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It may be foolish to offer a review of a free hour-long YouTube video but I figure, what the hell. Sorry there's no picture here of the promo material or any screen captures. My bad.

SPOILERS ALERT!!! This review is full of them.


I give this video a 7 out of 10. I wish that it could be a bit higher but there were a couple of places where it just fell short of an 8 in my opinion.

The video is a bit of a slow starter but I understand one has to set the scene and the story. Overall, I think the script was strong with interesting interplay between the characters of SG and Ms. Nessmacher/Agent I-270. The interactions between Luthor and I-270 were much less effective but I think that was more of a production and acting issue than a script problem.

The comments I’ve read about Kaycee Anne looking a bit too “mannish” at the start of the video I do agree with. And in comparison to Jac LeDoux, including her figure, she does suffer but I’ve watched the video three times now and Kaycee has grown on me. As Supergirl she embodies a sort of cuteness that surpasses Jac’s, I feel. I also think Kaycee’s acting is more natural than Jac’s.

I suppose the producers were going for a wide contrast between her two identities as Ms. Kent and Supergirl but her clothing in the opening scene doesn’t do Kaycee any favors, and neither does her hairstyle.

Linda Hines’ acting is serviceable. But she does nail some lines very nicely and picks up those scenes when she rises to the occasion. I think she gets stronger as the video progresses.

It seems damn foolish for Ms Nessmacher (Tessmacher, I couldn’t quite make out the pronunciation) to stop and stand right outside the front door of Ms. Kent’s house and say “She bought it...etc.” thus giving away her plans in earshot of the heroine. You think she’d wait at least until she got in her car. That struck a false note to me. Also, it seemed odd for Kent to change into SG outside her house but I understand the desire for a dramatic shot at that point. She doesn’t even get her clothes off before she takes off. How does that work? And her hairstyle changes while flying? On the other hand, her landing in the street outside the pool house was nicely edited.

Another acting note on Kaycee: She gets complimented quite a bit in the interview and her reactions and comments to them were wonderfully delivered, deflecting the compliments while still accepting them. It’s some of my favorite work of hers in the video.

A side note; the sound of the clicking camera during the photo shoot and the noise that the video camera makes through the film is somehow delightfully sinister and I thought added a nice touch of menace to the film, so kudos to the sound guys. But later on in the work, the sound quality in the scene between Luthor and Agent I-270 was just awful. Could barely make out the dialogue and the static shot of why they were even meeting at the plane hanger didn’t make a lot of sense to me. Especially since there wasn’t a close-up between them at that point. Not sure what the production issues were at that point but that scene didn’t work well at all, in my opinion. I understand it was necessary to fill the 4-minute gap of SG holding her breath underwater for script purposes but it fell pretty flat.

The scenes with Supergirl during the interview were fun. I am guessing that the small size weight wasn’t really meant to be 10,000 pounds even within the reality of the video. More like a prop for the sake of the photo shoot. It did seem to have enough heft though that it might have been used as peril later in the video but more on that in a bit.

The second half of the interview was a bit superfluous to me and I would have preferred that the time there would have been given to more peril. That said, the trap of laying out the cash for charity if she did the video was believable and the list of what they client wanted was innocuous enough to not raise any interior alarm bells in SG’s mind. So I thought that worked well. And then, the moment when Ms. Nessmacher almost rudely asks Supergirl “Now do you mind sitting down” and she does, that to me was a hot moment. And Hines’ delivery about the list not making SG uncomfortable was nicely done.

Once again, Ms Nessmacher stands right outside the poolhouse and says within easy range of Supergirl’s super hearing “She fell for the trap.” And then goes on to lay out subsequent plans. Really? That was harder to swallow than when she did it outside Kent’s home. I call that a script error. She could have moved off further somehow.

The pool sequence prior to Agent I-270's return was pretty enjoyable overall. Kaycee has a nice rear and I would have liked to see a bit more of it during the underwater sequence. Still I feel that Kaycee’s flirting gestures and her facial expressions were exactly in line with what Supergirl would have been comfortable doing, so nice work on that from her. The camera work and clarity of the underwater visuals are quite excellent by the way.

The line and smile that Kaycee delivers “I think 4 minutes is a good goal. You ready?” was just so cute that she won me over there. I had some reservations up to that point but not after that. It’s important you care about the character in a video or story. If you don’t the peril loses its bite. Something to consider in any future scripts from this producer. Make the character engaging as hell and your peril will gain exponentially.

Another note on the hangar scene. It was pretty obvious that Marc Walton is reading his lines off a paper on the plane’s wing. He’s not even looking at I-270 in the scene. I don’t know if this is because there was a last minute script revision on set but it’s just abysmal. Really detracted from the Luthor character as any kind of threat and diminished the video significantly!

So, back to pool scene where Supergirl puts on the shackles and handcuffs. I guess it would have been too dangerous for Kaycee to have had them on during the scene with both versions of the kryptonite rocks, blue and green being thrown in there to incapacitate her, but man, if Supergirl had been unable to break them during her ordeal, the peril would have been incredibly more exciting. Ah well, one can wish. By the way, the sound effect of the snapping chains was great!

The effect of the radiation for the blue and green kryptonite was, I would say, acceptable. I’m not sure what other way you could have done it but the flashing blue and green filters and musical background got the point across so it worked well enough. The cramp idea was good but then she just hung around treading water and listening to I-270 jabber away without floundering that much, without showing much distress or possibly going under water in spasms or trying to swim away, so that didn’t work quite as well as I would have liked.

