How many people are aware of the SHIP genre?

[GeekyPornCritic]

SHIP is our beloved genre. Superheroes and comics have more a part of mainstream culture. This largely due to Marvel's major success at the box office. On the other hand, DC has been a major failure with a few exceptions. Wonder Woman is currently their hottest character on the market as she is getting a squeal.

I wonder how many people are aware of SHIP. My friends watch mainstream porn and hentai. They had no idea SHIP exists until I told them. I've never seen SHIP advertised outside of SHIP sites and Twitter. So I wasn't surprised by them not knowing SHIP until I told them.

Mainstream companies rarely film videos that are considered SHIP. Axel Braun is the most well-known director for SHIP in mainstream porn. However, I argue his videos are not SHIP. His videos not contain any peril or very little peril. He produces a few SHIP movies a year and far less videos than the producers on this board.

I think the average porn customer has no idea SHIP exists and only knows Axel Braun's parodies. As some of you know, I was once one of those people. I had no clue about SHIP. Supergirl and porn were on my brain one day. I searched Google for the two terms, and discovered The Violation of Supergirl starring Alli Rae and Kendra James. I've been hooked on SHIP since that day.

I was a member on mainstream forums by Brazzers and Naughty America. None of the people on those forums ever mention SHIP. They would only mention Axel Braun. It appeared they were not aware of Kendra James, Primal Fetish, Tropic City Heroines, SHL, etc. They would only mention every other fetish related to mainstream porn.

The average porn customer does not want softcore videos. It's either hardcore or no go. If I ran into SHG Media's content, then I would not be interested in this genre. At least half of the models on SHG are hardcore pornstars. Most of their fans expect hardcore videos from them, and will not bother buying a softcore video.

I also read the comments about SHG Media at Heroine Movies. Most of the comments are very against hardcore sex, and some want five minute sex scenes. It's clear this audience has little to no interest in hardcore porn. They're probably a small minority of a pornstar's fan base. Pornstars become online famous for hardcore videos. For example, interest in Ashley Lane exploded after she became a hardcore pornstar. Her fan base expanded from softcore SHIP fans to a huge base of hardcore fans.

My comments are not a knock at SHG. They produce high quality videos as I've watched their trailers. However, their videos are PG-13 and Rated-R. A porn customer is looking for XXX and beyond.

My Twitter page is mostly about SHIP. Every week people are messaging me about finding SHIP. They notice the pictures on my page, and become interested in the genre.

[Imagineer]

Brazzers used to have a site called Porn Star Punishment. The site and its content got pulled for being too extreme.

I wonder how many average porn customers would be squicked or even angered by SHIP's non-consensual themes.

I wonder how many SHIP fans are sick of you pissing on non-hardcore studios for having the temerity to exist despite your expert understanding of the market.

If you ran into SHG Media's content and it didn't appeal to you, you'd keep searching. That's what the average porn customer does.

Some fans of SHIP who don't like things getting too sexual make a lot of noise, and some of the noise that some of them make is frankly discriminatory, as if there's nothing wrong with their fetish but something wrong with other fetishes -- or as if their enthusiasm isn't really a fetish. But you know what? They don't bother me nearly as much as your constant war on everything you personally don't think is awesome.

Keep searching for a way to advocate for what you think is cool without pissing on everything else, because you definitely haven't found it yet.

[tallyho]

Lets keep it respectful towards each other boys and girls

[GeekyPornCritic]

Brazzers used to have a site called Porn Star Punishment. The site and its content got pulled for being too extreme.

I wonder how many average porn customers would be squicked or even angered by SHIP's non-consensual themes.

I wonder how many SHIP fans are sick of you pissing on non-hardcore studios for having the temerity to exist despite your expert understanding of the market.

If you ran into SHG Media's content and it didn't appeal to you, you'd keep searching. That's what the average porn customer does.

Some fans of SHIP who don't like things getting too sexual make a lot of noise, and some of the noise that some of them make is frankly discriminatory, as if there's nothing wrong with their fetish but something wrong with other fetishes -- or as if their enthusiasm isn't really a fetish. But you know what? They don't bother me nearly as much as your constant war on everything you personally don't think is awesome.

Keep searching for a way to advocate for what you think is cool without pissing on everything else, because you definitely haven't found it yet.

I've never claimed to be an expert on anything.

Brazzers's Porn Star Punishment was pulled for a number of allegations. Rumors said credit card companies and billing agencies threaten to stop doing business with Brazzers for a policy violation. There were other allegations about complaints from pornstars. Allegedly, pornstars complained of scenes being way too rough and pictures of bruises were posted on social media sites. Brazzers's directors with zero experience in BDSM type scenes took things too literally.

Nikki Benz is currently or was suing Brazzers for sexual assault on set.

