What does a Trump presidency mean for this genre and community?

[batgirl1969]

All this "safety pin" talk makes me want to use safety pins all over a captive heroines body....her nipples....her lips(both pair) and anywhere else kinky I can think of....use pretty pink pins too

[tallyho]

^^^You are such a 'girly' girl lol!

[Zee]

No disrespect to almost anyone, nothing good about the result. Whatever happens depends on the agenda of the crazy Christians ( for example evangelicals, etc) and other unenlightened people who want to force their views on everyone else.

[batgirl1969]

No disrespect to almost anyone, nothing good about the result. Whatever happens depends on the agenda of the crazy Christians ( for example evangelicals, etc) and other unenlightened people who want to force their views on everyone else.

This has been weird election...and where do chics like me fir in? I am a lesbian/Bi...very conservative republican but obviously very liberal and my girlfriend is a former muslim lebanese girl...I consider myself a christian but also a magic using witch...and I am not racist because I am attracted to white black brown yellow green orange red you name it.

So i guess these christians would want to introduce the inquisition again...that could be fun for a girl like me...the rack...the iron maiden...the stocks...some whippings...

I dont think the world is going to end or people put to death over this election...everyone needs to just breathe and go on with life.

[Richpartist]

Its always the "unenlightened" and "crazy" people when its the other guy who doesnt agree with you,or trying to "force" their views on "everyone" but smart when its your guy.The level of bullshit is overwelming from some on this board,just get over it the world will go on.And if you are bitter towards Christians thats YOUR PROBLEM
Find your crying room or safety room grow up and get over it.
One more thing.................WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[batgirl1969]

Its always the "unenlightened" and "crazy" people when its the other guy who doesnt agree with you,or trying to "force" their views on "everyone" but smart when its your guy.The level of bullshit is overwelming from some on this board,just get over it the world will go on.And if you are bitter towards Christians thats YOUR PROBLEM
Find your crying room or safety room grow up and get over it.
One more thing.................WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I voted Trump....

[JC1979]

We need real heroines and heroes now to stand up to this dictator want to be.

[Mr. X]

The election is over. Do we have to keep dredging this up? Can this thread be locked? There are plenty of political forums.

[tallyho]

Its in Miscellaneous and the title tells everyone what the thread is about - just don't click on it if you don't want to read it

[Richpartist]

Actually I was mainly talking about PRIVATE zee over there
Amazing how insulting people can get when you dont agree with them.

[Zee]

Perhaps if I said it this way. I can live with Trump, we'll sort of. He was elected after all. The problem is that all religions have an element who try to force their views on others whether it be sexual orientation, abortion, cannabis, bathroom of choice,etc. This is true for Christians, Jews and Muslims. Religions are for individual spirituality and not tell us what to do.

[theScribbler]

Its always the "unenlightened" and "crazy" people when its the other guy who doesnt agree with you,or trying to "force" their views on "everyone" but smart when its your guy.The level of bullshit is overwelming from some on this board,just get over it the world will go on.And if you are bitter towards Christians thats YOUR PROBLEM
Find your crying room or safety room grow up and get over it.
One more thing.................WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Still the biggest sore winner I've ever seen. I see you've left YOUR crying room from your antics from the locked thread. "This converstations over!"

[theScribbler]

No disrespect to almost anyone, nothing good about the result. Whatever happens depends on the agenda of the crazy Christians ( for example evangelicals, etc) and other unenlightened people who want to force their views on everyone else.

No it doesn't. Whatever happens depends on the Trump administration.

[sugarcoater]

Nothing. Not a single thing will change about this genre. Nothing.
What President has really changed anything about this genre since the Internet became ubiquitous?
Now as for online gambling...

[Dazzle1]

None

He does not care about this genre and on most issues like this he supports the free market.

Stop worrying he will be an improvement over Obama, so would have been Hillary

[Femina]

Okay so we can now pretty much definitively answer this topic's title question.

What does a Trump presidency mean for this genre and community?

Apparently it means we're going to have to spend four to eight years listening to Richpartist shout "WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and dance around like a three year old flipping the bird at everyone the President elect beat in the election.

[TIEnTEEZ]

No President is ever as good as people hope or as bad as people fear.