And I definitely felt the same way about the entire green kryptonite underwater sequence. Without any thrashing or arm waving or sense of real panic in Kaycee’s face, the scene just sort of carried along at the same slow pace, bubbles coming out of her mouth showing her air loss and some look of distress but that was about it. I think she should have been trying unsuccessfully to stay afloat, pushing off the bottom, or writhing with her arms clutched around her stomach in pain from the radiation. There was one short sequence when she’s near the very bottom of the pool, a medium shot, that showed a tiny bit more of effort by SG trying to reach out but I didn’t even really recall it until the third viewing. So yes, it definitely needed something more! I felt you lost a real opportunity here and that’s why the video wasn’t an 8 or 9 on my scale.

Why would I-270 go into the house during the drowning scene and not watch the pool? Did she get that out of the Bond Villain handboook? (Leave the scene of your victim’s peril ASAP! You’re much too important to hang around and check on your quality control!)

The free floating face-up death scene worked though but then Luthor comes in and the scene just falls apart again with Luthor’s reaction and the actor’s delivery. Plus, saying that I-270 has 15 minutes to cut her up in a million pieces was a laughable concept. And that was mostly the only dialogue I could hear before he leaves.

I’m not sure what the purpose was to have I-270 jump into the pool and take a swim. The motivation to retrieve the kryptonite rocks surely would have been enough. The resuscitation scene worked nicely though. And the fight scene “to the death” was quite good with neither one of the combatants gaining a clear advantage at first. I’m guessing that we’re supposed to think that SG is still too weak from the kyptonite’s effects to put up a decent fight. Normally she’d clean the assassin’s clock. So I bought that aspect without it being voiced or explained in the dialogue. I was somewhat surprised to see SG actually trying to drown I-270 near the end of their fight since it’s against her heroine code, but I certainly did enjoy how Kaycee expressed the strain of trying to do so. Another high moment for her in the video. And, after all, she did resuscitate the villain only to have to inadvertently kill her in the end in self defense.

As for the ending, it’s actually Marc Walton’s best performance of the video, although he’s still obviously reading the script right out of the camera frame. At least he shows a hint of the determination and threat that one expects from Luthor. I also like the idea of Luthor knowing Supergirl’s secret identity. It’s a nice touch and a good lead-in for the next and (presumably) final film in the sequence.

All-in-all, the video offered a nice script and quite enjoyable performances by the two women. The production values except for the hangar scene were good as well. I enjoyed the fact that Supergirl actually was “dead” for a short time and you get high marks for that from me. I just wish there had been more struggling in the pool once the kryptonite was thrown in.

I gave it a chance. I'm being generous in giving it a 4. The part in the hangar was laughable; it was like some random guy off the street was asked to do a quick reading...."hey, do you mind reading a part for this scene? I'll put the script here on the wing so you can see it". I really had a hard time watching this, in spite of all the hype and excitement generated for it. I watched the underwear scenes a few times hoping I'd see something I liked but suffice to say, I didn't find SG sexy or erotic, and it appeared KC tried to keep her skirt from floating up, which kind of defeats the purpose of wearing a heroine costume underwater, I think. I can give it a 10 for effort considering the last minute changes and drama that affected it.

DrDominator9 wrote:It may be foolish to offer a review of a free hour-long YouTube video but I figure, what the hell. Sorry there's no picture here of the promo material or any screen captures. My bad.

SPOILERS ALERT!!! This review is full of them.


I give this video a 7 out of 10. I wish that it could be a bit higher but there were a couple of places where it just fell short of an 8 in my opinion.

The video is a bit of a slow starter but I understand one has to set the scene and the story. Overall, I think the script was strong with interesting interplay between the characters of SG and Ms. Nessmacher/Agent I-270. The interactions between Luthor and I-270 were much less effective but I think that was more of a production and acting issue than a script problem.

The comments I’ve read about Kaycee Anne looking a bit too “mannish” at the start of the video I do agree with. And in comparison to Jac LeDoux, including her figure, she does suffer but I’ve watched the video three times now and Kaycee has grown on me. As Supergirl she embodies a sort of cuteness that surpasses Jac’s, I feel. I also think Kaycee’s acting is more natural than Jac’s.

I suppose the producers were going for a wide contrast between her two identities as Ms. Kent and Supergirl but her clothing in the opening scene doesn’t do Kaycee any favors, and neither does her hairstyle.

Linda Hines’ acting is serviceable. But she does nail some lines very nicely and picks up those scenes when she rises to the occasion. I think she gets stronger as the video progresses.

It seems damn foolish for Ms Nessmacher (Tessmacher, I couldn’t quite make out the pronunciation) to stop and stand right outside the front door of Ms. Kent’s house and say “She bought it...etc.” thus giving away her plans in earshot of the heroine. You think she’d wait at least until she got in her car. That struck a false note to me. Also, it seemed odd for Kent to change into SG outside her house but I understand the desire for a dramatic shot at that point. She doesn’t even get her clothes off before she takes off. How does that work? And her hairstyle changes while flying? On the other hand, her landing in the street outside the pool house was nicely edited.

Another acting note on Kaycee: She gets complimented quite a bit in the interview and her reactions and comments to them were wonderfully delivered, deflecting the compliments while still accepting them. It’s some of my favorite work of hers in the video.

