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Is it 'fair' to SELL the food you get out of the replicator? In a capitalist world I suppose yes.... I think anyone who BUYS AI artwork is kind of an idiot though. Just go click the refresh button YOURSELF, eventually it'll make you the art you want for free.
I get where you're coming from, but, I mean, I think there is some skill in the prompt and the underlying models to be able to get what you want, Mr X cites DanO who has been at this nearly two years to make the pretty decent stuff he makes. Would you be an idiot if you paid an artist to do a comission instead of watching Youtube to learn to draw?

Where do you draw the line with tools? robots make cars, computers fly planes, AI tells your car to brake in an emergeny, a baby monitor watches your kid to make sure they don't get cold

poser gives you a suite of models and clothes (he said wildly simplfying how cunty magents are) to mould into a scene
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Re: AI flooding on Deviant Art

Femina wrote:
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Is it 'fair' to SELL the food you get out of the replicator? In a capitalist world I suppose yes.... I think anyone who BUYS AI artwork is kind of an idiot though. Just go click the refresh button YOURSELF, eventually it'll make you the art you want for free.
I get where you're coming from, but, I mean, I think there is some skill in the prompt and the underlying models to be able to get what you want, Mr X cites DanO who has been at this nearly two years to make the pretty decent stuff he makes. Would you be an idiot if you paid an artist to do a comission instead of watching Youtube to learn to draw?

Where do you draw the line with tools? robots make cars, computers fly planes, AI tells your car to brake in an emergeny, a baby monitor watches your kid to make sure they don't get cold

poser gives you a suite of models and clothes (he said wildly simplfying how cunty magents are) to mould into a scene
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lionbadger wrote:
2 years ago
Femina wrote:
2 years ago
Is it 'fair' to SELL the food you get out of the replicator? In a capitalist world I suppose yes.... I think anyone who BUYS AI artwork is kind of an idiot though. Just go click the refresh button YOURSELF, eventually it'll make you the art you want for free.
I get where you're coming from, but, I mean, I think there is some skill in the prompt and the underlying models to be able to get what you want, Mr X cites DanO who has been at this nearly two years to make the pretty decent stuff he makes. Would you be an idiot if you paid an artist to do a comission instead of watching Youtube to learn to draw?

Where do you draw the line with tools? robots make cars, computers fly planes, AI tells your car to brake in an emergeny, a baby monitor watches your kid to make sure they don't get cold

poser gives you a suite of models and clothes (he said wildly simplfying how cunty magents are) to mould into a scene
Well I think as I've said, I draw the line... and let's be VERY clear here, this is a question of 'what is ART' to me... not 'should we use AI' >>I<< use AI shit all the time just to ditz around and pass the time. I consider it fair ENTERTAINMENT, none of this is like me standing on a soapbox warning 'DOOM! DONT USE AI!!!!' It's a great 'tool' for entertainment......... but 'tools' don't invariably make one an artist. Most tools aren't FOR art. (and maybe... just maybe we could quit passing off our time wasting entertainment as great art and flooding places where real artists put their output, hiding the true artists work with a slog of soulless 'samey' fools gold?)... then lastly if I'm GONNA spend money on art, I think I really rather WOULD just commission an actual human artist? At least there I know properly who done the actual work involved?

Anyway,

Where I draw the line though, In terms of what ART actually IS from my perspective where the artist MUST put something of themselves into the artwork they've created to be a proper 'artist' with it... There's simply no way to actually do this with AI art (at least 'line/drawn' art) no matter how hard you TRY to get YOUR 'lines' into the art... there's always this vast middleman (the algorithm) in between you and the final product that is the ACTUAL author of the lines robbing you from making the piece YOURS. With an INSANE amount of tireless effort you could probably get the AI, monkey with a typewriter style, to produce some lines the way you yourself would have drawn or imagined them....... but they still aren't YOUR lines. The machine did it all. It read your prompt, it concepted the image, it rifled through it's own enormous library of images for inspiration, took a line from one here and another there on and on through potentially BILLIONS of images to produce something that the algorithm THINKS that you asked for in the prompt. The AI did the WHOLE thing, it's the middle man, the commissioned one, the 'Ghost author' of the entire product. Does one consider THEMSELVES the artist of a piece of art they commission from an artist? The artist.... is the MACHINE... but since the machine isn't self aware and has no soul(read:will) of its own to impart 'itself' into its artwork from, neither is the machine an artist.

