Anyone else getting Logan's "last chance" emails?

[Bert]

From March 22, 2016 (or thereabouts) on another forum, I wrote:

"My prediction? He’ll wear out his welcome in movie making circles very quickly, and in a year or two a new HIP producer will debut. He’ll try to hide the fact that it’s him, but we’ll know."

It's quite embarrassing to have been so wildly off-base. It only took six months.

[Heroine Addict]

Apart from the emails posted on this thread, is Logan (or his "shy" Catfish alter-ego) promoting the new stuff anywhere? It seems like a weird way to market new material, communicating exclusively with past customers who have grown weary of months of "final" offers and other outright lies.

[Disciple]

Holy crap, how'd this thread balloon to four pages?

[Mr. X]

Holy crap, how'd this thread balloon to four pages?

Yeah I guess we're old ladies

[Heroine Addict]

I guess there is some irony in that this thread appears to be the only exposure that Dragon Lady (verified as an 'astonishingly excellent' female by Dr Harold Bornstein) is getting at the moment.

Let's face it, after flouncing away from here and HM, Logan has faded into obscurity in the genre. A bygone shyster whose fantastical fibs are spoken of hushed tones.

Edit: Was the post by "The Truth" up there earlier? Either I missed it or it was awaiting moderation as a new member. Either way, he posts among us once again. Looks like he was getting frustrated in obscurity.

[MightyHypnotic]

Holy crap, how'd this thread balloon to four pages?

I't's about to get a whole lot longer

[Heroine Addict]

Let's all go to the lobby...

[MightyHypnotic]

I guess there is some irony in that this thread appears to be the only exposure that Dragon Lady (verified as an 'astonishingly excellent' female by Dr Harold Bornstein) is getting at the moment.

Let's face it, after flouncing away from here and HM, Logan has faded into obscurity in the genre. A bygone shyster whose fantastical fibs are spoken of hushed tones.

Edit: Was the post by "The Truth" up there earlier? Either I missed it or it was awaiting moderation as a new member. Either way, he posts among us once again. Looks like he was getting frustrated in obscurity.

I just approved it now...

[Blue-Scion]

Logan aka Dragon Lady aka The Truth just posted a novel. Cant wait to read.

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[Mr. X]

Never EVER date the models. EVER! Don't hit on them. Don't ogle them. Don't flirt. Don't hook up. Turn the knob down to zero. Candy store owners should never eat their own candy. No matter how much the model slathers on the chocolate syrup do NOT eat the sundae.

[Blue-Scion]

Okay, My thoughts on the Logans post.

I think everyone, including me on my last post, has gotten carried away. Lets face it, the guy didnt need to come back and air out all his dirty laundry. I think it sucks to have to explain and defend your personal life to people on a fetish forum. Fact is none of us were there to know the circumstances for sure. I think his statement was very detailed and i cant think of him having anything to gain by writing 8-10 paragraphs addressing people on a forum he did not have to come back to. I feel a bit ashamed that I was influenced so easily by popular opinion and didnt stick to my own objective view on everything.

Also about the Dragon Lady. Although it was a very funny meme and idea to say that it was Logan in disguise, I think we failed to think about the possibility that it was in fact a person and someone who just wanted to produce in the genre and is claiming to be one of "us" so to speak. I apologize if I have offended her in anyway. If, in fact , what Logan said about her not joining the forum in fear of others is true, then that is really upsetting. Thats not what this forum should be about. I think getting carried away in attack threads like this, whether your right or wrong, may not be the best thing for the community. Maybe Mister Hypnotic should shut this down.

Now about kristina calling us "mouth breathing losers in their moms basement" I hope this is not true if it is then i guess she may be the type of person Logan is describing her to be. Unfortunately there are those of my gender who think looks give them the right to look down on others. They are not intelligent and give women a bad name.

In conclusion, I don't know if Logan is innocent or not but he does make a compelling argument. Hes not perfect but he at least admits to it. Im not saying this to choose a side but simply to make the point that non of us are but that doesn't mean we should witch hunt anyone or bash them based on unconfirmed information. This isn't the place for that. I'm not blaming anyone who has but I urge all of us to maybe decide whether this is appropriate for the forum or not. I am simply one and that kind of decision is for the many to decide.

Anyway ill stop rambling.

[Elseph]

To be fair Logan makes some interesting points. I don't like the guy, but I liked the videos he made and believe he worked hard on them. I don't believe everything he says above, but some of it does make a lot of sense.

I still don't like the false closing down stuff. I REALLY don't like that he created urgency in loyal customers by saying videos would no longer be available, or would only be available one final time through his Kickstarter $### bundle deals, but has since made those videos available again. Even if he simply changed his mind, this should have been communicated and customers informed the site was no longer closing down.

I don't like Kristina either. The Chained pilot was awful and she comes across at least equally seedy as Logan in her efforts to entice donators. She also comes across untrustworthy in her videos, promises and posts regarding Omni + Chained. They both like to dodge questions and make vague excuses when they don't want to give a straight answer.

It's probably unfair that Kristina is treated like a saint by certain members, when the same members have constantly slated Logan for years. Not that its undeserved, but there are a couple repeat posters here who have evidently made their hostility towards Logan very personal for whatever reason.