A side note; the sound of the clicking camera during the photo shoot and the noise that the video camera makes through the film is somehow delightfully sinister and I thought added a nice touch of menace to the film, so kudos to the sound guys. But later on in the work, the sound quality in the scene between Luthor and Agent I-270 was just awful. Could barely make out the dialogue and the static shot of why they were even meeting at the plane hanger didn’t make a lot of sense to me. Especially since there wasn’t a close-up between them at that point. Not sure what the production issues were at that point but that scene didn’t work well at all, in my opinion. I understand it was necessary to fill the 4-minute gap of SG holding her breath underwater for script purposes but it fell pretty flat.

The scenes with Supergirl during the interview were fun. I am guessing that the small size weight wasn’t really meant to be 10,000 pounds even within the reality of the video. More like a prop for the sake of the photo shoot. It did seem to have enough heft though that it might have been used as peril later in the video but more on that in a bit.

The second half of the interview was a bit superfluous to me and I would have preferred that the time there would have been given to more peril. That said, the trap of laying out the cash for charity if she did the video was believable and the list of what they client wanted was innocuous enough to not raise any interior alarm bells in SG’s mind. So I thought that worked well. And then, the moment when Ms. Nessmacher almost rudely asks Supergirl “Now do you mind sitting down” and she does, that to me was a hot moment. And Hines’ delivery about the list not making SG uncomfortable was nicely done.

Once again, Ms Nessmacher stands right outside the poolhouse and says within easy range of Supergirl’s super hearing “She fell for the trap.” And then goes on to lay out subsequent plans. Really? That was harder to swallow than when she did it outside Kent’s home. I call that a script error. She could have moved off further somehow.

The pool sequence prior to Agent I-270's return was pretty enjoyable overall. Kaycee has a nice rear and I would have liked to see a bit more of it during the underwater sequence. Still I feel that Kaycee’s flirting gestures and her facial expressions were exactly in line with what Supergirl would have been comfortable doing, so nice work on that from her. The camera work and clarity of the underwater visuals are quite excellent by the way.

The line and smile that Kaycee delivers “I think 4 minutes is a good goal. You ready?” was just so cute that she won me over there. I had some reservations up to that point but not after that. It’s important you care about the character in a video or story. If you don’t the peril loses its bite. Something to consider in any future scripts from this producer. Make the character engaging as hell and your peril will gain exponentially.

Another note on the hangar scene. It was pretty obvious that Marc Walton is reading his lines off a paper on the plane’s wing. He’s not even looking at I-270 in the scene. I don’t know if this is because there was a last minute script revision on set but it’s just abysmal. Really detracted from the Luthor character as any kind of threat and diminished the video significantly!

So, back to pool scene where Supergirl puts on the shackles and handcuffs. I guess it would have been too dangerous for Kaycee to have had them on during the scene with both versions of the kryptonite rocks, blue and green being thrown in there to incapacitate her, but man, if Supergirl had been unable to break them during her ordeal, the peril would have been incredibly more exciting. Ah well, one can wish. By the way, the sound effect of the snapping chains was great!

The effect of the radiation for the blue and green kryptonite was, I would say, acceptable. I’m not sure what other way you could have done it but the flashing blue and green filters and musical background got the point across so it worked well enough. The cramp idea was good but then she just hung around treading water and listening to I-270 jabber away without floundering that much, without showing much distress or possibly going under water in spasms or trying to swim away, so that didn’t work quite as well as I would have liked.

And I definitely felt the same way about the entire green kryptonite underwater sequence. Without any thrashing or arm waving or sense of real panic in Kaycee’s face, the scene just sort of carried along at the same slow pace, bubbles coming out of her mouth showing her air loss and some look of distress but that was about it. I think she should have been trying unsuccessfully to stay afloat, pushing off the bottom, or writhing with her arms clutched around her stomach in pain from the radiation. There was one short sequence when she’s near the very bottom of the pool, a medium shot, that showed a tiny bit more of effort by SG trying to reach out but I didn’t even really recall it until the third viewing. So yes, it definitely needed something more! I felt you lost a real opportunity here and that’s why the video wasn’t an 8 or 9 on my scale.

Why would I-270 go into the house during the drowning scene and not watch the pool? Did she get that out of the Bond Villain handboook? (Leave the scene of your victim’s peril ASAP! You’re much too important to hang around and check on your quality control!)

The free floating face-up death scene worked though but then Luthor comes in and the scene just falls apart again with Luthor’s reaction and the actor’s delivery. Plus, saying that I-270 has 15 minutes to cut her up in a million pieces was a laughable concept. And that was mostly the only dialogue I could hear before he leaves.

I’m not sure what the purpose was to have I-270 jump into the pool and take a swim. The motivation to retrieve the kryptonite rocks surely would have been enough. The resuscitation scene worked nicely though. And the fight scene “to the death” was quite good with neither one of the combatants gaining a clear advantage at first. I’m guessing that we’re supposed to think that SG is still too weak from the kyptonite’s effects to put up a decent fight. Normally she’d clean the assassin’s clock. So I bought that aspect without it being voiced or explained in the dialogue. I was somewhat surprised to see SG actually trying to drown I-270 near the end of their fight since it’s against her heroine code, but I certainly did enjoy how Kaycee expressed the strain of trying to do so. Another high moment for her in the video. And, after all, she did resuscitate the villain only to have to inadvertently kill her in the end in self defense.

As for the ending, it’s actually Marc Walton’s best performance of the video, although he’s still obviously reading the script right out of the camera frame. At least he shows a hint of the determination and threat that one expects from Luthor. I also like the idea of Luthor knowing Supergirl’s secret identity. It’s a nice touch and a good lead-in for the next and (presumably) final film in the sequence.