It's art WITHOUT an artist... at which point one ponders if that even qualifies as 'art' at all... and isn't JUST entertainment?
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There is a great difference between art and erotic images. Though some erotic images are definitely art, if you are looking for good erotica you don't necessarily care if they are art or not. If AI produces satisfying erotic images and perhaps soon, entire erotic videos, I don't care whether it is "art" or not. I can go to to a museum to see art.
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Lots of interesting commentary here, but back to Mr. X' original post and point. It's an unfortunate problem that will solve itself when the gullible run out of money. I remember 2010 when Amazon let independent authors monetize independent writing. They were flooded with obvious scam titles that had contents that resembled a phone book, and the good works were obscured. I think this is what Mr. X is reacting to, and I say it's unfortunate, but it will pass. A fool and his money are soon parted, but that only means we get fewer fools with money.

Worse for me is the folks who aren't trying to charge for it, but are still flooding their pages with AI generated images. I had to un-watch someone I like on DA because, although she is a talented amateur artist, she fell into generating dozens of AI images every day, and I didn't want that in my feed. She was rewarded with thousands of other followers though. shrug_emoji

As to labeling your own productions AI, where do you draw the line? Even trying to be honest, I'm not sure where to draw the line if I start with an AI prompt, put it through several filters, clean it up with Clip Studio, and add a few touches to it. I've done a lot of playing around with this image that started as generated AI and that I intend as an illustration of a story by a writer I admire. It's still clearly AI and not exactly what I intend, but I'm no artist. Still, it's far from the original image I generated, and also far from something drawn by a real artist.
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I'm sure you can spot the many flaws. For instance the terribly done shiver lines that I tried to put in to indicate the rope was pulled taut, and the amateurish collar. But should it be called AI? Many artists "borrow" from classic poses for part of their artwork. They just didn't have the tools before to do it without being artists themselves.

In any case I'm with Mr. X and decry people who join DA, throw up thousands of unedited AI images and try to charge for them. It just pollutes the site, and will eventually fade in my opinion but not before it pisses a lot of people off.
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joejanus wrote:
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In any case I'm with Mr. X and decry people who join DA, throw up thousands of unedited AI images and try to charge for them. It just pollutes the site, and will eventually fade in my opinion but not before it pisses a lot of people off.
Thanks and nice pic.
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Mr. X wrote:
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joejanus wrote:
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In any case I'm with Mr. X and decry people who join DA, throw up thousands of unedited AI images and try to charge for them. It just pollutes the site, and will eventually fade in my opinion but not before it pisses a lot of people off.
Thanks and nice pic.
It's meant to illustrate a scene from Valley Vixin's wonderfully erotic Riddle of the Rope https://www.superheroineforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=37908
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Thanks to advice from LordSnot over on DA, I am getting better at enhancing on KreaAI.

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Well, KreaAI has bee fun, but this morning i was denied access. Says "invalid credentials"

It's my e-mail and password, so WTF?

EDIT: I tested it on a different laptop, and it works. Stranger and stranger.
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DonShip wrote:
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Well, KreaAI has bee fun, but this morning i was denied access. Says "invalid credentials"

It's my e-mail and password, so WTF?
I saw on their forum they were having issues with the free sign ups.
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:evil: I'm a paid customer, so....

Anyway, I rebooted twice, and it finally let me sign in. All is well in my sick little world. :evil:

Anyway, I've found I get the best results on rendered and hand drawn women using Strength 75% Resemblance 15%, and color match.
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joejanus wrote:
2 years ago
Lots of interesting commentary here, but back to Mr. X' original post and point. It's an unfortunate problem that will solve itself when the gullible run out of money. I remember 2010 when Amazon let independent authors monetize independent writing. They were flooded with obvious scam titles that had contents that resembled a phone book, and the good works were obscured. I think this is what Mr. X is reacting to, and I say it's unfortunate, but it will pass. A fool and his money are soon parted, but that only means we get fewer fools with money.

Worse for me is the folks who aren't trying to charge for it, but are still flooding their pages with AI generated images. I had to un-watch someone I like on DA because, although she is a talented amateur artist, she fell into generating dozens of AI images every day, and I didn't want that in my feed. She was rewarded with thousands of other followers though. shrug_emoji

As to labeling your own productions AI, where do you draw the line? Even trying to be honest, I'm not sure where to draw the line if I start with an AI prompt, put it through several filters, clean it up with Clip Studio, and add a few touches to it. I've done a lot of playing around with this image that started as generated AI and that I intend as an illustration of a story by a writer I admire. It's still clearly AI and not exactly what I intend, but I'm no artist. Still, it's far from the original image I generated, and also far from something drawn by a real artist.
Image

I'm sure you can spot the many flaws. For instance the terribly done shiver lines that I tried to put in to indicate the rope was pulled taut, and the amateurish collar. But should it be called AI? Many artists "borrow" from classic poses for part of their artwork. They just didn't have the tools before to do it without being artists themselves.

In any case I'm with Mr. X and decry people who join DA, throw up thousands of unedited AI images and try to charge for them. It just pollutes the site, and will eventually fade in my opinion but not before it pisses a lot of people off.
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I still love you @wondersarah1977 even if you are the monster on the hill. ;)
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