In the end I don't care who makes the videos, but if the new Dragon Lady stuff is good then I will buy it. The same goes for Chained and Nightshadow, but with those, I doubt either will be up to the promised standards and it's taken so long between updates that I've simply lost interest.

[YetiTaz]

Oh dear God!

I haven't seen this much drama since I deleted Facebook.

[thrifty]

here we go again, the fraud

[thrifty]

They are making a product. Its there. You can purchase it. No fraud there so take that as you wish.

If any of the money, no matter how small the amount, that paid for making this product (video) came from the NIghtshadow costume & props Kickstarter ("we need to raise immediate funds for the cost of the primary costumes, weapons, and props for the [Nightshadow] film."), it is, indeed, part of the fraud.

If not, then of course you're right, but he still committed fraud with the Nightshadow costume Kickstarter.

Some actresses stopped working with him because he wouldn't stop hitting on them. They posted those comments themselves on another forum, but the threads have all been deleted now. In one memorable exchange, Logan questioned the character of an actress/coworker for palling around with another actress after she'd slept with a guy while girl number one was dating him. The thing is, Logan was the guy! Total piece of shit.

While many threads were deleted, the 'hitting on actresses' thread is still on the web!

http://web.archive.org/web/201604122256 ... e-legends/

Not on original site, but the web archive site.

Maybe the 'memorable exchange' is there too. Don't know. A number of similar comments nonetheless, including from various former of his actresses. Like this one...

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Original article page published March 22 2016, and far more interesting comments in comments section on various days that followed. More recent comments with replies on top (April 12 2016 when archive saved) with prior comments down the page. Happy reading!

Logan comments there are so Trumpian!

"Sorry.

This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine."

Ah, I was late. TheFraud is removing evidence again?

[Heroine Addict]

I'm sure this 9,601-word masterpiece (as of the 20th edit) will spark lots of lively discussion. The outing of an identifiable actress's (alleged) mental health issues was particularly tacky. Even if we take you at your word that she is bi-polar, why would you discuss her condition in such a tawdry way? The "#diversity" stuff doesn't stretch to anyone you want to stigmatize, it would seem. And that's before we start on the borderline homophobic "comedy" in your latest movie trailer.

This is the part that stands out to me, though, as it targets this community:

A quick side note: she (The Dragon Lady) has never commented on these forums because of certain users. Some of you are extremely distasteful with your comments in regards to women in general-- and I know there are quite a few female viewers. More than you would think-- they buy from my site and the percentage of viewership is surprisingly high for what it is. Others here take every chance to bring someone down. I'm not sure if you have issues in your personal life or it makes you feel better as a person somehow, but it's rude and disrespectful to everyone else here. It's supposed to be a community where people feel welcome and there are a few of you who ensure it's a hostile playground for you to cause chaos.

Can you cite specific instances of this happening on this site? I've never seen anyone direct sexist/misogynistic abuse at a female forum member. The female producers in particular (such as Cali, Christina, Kenna, Kendra and Anastasia) are treated with the utmost respect. If Multiple Miggs really is here, hissing "I can smell your cunt!" at the ladies, he is very well hidden. Perhaps all the creepy stuff happens in PM? Or perhaps you're just making shit up?

Sure, there are some ideological discussions in which a few guys talk about feminist "SJWs" and the perception that women are getting a better deal than men from modern media. (A perception I personally think is flawed.) However, I've never seen any poster being openly hostile to a female member on here.

In the absence of actual evidence, are you just looking at some of the peril scenarios guys post on here and concluding (probably erroneously) that they have problems with women? Seeing as you're someone who was making and appearing in violent rape porn up until last year, you probably shouldn't be too judgmental about that.

[theScribbler]

edit: removed quoted text I no longer need to refer to.

[theScribbler]

Edit: deleted. this became irrelevant.

[Heroine Addict]

Bye, Logan. Good luck with the $100,000,000 blockbuster. It was nice of you to pop by and tell us you don't care what we think in 9,601 words.

[theScribbler]

Well, at this point, I've said what I wanted to say. Having TheTruth out certainly does feel liberating-- getting this crap off your chest to move on was therapeutic. I won't contribute to this thread anymore-- because with certain people on here, I know exactly where it will lead. Take from it what you will-- and I'm sure my former partner will have her lying input rebuttal. Either way, at least I've addressed the lying and you can make a true educated opinion hearing both sides of the story. Have a great evening.

Awesomely amusing seeing you label your lies as the truth.

You haven't addressed the lying, you are TheLying.

Always have been, always will be.

P.S. Don't know what drugs you were on when you wrote your gigantic post, but I'm sure your Nightshadow kickstarter fraud scam likely helped pay for it!

[Mr. X]

I'll tell you the real problem with this whole genre. Not enough exploding midgets!

[theScribbler]

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[DrDominator9]

I'll tell you the real problem with this whole genre. Not enough exploding midgets!

Hey, man! Midget is a derogatory and demeaning term and you should be ashamed of yourself. I'm sure you meant to say there aren't enough exploding dwarfs or exploding little people. Show some %&#@ class, dude!!

[Mr. X]

I'll tell you the real problem with this whole genre. Not enough exploding midgets!