Until now. :-P

[Bert]

I doubt if Trump will be very involved with actual governing. My guess is he'll leave that up to Pence and Bannon. Bannon will be the Machiavellian string puller, but Pence is a nutball Christian crusader who's anti-gay, anti-abortion and very likely anti-sex. This administration will jump all over any moral issue that it can use to stay on the good side of evangelicals. I don't think Americans have realized what they've done yet. They are entering a perfect storm of Trump, Republican Senate and House, soon to be Republican Supreme Court and a large majority of Republican Governors. They say you get the government you deserve. Ouch.

[Valik10]

Please do you really think any President of The United States is going to worry about fetish videos..dear Lord

[theScribbler]

Please do you really think any President of The United States is going to worry about fetish videos..dear Lord

We don't know.

Last Republican admin we had was Bush, with Ashcroft and Gonzales as AGs, and HR 2257 law that scared a number of porn producers esp with required notices to be included at start of all videos, with names and addresses. And also the potential, whenever gov agents would feel like it, show up at your door and inspect your records on talent IDs and violations if you do it wrong. And the Extreme Associates case.

HR 2257 did turn out to be more potential threat worry than implementation.

But who knows. Doesn't matter really what we think. What matters is what happens. TBD.

[Heroine Addict]

Please do you really think any President of The United States is going to worry about fetish videos..dear Lord

It's far more likely to be someone like Mike Pence or Michele Bachmann. The President is not the only person in the government.

Bachmann's history on this issue:
http://www.citypages.com/news/michele-b ... nt-6561744

Better hope Trump doesn't offer her a job.

Realistically, a ban on all forms of porn would piss off too many future voters and remove a shitload of tax revenue from the economy.

So a sacrifice of easy targets would be the obvious step to make it look like the Trump administration is tough on porn. And what could be easier than niche fetishes which sound weird and sinister to an outsider?

Hell, the moral guardians could describe your campy and harmless SHiP videos in a lurid way and make it sound like you're personally exploiting and abusing the girls in your dungeon. That's how moral panic works. That's how moral panic has always worked. Take an example that sounds really bad to a layman (and one that few people are likely to actually research) as a means to throw a few weirdos (us) under the bus and make it look like something is being done.

[shevek]

Well this has been an exceptional series of events but I thought the political threads have all been in the Misc section, where they belong and can be ignored. I didnt think there had been that many opinions expressed in other threads and if they were, most were light hearted?

The forum itself has got very political on almost every thread about contemporary mainstream culture. Supergirl, in particular.

I'd describe it as the politics of nostalgia. The basic gist is:
"Everything in the past was made of boobies, ice cream and gold. Whereas everything in the present is made of burqas, barbed wire and Ebola. [Group X] ruined all the things we liked. They're getting a sweet, sweet deal and laughing at us while we're left with scraps."

Or something.

That's because it kind of *is* that way. The whole SHIP thing is an exercise in nostalgia for certain time periods: the "good girl" Golden Age, the 60s Barbarella, the 70s Wonder Woman, the 80s Helen Slater Supergirl, the 90s "bad girl" era. Then around 2005, the paradigm shifted as a bunch of politically correct millennials came of age and took over the vocal parts of the Internet, and it's been going that way ever since. What was once mainstream is now scraps that we have to look for - brief moments of peril in a mainstream TV show, or comics from fringe indie companies.

I think very few people on here put stock in modern PC comics like Kamala Khan, Faith, Bitch Planet, Kelly DeConnick's Captain Marvel and the like. Most people on this forum want to see the sexiness continue wherever it can. But it's getting hard to so when the editors at the major companies are so PC, some writers have a transformative agenda (not just some of the female ones..there are also plenty of whiteknights who think they can score points with the 'sensitive' segment of their readership), and some artists eliminate any beautiful curves and make female characters look boyish and boring (look at the terrible part in the Rebirth's Batgirl & Birds of Prey for a good example).

It's pretty ironic - in the new issue of the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund's newsletter (which is supposed to be *against censorship*, period) they have an interview with Lumberjanes writer Noelle Stevenson, who really looks like a typical Tumblr girl (and btw, the art on Lumberjanes is fucking terrible, some of the worst I've ever seen). She talks directly about her agenda and how she hopes that people who 'don't get on board' get edged out and disappear. She simply doesn't want the Frank Chos and J Scott Campbells to even exist or get any work. I would assume that she believes it's only OK to draw cheesecake if a woman does it (so presumably she's OK with, say, Emanuela Lupacchino). I've seen similar statements from Marguerite Bennett as well (and I buy her books, such as Insexts. And Red Sonja, where she totally eliminated the chain mail bikini from the entire TPB!)