All-in-all, the video offered a nice script and quite enjoyable performances by the two women. The production values except for the hangar scene were good as well. I enjoyed the fact that Supergirl actually was “dead” for a short time and you get high marks for that from me. I just wish there had been more struggling in the pool once the kryptonite was thrown in.

Hello again, DrDominator9. First of all..I appreciate your feedback/review and I'm glad the you enjoyed the film. 7 out of 10 is a good rating for me. I know that this installment had flaws under the circumstances..but the film is doing very well and has gotten a lot of positive feedback, especially on Kaycee Anne's performance as Supergirl as well as Linda Hines. but I do appreciate your feedback. i do agree..the hangar scene was very weak and disappointing..I was disappointed with it myself..but there was nothing i could do about it and I couldn't leave it out of the film. mind you, Marc is not an actor..he's actually the guy that runs MMP Studios and he is behind the camera bringing you all the underwater scenes in the film and etc.. FYI, the Marc Luthor angle of this series will be closing in Supergirl VI. Also, i'm glad that you liked kaycee Anne and Linda Hines in the film. A lot of fans of this series embraced kaycee Anne and found her cute and sexy in the film. i must say i was blown away and please by her performance. Anyway, I do appreciate your review..its totally fair and I appreciate the rating of a 7 out of 10.

avenger wrote:I gave it a chance. I'm being generous in giving it a 4. The part in the hangar was laughable; it was like some random guy off the street was asked to do a quick reading...."hey, do you mind reading a part for this scene? I'll put the script here on the wing so you can see it". I really had a hard time watching this, in spite of all the hype and excitement generated for it. I watched the underwear scenes a few times hoping I'd see something I liked but suffice to say, I didn't find SG sexy or erotic, and it appeared KC tried to keep her skirt from floating up, which kind of defeats the purpose of wearing a heroine costume underwater, I think. I can give it a 10 for effort considering the last minute changes and drama that affected it.

Sorry for the late response. Once again I appreacite the feedback and the opinion, but, I'm gonna be honest with you, avenger...and I'm not trying to sound critical or defensive. i think your low rating of this installment was based on the fact that you are not a fan of Kaycee and that your a fan of Jac (which is clearly understandable) and your bias towards Kaycee is clearly shown here on your review. I do agree..the hangar scene was awful and I was disappointed with that scene..but like I said before, i couldn't leave it out of the film. As for the rest of the film..especially the underwater scene, I'm really finding hard to believe that you find Kaycee's performance as Supergirl (especially in the underwater scenes) not to your liking. The acting was better and the performance was natural and the underwater scenes were sexy. I am sorry that it wasn't erotic or sexy enough for your liking. but you have to understand that this is a youtube fan film and erotic material is out of the question. Now, I do respect your feedback and opinion..but clearly your bias towards Kaycee is clearly shown in your review and has shown since i posted up the screenshot of this film a couple of weeks ago. Granted, I know you and lot of other people were and still are fans of Jac Ledoux and Jac will be back as Supergirl in a future series I'm currently planning on..but under the circumstance..I had to go to an alternate route and Kaycee was perfect for the role and has already grown on many fans of the series. Plus, the facebook page of the series has twice has doubled and it near 300 likes and not only that..But the film has generated more views in one month faster than the other four installment, which is really surprising to me as well and I've gotten a lot of positive feedback about this installment through emails, facebook message, Deviant Art, underwater/wetlook forums and sights and other superheroine facebook group pages.

Once again, I'm sorry that this film wasn't your favorite and was not to your liking..but in my view..its because you rather have had Jac ledoux in it, instead of Kaycee Anne. Anyway, I look forward to reading your response, avenger.

it has nothing to do with Jac or Kaycee; I honestly thought it was a hard movie to watch for a lot of the reasons a previous poster said...I'm not blatantly insulting your movie; I'm just telling you it was choppy and really not that enjoyable--to me. As for Kaycee, I have nothing against her, personally or professionally, as I've never met her. I'm sure she's a nice person in real life but your assumptions I don't like her are probably based on my earlier comment regarding her 'mannish' looks, and that is obviously do to the unflattering (man's) shirt she was wearing, not to mention the cape being folded and crammed into her pants. And to be fair, I'm not the only one who's commented on her unflattering look in the preview pics. I didn't put her in that ugly shirt, so any comments about her looking 'mannish' or 'big' need to be directed at your wardrobe department, and like I said before---it's a matter of quality control over your product. I can assure you I wouldn't let that movie see the light of day if I saw my main actress wearing a man's shirt and unflattering outfit to open the movie....so take my comments for what you think they're worth. I'm not insulting anyone and the only 'insulting' comment I made was about the hangar scene, and I really don't think there's a lot of people who will disagree with me on that. It was a very awkward scene and it just disrupted any flow of the movie. Kaycee actually was the saving grace in this movie and I think she's done a great job in spite of the circumstances and being thrown in at the last minute.

avenger wrote:it has nothing to do with Jac or Kaycee; I honestly thought it was a hard movie to watch for a lot of the reasons a previous poster said...I'm not blatantly insulting your movie; I'm just telling you it was choppy and really not that enjoyable--to me. As for Kaycee, I have nothing against her, personally or professionally, as I've never met her. I'm sure she's a nice person in real life but your assumptions I don't like her are probably based on my earlier comment regarding her 'mannish' looks, and that is obviously do to the unflattering (man's) shirt she was wearing, not to mention the cape being folded and crammed into her pants. And to be fair, I'm not the only one who's commented on her unflattering look in the preview pics. I didn't put her in that ugly shirt, so any comments about her looking 'mannish' or 'big' need to be directed at your wardrobe department, and like I said before---it's a matter of quality control over your product. I can assure you I wouldn't let that movie see the light of day if I saw my main actress wearing a man's shirt and unflattering outfit to open the movie....so take my comments for what you think they're worth. I'm not insulting anyone and the only 'insulting' comment I made was about the hangar scene, and I really don't think there's a lot of people who will disagree with me on that. It was a very awkward scene and it just disrupted any flow of the movie. Kaycee actually was the saving grace in this movie and I think she's done a great job in spite of the circumstances and being thrown in at the last minute.

