Ten years ago, around the time the superhero blockbuster trend began (2001-2006) there was a consistent series of movies about younger superheroes with a surprisingly cool emphasis on gender equality (i.e. about an equal amount of male and female leads among the characters). There may be others I'm forgetting but I specifically remember the Spy K*ds movies, Zoom, Sky High, and Sharkboy & Lavagirl.
Wonder (Zoom) played by Kate Mara, who later was Invisible Woman
Layla Williams (Sky High) played by Danielle Panabaker who now plays Killer Frost!
Gwen Grayson/Royal Pain (Sky High) played by the ever lustrous Mary Elizabeth Winstead!
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Taylor Dooley now (who was Lavagirl in SB & LG)
Sasha Pieterse now (who was Ice Princess in SB & LG)
Kate Mara now
Ryan Newman now (who was Princess Cindy in Zoom)
Danielle Panabaker now
Mary Elizabeth Winstead now
Alexa Vega now (who was Carmen in Spy K*ds)
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Also....Sharkboy and Lavagirl grownup cosplay
Jetstream from Sky High
Grown up Carmen Cortez in the fourth Spy K*ds film which also has Jessica Alba in a catsuit
2000s superheroine movies: a "where are they now"?
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None of those characters will enter the public domain for many years yet. Parody and fair use would apply in the same way they do for any other superheroine. However, public awareness of and nostalgia for these characters will be limited. So they would be harder to market than the standard DC and Marvel heroines.
The thing about parody is that it exists in relation to the original. For example, the Jim Weathers Batgirl videos starring Angela Sommers depend on our awareness of the Yvonne Craig's Batgirl from the Batman TV series. It's an exaggerated sexed-up version of something we already know.
If someone were to parody these characters, however, the people who still remember them only ever knew them as kids. So we'd be watching the sexed-up adult versions while thinking about the originals as children. Which would be awkward. Very, very awkward.
You would be better off just creating new adult characters who you own completely and don't come with the awkward baggage.
The thing about parody is that it exists in relation to the original. For example, the Jim Weathers Batgirl videos starring Angela Sommers depend on our awareness of the Yvonne Craig's Batgirl from the Batman TV series. It's an exaggerated sexed-up version of something we already know.
If someone were to parody these characters, however, the people who still remember them only ever knew them as kids. So we'd be watching the sexed-up adult versions while thinking about the originals as children. Which would be awkward. Very, very awkward.
You would be better off just creating new adult characters who you own completely and don't come with the awkward baggage.
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Just demonstrating how cool these girls look all grown up now, and leave it at that.
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Too icky for me. Much as I enjoy adults dressed in fetishy school uniforms and similar cosplay, I would personally find it a real cock-drooper to be constantly reminded of an actual specific child while viewing an adult in a sexual way.
There may not be anything illegal about it, but it is wandering into creepy Woody Allen territory.
There may not be anything illegal about it, but it is wandering into creepy Woody Allen territory.
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It's kinda weird for me because in my head they will be children until they establish an equal counter as an adult. great example would be alyssa milano. I first saw her as Sam on "Who's the boss" Seeing her as an adult in a sexualized way would be weird because i will always associate her as a child, but because she reached greater fame as an adult witch on "Charmed" I can easily see her currently as a sexual identity. she no longer is the child, but the woman.
Seeing sexualized version of child hero would hold a similar issue.....but thats just me.
Seeing sexualized version of child hero would hold a similar issue.....but thats just me.
Not wanting to trespass any boundaries. Kind of an interesting topic if you ask me, though.
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As Knights said, the issue is that there's no adult frame of reference. So the inference would be that the audience always wanted her, but had to wait a while until she became legal.
With Wonder Woman or Batgirl, we're just getting a version that plays on our existing fantasies. When I saw Lynda Carter chained down with her legs spread apart in "The Murderous Missile", I was explicitly imagining a more erotic scenario in which Wonder Woman's tights are ripped open. And various producers have delivered a real version of that.
For your idea to work, someone would have had to have been having those fantasies during Spy Kids.
As for Lolita, film adaptations have had to tread very carefully with the source material. Kubrick even aged her up to 16. You won't find any reputable adult film producer tackling an adaptation of that book. Even an adult sequel would only work on the basis that she was the viewer's sexual desire when she was underage.
With Wonder Woman or Batgirl, we're just getting a version that plays on our existing fantasies. When I saw Lynda Carter chained down with her legs spread apart in "The Murderous Missile", I was explicitly imagining a more erotic scenario in which Wonder Woman's tights are ripped open. And various producers have delivered a real version of that.
For your idea to work, someone would have had to have been having those fantasies during Spy Kids.
As for Lolita, film adaptations have had to tread very carefully with the source material. Kubrick even aged her up to 16. You won't find any reputable adult film producer tackling an adaptation of that book. Even an adult sequel would only work on the basis that she was the viewer's sexual desire when she was underage.
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Going back another decade or so, it's not exactly superheroine related but I think the one that everyone from our generation remembers the most is Winnie. We all had a crush on her while empathizing with the bumbling plight of Fred Savage's character, and now we all think she's gorgeous.
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Except you're conflating the grown-up actress with a porn version of the character she once played. Looking at a modern pic of a hot adult is quite different to wanting a porn actress to recreate a character who was only ever shown as a child.
If somebody were to make "Lavagirl - All Grown Up XXX", then our only frame of reference would be a movie in which Lavagirl was a kid. Which would be weird. Taylor Dooley was 11 or 12 when she shot that movie. Who would want to be reminded of a flat-chested kid while watching porn?
In live action, I don't recall Robin or Wonder Girl's ages being specified on TV. But they were both played by twentysomething adults and implied to be in their late teens (or the Amazonian equivalent in Wonder Girl's case). Dyna Girl was also old enough to have a media job. What you're suggesting - pornographic grown-up versions of child characters - simply doesn't happen.
If somebody were to make "Lavagirl - All Grown Up XXX", then our only frame of reference would be a movie in which Lavagirl was a kid. Which would be weird. Taylor Dooley was 11 or 12 when she shot that movie. Who would want to be reminded of a flat-chested kid while watching porn?
In live action, I don't recall Robin or Wonder Girl's ages being specified on TV. But they were both played by twentysomething adults and implied to be in their late teens (or the Amazonian equivalent in Wonder Girl's case). Dyna Girl was also old enough to have a media job. What you're suggesting - pornographic grown-up versions of child characters - simply doesn't happen.
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Im not comfortable with even mentioning the word kids in a thread. I'm sorry. If you want to post pictures of grown up women in costumes, that's obviously fine. Sorry but this thread needs to be locked before it goes somewhere we don't want it to go. I've already received some complaints against it.
In our world the word "kid" should NEVER be used.
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I've opened this thread back up after talking with vadimfv who has agreed to remove the child/kid references.
The difference being that Burt Ward was an adult playing him....Visitor wrote:In the Batman TV series, Robin was in high school and didn't get his driver's license until the late second season or early third season. So that makes him starting about age 15 and ending the series at maybe 17.