I don't think I'm paranoid for saying this. The shift is palpable. No, I don't think the Trump presidency will affect porn in the slightest. But if there's only one side benefit from the Trump zeitgeist (and believe me, I don't want any other ones, except maybe the stocks going up) which emboldens artists to not knuckle under to online SJW protests and to draw more sexily once again, I would welcome that with open arms.

[Heroine Addict]

Lumberjanes is hardly representative of the comics industry. Yet you seem to begrudge its very existence as an encroachment.

Honestly, at what point in history were you better served with sexy superheroines on movies, on TV and in comics than you are now? As you say yourself on other threads, now is the golden age for superheroines.

Nostalgia for the Helen Slater Supergirl? Well, some nostalgia for that movie certainly exists. Except the 1984 movie was a dismal failure and we never got a Supergirl II. Even the fetishists struggle to say it was a good movie in terms of anything other than a few moments of fetish.

The past was when you had mere scraps. A few seconds of bondage here, a few frames of upskirt - which you could freeze crappily on your VCR - there.

You have never had access to more lovely flesh , in either the mainstream or the porn industry. Yet you yearn for a time when you literally had to be content with a few scraps here and there.


Bear in mind I'm not talking about some wild conspiracy theory here. Trump has openly pledged that porn will be treated as a "public health" issue. While I don't realistically expect a total ban, it's a distinct possibility that a few genres will be picked off as "extreme". The notion of "protecting" the whole family could well result in all Internet porn being placed behind encryption. Even a forum like this could be forced to self-censor or become password-protected. Porn is on the radar of the new administration and something will be done about it.

But hey, if you think it's a bigger problem that Lumberjanes has precious shelf space in the comic store, that's your lookout.

[Philo Hunter]

Most people on this forum want to see the sexiness continue wherever it can.

And those of us who don't want to see it continue where it is APPROPRIATE. Which is NOT everywhere.

And to echo what Heroine Addict said: This golden age your talking about was just scraps. You can find ten times as more in current comics (as well as ten times as more comics that don't cater to sexiness) AND you have the flood of outright porn like you find video producers like those on here making.

The whole SHIP thing is an exercise in nostalgia for certain time periods: the "good girl" Golden Age, the 60s Barbarella, the 70s Wonder Woman, the 80s Helen Slater Supergirl, the 90s "bad girl" era.

And no, the WHOLE SHIP "thing" isn't the ONE view of it that you seem to have. I didn't grow up watching those shows you listed and I have no sexual/fetish attachment to them or the characters in them. I'm young enough that I started consuming the second or third generation of SHIP porn that evolved from those that used those mainstream shows as their main fetish material. As such I've never had to go to mainstream shows for fetish material, the internet has alawys been full of sexually explicit comics and videos for me. I've always found the communities fixation with Wonder-woman, especially the old TV show version of her, boring a terribly creative. And those of us who think this way, who like seeing new/original characters or just not the same handful of DC characters used over and over and over again, might be a minority but we are a growing one.

What you are probably right about is that we are millennials and that our numbers are growing, where as the old guard are aging and most likely fading away more and more each year.

and btw, the art on Lumberjanes is fucking terrible, some of the worst I've ever seen

Also, because apparently this needs to be said: art is subject. Your opinion of which art is "good" is only an opinion. There are plenty who love the art in that comic. It is not "terrible" it just isn't "normal" comic book art, and certainly not superhero art. Which is appropriate because that isn't the kind of book that it is and it isn't targeted at those kind of readers. It's not an art style that could easily, if ever, convey "sexy" which is fine as it's not a STORY that's looking to convey those things.

[Heroine Addict]

I'm scratching my head wondering how it's in any way remarkable to shevek that there are comics about subjects other than superhero/ines that have stylized cartoony artwork? What exactly is the problem with Lumberjanes? It seems very odd to keep ranting about something that has little connection to this genre.

[shevek]

I think you are confusing several different kinds of media. What I've said were three new Golden Ages. The first one is the Golden Age of SHIP videos. The second Golden Age is the one of superheroes on TV and in movies. The third Golden Age is that of comics.

I don't have a problem with Lumberjanes existing. These days any savvy comic book store located near a university or a hipster neighborhood (such as the one I shop at) is going to have an LGBT shelf. I occasionally pick from that shelf myself: a Batwoman here and an Alters there. I support same-sex marriage and LGBT rights, and of course I support the right for anyone to make any kind of comicbook they want.

