Re: Sex Scenes
Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 5:15 am
So you have a WW character do something that WW would never do (decide the only way out is to "please" the villain and engage in sex with him). Well, I guess that's one way to be different!
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If you're going to get that literal, then technically Wonder Woman would never be in a sexual situation. So there goes the fetish.theScribbler wrote:So you have a WW character do something that WW would never do (decide the only way out is to "please" the villain and engage in sex with him). Well, I guess that's one way to be different!
Well, the key element of the SH Peril genre is seeing virtuous superheroines placed in that situation. The lighter videos may use hypnosis, "orgazma gas" or some other love potion trope to make the heroine act out of character while the darker videos (such as most of your Defeated Heroines line) will go for brutal rape scenes. Meanwhile, mainstream pornographers such as Axel Braun choose to bypass the issue of consent altogether and just make porn in costumes with no rape element.Logan wrote:If you're going to get that literal, then technically Wonder Woman would never be in a sexual situation. So there goes the fetish.theScribbler wrote:So you have a WW character do something that WW would never do (decide the only way out is to "please" the villain and engage in sex with him). Well, I guess that's one way to be different!
That seems like you're trying to fudge the awkward issue of consent on this latest video. Even going so far as to have the heroine state aloud that she is in control.he gets pissed and sexually "breaks" her after she states she has control of him sexually. Then it turns into him basically telling her she would be the mother of his children to start a new Army of Amazons as his children...
No, that's not true. WW can be true to character and still be in a sexual situation. Think about it. If you can't figure it out, someone can explain it to you. (You do have to know WW (read WW) to write WW. She's not just a costume.)Logan wrote:If you're going to get that literal, then technically Wonder Woman would never be in a sexual situation. So there goes the fetish.theScribbler wrote:So you have a WW character do something that WW would never do (decide the only way out is to "please" the villain and engage in sex with him). Well, I guess that's one way to be different!
On a more positive note, that is a damn fine shot of Brooklyn. However, she appears to have a slight run in her tights. I hear that clear nail polish can be used to repair hosiery.Logan wrote:The scene today was hot. Really fell in the "none of the above category" lol when you watch it, if you share any of my tastes, you're welcome.
For those who saw Crimson Climax, I feel like I topped that one today with Brooklyn Chase... So excited to get it edited!!!
Lol obviously we destroyed them in the sceneHeroine Addict wrote:Logan, how many times do you need to repost variations on the same "What do you want to see?" thread and then disregard the initial discussion as you advertise your own work?
I don't have time to trawl through the old threads right now, but you must have done the exact same thing at least 20 times I can recall. Surely you must now have a wealth of feedback from all the other "What do you want to see?" threads you started and then turned into extended adverts after the first few replies?
On a more positive note, that is a damn fine shot of Brooklyn. However, she appears to have a slight run in her tights. I hear that clear nail polish can be used to repair hosiery.Logan wrote:The scene today was hot. Really fell in the "none of the above category" lol when you watch it, if you share any of my tastes, you're welcome.
For those who saw Crimson Climax, I feel like I topped that one today with Brooklyn Chase... So excited to get it edited!!!
I must admit, Brooklyn looks damn fine, however true to WW her character may or may not be. She also tweeted this pic before the trunks came down and the tights were ripped open.Logan wrote:
Lol obviously we destroyed them in the scene
And this wasn't a "what do you want to see" post. This is a clarification post and one for me to engage in. This isn't for my PG side-- it's to get ideas for my adult side. I went with what I already knew and created a scenario I liked personally.
There was no avoiding consent topic here. That was not even a thought in our minds when we put this video together. It only made sense for her to try to use her femininity to get out of the situation she was in. The character is not Lymda Carter so the whole "stay true to that" criticism is in the wind. I don't want to stay 100% true to those characters. Everyone else is doing that. Sometimes you need a breath of fresh air and change it up. You want to stay true to a defiant heroine and other factors/traits can be similar but she is a different actress, different story, different name, different universe. Clips4Sale has plenty of "true-to-original" SHIP video options... I have more fun creating than copying.