Hey, man! Midget is a derogatory and demeaning term and you should be ashamed of yourself. I'm sure you meant to say there aren't enough exploding dwarfs or exploding little people. Show some %&#@ class, dude!!

Sigh... yes I am a cis-height shitlord.

[Bert]

@Blue-Scion - You've seen some sniping about Logan here, and now his, um, non-brief response. What you haven't seen is the years of lies and self-aggrandizing posts he's had deleted from another forum. I read his rambling novella just now. I don't doubt that some of it is true, or truish. I also know that some of it is lies. There is no way I'm going to deconstruct it, there's too much and I don't care enough. You should just understand that those of us who don't believe what Logan says have arrived at that position through years of interactions with him. Maybe give his manifesto another read, and notice that he is incapable of admitting ever making a mistake, except for being too loyal to his evil ex-girlfriend/business partner. Even when he admits errors, it's to make himself look better.

I don't know you, and I don't care if you become a fan of Logan's or not, but you should know that his lengthy response should not be taken as the definitive version of events. Remember, he's been sending out weekly messages for six months now saying his site is about to close and to buy the videos before they disappear forever. He ran a Kickstarter campaign to raise money for costumes for a movie that supposedly was being financed by large investors. The website for this movie hasn't been updated for months, and now his team is back making HIP movies after saying he was done with it and on to bigger things. Neither of the two movies he's made have shown up in theaters, Netflix or anywhere else. He posted bogus numbers for how much those movies cost to produce as proof of his ability to woo investors, but now admits that they were shot for no money with everyone volunteering their time, and the money numbers were made up. Be careful what you believe from this guy.

[theScribbler]

As we feel the need to update the public, we will. I guarantee you don't know everything happening over at Fox or Sony. It's not for the public to know. That doesn't mean things are or are not being done-- it means you will be notified when they (I) feel there's something you should know about.

This one's easy.

I guarantee you, Logan Cross, you don't know ANYTHING happening over at FOX or Sony. You have nothing going on at FOX or Sony. No one important at FOX or Sony has ever heard of you.

Nothing is "being done" at FOX or Sony that has anything to do with you. There's nothing at FOX or Sony regarding you that anyone could be 'notified' about. Zilch.

[OmniRisingProductions]

Thank you to those of you who brought this to my attention - although I honestly don't even care to know about it anymore.
I never bother doing the attacking because I've moved on with my life and don't feel the need to try to make up a sad story when the world finally sees me for what I am I don't even speak of him and yet somehow I'm thrown into every place of blame possible.
Didn't even read the whole story he created, but 95% is just that, a great, lengthy story told by a psychotic storyteller (I'll give him the cheating on me story as true - he likes to think it bothers me and Tiffany). I got upset at first because when you see just complete and blatant lies it irritates you, but then I realize, I don't care. But I said Chained was going to Fox or a network?? Lol. Nope. Always said I'm aiming for YouTube, Hulu or Netflix - as reaches (I know what's realistic) BUT I'm upset that Lindsay and other actresses' embellished upon dirty laundry was thrown in public - not cool. There's a reason it's almost 90% new lineup of people on board - that should say something. Stay focused on who you're mad at because they left you and moved on to be happy and leave everyone else OUT of it. I don't even care that you tried your best to make me sound like a monster. People who know me and have dealt with me can make their own call which Is what they did with you.
I'm on here to converse with the community to create and stay on topic and make great episodes with Coco and the UltimateSuperheroine team as well as others! Coco herself can even tell you that's a complete lie with regard my involvement in her company (we had 1 meeting as I mentioned and they are bringing me on board after they release the first 2 episodes they did on their own- which I mentioned in my last post on MY thread)
At this point, I think everyone's tired of the high school drama. I know I am. Seriously- It's exhausting and I'd like to move on with my life. Do you and I'll do me. Not sure why trying to ruin other people's lives is so important to you when they have done nothing to you. Leave me out of your rants.

Oh and 1 last thing - you're attacking the community for said sexist remarks, yet I have "huge tits" and am going to "get married and after having a baby body, she's not the type to be dedicated enough to bounce back"...way to be supportive of women. You contradict yourself so many times - Take a look in the mirror...

[theScribbler]

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Oh, ANDDDD-- you lie so much that you don't even remember half the lies you spew. Here is the attachment from http://www.heroinemovies.com/chained-up ... tina-hess/ where you told everyone this was going to the CW.

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Please let me know the next LIE you'd like me to address.

Rather pathetic there Logan. Having quite the pathetic bizarro day are ya?

Did stalker Logan Cross forget to take his psychosis prevention meds today?

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So Deluded Logan posts "where you told everyone this was going to the CW."

Which is not what she said at all.

Apparently Logan doesn't know what a pitch is, or what "targeted to potentially be able to pitch to" means. What she obviously meant is that she wants the series to be something she can try to sell to a network like CW or to Netflix, and not Skinemax aka not soft porn.

She did not say "this was going to the CW."

Deluded Logan spinning and misunderstanding what someone else wrote and why. Classic. Usual.
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I can't speak to the fake looking made-up other pngs. But Logan's a PRO at faking stuff. So whatever.