I didn't say that you were insulting the movie and I did say that I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the film. The reason why i based my opinion on you not liking her wasn't because that you stated "regarding her 'mannish' looks" which again I disagree with....but the fact that after i finished posting the screenshot...the first thing you said was "I miss Jac Already" and to me kinda put a negative light on some things in my view, which is fine because your entitled to your opinion and I do respect that. Again, i do agree with you on the hangar scene and it wasn't insulting. You have said nothing insulting about anything or anyone. But, i feel that the choice of words on some things I have to disagree with. I'm not saying that your wrong in anyway or don't have a right to say those things..but of course i have to present my feedback. Now, your part of the small majority that didn't like this film and that's unfortunate..but its ok. We can't win them all. I do agree kaycee Anne was a saving grace in this film under the circumstances and she will be in Supergirl 6 and potentially other Supergirl projects in the future.

Moving on.....

avenger wrote:Moving on.....

Indeed...

jimbobklyn5 wrote:
Mind you, Marc is not an actor..he's actually the guy that runs MMP Studios and he is behind the camera bringing you all the underwater scenes in the film and etc..

Well, he should definitely stick to what he's good at, underwater photography. It was excellent. Even though he's not an actor, you would think he might have made an effort to memorize his lines at least. I'm sure he was interested in the final quality of the video, no? Ah well. I'm glad he's just got one more video he'll be appearing in. Nothing personal, but he should stay behind the camera from now on and concentrate on his real expertise.

DrDominator9 wrote:

jimbobklyn5 wrote:
Mind you, Marc is not an actor..he's actually the guy that runs MMP Studios and he is behind the camera bringing you all the underwater scenes in the film and etc..

Well, he should definitely stick to what he's good at, underwater photography. It was excellent. Even though he's not an actor, you would think he might have made an effort to memorize his lines at least. I'm sure he was interested in the final quality of the video, no? Ah well. I'm glad he's just got one more video he'll be appearing in. Nothing personal, but he should stay behind the camera from now on and concentrate on his real expertise.

i agree with you. the thing that counts is the quality of the video.

Now, your part of the small majority that didn't like this film and that's unfortunate..but its ok. We can't win them all.

I'm probably in the 'small majority' who are actually taking the time to comment on the movie....so to be fair, I have to assume there are a lot more like me who didn't think it was that great of a movie who are NOT choosing to comment. To the best of my knowledge, only ONE or TWO commented that they DID like it, so there may be many more who actually liked it that are choosing not to comment. Fair? I noticed every post you made here regarding the previews, the updates, and the subsequent release have all been viewed many times, yet so far only a few people have bothered to comment on the actual movie itself. So while I'm not trying to cause a fire here with my comments, but fair is fair---you're going to stand behind your product and say it was a great movie, while a few others have reviewed it favorably, and I reviewed it to my dislike. Having said that, I'm curious to hear from the actual people who DONATED to this movie and hear what they think, because in all honesty and fairness, if I donated any money I'd be a little disappointed with the end product---but that's just me---so without taking any offense to what I'm saying, and not intending to open a can of worms, it's fair to ask the people who donated their money to this project what they thought of it. Yes?

avenger wrote:Now, your part of the small majority that didn't like this film and that's unfortunate..but its ok. We can't win them all.

I'm probably in the 'small majority' who are actually taking the time to comment on the movie....so to be fair, I have to assume there are a lot more like me who didn't think it was that great of a movie who are NOT choosing to comment. To the best of my knowledge, only ONE or TWO commented that they DID like it, so there may be many more who actually liked it that are choosing not to comment. Fair? I noticed every post you made here regarding the previews, the updates, and the subsequent release have all been viewed many times, yet so far only a few people have bothered to comment on the actual movie itself. So while I'm not trying to cause a fire here with my comments, but fair is fair---you're going to stand behind your product and say it was a great movie, while a few others have reviewed it favorably, and I reviewed it to my dislike. Having said that, I'm curious to hear from the actual people who DONATED to this movie and hear what they think, because in all honesty and fairness, if I donated any money I'd be a little disappointed with the end product---but that's just me---so without taking any offense to what I'm saying, and not intending to open a can of worms, it's fair to ask the people who donated their money to this project what they thought of it. Yes?

You have not opened up a can of worms. but, i would like to know, Why are you interested in what donators think of the film? Most of them private messaged me on facebook saying that they liked it. of course, i wish that would make it public...nevertheless..it makes me happy that i get positive feedback in any which way of form. Also, some of the comments and reviews have come from devientart, facebook via pm, youtube via pm and some have even emailed me their review. Now, Have you ever thought that some people may be ashamed to reveal that they like this kind of film that borders on the fetish side. Now as for people who donated the money to the project..I don't know if they came from this forum at all. I do know it has come people who follow the series on facebook, youtube, deveient art, superheroines HQ & aquafans.org and underwaterforum.net. from this forum..I'm not sure..so I don't think you'll get your answer from those who have donated to the project if those donators didn't come from this forum. Now, once again...i'm not offended by your stand of the 5th film. You disliked the most of the film..that's fine and I understand your position..but i'm always going to ask the questions..like I usually do with others and ask what was teh reason for you disliking and etc. that's what i do. that's the only way I'm able to better myself at this series.

