Superheroine's Demise...wtf?

[robopope25]

First a little backstory....

I have had this fetish since i was 10 when I was about 19 I discovered sooperhero.com and was amazed. It was the first time i saw all the crazt fantasies I've had brought to life. I became a member and stayed a member for 12 years.

However a year ago I stopped. I was paying this guy 12.95 a month just so I had access to his archives but in reality since around 2009 his stuff has been horrible. Stories started, didn't finish, video clips looked like they were shot with a camera from 1982. Pics were just closeups of the girl's back. So what happened? How did the site fall this far? I mean as I've gotten older I've spoke to models and befriended them. I've even dabbled with cameras and final cut. It's easier than it's ever been to get girls to participate in this fetish. Not saying it's EASY per se but with the great record and backlog Sooperhero had you think he'd have models flock to him.

It makes less sense to me because I see Rye and NGC put out fantastic work with gorgeous women and this guy can't get a decent model or camera.

So can we talk about how a guy went from producing state of the art super heroine peril in 2000 to producing hot garbage 13 years later? How did it get like that? Dying to know!

[RedMountain]

It was a great site back in the day along with SHC, but times have changed and unfortunately left those two sites in the dust. A shame really.

[Mr. X]

Well candy store owners hate candy after a while.

[harriertalon]

Sooperhero and SHC were both, relatively speaking, the first out of the gate to really pander to our heroine-based obsession. I'm not saying they were the only game in town, but they were two of the sites that had (or at the *time* had) solid plans for development, a good assortment of material to offer, and...dollar for dollar...few could compete with them.

Over time, though, smaller companies who I can imagine were at one time fans of both sites began to offer more - if not in terms of quantity, then definitely in terms of quality. And audiences responded. As a result it really isn't enough to throw a pretty model or actress into a leotard, put a cape on her, and film her getting felt up in a basement somewhere. Let's be honest, why would I spend my $13 on sooperhero when I can spend a bit more but get something on the level of O-girl? Or Rye's work? Or Hypnoticsworld? Or *insert your own here*?

And, as some have noted...they've been around for some time now...it's possible the creators have found other venues, their lives may have changed, etc. Audiences aren't the only ones capable of developing different tastes or ideas.

[sugarcoater]

Several good points brought up. I think it's a combination of having several other more pressing financial deals, such as a regular job, and being able to just suck up a few extra bucks by just posting cheap crap and selling the archives as the real money maker.
And it could very well be that those two creators are simply incompetent. They lack the intelligence and/or desire to adapt to the times. They obviously have no desire to change their style or grow, as nothing has changed for the better on either site in over a decade.

[Shakeshift]

I worked for Villain for almost six years (2000-2006) as a writer and later as a co-producer. By the end of 2005 I just couldn't work for a guy like that any longer. Not one more second. Everything he ever did was ego-related and he was a terrible boss. He liked what he liked and he never once really stopped to listen to anybody but his own personal muse. When he was making big bank it was CRAZY big (one year I was accidentally sent the P&L statement by his business partner) and he never bothered to share the credit or throw back a little for the people who worked for him and made next to nothing for doing 33% of that work. It was CRAZY money, the kind of insane profits that don't really exist anymore for SHiP producers because of oversaturation of the SHiP fetish and the spandex fetishists in general circa 2005-2008.

For instance, it wouldn't kill him to pay for an employee's airfare once a year, but he never did and he never offered and when I asked him to do it he never acknowledged the emails. When I did arrive, ready for work, I was picked up from the train station in an $80,000 Jaguar though that he couldn't afford three years ago. There was a certain frat-boy sneer he had in actions like that. I would've been happy with a small Christmas bonus or maybe some Amazon gift cards so that I could buy something nice for myself in acknowledgement of my work over the past twelve months.

Nothing.

Employees remember stuff like that. They always do. Treat others as you would like to be treated.

In contrast, my work with Vesta (2004-2012) was amazingly stress-free. I also ended up making way more via the hookups that I got through her and her company. Vesta takes care of her long-term employees. Airfare, hotels, big budgets, editorial freedom to create stories as I wanted and with next to no editorial oversight as long as it turns profits, and annual gifts for being a loyal, hardworking employee. It was the BOMB.

It was like apples and oranges between the two companies.

[ttb51m]

well thats a sucky story,,,i remember seeing ur stories pop up from time to time and then more frequent i guess that fits into the 33% of the work, thats too bad he didnt make it easy to produce for him

i agree, somehow it started off kinda weak but something u want to see is always better than nothing then it seemed to click and he put out really good stuff for what seemed like quite a while and then like with SHC ,,,kinda gave up for some reason and it was just not that good, maybe motivation dried up with innovation but hwat ever it was its a real shame and i wish it hadnt fallen off i was always willing to pay for what he produced till the last few year that is

but i will admit this right here and now, wren andrews was the reason i bought in, i knew it was the begining of the end when she finally showed her face without a mask, but the stories the costumes the hose her it was all top notch and when he branched out from her the first few models he chose were exceptional (arachnia/riddle=stunning, and the girl that played robin very sexy) i bought in the second i realized wren was back for a shoot it was dissapointing compared to the last one she had done before she seemingly retired but it was still her and good enough for me

anyway, the bottom line it started out amazing and ended badly and it sucks that its gone

happy 4th all

[robopope25]

I worked for Villain for almost six years (2000-2006) as a writer and later as a co-producer. By the end of 2005 I just couldn't work for a guy like that any longer. Not one more second. Everything he ever did was ego-related and he was a terrible boss. He liked what he liked and he never once really stopped to listen to anybody but his own personal muse. When he was making big bank it was CRAZY big (one year I was accidentally sent the P&L statement by his business partner) and he never bothered to share the credit or throw back a little for the people who worked for him and made next to nothing for doing 33% of that work. It was CRAZY money, the kind of insane profits that don't really exist anymore for SHiP producers because of oversaturation of the SHiP fetish and the spandex fetishists in general circa 2005-2008.