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On the other hand, Logan Cross said Nightshadow has $100mil budget and is releasing to theaters in April 2017. Which is never going to happen? It's so not going to happen he deleted this info from wherever he previously posted it. It's not shooting, there's no costume, there's no A-lister actress to wear the costume, it's not shooting anytime soon, it's not going to be theaters. Ever.

[Heroine Addict]

I thought "The Truth" wasn't going to post again on this thread? I wonder if people like Marvel's Kevin Feige and DC's Geoff Johns have these huge online tantrums in-between producing actual $100,000,000+ movies?

[Heroine Addict]

Well, seeing as anyone can mock-up a page of text, everyone should take this "proof" with a generous pinch of salt.

If, however, the emails are genuine, I hope Kristina sues your ass. Regardless of whether she has been fair to Coco. Someone who can't tell us the details of his super-secret movies due to NDAs should know better than to post a private email conversation online.

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/publica ... vate-facts

[Blx]

But then again, I don't know what to believe. Its a pretty nice drama either way.

[Heroine Addict]

Logic? From a man who is claiming his theatrical debut will be a $100,000,000 blockbuster.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[Blx]

dontbelievehislies.img

Lol that was clever. Old picture though. Not sure how you lie about facts you shouldn't know. But somehow, you believe I can. Must be the comic book based super power I have. Again, a little logic would go a long way.

I don't mind Logan whatsoever to be honest. I think he made good videos, with hot girls and that was that. I just didn't like how you gave us a notice twice about how you were closing, and everything was going away, while TheSuperheroines.com is still online.

I think most people saw it coming that it wasn't actually going to shut down, but its still a shitty trick in my opinion.

Other than that, I appreciate the work you did.

I also like the drama that's been going on.

[Heroine Addict]

I don't doubt you're making a movie called Nightshadow with the costume you showed. The preposterous part is the idea that someone who has never made a theatrical feature before has somehow gathered the nine-figure sum to make the most ambitious indie movie in history, starring A-list talent.

While waiting for the $100,000,000 to roll in and while keeping the A-lister(s) on hold indefinitely, this major Hollywood player is inexplicably helping a new fetish producer to make low-budget fetish videos for fetishists.

Do you see the plausibility problem with that, Logan? A person who claims he can raise a nine-figure budget is trying to raise a few dollars here and there from fetishists.

Plus there's the whole issue of marketing a new property with no name recognition whatsoever. Are these mysterious investors going to stump up the huge marketing budget too?

[theScribbler]

Logan Cross knows ZILCH about the industry. Logan Cross is really stupid about the industry and not just pretending to be!

Series producer PITCHES a series to this Network and/or that Network or Netflix or Hulu or Amazon or other Content Buyer... and then whoever buys the series is where the series is GOING to. Dumbass! "Going to a network" and "PITCHING to a network" are not the same thing. If you were actually in the industry, you might know that!

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Nightshadow is a made-up project, your baby, and you're under an NDA with it!!!!!!!!! How stupid is that! That makes no sense. Let's pretend this was a real big budget movie thing, just for laughs: I can see the costumers being under NDA, the cast, crew, etc. But you, the producer. That makes no sense. Nope, you can't fool me with your stupid nonsense.

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Let go of the April 2017 date? It's just a date I make fun of ever since you posted it! Yes, "we all know that date hasn't been accurate since [you] first mentioned it back in February" or whenever, just like there's NOT a single thing that you've ever posted or written that's been accurate or true!!! That's not NEWS!

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So "very old in-progress picture from the costumers." And that proves what?! Nothing is what it proves. There's no completed costume. There's no actress to where it. There's no movie about to be shot anytime soon. Yep, repeating myself, cause I know I'm right. Plus, you getting back to amateur hour SHIP vids like you used to do is just more proof there's no $100 million (or budget anywhere close) Nightshadow piece of crap epic movie coming from you to theaters. Anytime soon or Ever.

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I have very solid ideas of what I'm talking about, because your bullshit smells from miles away, from wherever place you're stinking up. You couldn't fool me ever before, and you can't fool me now. Dumbass.

The ole NDA and other pretend legal crap you hide behind. LOL. Ever read Variety & Hollywood Reporter. They're the two main Hollywood trade magazines. Ever sat in a waiting room at a big studio (or small studio, trailer production house, etc...) waiting to see someone. These are the mags laying around you can glance thru while you wait. These trade mags cover Hollywood including Hollywood movies and Indie movies starting years in advance: who's attached or even rumored to be attached, taking meetings, finally who's actually cast, who drops out or let go, who replaces them, actors, directors, producers, DoP, writers, studios, release dates, and numerous other aspects worth reporting. You know why. Cause Hollywood wants to generate hype, buzz, interest for the movies early. You know why Nightshadow isn't covered at all in Variety or Hollywood Reporter, why Logan Cross isn't mentioned in them. I'll tell you why. Cause Nightshadow is a non-thing, an unknown thing in Hollywood, and Logan Cross is a non-person in Hollywood, a non-entity.

Here's Variety on a movie coming out in 2018...
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/tomb- ... 201810114/

Here's Variety on Nightshadow...


Oh, you mentioned Jennifer Lawrence (IMDB LOL, you're so not a hollywood insider!)

