The Ultimate Superheroines Forum

I'm seeing a big push for this online so this will be a placeholder for the comic when it comes out soon. Nadia Pym, Hank's Pym t**nage genius daughter, is the new Wasp. She grew up in Russia in some confinement called the Red Room. She's just now figuring out how to navigate the wide world (similiar story to Silk, really). So she's yet another one of these wide-eyed excited t**nage heroines to get her own book (eg Ms Marvel), to be mentored by (thankfully) mature heroines of a certain sexy nature who've also had recent titles (Capt Marvel, Mockingbird), and to represent the ongoing female empowerment agenda at Marvel (eg Kate Bishop claiming "Hawkeye", and replacing She-Hulk with just "Hulk"). Jeremy Whitely wrote Princeless (Action Lab, pretty much the opposite of a sexy comic, sorry to say!) so the writing will probably be nothing but exuberant t**nage millennial feminism. Hey, that could work if the story and art are appealing.

Guess we'll see if this is any good. Some will be familiar with Nadia for her guest appearances in All-New, All Different Avengers earlier this year (she was first introduced in a free comic book on FCBD 2016). So far, she's being drawn great and looks really cute in her costume, which isn't a whole lot different from Janet's.

From the FCBD issue. That transformation sequence is nice.






Then she met the Avengers in ANADA # 9. Apparently saved Vision in that issue.


So she's actually a member of the Avengers (new series starting this month) *and* gets her own book at the same time. They're dreaming big at Marvel I suppose.

Guess we'll see what this book is like. I've read reviews that it is "relentlessly positive" (you don't want to turn off female readers. you don't want things that happen to a t**n to be too grim, etc.). Some rumblings about female empowerment and how there are no major male characters in it, some other rumblings about too much preachy identity politics....

I don't know much about the artist Elsa Charretier, will have to look her up. She does draw kind of cartoony though. I kind of feel like I'm looking at Miraculous Ladybug.

[Note: I looked up Elsa Charretier. She has kind of a cartoonish feel to her work, more than say Amanda Conner and Emanuela Lupacchino, but there is no doubt: she can draw sexy women when she wants to. Charretier took over from Lupacchino the art on last year's 12-issue Starfire run for the last 3 issues of it, and from what I can see there was no reduction in quality - it kept on being a brightly-colored, detailed, well-drawn comic til the end. The 2nd tpb of Starfire just came out, it looks like, so I'll be dealing with that in the Starfire thread. But based on Charretier's quality work in Starfire, Harley Quinn and the third-waver agenda Bombshells, I will make an effort to check out Unstoppable Wasp and report back/]

love alan davis art!

Least sexy costume ever !

Comics have completely lost their mojo, from what I've seen. Instead of creating a fresh line of comic characters for the SJW out there (as if the older generation of comic book fans were racist misogynists?!), older fans have their superheroines sexiness and intrigue taken from them, only to be repackaged as asexually drawn bland characters. And male heroes are made less masculine in character, with some entirely altered to become female.
Can't we just have a balance? Can I please have my George Perez Wonder Woman and my Jim Lee Psylocke and my Ed Benes Supergirl and Huntress?

To be fair there maybe some kind of copyright issue in which they really can't create new characters or they are limited with comic book titles. But yes the change thing is worse than just making a new character. Or reimaging.

What I am hoping is small time publishers really become the back bone of the comic industry and the Diamond publishing empire/monopoly collapses.

The cinematic universe is Marvel's flagship these days. Bear in mind that the current movie Wasp (Hope) is almost forty and her missing mother (Janet) is presumably a similar age to Michael Douglas's Hank Pym. (Unless they explain she's aging slowly, due to her microscopic size.) Plus the current Ant-Man is in his mid forties. I strongly suspect the whole point of the new Wasp is to provide a next generation for the movie franchise to use.

The MCU has already relegated the original Hank and Janet versions of Ant-Man and the Wasp to the past. I'm pretty sure the "passing of the torch" will happen again in Phase Four.

I don't see why the cinematic universe needs to connect to the comics in any way. Is there any proof that comic sales are affected in any way other than possibly a minor blip when a movie featuring certain comic book characters come out? Why not keep the two separate? Or is the plan to have the comics appeal to a small fan base and eventually shrink down Wasp-style until the comics become just a small supplement to the movie genre?
I like the look of the WW movie, but in the comics her outfit looks terrible. Bring back the multiple star-spangled pants and the George Perez caliber art!

The comics have been sidelined for years. A comic which typically sells 50,000 units or less pales into insignificance next to a movie which will make $1 billion at the box office.

Which makes comics a low-risk environment for experimentation.

True, but in the overall profit margins, I would think movies are riskier and, when profits and losses are taken into consideration, the comics are consistent, predictable (without drastic changes), and reliable. Why risk losing that for these sudden shifts in style and content simply to conform to some odd sense of social justice (which does not allow women to be sexualized, a seeming lack of freedom...ironically) as portrayed in the movies?
I just don't get it.

Actually, I think the current Wasp's costume is pretty cute, if only it was drawn correctly with all the right curves. Mahmoud Asrar (among others) is someone who could that (given what I know of his work on Dynamo 5 for example). Or any number of artists if they were allowed. T**nagers are going to have to be allowed to grow up at some point!