I was one of the donators and I was a little bit disappointed with the end result. It definetly made me think. Knowing Jim, (from his posts) I know he wasn't 100% happy with the end result of this movie also. His previous movies were clearly better than this one.
But, remember many things happened during the production of this movie and, for me, it is a miracle that he movie is online. That's why I am happy.
The reason I was disappointed has been told above(man's shirt, "that" scene...etc).
It was really clear that the model who played Supergirl could easily wear something else than a man's shirt. She could have wore what she was wearing on the set and it would be definetly better. I know they were going for a business look, but a man's shirt? Come on, just a turtleneck would be fine. (Or a hoodie )
I am not going to focus on "that" scene as it was pointed out in detail above.
The most important reason was there weren't any KO scenes in it. We talked about this with Jim and he said, in the next movie there will be gassing or chloroform scenes(which there isn't, they are going to be in the movie after the upcoming one)

To sum it up, this experience taught me if you are going to donate to a superheroine in peril movie, make sure it fits your personal tastes, that way, you won't be sad with the end result.

I think I tried telling him his business model really stinks, to put it nicely.....if your project depends on public funding (aka donations) and you don't give them any idea what the movie is about or what it will contain, and /or don't give them any input on the script, what is the incentive to donate in the first place!? I read the same canned response almost every time, "the script is already done" and "no KOs in this one but there will be some in the next" . Since I've only seen two of them so far (mostly for the underwater scenes) I can't tell you if there's any kos in them or not. It's just my opinion, but his business model is painfully backwards. He should have the bones of the script ready and tell the fans (aka donators) what peril or fetish elements will be in it, tell them he will incorporate as much as he reasonably can, ask for funding, and instead of posting pics of the props, should maybe post some teaser pics of the models in their costumes....he does nothing to capture the attention of the fans and doesn't give any real incentive to donate. No wonder his projects struggle

What I wanted to add to my above post was that I'm seeing more and more producers being proactive in their content and asking the public what they would like to see in their productions; THIS is what gets my attention and money, because they obviously know the hands that feed them, so to speak. I saw a producer put something out awhile ago asking "what elements would you like to see more of" and I PMd that producer and told them what I'd like to see, and I was pleasantly surprised to get a response telling me they liked the idea and would try to incorporate it. THAT made a big impression on me, and even if they can't include my request this time around, I get the feeling that it could be used in a future release, but it was just the little thing like asking what I wanted to see and then acknowledging it. I see a female producer and star on here asking for costume ideas and story ideas all the time; that's what I like to see because it gives the fans (the paying customer) a chance to request a particular fetish element and see some fantasies being brought to life. My money goes where I feel I have a say in the final product. I have more confidence in a producer or model if I see he or she being proactive and reaching out to the fans for input, because after all, without the fans, would there be a producer? The Jimbob model is a counter productive model, in my opinion. He tells the fans there will be a part 6 or 7 and who will probably star in it but that's about it. When it comes for fan input (the funding source, the lifeblood of the project) it's usually something like "the script was already written and I can't add to it" , which doesn't seem very fair or fan friendly to me. It always feels like it's rushed off somewhere. And then there's the issue with quality control---which there basically isn't any. We all know about the 'man's shirt' situation so I'll use that as an example. There's absolutely NO reason for a female model to be wearing a man's shirt (and what looked like man's pants) in a super heroine project! No quality control whatsoever. It sounds like Jimbob is just the head cheerleader for the rest of the team, however dysfunctional it may or may not be. But like I said in my above post, there's probably a better way of doing things, like posting behind the scene production pics of the models in their costumes instead of props, and giving updates on the script instead of ATTENTION! ATTENTION! I need $900 more dollars for this project to work, etc.

Avenger, I want to commend you on your much more reasonable tone in your last two posts to this topic. You do make some valid points and you do it without being caustic.

I DO want to refute one point of yours however. I wrote Jim recently that I was disappointed in the drowning scene; the way Kaycee was just placidly floating without struggling much at all seemed unrealistic. He has stated that her next performance will be better in that regard. So yes, he HAS shown in this case a willingness to accept fan feedback.

Moreover, he has clearly admitted his own dissatisfaction with certain elements of his past films, including the infamous "man's shirt" moment. There's nothing more to be gained by beating that dead horse.

Jim, Avenger's point about the scripts always seemingly being already written with little chance of input feels valid to me, including his examples of how other producers open their "doors" to allow script ideas earlier in the process than you seem to, so that is something worth considering.

I think Jim has said the production company is in a different state to him(could be wrong) and one of the problems he has had is that they agree the script before anything happens and then it's not eligible to be altered, so he isn't in a position to release promo pics etc because the actresses largely turn up on the day and go to it. Or if there is a fitting he isn't around to take promotional shots. I haven't seen any of the films yet but my take as an outsider looking in is that Jim is aware things aren't always ideal but is trying to create something and improve with each installment under difficult circumstances. In most instances he and his partners have stumped up the bulk of the cash so it's only fair the bulk of the script is what they wish to see. I agree some fan involvement could and should be better handled, but it isn't as though Jim is a professional (as in producing for profit) producer. I don't like some of the elements of his productions but I wish him well with the creation of his vids.