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/red-s ... 201830502/
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/jenni ... 201655500/
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/jenni ... 201444682/
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/passe ... 201535570/

[theScribbler]

I don't doubt you're making a movie called Nightshadow with the costume you showed. The preposterous part is the idea that someone who has never made a theatrical feature before has somehow gathered the nine-figure sum to make the most ambitious indie movie in history, starring A-list talent.

While waiting for the $100,000,000 to roll in and while keeping the A-lister(s) on hold indefinitely, this major Hollywood player is inexplicably helping a new fetish producer to make low-budget fetish videos for fetishists.

Do you see the plausibility problem with that, Logan? A person who claims he can raise a nine-figure budget is trying to raise a few dollars here and there from fetishists.

Plus there's the whole issue of marketing a new property with no name recognition whatsoever. Are these mysterious investors going to stump up the huge marketing budget too?

I do see why there's doubt. It is very ambitious. I will say that it's actually now an 8-figure budget that's agreed on. That will be disclosed later.

I'm not sure you're fully aware of what marketing actually entails for a theatrical film. There are many moving parts to this deal, and I have to be vague here-- all jokes aside, this is seriously something I cannot talk much about-- but for films, it's called a P&A Budget-- which is already financed.

There's of course your standard film budget, bonding, gap provisions, pre-sales, and other processes that are involved.

While I wait, I'm helping someone produce content because it's what I've been doing here for 5+ years. It's easy to me -- a process I understand. So yes, it's very different to go from these films to the other project. Trust me, I TOTALLY understand the skepticism. But to help out someone who is currently where I was 5 years ago-- that's important to me. I like to see people succeed-- people who have the drive and will put in the hard work.

Every producer here knows how hard it is to find talent, direct them, edit everything, get the costumes right, write the scripts, do the fight scenes, do visual effects-- and find a way to be profitable doing it. If she continues on, then I hope I save her years of trial and error I went through-- and a lot of wasted expense at times.

For my other project, I don't know what else to say really. It's kind of a "wait and see" scenario. But just because I haven't put out the info doesn't mean it's not real. And it IS ambitious. We heard a lot... A lot of No's before we got our Yes's. And we're still not done putting it together. Hence the wait.

Also, remember that no matter how large the film budget may be, that doesn't pay my bills or those of my team. That pays for a film to be made-- my pay doesn't start until everything is signed. Meanwhile, everyone still has to eat.

Oh look, the Logan B- continues.

No one cares about your made-up 8 figures anymore than anyone cares about your made-up $100 million.

I'm fully aware Logan is not sure what marketing actually entails for a theatrical film. He has no clue. The buzz for real films starts years early. The buzz for non-existant films is what you get from crackpot liars like Logan.

You're not helping someone produce. Dragon Lady is you, and your team including Howdy Doody horrible actor Matt.

Yes, NS is a wait and see forever and ever amen. Never gonna happen. For 8 fig or 7 fig or 6 fig etc.

Yes, you need to eat. That's why you're doing the Dragon Lady Persona BS. Good ole Logan Cross aka Jason Hunter aka Dragon Lady.

You've played this forum far too often. You should be banned from here.

[theScribbler]

edit: unimportant

[theScribbler]

Lol that's so full of error it's not even worth replying to. ^^

Fully aware Logan Cross can't counter the truth. It's such a foreign concept for Logan Cross.

Lmao this has nothing to do with "truth". Your whole post is full of blatant errors. Now you're pretending to know what you're talking about -- I will say Variety and HR are 2 publications here-- though neither prints about deals that haven't been inked or set with a pay or play.

Hollywood Insider? Please. That's a term made up by the general public. There's no such thing. And I certainly never claimed to be that-- I'm a guy making a movie. All your other nonsense is just a garbled mess of misinformation.

And speak normally for once. What is wrong with you? I apologize if there's actually is something mentally wrong with you-- I don't mean to offend you in that case.

Variety and Hollywood Reporter aren't just publications, they're the leading Hollywood Trade mags. (whereas Entertainment Weekly is a Consumer Entertainment mag.) Do you not know what a trade mag is? Clearly you don't.

They absolutely report on all things Hollywood. Inked or not. Pay or play has zilch to do with anything. Maybe you should read the trades. You'd learn something.

Hollywood Insider is a term used in Hollywood. WTF stupid know-nothing vomit are you spewing now! You are beyond stupid with your attempts to counter me. Everytime you open your mouth (aka post here) you reveal yet another thing you know absolutely nothing about.

Variety: Hollywood Insider articles

If Logan calls something misinformation, everyone else here can be sure it's real information!

People can read my post(s) themselves. Logan Cross commentary is worthless drivel. You're like bizarro countering man, time and time again proving you're the biggest bullshitter in the world. Well, maybe you're tied with the Donald.

[theScribbler]

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/red-s ... 201830502/

Here's Joel Edgerton in talks NOT INKED, NOT PAY OR PLAY, just talks. Really Logan Cross misinformation is legendary.

[theScribbler]

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/anne- ... 201856141/

Here's Anne Hathaway merely interested in a Catwoman Spinoff movie aka NOT INKED, NOT PAY OR PLAY. Logan loses again.