However, I would not put SHIP in the same boat as Porn Star Punishment. There is one huge difference with a few exceptions.The male pornstars in Porn Star Punishment were portrayed beating up women during sex scenes. I have over 300 SHIP videos on my hard drive and have never seen a video with a villain beating up a heroine during sex. Maybe you or someone else have seen such a video, but I have not.

Many porn videos have non-consensual themes. How many times have you heard the young guy say "Hey we should not do this." to a MILF or wife character? How many times have companies filmed peeping tom videos? Even teen porn makes people question themes in porn.

Why are you bothered by me criticizing videos and studios? There is nothing wrong with criticizing companies. If a person produces a product, then he or she has put themselves out there to be criticized. I ask one of my good friends to look at my non-adult business and see where I can improve it. I encourage people and most importantly myself to criticize me for I can better myself and my product. How can I step forward if I allow myself to be blind?

A problem in pop culture is fans being offended because someone in this case me dislike what you enjoy. There is no reason to be offended. Did I say people's interest in softcore movies is morally wrong or stupid? No sir. This reminds me of a former coworker who filed a complaint because I dislike Tom Brady her favorite football player. A lot of people are too personalized in their hobbies to the point of hating someone with different likes.

My best friend does not like my favorite video game franchise, and I'm not offended. There is nothing to be angry about.

[Renegade]

In my view, SHiP can have porn.. but when you get down to defining our niche of the adult industry, SHiP is first and foremost fetish, and not defined by being porn.

There's a broad spectrum of producers who make films that are most all plot and (fighting) action that don't even involve nudity to producers who make films with 3-5 minutes of set-up and then nearly entirely about more hardcore action. (I enjoy most all of it.)

I'll agree that the more 'mainstream' porn producers miss the boat by staging porn scenes in spiffy costumes, that's outside the genre to me.

[GeekyPornCritic]

In my view, SHiP can have porn.. but when you get down to defining our niche of the adult industry, SHiP is first and foremost fetish, and not defined by being porn.

There's a broad spectrum of producers who make films that are most all plot and (fighting) action that don't even involve nudity to producers who make films with 3-5 minutes of set-up and then nearly entirely about more hardcore action. (I enjoy most all of it.)

I'll agree that the more 'mainstream' porn producers miss the boat by staging porn scenes in spiffy costumes, that's outside the genre to me.

Fetish and porn go hand in hand. Porn presents many fetishes. Big Tits, ass, nurses, maids, schoolgirls, taboo, teen, and so many more fetishes are in porn. SHIP is also included if the video is hardcore. Why should SHIP be any different when it contains hardcore sex? By legal definition it is porn. You can't find hardcore SHIP outside of adult sites. You can find SHIP without sexual content on non-adult sites.

[bushwackerbob]

Sam Kinnison once described standup comedy as a rainbow, that there are various colors of the rainbow, that there is something for everyone, some people like mainstream standup like Jerry Seinfeld while others like the more edgy stylings of Louie CK. I think of superheroine peril the same way, that there is something for everyone. Some people like their SHP hardcore while there are others like me who like more emphasis on the story, the acting, and some psychological peril in the video. GeekyPornCritic, the only thing I object to in your post is your criticism of SHG's business model, and the insinuation that hardcore is a superior business model to SHP softcore. Everybody can like whatever they like, it does not make one bit of difference to me. SHP is a very colorful rainbow with consumers with very diverse tastes and interests. The worst thing that could happen in this industry in my opinion would be for every studio to listen to you and change their business model to hardcore. I want a diverse rainbow SHP industry, I do not want every company vying to be the next Primal. Variety is the spice of life.

[GeekyPornCritic]

Sam Kinnison once described standup comedy as a rainbow, that there are various colors of the rainbow, that there is something for everyone, some people like mainstream standup like Jerry Seinfeld while others like the more edgy stylings of Louie CK. I think of superheroine peril the same way, that there is something for everyone. Some people like their SHP hardcore while there are others like me who like more emphasis on the story, the acting, and some psychological peril in the video. GeekyPornCritic, the only thing I object to in your post is your criticism of SHG's business model, and the insinuation that hardcore is a superior business model to SHP softcore. Everybody can like whatever they like, it does not make one bit of difference to me. SHP is a very colorful rainbow with consumers with very diverse tastes and interests. The worst thing that could happen in this industry in my opinion would be for every studio to listen to you and change their business model to hardcore. I want a diverse rainbow SHP industry, I do not want every company vying to be the next Primal. Variety is the spice of life.

I'm not telling or suggesting anyone to change. That is not even the subject matter.

There is no reason to be offended or angry that someone thinks hardcore is superior to softcore. That is not different than someone saying Marvel is superior to DC or Sony is superior to Nintendo. I also never said softcore is better than hardcore in the opening post. I honestly think hardcore is superior, but that was never discussed and said. That is not the topic.