RL11 wrote:I was one of the donators and I was a little bit disappointed with the end result. It definetly made me think. Knowing Jim, (from his posts) I know he wasn't 100% happy with the end result of this movie also. His previous movies were clearly better than this one.
But, remember many things happened during the production of this movie and, for me, it is a miracle that he movie is online. That's why I am happy.
The reason I was disappointed has been told above(man's shirt, "that" scene...etc).
It was really clear that the model who played Supergirl could easily wear something else than a man's shirt. She could have wore what she was wearing on the set and it would be definetly better. I know they were going for a business look, but a man's shirt? Come on, just a turtleneck would be fine. (Or a hoodie )
I am not going to focus on "that" scene as it was pointed out in detail above.
The most important reason was there weren't any KO scenes in it. We talked about this with Jim and he said, in the next movie there will be gassing or chloroform scenes(which there isn't, they are going to be in the movie after the upcoming one)

To sum it up, this experience taught me if you are going to donate to a superheroine in peril movie, make sure it fits your personal tastes, that way, you won't be sad with the end result.

I appreciate your feedback, RL11. I want to point out one thing. Now, whether its a agreeable or not, Drowning technically falls into both the knockout category and death category. Their were two scenes in the film that were Drowning KO. Now, like I said Supergirl VI (((which is later this fall or much later depending on when the Twilight Zone Supergirl film gets funded and filmed later this summer))) will have more KOs elements whether its gassing or chloroform since its the last chapter of the Marc Luthor Saga in this series. Now, I'll agree that I was disappointed in everything that took place before filming, which sadly was caused by Jac bailing out at the last minute. plus, you also have to add the fact that I wrote the entire script and put everything together under difficult circumstances due to the passing of my dad and also trying to promote Supergirl V and get the film funded under the difficult circumstances. Now, if you know me, I don't like to put a certain peril element (rule out underwater peril since the series focuses on that) in back to back films. But, in my view (totally bias most likely because i did create the film) this series has contained many KO/Death elements in the series. I'll point them out too you as best as I can.

There have been plenty of KOs in this series
Supergirl :Endurance (Supergirl gets scratched by Rogue Green lanterns kyptonite nails, "rogue" green lantern fatal drowning)
Supergirl & The Bloody Traces Of Stargirl (Agent Bennett/Stargirl drowning)
Supergirl VI: The Submerged tangled Web ( Jac punched KO, Supergirl Chloroformed by SpiderAgent 004, SpiderAgent 004 drowning/blown up death)
Supergirl V: Deadly Seduction (Supergirl drowning/KO, Agent I-270 choked underwater/drowned KO and fatal stabbing)


These are some of the elements that are featured in each film. Now, RL 11..I know that the "Man's shirt" sititation has rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way and sadly has been the main focus on topic "which shouldn't be" but once the twilight Zone Supergirl film is fully funded, i will relay the request to both MMP Studios and the actress to wear attire business like, but more female like, not only for this twilight zone Supergirl film and Supergirl VI, but future Supergirl peril films in the future. I hope I answered your question to the best of my ability. Thanks for the feedback, RL11

tallyho wrote:I think Jim has said the production company is in a different state to him(could be wrong) and one of the problems he has had is that they agree the script before anything happens and then it's not eligible to be altered, so he isn't in a position to release promo pics etc because the actresses largely turn up on the day and go to it. Or if there is a fitting he isn't around to take promotional shots. I haven't seen any of the films yet but my take as an outsider looking in is that Jim is aware things aren't always ideal but is trying to create something and improve with each installment under difficult circumstances. In most instances he and his partners have stumped up the bulk of the cash so it's only fair the bulk of the script is what they wish to see. I agree some fan involvement could and should be better handled, but it isn't as though Jim is a professional (as in producing for profit) producer. I don't like some of the elements of his productions but I wish him well with the creation of his vids.

Hello, tallyho. yes you are correct. The production company is in another state. Florida to be exact, while we are based in Brooklyn, NY. Also, You are correct that everyone agrees on the script ahead before anything happens and then it's not eligible to be altered, so I am not position to release promo pics until the green light is lit and because the actresses largely turn up on the day of filming . Now, mind you..we had no idea that Jac was gonna bail on Supergirl V at the very lat minute and at that time, the costume and the props were already at MMP earlier that month..so when Kaycee decided to step into Jac's boots as Supergirl (which was a blessing in disguise), naturally I was very worried and concern, because of the costume (worried if it would her fit, luckily it did ((tight fit))As for the script, the problem we had..which stemmed from the 3rd installment of the series was that Jac began to complain about how long the dialogue was and also was starting to say how challenging the projects were becoming. that's why a lot of elements i wanted to put in the scripts for the last 3 films had to be taken out to satisfy Jac (which now that I look back on it, it sucked to do that) The scripts for the last 3 films had to be altered for jac's liking. The Supergirl V was altered twice and still didn't satisfy her..that's why she bailed a week before filming after keep everyone hanging for about two months.

As for Kaycee, she is a totally different actress and is will to go all out which it comes to dialogue and (Clean) peril elements. If you noticed in Supergirl V, Kaycee as Supergirl is lifting the weight that is says 10,00o pounds while doing the photo shoot and is posing with it underwater as well. That wasn't in the script at all, Kaycee decided to added it herself which was cool for her to do and a big plus in the film. Jac on the other hand wouldn't most likely not do that kind of thing.