Most will appreciate-- and Brooklyn did an awesome job the whole way through and nailed in with the fights as well
Brooklyn looked amazing-- it was definitely a pleasure... to work with her. Couldn't have asked for a better scene partner yesterday... and she played the role perfectlyHeroine Addict wrote:I must admit, Brooklyn looks damn fine, however true to WW her character may or may not be. She also tweeted this pic before the trunks came down and the tights were ripped open.
Very true. And when a film is not a custom, I'd still like it to be appealing. Plus I've learned a lot about this genre as a whole -- I enjoy the conversations over various topics here.viking wrote:All the surveys are very inexpensive marketing for his productions. Logan has said many times that much of his material is based on paid custom orders.
Whatever direction you go the one thing that I'd really want is for the actress to be very animated. This would be an extreme situation for a heroine to find herself in and should be played as such. For example, if she's to remain defiant to the end then she should be actively trying to escape, cursing him, threatening vengeance, or perhaps mocking his 'performance'.Logan wrote:Hey all! So I've been getting random feedback about sex scenes in hardcore fetish films and I'm curious what the majority is on this...
Do you prefer when the Heroine is completely taken and defiant the entire time? Or when she initially is defiant and succumbs to her desires basically turning into a slut halfway through? Or do you like to see it mixed up?
How about other things that you wish producers did better as a whole? I'm filming 2 hardcore boy-girl scenes this week and I'd like to not make "classic rookie mistakes" out of lack of feedback beforehand
You're forever a hero for having commissioned that custom by the way...Dragon1 wrote:Logan take a look at my Primal favorite and you will see what I mean.
http://www.superheroineforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21793
That one looks very interesting-- I like the whole 'The Skeleton Key'-looking situation here... well, if you've seen the movie, you'll know what I'm referencing...kingles wrote:You're forever a hero for having commissioned that custom by the way...Dragon1 wrote:Logan take a look at my Primal favorite and you will see what I mean.
http://www.superheroineforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21793
Yes, it is a "what do you want to see" thread, asking "do people prefer" "see"ing 1) defiance the entire time vs 2) initial defiance turning to non-defiance halfway through vs 3) seeing it mixed up?Logan wrote: And this wasn't a "what do you want to see" post. This is a clarification post and one for me to engage in.
Ideas were taken into consideration. And ideas were used in the videos. The idea that I have no interest in the content is just wrong. I wouldn't spend so much time on here if I had no interest in the content... I could just post the videos and hope people watch them. Though I do not share the "fetish" -- which is a word I use very literally though people here do not seem to-- I do enjoy making the films, have great cast and crew who want to make the videos, and enjoy the conversations with most people on these forums.admin wrote:At this point, I think there are a lot of people on this board who feel like you've just used threads like this to spam your site and you really have no interest in the content. So why waste people's valuable time if you're not even going to take their ideas into consideration?
You seem to be getting your "feedback" from mystery places and other forums, so I suggest you keep doing so. I will be deleting any further threads that are clearly of the troll variety.
Feel free to post in the Latest Releases when you have something to advertise. Otherwise, stop trolling.
A couple of honest questions:Logan wrote:
I can appreciate the costumes, the psychology behind the fetish, the fact that this fetish is really just a culmination of various fetishes wrapped up within one wrapper. Could I get off to these videos? Probably? Do I need them to get off? No. And that's why I say I don't share the fetish-- because that is the definition and that's how I personally see it. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy the videos. I purchase other producers' videos to support them and also see what they are doing. i like to get new ideas. I enjoy filming as a whole and this particular "fetish" is fun to do. But to constantly be attacked by a handful of people here just makes the genre seem so miserable. I'm sure there are probably people who do not vocalize their opinions on this board because of the way they see some users attack others over absolutely nothing but a viewpoint. That's very sad for a "community" of people who all say they share the same interest-- but then make others feel like garbage for expressing any single view that doesn't match their own.