The reason I mention SHG and softcore is porn consumers expect hardcore videos and SHG hire pornstars for their PG-13 and Rated-R videos. Those fans of these pornstars are probably not going to take the time to notice the genre as a whole. What they would see is a softcore video, and move along to find something else.

The topic is clear and it is about the exposure or awareness of SHIP. SHG filmed August Ames (RIP) as Wonder Woman, she was the most popular model in porn before her passing. Her fans expected hardcore videos of her. So they're not going be interested in a softcore of her. Who would be interested? People like yourself, who enjoy softcore videos. So August's main fan base would not be exposed to SHIP since they have zero interest in softcore videos. What do you think would expose more people to SHIP a softcore video of August Ames or a hardcore video to a million followers on social media?

[AvaHeinz]

SHIP is our beloved genre. Superheroes and comics have more a part of mainstream culture. This largely due to Marvel's major success at the box office. On the other hand, DC has been a major failure with a few exceptions. Wonder Woman is currently their hottest character on the market as she is getting a squeal.

I wonder how many people are aware of SHIP. My friends watch mainstream porn and hentai. They had no idea SHIP exists until I told them. I've never seen SHIP advertised outside of SHIP sites and Twitter. So I wasn't surprised by them not knowing SHIP until I told them.

Mainstream companies rarely film videos that are considered SHIP. Axel Braun is the most well-known director for SHIP in mainstream porn. However, I argue his videos are not SHIP. His videos not contain any peril or very little peril. He produces a few SHIP movies a year and far less videos than the producers on this board.

I think the average porn customer has no idea SHIP exists and only knows Axel Braun's parodies. As some of you know, I was once one of those people. I had no clue about SHIP. Supergirl and porn were on my brain one day. I searched Google for the two terms, and discovered The Violation of Supergirl starring Alli Rae and Kendra James. I've been hooked on SHIP since that day.

I was a member on mainstream forums by Brazzers and Naughty America. None of the people on those forums ever mention SHIP. They would only mention Axel Braun. It appeared they were not aware of Kendra James, Primal Fetish, Tropic City Heroines, SHL, etc. They would only mention every other fetish related to mainstream porn.

The average porn customer does not want softcore videos. It's either hardcore or no go. If I ran into SHG Media's content, then I would not be interested in this genre. At least half of the models on SHG are hardcore pornstars. Most of their fans expect hardcore videos from them, and will not bother buying a softcore video.

I also read the comments about SHG Media at Heroine Movies. Most of the comments are very against hardcore sex, and some want five minute sex scenes. It's clear this audience has little to no interest in hardcore porn. They're probably a small minority of a pornstar's fan base. Pornstars become online famous for hardcore videos. For example, interest in Ashley Lane exploded after she became a hardcore pornstar. Her fan base expanded from softcore SHIP fans to a huge base of hardcore fans.

My comments are not a knock at SHG. They produce high quality videos as I've watched their trailers. However, their videos are PG-13 and Rated-R. A porn customer is looking for XXX and beyond.

My Twitter page is mostly about SHIP. Every week people are messaging me about finding SHIP. They notice the pictures on my page, and become interested in the genre.

Had a similar discussion with fellow producer Shevek a couple of days ago. I found your point interesting.

Before I continue, I am not into porn, I do enjoy some from time to time, but as a woman and in a constant relationship, I don't really engage in porn.

I guess the point is that SHIP genre is a bridge between porn and mainstream, people engage in Superhero content, be it movie, comic books or so on, hooked into the genre because of a fantasy, a fetish if you will, that separate Superhero content from mainstream action movie. As I said to Shevek in our convo before, if I am just enjoying a man or a girl kick some people arse with a modest outfits, I would probably go watch die hard.

However, do remember SHIP is not solely for porn user, most of SHIP content are consumed by non-porn user, in fact, in a borderline scenario, most major studio Superhero content can be described as SHIP, and they are by far the best fan base out there, 6 out of 10 top 10 box office in 2018 is of superhero content, which mean superhero content, and to some extend, SHIP genre are not solely based on porn, so a co-relationship (either one represent the other) between the porn and SHIP should not and could not be make. Because you are looking at SHIP solely at a hardcore point of view, while what you said is true, when a SHIP genre have hardcore element in it, then it will become porn, but more often than not, it is not the case here.

I would have to say SHIP is an independent genre, not porn nor mainstream, that does not mean SHIP cannot be porn nor mainstream, as I said, I see it more like a bridge to the two side. And one have no relation to the other, you can have SHIP and without hardcore element, or you can have SHIP with it, in fact, you can make anything mainstream into porn by putting hardcore element in it, which does nothing to the original genre, because that is an option, not a definition.

As for whether or not porn studio miss the chance and have their own representation in SHIP genre? I cannot say for sure, as I said, I am not really into porn, but as far as I see, the representation of SHIP or Superhero Content in mainstream media is very big, and the representation of SHIP/Superhero content in porn are not, I would say, yes, Porn producer have missed the chance.