[KnightsofGotham.com]

Lol that's so full of error it's not even worth replying to. ^^

A bit of advice and then you won't hear from me again in this thread (no matter what is said)
if you want to talk via PM or email thats fine

If you want to shut up a forum talking smack the best thing for you to do is shut your mouth, put your money where your mouth is, provide what you promised and then, and only then after you have met all obligations and provided everything you promised can you come back on and say
"see guys....i told you it would happen" and then go on to thank everyone that stood by you and graciously tell everyone who doubted you that the trust was warranted and all their ranting made them look foolish.

Otherwise all you're doing is digging an already deep hole deeper and no amount of final product will redeem the damage you have done by continuing the drama.

you want to "tell your side" that can be done by fulfilling all obligations.
you want to "defend your good name" that can be done by putting out the project you promised
you want to show that everyone doesn't "know what they are talking about" that can be done by presenting hard finished products out for all to see.

Surely you can see that all you're doing is making this worse for yourself by trying to clear your name with walls of text and screenshots of messages. The only way to stop a message board that hates you is to pull away and do damage control.

When my wife Evangeline first joined this forum she was met with a few grumpy people who had beef with her from our acquiring the slumberville website. They made it a point of attacking everyone of her posts and made it difficult to interact with people.
Instead of handling it graciously she went on the warpath thinking she would find support in the mods and admin but what she was failing to realize is that she was contributing to the problem and was banned.

you don't counter a forum full of people who don't like you by going on a defense rant.
People will hate you no matter what.
All you can do is to counter their accusations not with typed replies but with physical proof that can be seen.
Let your fans do the work for you.

You want to change the way people perceive you? then change how you react.

you are a producer and as such you have a greater responsibility to the forum as a whole. you are not an average joe.
you cannot expect to be treated like one.


If people attack you thank them and tell them the final release will vindicate you.
let them hate you, let them attack you.
just let it roll off your back.

anything else will just bite you in the ass and make your perception in this and every other forum worse.

As a producer I know I will be met with hostility from time to time.
you cannot counter that with equal hostility or you will attract more hate.

Whenever I get to a point where a forum member is being a dick and just arguing me to argue I thank them for their time, Admit to them (sarcastically) that they are right, I am wrong, I don't know what I'm talking about and they do, and then beg their forgiveness. they will either stop or continue. if they stop you have stopped the bleeding, if they continue and you stay shut they look like the fool and the public perception victory is yours.

People are going to hate you. that can't be helped but what you can do to stop it from getting worse is "close your damn mouth"
your words are never going to stop people from hating you
your words are never going to change peoples minds about you
your words are never going to get your reputation back

All your words can do for you here is make everything worse.

you want all of this to go away?
you have one option open to you.
deliver on all your promises.
deliver on all your obligations
release a full recipe of all expenses in marketing, wardrobe, props, talent, etc

put it all out for public consumption.
let your acts speak for you not your words.

if people are saying this new person is you in disguise film her typing a post herself and hitting enter and filming the post go live.
its worked for me in the past when people started spreading lies about me being Evangeline.
when there is video proof people can't easily argue it.

If people say you are spending all the money on fancy cars and a high lifestyle, show the recipes for all the expenses. don't be combative and don't release it as a rebuttal...just release the info on your blog or whatever. let the proof be easily found by people digging for the research.

Remember man. the only thing that can save your reputation here is just living up to all your promises and obligations.
not walls of text
not argument
not calling people names

you want your good name back.
the proof is in the pudding.
give everything you promised and everyone talking shit about you will have to eat crow.
keep interacting with people like you are just another member of the community and things will get worse.

thats all I have to say on the subject

take the advice, or don't.

[bbsucks]

Sigh. Shouldn't get involved but it just goes on and on and on and, as we all know in these times of the Internet, everyone cares about my opinion! (Not really).

My 2 cents. Logan is not as much of a liar as people are portraying him to be. Fake emails? Doubtful. And I'm sure some of that stuff in his wall of text was true. People say things. People do things. Sometimes people say things they later regret and wish they didn't, and try to correct in the future. Sometimes people change their mind. Sometimes people change. It's allowed. If Logan wrote something today that said "this is what I said in the past and I believe it at the time, and I since changed my mind and/or learned that wasn't true or the best way to do things, so now I'm saying this," I wouldn't care. That's great. At this point, a lot of people on this board would care. Maybe that's not fair, maybe it is.

But I will say one thing.
Store closing. Yes, this old gem. A store closing sale sends a message that stuff is going to stop being available in the future and creates an urgency to buy things while you still can. Not sure if this is true everywhere, but in the state I grew up in, there was a law that if you did a store closing sale at a brick and mortar store, you either needed to close within a certain period of time, or you weren't allowed to have another store closing sale for a certain amount of years because it is unfairly dishonest to customers and other businesses to create a false impression of urgency when it's not true. I forget the specifics, but I remember we learned that when a store I worked for went out of business. We did a closing sale, then ended up finding a new location for super cheap and moved instead. Then, when that didn't pan out (it wasn't a great store), we wanted to do a going out of business sale at the new location and we weren't allowed to do so.