Honest Answers:Heroine Addict wrote:A couple of honest questions:Logan wrote:
I can appreciate the costumes, the psychology behind the fetish, the fact that this fetish is really just a culmination of various fetishes wrapped up within one wrapper. Could I get off to these videos? Probably? Do I need them to get off? No. And that's why I say I don't share the fetish-- because that is the definition and that's how I personally see it. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy the videos. I purchase other producers' videos to support them and also see what they are doing. i like to get new ideas. I enjoy filming as a whole and this particular "fetish" is fun to do. But to constantly be attacked by a handful of people here just makes the genre seem so miserable. I'm sure there are probably people who do not vocalize their opinions on this board because of the way they see some users attack others over absolutely nothing but a viewpoint. That's very sad for a "community" of people who all say they share the same interest-- but then make others feel like garbage for expressing any single view that doesn't match their own.
1. Do you believe that a lot of members here have the fetish in the archaic way that you use the word fetish? That is to say they literally can't achieve sexual arousal unless they see superheroines in peril.
2. Do you believe it's responsible to sell videos to a large audience which has such a fetish?
I personally think you're doing this community a great disservice by using an outdated dictionary definition of "fetish" which basically means fetishists are rendered impotent when they don't see superheoines in peril. Is that what you think of us? Honestly?
If somebody is so damaged that they can only achieve an erection through seeing sexual peril, then they are probably a danger to the public. Now, there may be a tiny minority of, to use the technical term, fucking nutjobs among us. (Just as fucking nutjobs are there in the audience for Taxi Driver, thinking Jodie Foster wants them to shoot the president.) However, the vast majority of us are just here for a little kinky fantasy and escapism.
The word fetish simply isn't used in the Freudian sense anymore. These days, it just means people have a certain kink, not that they're obsessive nutjobs who can only ever get off on SH Peril.
kingles wrote:You're forever a hero for having commissioned that custom by the way...Dragon1 wrote:Logan take a look at my Primal favorite and you will see what I mean.
http://www.superheroineforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21793
It doesn't make somebody a "nut job" because they need heroine peril to get off. It makes them a nut job if they can't discern the difference between reality and fantasy. I'd much prefer a person who needed heroine peril to get off to have an outlet for those feelings than to not have one. This is pretty damn judgemental.Heroine Addict wrote:A couple of honest questions:
1. Do you believe that a lot of members here have the fetish in the archaic way that you use the word fetish? That is to say they literally can't achieve sexual arousal unless they see superheroines in peril.
2. Do you believe it's responsible to sell videos to a large audience which has such a fetish?
I personally think you're doing this community a great disservice by using an outdated dictionary definition of "fetish" which basically means fetishists are rendered impotent when they don't see superheoines in peril. Is that what you think of us? Honestly?
If somebody is so damaged that they can only achieve an erection through seeing sexual peril, then they are probably a danger to the public. Now, there may be a tiny minority of, to use the technical term, fucking nutjobs among us. (Just as fucking nutjobs are there in the audience for Taxi Driver, thinking Jodie Foster wants them to shoot the president.) However, the vast majority of us are just here for a little kinky fantasy and escapism.
The word fetish simply isn't used in the Freudian sense anymore. These days, it just means people have a certain kink, not that they're obsessive nutjobs who can only ever get off on SH Peril.
Sorry if things are rough for you over here. This forum has been around for over 10 years. It's filled with users who are very passionate about superheroine videos who are also very particular about what they want to see. Sometimes clashes occur. But I can understand your frustration because, again, the problem isn't you, right? It's EVERYONE else here who can't seem to get it. Even though you freely admit that you have no interest in the genre, outside of trying to make a buck in it.Logan wrote: Of all the forums, this one has, over the years, been the one that is increasingly hostile to anyone who wants to state their own opinion or have a different view. More importantly, it's been a cesspool of ignorance and maliciousness all because you can't get over the fact that I don't share this fetish. Because a girl in a superheroine costume doesn't get me off.
You didn't read a word of what I typed. You have formed your own opinion of me and skipped over everything I said. Because had you actually read it, you would have seen that I just said the opposite of this.admin wrote: Sorry if things are rough for you over here. This forum has it. Even though you freely admit that you have no interest in the genre, outside of trying to make a buck in it.