Now as for behind the scenes photos. I did posted up behind the scenes photos of the film that were courtesy of actress Linda Hines. It was the first time i was able to do that, because Ms. Hines also promoted the project on her company page as well. Well mostly do that again for Supergirl VI this fall or later. i hope I answered your question to the best of my ability, tallyho. Thanks for the feedback and support.

avenger wrote:What I wanted to add to my above post was that I'm seeing more and more producers being proactive in their content and asking the public what they would like to see in their productions; THIS is what gets my attention and money, because they obviously know the hands that feed them, so to speak. I saw a producer put something out awhile ago asking "what elements would you like to see more of" and I PMd that producer and told them what I'd like to see, and I was pleasantly surprised to get a response telling me they liked the idea and would try to incorporate it. THAT made a big impression on me, and even if they can't include my request this time around, I get the feeling that it could be used in a future release, but it was just the little thing like asking what I wanted to see and then acknowledging it. I see a female producer and star on here asking for costume ideas and story ideas all the time; that's what I like to see because it gives the fans (the paying customer) a chance to request a particular fetish element and see some fantasies being brought to life. My money goes where I feel I have a say in the final product. I have more confidence in a producer or model if I see he or she being proactive and reaching out to the fans for input, because after all, without the fans, would there be a producer? The Jimbob model is a counter productive model, in my opinion. He tells the fans there will be a part 6 or 7 and who will probably star in it but that's about it. When it comes for fan input (the funding source, the lifeblood of the project) it's usually something like "the script was already written and I can't add to it" , which doesn't seem very fair or fan friendly to me. It always feels like it's rushed off somewhere. And then there's the issue with quality control---which there basically isn't any. We all know about the 'man's shirt' situation so I'll use that as an example. There's absolutely NO reason for a female model to be wearing a man's shirt (and what looked like man's pants) in a super heroine project! No quality control whatsoever. It sounds like Jimbob is just the head cheerleader for the rest of the team, however dysfunctional it may or may not be. But like I said in my above post, there's probably a better way of doing things, like posting behind the scene production pics of the models in their costumes instead of props, and giving updates on the script instead of ATTENTION! ATTENTION! I need $900 more dollars for this project to work, etc.

Avenger, I also appreciate you for chiming in on this topic in a reasonable tone as well. To answer your question, I have asked folks for what peril elements they wanted to see in future films. When it comes to my fan film project...things happen behind the scenes that myself and the fans don't know about before filming. Supergirl V is a perfect example. When it came to casting for the part of Agent I-270, we had to go through 4 actresses, model to find the right one. What cause it, the other 3 never got back/responded to MMP. Lucky for me, I finally did find the actress to play the part. Also, Did anybody ever think that Jac would bail, not only from that film, but the entire series. She knew the the series was successful because of her and sadly took advantage of it. She asked for a raised between the range of $1,200 to $2,500 for herself alone for every time she did a Supergirl film. The reason for the raise was because of the success of the series and also the fact that the project's series has a facebook page and also, the fact that the films are funded via crowdfunding. that's why I say that she was beginning to take advantage of the series Her fee was $250 when we started this series and then it went up to $400 and then all of a sudden it shot up to over a thousand. In February, we all agreed on the fee of $1,100. After that we didn't hear from her until a week before filming and that when she bailed. That example is the main reason why i don't like to announce my project ahead of time, just in case i end up getting egg on my face. As for the relationship between us at WON and MMP Studios, there are no issues and their is very good communication between us, back in forth. We have also had communications with some of the actresses of the series as well. The only ones we haven't had personal communications with are Jac, Lauren and Angel.


Now, my business model of crowdfunding and I still consider myself a rookie when it comes to business & a counter productive model..But the way I see it..it mostly rubs people the wrong way in my view and opinion, but its the only way I know how to get fans of this series and the spin off to help fund the project. The only film I've had to paid mostly myself was Supergirl 4 and I had to take out a loan for that. My way is to continue to give updates on where we are in the planning stages aka post photos of props and costumes and promote the project as much as I can and its crowdfunding campaign and how much money we have saved in our end and how much has been donated via crowdfunding. Now, I give updates on the script on the fan film series Facebook page since it gets more feedback from fans of the series and before I write up the script for a film, i always ask what type of peril elements would you like to see. they have to be (Clean) since its a youtube non-profit fan film. Some fans of the series send their suggestions via pm or email or facebook pm and I incorporate them into the script as much as I can. now as you and many fans of this series have found out, there were limits due to Jac's so-call standards..but with kaycee..its a whole different ballgame.

As for quality of control, when it comes to filming..yes, MMP has the most control of that and But, the day before filming, I do give input of what type of shot i want for that scene and how I want the actress to play out a particular scene in the film. As for the script and dialogue, Me and partners have total control on that as well.

And when it comes to promoting the upcoming film, we do post photos of the actress in Supergirl costume, but from from past productions. Mind you, the filming of the project doesn't take place until the film is totally funded and the company and the actresses receive the funds/fee.

I hope I answered your question/feedback to the best of ability, avenger and thanks for the feedback. "All is forgiven"

You did answer a lot and it sounds like it can be more 'work' than it's worth, but that's just me. Good luck and best wishes, man.

avenger wrote:You did answer a lot and it sounds like it can be more 'work' than it's worth, but that's just me. Good luck and best wishes, man.

Thank you

Underwater content with bondage and superheroines is not so plentiful around so I think this serie is commendable even if there're some shortcomings.

arkane wrote:Underwater content with bondage and superheroines is not so plentiful around so I think this serie is commendable even if there're some shortcomings.

Thank you very much, arkane