But I guess you could say I was "triggered" by the interview with Noelle Stevenson in the CBDF newsletter. Books like Lumberjanes or Bitch Planet or Insexts (which *does* have amazing art and hot-as-fuck lesbian love stories) get a ton of positive critical attention for diversity and correct utopianist thought. But what's ironic is that the writers creating these books would like to see other kinds of comicbook approaches (namely the one involving sexy portrayal of women for a primarily male gaze) become extinct.

So when Lumberjanes get featured on the cover of a newsletter against censorship as some kind of epitome of free speech and creativity, yet its creator actually *advocates* censorship (via the phasing out of certain artistic/thematic approaches), that's a problem for me. Essentially, I disagree with the opinion of its creator regarding her vision of how she wants the comicbook industry to look within a few years.

You say that a book like Lumberjanes has "little connection" to the superhero genre. It actually has a big connection, indirectly, because it indicates the kind of "ideal" that its creator advocates, and Stevenson has plenty of connections to the hero genre. Her super-acclaimed Nimona series is a fantasy-warrior comic (same stylized art) remade in the ultra-PC image. And when she has dipped into writing for Marvel, she's been very specific in her efforts: 1) female Thor and 2) Runaways. Using Runaways as an example, it reflects all the paradigm shifts that millennial Tumblrists seem hellbound to inject into the comics realm:

"The series does not use concepts of regular superhero behavior, such as aliases, uniforms, and team names. Unlike many other super hero teams, the Runaways have more females than males. At one point, there was only one male on the team with four females, prompting other groups to refer to him as "the girls' getaway man". At another point, the team has two males, four females, one gender shifter and a female dinosaur. Early in the series, Molly is the only character who makes a costume but creates it from old bed sheets and clothes, not the traditional uniform of superhero costumes; she never wears the costume again. During battle, the Runaways mainly fight in their street clothes and call each other by their given names. The children almost never refer to themselves as "the Runaways" as the series' title might suggest; their team simply goes unnamed."

And no, Philo, I don't think there are "ten times" as many "sexy" comics as there used to be...the proportion of PC stuff is growing and growing, while the proportion of the sexy stuff is dwindling. If that's a factor of millennial preferences, well I feel sorry for them (I'm an X-er myself, and I represent the period when "political correctness" started to be a catchphrase).

BTW, Philo, maybe I misspoke when I said the "whole" SHIP thing was based on nostalgia but a good amount of it is, as you say so yourself. I've been into SHIP since about 1999 so I definitely encountered the "first" generation of it and was inspired by that as much (or more) than I was by scraps of comics (I never owned a VCR) from previous decades. And I, too, agree with you that I would much rather see original characters in SHIP videos. We're on the same page in a lot of ways I think.

Sorry I got so far off the Trump topic, but with Trump & porn, there seems to be little to do right now other than wait and see.

[shevek]

I also wanted to address the religion topic that was brought up vis-a-vis Trump.

I work for a religious organization, a fairly liberal one. My job is to advocate their specific Kum-Ba-Ya ideology, even though I personally don't believe in some elements of it like the insistent belief in some kind of personal God (I'm actually a Hard Atheist). From my experience with this organization, and dealing with other religious organizations, I can say that there's a big difference between personal spirituality and the trappings of any organized religion. The dogma is always there, and if you fall outside of it for whatever reason, you are regarded askance.

With both houses and the White House now under Republicans, I can definitely see the fear being valid that evangelical Christians will stretch their moralistic muscles. On the other hand, I wouldn't panic just yet. For example, Trump has stated that same-sex marriage is settled national law. So we'll just have to wait and see. There are many things for which third-wave Tumblrists are useless and annoying, yet if a woman's right to safe and legal abortion is threatened, I will be protesting alongside the pink-haired bespectacled pansexual otherkin, even if we don't agree on sexy boobie comics.

I love Batgirl1969's dark sense of humor: nobody (least of all Monty Python) expects the Spanish Inquisition.
And as an ethnic Jew, I can joke about one of the bleakest periods in my people's history, especially since it led to the (ahem) "discovery" of the New World which allows us to now have our SHIP porn.

[TIEnTEEZ]

Please do you really think any President of The United States is going to worry about fetish videos..dear Lord

I'm guessing that this is either sarcasm, or you are too young to remember a time when this actually happened.