Thank you. And this is 100% correct.kingles wrote:It doesn't make somebody a "nut job" because they need heroine peril to get off. It makes them a nut job if they can't discern the difference between reality and fantasy. I'd much prefer a person who needed heroine peril to get off to have an outlet for those feelings than to not have one. This is pretty damn judgemental.Heroine Addict wrote:A couple of honest questions:
1. Do you believe that a lot of members here have the fetish in the archaic way that you use the word fetish? That is to say they literally can't achieve sexual arousal unless they see superheroines in peril.
2. Do you believe it's responsible to sell videos to a large audience which has such a fetish?
I personally think you're doing this community a great disservice by using an outdated dictionary definition of "fetish" which basically means fetishists are rendered impotent when they don't see superheoines in peril. Is that what you think of us? Honestly?
If somebody is so damaged that they can only achieve an erection through seeing sexual peril, then they are probably a danger to the public. Now, there may be a tiny minority of, to use the technical term, fucking nutjobs among us. (Just as fucking nutjobs are there in the audience for Taxi Driver, thinking Jodie Foster wants them to shoot the president.) However, the vast majority of us are just here for a little kinky fantasy and escapism.
The word fetish simply isn't used in the Freudian sense anymore. These days, it just means people have a certain kink, not that they're obsessive nutjobs who can only ever get off on SH Peril.
Logan wrote:The scene today was hot. Really fell in the "none of the above category" lol when you watch it, if you share any of my tastes, you're welcome.
For those who saw Crimson Climax, I feel like I topped that one today with Brooklyn Chase... So excited to get it edited!!!
Lol in this one, I did "pull the trigger" and go for actual sex and penetration. It begins with her actually initiating it but then turns forced once he realizes she's trying to trick him. The story has that make sense... We've never played it out that a heroine uses her femininity to overtake a villain so we tried it on this one... We'll see how people like it - I thought it was hot and Brooklyn did too so yeahttb51m wrote:Logan wrote:The scene today was hot. Really fell in the "none of the above category" lol when you watch it, if you share any of my tastes, you're welcome.
For those who saw Crimson Climax, I feel like I topped that one today with Brooklyn Chase... So excited to get it edited!!!
tan pantyhose=check/check/check
pretty good costume (left on)=check
that's a army of two mask painted to look like dead pool=check
haven't seen it but assuming some fighting=check
now did you pull the trigger (so to speak) and show forced, actual penetration?, once you do that, I will be a LOYAL customer,
I like your plots, your direction to the acting, your talent (all stunning women) and your productions, effects, sound, lighting, etc.
you just miss one of my non negotiable, I have several :P
Haha yeah-- her panties actually came off and pantyhose ripped in this one but everything else stayed on. Who knows, you may still enjoy itLeadpoison wrote:Be it defiant or broken, my input would be to keep the panties/thong pieces on during the sexual encounters. That's my kink at any rate! (avoiding the use of the word fetish)
Brooklyn looks fucking baller as WW btw, I hope she reprises her role!
If I had said Tiffany was nude in that one single video you're referencing, then ppl would have purchased it and been upset because she wasn't actually nude. That's called implied nudity in the industry. It's not nudity.Mr. X wrote:You do tend to post a lot of "I don't make fetish material but what kind of fetish material do you want to see in my videos" or "I don't do nudity or adult themed stuff in my videos but what kind of sex do you want to see in my videos and BTW Tiffany Chase is not nude even though she wears no clothes and just has her hands over her naughty bits" type posts then apparently ignore people and then post pics from your videos. In fact a fair number of the new threads are you merely asking these kinds of questions over and over.
Logan wrote:
If I had said Tiffany was nude in that one single video you're referencing, then ppl would have purchased it and been upset because she wasn't actually nude. That's called implied nudity in the industry. It's not nudity.
Yeah that seems real confusing since you shoot in the same place and they pretty much look the same and you represent both studios with the same "Logan" name. In fact it seemed like you had 4 or so things going on that all seemed the same. That's your business but just saying it seemed real confusing. I don't think people get the subtle differences between the stores.And I own 2 completely different production companies. One of them is PG/mainstream. There is no nudity or sex in any of those videos. I also own an Adult production company. Everything is sex and nudity. It depends on what company is being referenced at the time.
