind Barak Obama? By spending 8 years trying to de-legitimize his presidency? Then sure, I'm on board with that.

Seriously. Anyone that tells me "Respect the office if not the man" is going to need to show me that they publicly pushed back against all the people on the right doing the exact opposite of that the last eight years or I am not very politely going to tell them to shut the fuck up and go be a hypocrite somewhere else.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Philo Hunter wrote:

FlyGuy wrote:

kingles wrote:And for the people who say we have to respect the results of the election and "get behind the president" my response is, you mean get behind the president like Donald Trump got behind Barak Obama? By spending 8 years trying to de-legitimize his presidency? Then sure, I'm on board with that.

Seriously. Anyone that tells me "Respect the office if not the man" is going to need to show me that they publicly pushed back against all the people on the right doing the exact opposite of that the last eight years or I am not very politely going to tell them to shut the fuck up and go be a hypocrite somewhere else.

Technically, if you didn't vote for Trump (and voted for someone else) You aren't obligated to support him because you did not agree to let him lead you. You've only agreed to the system of government that allowed it to happen. So we are allowed to respect the office and NOT the man.

It's not like we're all down here plotting his assassination, but you can damn well bet since OVER half the country voted Hillary by the popular count, that means over half the country is allowed to be pissed off.

Richpartist wrote:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

... Is what Trump will be doing instead of any of the things he promised you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trum ... weetstorm/

On November 6, 2012, Donald Trump tweeted: The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.
OK, so sometimes he's right!

CONGRATS TRUMP VOTERS....YOUVE BEEN PLAYED,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-qFc27kIFg



I knew the wall was bullshit but everything after minute 3 made me sick

Femina wrote:Technically, if you didn't vote for Trump (and voted for someone else) You aren't obligated to support him because you did not agree to let him lead you. You've only agreed to the system of government that allowed it to happen. So we are allowed to respect the office and NOT the man.

I love this sort of thing from a philosophical jurisprudential point of view. Did you agree to the system of government? Weren't you just born into it, forced to accept it for 18 (?) years without a say and then told that this is the game and you can play or not but you da,n sure don't get a choice in making the rules ? In this how is "you have to accept these things because of an accident of geography" a choice or inherently fair? (Obviously the real world does actually require some compromise with theory but from an academic theory point of view it's an interesting dichotomy)

lionbadger wrote:

Femina wrote:Technically, if you didn't vote for Trump (and voted for someone else) You aren't obligated to support him because you did not agree to let him lead you. You've only agreed to the system of government that allowed it to happen. So we are allowed to respect the office and NOT the man.

I love this sort of thing from a philosophical jurisprudential point of view. Did you agree to the system of government? Weren't you just born into it, forced to accept it for 18 (?) years without a say and then told that this is the game and you can play or not but you da,n sure don't get a choice in making the rules ? In this how is "you have to accept these things because of an accident of geography" a choice or inherently fair? (Obviously the real world does actually require some compromise with theory but from an academic theory point of view it's an interesting dichotomy)

All social contracts are logical fallacies. You cannot form a contract with someone against their will or knowledge. And there is no such thing as a special contract, or its not a contract.

Im probably going to shut this thread down soon. It was created to have some fun with the election. I just don't want it to be a distraction at this point. Besides, it's more fun to troll the people on CNN.com