At any rate, you can't do a store closing sale for a year and expect customers to not feel lied to. I understand that maybe it was intended to close, and yes, deals are a nice thing to do, but you just cannot do that. At some point, even if it's like "oh we're 95% sure closing for real this time!" at some point, you need stop calling it a store closing sale. Yes, even if it's just for semantics. Also, at some point the "it just kept going and going" thing needs to trigger something in the brain saying "hey, I believe it's going to happen this time, but I've been wrong 17 times already. Maybe there's a pattern and I might be wrong again." Even if everything Logan has written here is 100% true, at some point "I'm not lying! I just have no idea what I'm doing with anything I touch" isn't any better.

[Blue-Scion]

This is getting ridiculous. Theres no doubt some blind hate here that is failing to see whats important here. Logan doesnt seem like he is the monster everyone is painting him to be. He probably has done some lowly business tricks like constant closing sales and exaggeration of facts. That thing is hes addressed everything and provided proof and its sad to see that people are trying to ignore that and spewing blind hate. If Kristina provides proof then id want hers to be viewed fairly as well. So far one has and the other hasnt. If he really was a liar and bad guy who doesnt give a shit about people then why would he care enough to even come here and address us? He owes us nothing.

To answer @bert post to me:
I believe you. I get it that everyone here who is against Logan didnt decide one day that they want to hate someone. I get that many feel they have very good reason. Again who knows maybe you all are right. But from where im sitting based on what im seeing the reasons are and the comments from both Logan and Kristina. They hardly seem like valid points anymore. Some of you are hurt and just want reprisal but you need to think about whether or not thats worth it. Now you may not like the guys personality and his self "aggrandizing" and thats understandable nobody likes someone who thinks they're better than others. You have every right to have a personal opinion on the guy. But opinion and accusation are two different things. When accusing someone you better be damn sure you know the facts and have an objective view. Because accusations can cause real damage. Its why there is a jury in court full of strangers with no bias. Because it can lead to someone innocent of accusations being falsely persecuted because he is an asshole and rubbed someone the wrong way. As a law student we study this all the time. Objectivity people, its important.

(sorry for any typos im pressed for time haha)

[Bert]

Let's be serious for a minute. On what basis would investors give Logan over ten million dollars to shoot a movie? Based on his two "in the can" movies that no one has ever seen? Based on his ability to make custom HIP movies for a niche audience? Based on dick size? (For those new to Logan's shenanigans, he ran an x-rated heroine site that starred his package.) Is money so plentiful in the U.S. economy that investors will throw millions at an unknown, unproven guy to shoot a superheroine movie? Must be one hell of a movie. Here's an excerpt from the synopsis for Nightshadow:

"In the midst of rising crime, a new mineral coined Hydrasidian, and the return of a very dangerous alien walking amongst our society, a Princess from another dimension is abruptly thrown through a portal and ends up in the center of our city— during the hijacking of protected ancient alien biotechnology."

Keep in mind, this is one paragraph from the full ten paragraph synopsis. Investors are putting up millions and millions of dollars for this? Short answer - no, no they are not. Logan's eight figure Nightshadow feature length theatrical motion picture isn't going to happen. He may shoot a movie called Nightshadow. He may shoot it in a tiny Texas town. It will not have an eight figure budget and it will not be shown in a theater near you.

[thrifty]

He really cares, he always deletes his posts to remove evidence.

[Blue-Scion]

Lol that's so full of error it's not even worth replying to. ^^

A bit of advice and then you won't hear from me again in this thread (no matter what is said)
if you want to talk via PM or email thats fine

If you want to shut up a forum talking smack the best thing for you to do is shut your mouth, put your money where your mouth is, provide what you promised and then, and only then after you have met all obligations and provided everything you promised can you come back on and say
"see guys....i told you it would happen" and then go on to thank everyone that stood by you and graciously tell everyone who doubted you that the trust was warranted and all their ranting made them look foolish.

Otherwise all you're doing is digging an already deep hole deeper and no amount of final product will redeem the damage you have done by continuing the drama.

you want to "tell your side" that can be done by fulfilling all obligations.
you want to "defend your good name" that can be done by putting out the project you promised
you want to show that everyone doesn't "know what they are talking about" that can be done by presenting hard finished products out for all to see.

Surely you can see that all you're doing is making this worse for yourself by trying to clear your name with walls of text and screenshots of messages. The only way to stop a message board that hates you is to pull away and do damage control.

When my wife Evangeline first joined this forum she was met with a few grumpy people who had beef with her from our acquiring the slumberville website. They made it a point of attacking everyone of her posts and made it difficult to interact with people.
Instead of handling it graciously she went on the warpath thinking she would find support in the mods and admin but what she was failing to realize is that she was contributing to the problem and was banned.

you don't counter a forum full of people who don't like you by going on a defense rant.
People will hate you no matter what.
All you can do is to counter their accusations not with typed replies but with physical proof that can be seen.
Let your fans do the work for you.

You want to change the way people perceive you? then change how you react.

you are a producer and as such you have a greater responsibility to the forum as a whole. you are not an average joe.
you cannot expect to be treated like one.


If people attack you thank them and tell them the final release will vindicate you.
let them hate you, let them attack you.
just let it roll off your back.

anything else will just bite you in the ass and make your perception in this and every other forum worse.

As a producer I know I will be met with hostility from time to time.
you cannot counter that with equal hostility or you will attract more hate.