Yeah.....And I'd have my actresses jump on and ask the questions I've posted themselves but no one will approve their registrations. They've tried numerous times. So instead, I post their questions and show them the threads.
Being negative about how you post is NOT being negative about your videos. I see NO real criticism of your videos other than you shoot in the same place but most producers are stuck with that and so that's the ONLY critique I have read and its pretty minor. Its your posts that seem odd. Like a while back you insisting you don't make fetish videos but then asking people for fetish ideas. THAT just seems weird to me. But I see no real criticism of your actual videos or models. As for models, I've worked with plenty and I find it hard to believe they even care what's on a forum unless they actively are promoting product. For example Christina Carter posts here but she only posts to advertise and only responds when things are directed right at her in her own threads.To be honest, it's a little disheartening to show an actress a thread where they or I are being bashed when we are working the same production. They've said things like "we're making these videos for them?" And I have to explain that the ones being negative are not the ones who purchase from us. On my end, it's a family type environment making these videos for our fans-- and I thought, as a community, most members here would be more friendly, but it isn't always the case.
Logan wrote: And I'd have my actresses jump on and ask the questions I've posted themselves but no one will approve their registrations. They've tried numerous times. So instead, I post their questions and show them the threads.
Thats exactly what he's doing, toplisting, and its really annoying.Mr. X wrote:Are you sure you're not just posting questions as an excuse to keep your threads bumped to the top? Everytime I login one of the top 5 threads always has "Logan" as the author and usually its about asking a question you've asked many times before. Besides you DO have a producers corner (which I do not BTW) and you can post all the stuff you want there, start conversations about your own models, pump hype etc.
Why would no one approve their registrations?Logan wrote: And I'd have my actresses jump on and ask the questions I've posted themselves but no one will approve their registrations. They've tried numerous times. So instead, I post their questions and show them the threads.
Nice!Dragon1 wrote:kingles wrote:You're forever a hero for having commissioned that custom by the way...Dragon1 wrote:Logan take a look at my Primal favorite and you will see what I mean.
http://www.superheroineforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21793
By the way MG 2 is coming out very soon.
Are there ANY restrictions besides 18+ and accepting TOS? I don't remember any...I think even the war criminal would have a shot at it.tallyho wrote:Why would no one approve their registrations?Logan wrote: And I'd have my actresses jump on and ask the questions I've posted themselves but no one will approve their registrations. They've tried numerous times. So instead, I post their questions and show them the threads.
Unless they committed war crimes in Chechnya.
I like your output, but bullshit is bullshit.
Oh darn, you caught me. Except that I had a behind-the-scenes video up with my actresses posting to another forums because of b.s. that was being said. My actresses actually check these forums from time to time - not all of them... but a lot of the ones who work often. Other producers may keep this to themselves - but you have to remember that most people with a fetish typically DO keep it to themselves. I don't have the fetish - it's just interesting and fun to me - so I share this with my whole team. My post-production supervisor is on these forums and talks to our customers via email about the statuses of the films. One of my actors reads this forum all the time - half the time I hear about things here through him. A bunch of my PG girls read the various threads and then ask about the fetish-- my girls know what they are producing-- I make it very clear to them. They approve all customs, they are well aware of whats up with the community, etc. They don't avidly promote it, other than the PG project itself, but they understand what you guys are here for. 3 of my girls just signed on to a 3-hour long foot fetish custom video. They approved everything from the costumes, to the script, to the content and how the content would be shot and played/acted out. There is nothing to hide from them. As for your other concerns, I just don't feel like addressing them. It's been a long shoot day.Mr. X wrote:Logan wrote:Are you sure you're not just posting questions as an excuse to keep your threads bumped to the top? Everytime I login one of the top 5 threads always has "Logan" as the author and usually its about asking a question you've asked many times before. Besides you DO have a producers corner (which I do not BTW) and you can post all the stuff you want there, start conversations about your own models, pump hype etc.
I actually wondered that myself. Tiffany tried to get an account here and one of my female directors did too - neither of them got a confirmation email - that was about a year or so ago. No bullshit.tallyho wrote:Why would no one approve their registrations?Logan wrote: And I'd have my actresses jump on and ask the questions I've posted themselves but no one will approve their registrations. They've tried numerous times. So instead, I post their questions and show them the threads.
