Mr. X wrote: ↑2 years ago
Femina wrote: ↑2 years ago
Quantity equates to fanservice.
WHAT?! No it does not. Look at Wonder Woman. It took maybe 3 or 4 scenes to make that show a fetish hit. The show did not become a fetish hit cause they simply aired a bunch of episodes. ALL IT TOOK was those 3 or 4 episodes. And you see this by the scenes posted. And BTW there's a lot more. WW running. Diana at the beach, booty shots, cleavage whenever she wore the suit. SHE WORE A GODDAMNED SEXY SUIT WTF!
That's fair, and I would like to clarify my previous statement (though it did have something to say about the limited nature of the peril in WW as is) I don't mean that quantity of PERIL is the factor here. We're a less overt species than we used to be, so it takes more quantity than it used to in order to produce the quality of the sort of peril that sparks the imagination.
Superheroines are not on the screen because they don't draw in male customers because 1. The actresses do nothing sexy 2. no sexy or erotic or fan services scenes. 3. male viewers are demeaned and humiliated and shamed for even seeing 3 seconds of something erotic. 4. Actresses hostile toward the fan base... I could go on.
And the less you're willing to watch of them, the less and less we'll ever be presented the opportunity for the sorts of scenarios that will inspire new SHiP enthusiasts. I'm not saying a correlation doesn't exist here, I am not saying that our more timid and carefully 'mainstream' presentation of heroines on the screen doesn't impact the attention of the SHIP crowd... I'm merely stating that one can be the harbinger of their own woes. If you won't watch a superheroine film that isn't tailored for 'the sexy' than you indirectly convince the people who make films that you don't want ANYTHING superheroine related AT ALL. I doubt anyone here will ever properly reflect what their whole 'boycot Captain Marvel!!!!!' BS has on the image of what the future of SHiP entails... but I personally remember the event as the single most ironic moment of our websites history at least, if not all of SHiP WorldWideWebwide.
And I know this cause all we have to do is take a look at Japanese stuff and its extremely popular. Supposedly one series in Jpana sold more than the entire American market of DC and Marvel combined.
hmmm, I'm not sure which series you're talking about so I can't comment on that, but if we're talking the underground 'porn' of japanese superheroines I don't know that I agree its a significant factor here? They only occasionally make things based on Western characters which is the real question this topic is asking right? Nobody is that concerned at the state of JAPANESE SHiP I don't think. They have whole production companies based in it... and they also have literally hundreds of episodes of anime television premiering yearly that tend to include 'heroine' type characters... if America were producing the same volume of mainstream material focused on heroines, I suspect you'd find a natural rise in Western character SHiP content as well... I mean with Marvel ramping up on it, we may only be a few years off from this right now for all we know... the next decade could maybe answer this threads question once and for all.
Another grand example, Black Scorpion. Dozens of episodes but goes unremembered because it rarely if ever had fan service fetish in it. I'm sure the fan service for these movies is for some other audience (20 minutes of Cavill shirtless in justice leauge... coff coff, shirtless Mamoa... coff coff, shirtless vampires and werewolves... coff coff)
AHA!!!! But Black Scorpion DOES have FAR MORE peril per episode content than Wonder Woman EVER had... and plenty of it the sorts of perils that people here EAT UP. I don't know that it works here either. It was produced basically 'pre-internet age' or at the least before the internet was just RAMPANT in the way it is today. The number of SHiP enthusiast sites that were around in those days were a lot harder to find... One might find that today, Black Scorpion might have done a lot better in our crowd. It was sort of produced in a bit of a transitory period in television and advertising... the fact it was only ever on SYFY cable thus harder to find may also factor...
I mean... I watched it when I could.
Its not quantity... its quality.
Quality of PERIL maybe. But as we've deduced quantity of peril in WW didn't matter... my only point is that until we have a much greater quantity of Superheroines dominating the screen today than we do, our odds of getting the quality of PERIL we'd like is basically nil. BATGIRL imperiled every other episode is a pipedream today, but seeing 'Spidergirl' chloroformed once in a series run in the way that pushes peoples buttons is much more likely to happen in this day and age if it's just one of a dozen superheroine properties flooding the market.
The olden days are gone yeah, we'll never have the quality per quantity we once had, but until the market of superheroine properties is widespread and considered 'safe' to approach by the suits, few if ANY are going to take the risk of offending to many with fanservice-type peril shots. I think we'd find that creators would be a lot more comfortable doing that sort of thing when the market feels 'settled' that superheroines are just as prominent and varied as the male supers.