Whenever I get to a point where a forum member is being a dick and just arguing me to argue I thank them for their time, Admit to them (sarcastically) that they are right, I am wrong, I don't know what I'm talking about and they do, and then beg their forgiveness. they will either stop or continue. if they stop you have stopped the bleeding, if they continue and you stay shut they look like the fool and the public perception victory is yours.

People are going to hate you. that can't be helped but what you can do to stop it from getting worse is "close your damn mouth"
your words are never going to stop people from hating you
your words are never going to change peoples minds about you
your words are never going to get your reputation back

All your words can do for you here is make everything worse.

you want all of this to go away?
you have one option open to you.
deliver on all your promises.
deliver on all your obligations
release a full recipe of all expenses in marketing, wardrobe, props, talent, etc

put it all out for public consumption.
let your acts speak for you not your words.

if people are saying this new person is you in disguise film her typing a post herself and hitting enter and filming the post go live.
its worked for me in the past when people started spreading lies about me being Evangeline.
when there is video proof people can't easily argue it.

If people say you are spending all the money on fancy cars and a high lifestyle, show the recipes for all the expenses. don't be combative and don't release it as a rebuttal...just release the info on your blog or whatever. let the proof be easily found by people digging for the research.

Remember man. the only thing that can save your reputation here is just living up to all your promises and obligations.
not walls of text
not argument
not calling people names

you want your good name back.
the proof is in the pudding.
give everything you promised and everyone talking shit about you will have to eat crow.
keep interacting with people like you are just another member of the community and things will get worse.

thats all I have to say on the subject

take the advice, or don't.

Very well said and I second this. Adding to the pile is pointless

[Bert]

@Blue-Scion - This is my second paragraph from the earlier post:

"I don't know you, and I don't care if you become a fan of Logan's or not, but you should know that his lengthy response should not be taken as the definitive version of events. Remember, he's been sending out weekly messages for six months now saying his site is about to close and to buy the videos before they disappear forever. He ran a Kickstarter campaign to raise money for costumes for a movie that supposedly was being financed by large investors. The website for this movie hasn't been updated for months, and now his team is back making HIP movies after saying he was done with it and on to bigger things. Neither of the two movies he's made have shown up in theaters, Netflix or anywhere else. He posted bogus numbers for how much those movies cost to produce as proof of his ability to woo investors, but now admits that they were shot for no money with everyone volunteering their time, and the money numbers were made up. Be careful what you believe from this guy."

There are no accusations here, just concrete examples of Logan's suspect actions, lies and deceptions. It's a short list, but I could have made it much longer. Perhaps you should ponder what could possibly motivate a group of strangers to each take time out of their day to post on this topic. This guy you are sort of defending has managed to so aggravate people on this forum that they will take the time to call him out. He's the only producer anything like this level of reaction has ever happened to. Why might that be?

[Blue-Scion]

@Blue-Scion - This is my second paragraph from the earlier post:

"I don't know you, and I don't care if you become a fan of Logan's or not, but you should know that his lengthy response should not be taken as the definitive version of events. Remember, he's been sending out weekly messages for six months now saying his site is about to close and to buy the videos before they disappear forever. He ran a Kickstarter campaign to raise money for costumes for a movie that supposedly was being financed by large investors. The website for this movie hasn't been updated for months, and now his team is back making HIP movies after saying he was done with it and on to bigger things. Neither of the two movies he's made have shown up in theaters, Netflix or anywhere else. He posted bogus numbers for how much those movies cost to produce as proof of his ability to woo investors, but now admits that they were shot for no money with everyone volunteering their time, and the money numbers were made up. Be careful what you believe from this guy."

There are no accusations here, just concrete examples of Logan's suspect actions, lies and deceptions. It's a short list, but I could have made it much longer. Perhaps you should ponder what could possibly motivate a group of strangers to each take time out of their day to post on this topic. This guy you are sort of defending has managed to so aggravate people on this forum that they will take the time to call him out. He's the only producer anything like this level of reaction has ever happened to. Why might that be?

Like I said i never once thought that everyone woke up and decided to hate the guy for no reason. Im sure hes given many of you reasons and at some point rubbed you the wrong way. The message I was trying to convey was this, every single person has a right to a personal opinion of a person. I only urge that people, not just in this case but in general, should never allow personal opinion to influence accusations. A person could be the biggest ass in the world but that doesn't mean you can accuse said person of something without being sure and putting your personal feelings aside.


Now please dont get me wrong guys, Skepticism here is warranted. In fact I always encourage skepticism in most situations its a healthy practice. Just dont blurr the line between being skeptical and accusatory. That can be dangerous especially if emotions are involved. Im just hoping that everyone gets heard fairly on both sides and that this whole mess can be over soon.

[Mr. X]

Its pretty clear the only way to resolve this issue is by having a bikini wrestling contest in pudding between Kristina Hess and Amanda Santella with lots of hair pulling and calling each other "bitch".

[Blue-Scion]

Its pretty clear the only way to resolve this issue is by having a bikini wrestling contest in pudding between Kristina Hess and Amanda Santella with lots of hair pulling and calling each other "bitch".

Theres that much needed comic relief haha