Unless they committed war crimes in Chechnya.
I like your output, but bullshit is bullshit.
You have to have your registration approved by an administrator. They forwarded their emails to me when they tried to register here. Never got a reply from this site.kingles wrote:Are there ANY restrictions besides 18+ and accepting TOS? I don't remember any...I think even the war criminal would have a shot at it.tallyho wrote:Why would no one approve their registrations?Logan wrote: And I'd have my actresses jump on and ask the questions I've posted themselves but no one will approve their registrations. They've tried numerous times. So instead, I post their questions and show them the threads.
Unless they committed war crimes in Chechnya.
I like your output, but bullshit is bullshit.
Gotcha... now.... KO or Death?Puebloboy wrote:I like defiance until the end, despite all their power, they can diminished into a base desire of the villain and they can't do anything about it.
Yup, you got me. I guess I was top listing other people's threads too-- I have a lot to gain by doing that... I had no idea replying to a post even threw it at the top until a few months ago. I log in and I reply. So that's a nice theory, but I could care less about a thread being at the top-- I'm on here to interact.Gus Goreman, Jr. wrote:Thats exactly what he's doing, toplisting, and its really annoying.Mr. X wrote:Are you sure you're not just posting questions as an excuse to keep your threads bumped to the top? Everytime I login one of the top 5 threads always has "Logan" as the author and usually its about asking a question you've asked many times before. Besides you DO have a producers corner (which I do not BTW) and you can post all the stuff you want there, start conversations about your own models, pump hype etc.
Then I apologise, but you made it sound as if they had been refused, rather than they just hadn't had a confirmation email. ( which may have just been treated as spam and blocked at their end)Logan wrote:I actually wondered that myself. Tiffany tried to get an account here and one of my female directors did too - neither of them got a confirmation email - that was about a year or so ago. No bullshit.tallyho wrote:Why would no one approve their registrations?Logan wrote: And I'd have my actresses jump on and ask the questions I've posted themselves but no one will approve their registrations. They've tried numerous times. So instead, I post their questions and show them the threads.
Unless they committed war crimes in Chechnya.
I like your output, but bullshit is bullshit.
Nope, I'm not saying they were denied at all... and I'm not the most tech-savvy person here. I have no clue how to PM anyone on here... I know how to reply to them :/tallyho wrote:Then I apologise, but you made it sound as if they had been refused, rather than they just hadn't had a confirmation email. ( which may have just been treated as spam and blocked at their end)Logan wrote:I actually wondered that myself. Tiffany tried to get an account here and one of my female directors did too - neither of them got a confirmation email - that was about a year or so ago. No bullshit.tallyho wrote:Why would no one approve their registrations?Logan wrote: And I'd have my actresses jump on and ask the questions I've posted themselves but no one will approve their registrations. They've tried numerous times. So instead, I post their questions and show them the threads.
Unless they committed war crimes in Chechnya.
I like your output, but bullshit is bullshit.
But I can't help thinking that a better option than you posting on their behalf would have been you pm-ing admin to point out the lack of confirmation.
Yep.tallyho wrote:But I can't help thinking that a better option than you posting on their behalf would have been you pm-ing admin to point out the lack of confirmation.
lol I love how everyone keeps going back to this. I've filmed 8 adult films in the last few weeks and only ONE has a heroine who isn't 100% defiant to the end - and she's defiant up until she feels there's no other way out because she's in AOH Peril. So 7 films all contain the exact feedback that was given here but God forbid one of the 8 Not have that lolOpaque wrote:Saying that, it's not exactly cool coming in here asking questions about what us "can't get off on anything else" superheroine fetishists like and then just go "fuck it I'll just do my own thing completely".
Logan wrote: I have no clue how to PM anyone on here... I know how to reply to them :/
Who says I do?tallyho wrote:Logan wrote: I have no clue how to PM anyone on here... I know how to reply to them :/
If thats true I'm impressed you manage to dress yourself in the mornings.