[Femina]

Eh, I don't see 'Lumberjanes' or her sister comic Nimona as a 'comicbook' problem. I see it as theoretically a 'declining standards of hand drawn art' problem. This isn't happening just in outer rim comic books, it's happening in MAINSTREAM cartoons on the primary cartoon channels. The BEST kids shows are now thematically more impressive than ever, and artistically bland. Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Powerpuff Girls etc. My little sister LOVES these shows. Does that mean there is something wrong with her? No, of course not! Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon have been cost cutting in animation so long that the days of impressive animation are all but dead (I figure 'The Legend of Korra' just about signaled the end of great hand drawn animation in anything but a trivial or academic sense... at least in America)

It's just that you can't really blame anything for that except 'cost cutting' either for the producers or the animators or both. Cost cutting exists across the board, in every facet of money making. The art styles were changed because it was cheaper to animate and almost certainly had no sexual (Or even really 'visual') consideration. Now a generation of people grew up watching these shows and so their art styles branch off what they've seen.

I mean yeah, I guess you could say 'they ruined it for the old generation' (Though we've really got no one to blaime for it but OUR generation for cost cutting in the first place) if you wanted to take an incredibly pessimistic worldview, but this hasn't ever really bled into mainstream superhero comic books in any 'big' way as of yet.

Perhaps most importantly, as we age we become less important, biologically and yes even socially. As we inch ever nearer to that inky blackness of death, we must inevitably step aside so that younger brighter (FAR MORE optimistic) souls can pave the way for the future in whatever way they deem necessary and appropriate, and we just have to hope we taught them well enough to get along. This is really not much different than when our dads used to yell at us for 'that racket' we listened to on the radio and how in his day it was this or that while we simply gaped and shook our heads wondering how in the world it was that he just 'didn't get it.'

[shevek]

Femina - Man you are right about Korra almost signaling the end of an era - what a wondrous epic that was, even if also was one of the things that kicked off PC-ness. I'm not sure that every cartoon, though, is totally terrible-looking: Miraculous Ladybug, for one, has an incredibly detailed style that literally makes the city of Paris into one of the main characters of the series.

Art certainly isn't dead, especially in comic books. In fact it's the golden age of sophsticated comic book art, which is why shitty art seems so glaringly lazy nowadays. To contrast entirely with the annoying angularity of
the likes of Lumberjanes or the simple blocky style of say, Bandette or Secret Life of Miranda Turner, or the Steven Universe ripoff style of Jonesy.... there are comics where *every fucking page looks like a gorgeous painting*. I'm just now reading Low, and Greg Tocchini's art is so good it's almost dreamlike, so European-esque like a cross between what you used to see in Heavy Metal Magazine (eg Moebius), pinup artists like Milo Manara, and intense abstract mangas. I've also recommended Emanuella Lupacchino as one of the greatest new "realistic" artists - she can draw incredibly sexy female figures as well as Frank Cho, and her backgrounds are gorgeously detailed as well. The artist for Monstress, Sana Takeda, is pretty amazing too, imbuing her panels with a fantasy element. i could go on and on.

[Femina]

Femina - Man you are right about Korra almost signaling the end of an era - what a wondrous epic that was, even if also was one of the things that kicked off PC-ness. I'm not sure that every cartoon, though, is totally terrible-looking: Miraculous Ladybug, for one, has an incredibly detailed style that literally makes the city of Paris into one of the main characters of the series.

Art certainly isn't dead, especially in comic books. In fact it's the golden age of sophsticated comic book art, which is why shitty art seems so glaringly lazy nowadays. To contrast entirely with the annoying angularity of
the likes of Lumberjanes or the simple blocky style of say, Bandette or Secret Life of Miranda Turner, or the Steven Universe ripoff style of Jonesy.... there are comics where *every fucking page looks like a gorgeous painting*. I'm just now reading Low, and Greg Tocchini's art is so good it's almost dreamlike, so European-esque like a cross between what you used to see in Heavy Metal Magazine (eg Moebius), pinup artists like Milo Manara, and intense abstract mangas. I've also recommended Emanuella Lupacchino as one of the greatest new "realistic" artists - she can draw incredibly sexy female figures as well as Frank Cho, and her backgrounds are gorgeously detailed as well. The artist for Monstress, Sana Takeda, is pretty amazing too, imbuing her panels with a fantasy element. i could go on and on.

CG toons are not part of the decline. CG is on the rise, skill is increasing in that medium, whereas the rise in popularity of CG is assisting in the quiet death of hand drawn animation.

[cdrei]

The nominee for Attorney General apparently made some statements during congressional hearings yesterday, suggesting that he would make cracking down on internet porn a priority. It sounds like anything relating to bondage or BDSM would be specially targeted. Given that the SHIB/SHID genre touches significantly on those themes, it seems like something a community like this should perhaps be concerned about.

I know political debate, being as divisive as it is, is not really encouraged here nowadays, but is this a topic we should at least track as it develops? Ideally without arguing about the politics behind it. Both the Left and Right have factions that target porn, and right now one of those sides has the power to force the issue.

Seems like we as a community might want to know what's happening, if and when anything develops.

[batgirl1969]

I used the women's march yesterday to my own advantage...yes in D.C. ...took the train for the day...got in the thick of the parades and played the liberal leabian card to my advantage... made some new friends that I am introducing to lesbian superheroine bondage...damn they make it too easy...seriously...these chics where there to empower women...but along comes me..a secret lezdom woman and they just freely allow themselves to become my plaything...wth?? Am i missing something here? Or is just the fact that its girl on girl?

[Heroine Addict]

The nominee for Attorney General apparently made some statements during congressional hearings yesterday, suggesting that he would make cracking down on internet porn a priority. It sounds like anything relating to bondage or BDSM would be specially targeted. Given that the SHIB/SHID genre touches significantly on those themes, it seems like something a community like this should perhaps be concerned about.

I know political debate, being as divisive as it is, is not really encouraged here nowadays, but is this a topic we should at least track as it develops? Ideally without arguing about the politics behind it. Both the Left and Right have factions that target porn, and right now one of those sides has the power to force the issue.

Seems like we as a community might want to know what's happening, if and when anything develops.

It seems Sessions' plan is to enforce old obscenity laws that have never been repealed. Meaning that most of the SH Peril genre could easily be deemed 'obscene' using archaic laws that belong in another age.

[Mr. X]

It seems Sessions' plan is to enforce old obscenity laws that have never been repealed. Meaning that most of the SH Peril genre could easily be deemed 'obscene' using archaic laws that belong in another age.

Both left and right do this. SJWs would gladly shut this genre down for "objectifying women" and burn us evil cis-males at the stake. Left boot or right boot....

[Heroine Addict]

Whether or not Hillary Clinton would have targeted porn is moot now. History tells us that Obama pretty much left the industry alone for eight years. We also know that the Obscenity Prosecution Taskforce was disbanded on Obama's watch. Jeff Sessions claims he will bring it back.

Bear in mind that using existing obscenity laws means that years of content can be prosecuted. Not just banned, but prosecuted. If a court deems Ms Americana to be "obscene", you could be thrown in jail.

[cdrei]

It seems Sessions' plan is to enforce old obscenity laws that have never been repealed. Meaning that most of the SH Peril genre could easily be deemed 'obscene' using archaic laws that belong in another age.

Both left and right do this. SJWs would gladly shut this genre down for "objectifying women" and burn us evil cis-males at the stake. Left boot or right boot....

There are factions on both sides of the political divide that target porn, it's true. The side that won the election has been sending strong signals that there will be some kind of active crackdown, and has real power now. The other side is just full of hot air, by comparison. The boot on the right foot is ready to start kicking us. The left foot has currently lost its boot and is not really in proper kicking form, at the moment.

Sort of seems like folks like us should be tracking developments, in the current environment.

[Mr. X]

I actually think the other side is far more of a problem. We wouldn't have an SJW problem if they were just full of hot air. How many games and comic books get effected by their virtue signalling.

Porn is used as an easy villain to use the gov against so its an easy way for gov to justify itself. Both extremes do this. Porn is just the victim in either way.

[Heroine Addict]

The bottom line is that one party poses a clear and present threat to the porn industry right now. This discussion isn't even about the merits of the parties; it's about what the actual US government is going to do.

The previous administration did not see prosecuting "obscenity" in adult porn as a priority. The current administration, however, has openly stated an intention to go after porn.

The "SJWs" who effect the content of games and comic books are not in government. Those are commercial and creative decisions, not state censorship. Although, if you don't like what these people are producing, you can still vote with your wallet.