For instance, it wouldn't kill him to pay for an employee's airfare once a year, but he never did and he never offered and when I asked him to do it he never acknowledged the emails. When I did arrive, ready for work, I was picked up from the train station in an $80,000 Jaguar though that he couldn't afford three years ago. There was a certain frat-boy sneer he had in actions like that. I would've been happy with a small Christmas bonus or maybe some Amazon gift cards so that I could buy something nice for myself in acknowledgement of my work over the past twelve months.

Nothing.

Employees remember stuff like that. They always do. Treat others as you would like to be treated.

In contrast, my work with Vesta (2004-2012) was amazingly stress-free. I also ended up making way more via the hookups that I got through her and her company. Vesta takes care of her long-term employees. Airfare, hotels, big budgets, editorial freedom to create stories as I wanted and with next to no editorial oversight as long as it turns profits, and annual gifts for being a loyal, hardworking employee. It was the BOMB.

It was like apples and oranges between the two companies.

I remember you being most of the work at that time period. He'd sometimes slack off and let you do the bigger update.

It's not surprising he was a dick. The thing I liked about the site at the time is that it showed NO mercy to women. While other mixed fight sites back then had the women winning or in the event they did lose it was handled very gently, sooperhero.com did not give a FUCK. The bad guys took absolute glee in crushing the heroines, the heroines begged and pleaded and were generally made to look like fools before they were finished off. Most of the time the bad guy won fair and square with little to no doubt that he was superior to the heroine in every way. Even if the heroine did come back another day she suffered an even more humiliating loss, or was even killed. The patriot girl trilogy came to mind as she lost to the skull 3 times and each time was just a tad more brutal until the final one where he killed her and mailed her corpse to her dad. By the way who was that young blonde who always played the teen heroines anyway? he always seemed to get her completely nude and kill her in every story. I always thought he must hate her because she always really suffered.

But my point is it would take someone who was kind of a dick to put the level of brutality towards women so high so fast. We are all here because we like seeing heroines lose but in Villan's stories there was an extra sense of glee when she flopped to the ground. But see that is what made it work because he went all the way. There were times i was shocked at what he wrote because I couldn't believe he was going this dark, this mean spirited but it worked.

Wren Andrews was fantastic and if super heroine peril had a "miss Elizabeth' she was it. Especially the Omega Woman and powerwoman shoots. The first power woman shoot as blurry and ghetto as it is today....at the time jan.2000 it may have been the hottest thing I ever saw....ever. i also loved the girls who played Blue raider and spectra girl. Didn't spectragirl (in his words) get really fat so he told her to get lost? What happened to the blue raider?

Now that I read your take shakeshift i kinda get what happened to him. I think his biggest downfall was his videos. When i watch videos by Rye, NGC, Bluestone or paris kennedy there is a sense of respect not just for the girl getting beaten but also for the art of film making. These are people that like film making and peril, and they are trying to tell an interesting story and showcase these actors and actresses in the best light. Rye will have the girl get beaten, raped, murdered BUT she always looks like a million bucks. She always comes across like a superstar even if she's lying there dead as a bad guy ponders how hard he's gonna rape her corpse. Villan's videos were horrible. Cheesy 80s porn music, most of the videos were just a still shot of a girl wiggling. It was clear he had no love for the art of film making and was trying to up his content. More importantly he made the girls look bad in the videos. I think you can do anything you want to an actress as long as she looks like a star. Once you make your girls look like shit you've lost everyone.

[Shakeshift]

Ah Spectra Girl (or Starshine, depending on which side of the update you were looking at) played by the lovely Jill Danton. She got so fat that Villain canned her. She did put on quite a bit of weight in a very short amount of time. That girl was a ditz anyway. :(

[theScribbler]

This takes me back. I helped out for Superheroines' Demise too from around the time he started, 1998? 1999?, to late 2003 or early 2004. I helped out with art contributions to my artist gallery there, and I did the first flying Wren photoshop work (Villain redid a couple himself), the tormenting convulsion room (made to look somewhat like ST hallodeck per Villains' idea) complete with photoshop outer glows, and other photoshop stuff. I got free membership out of it for a number of years.

Villain also paid for my first free site, located at his domain super-heroines.com, which is where I got my 'Dash' character's name (a whiles before the INVINCIBLES movie). He canned that free site after 6 months. Guess I suck at marketing!

But that turned into a blessing in disguise when Superheroines.com offered to host me, and my next free site was born. And since the webmaster/owner was local, I got to work at some of his photo sessions, and took on the job of photographer for a couple of projects, and writer, and post fx work, besides basically being a PA when he was directing his photo shoots and video shoots. Also funded a couple projects of my own that Blindrysling helped organize: a super-spy video with Anastasia Pierce, and a scifi photo shoot with Isabella Camille. Both done in 2004 that most have not seen. Maybe someday.

I'm grateful to both those guys, tho Villain stopped liking me when I helped out at Superheroines.com. Guess I can't blame him!

Ahh, history.

[robopope25]

Superheroine's demise also used to get alot of coverage when people did articles and blogs about what sick fucks we were back in the day. I could only find one but i recall there being a ton of them. Some of those articles were pretty funny. i can just imagine the collective poop some of the sensitive types took when someone showed them some photo sets.

[staggerlee]

Does anyone know the name of the actress that did the Arachnia shoot as well as Nightengale? Super hot blonde babe, but I've only seen her in the SD vids/photoshoots they did?

And yes, it's a complete shame they went down the tubes as they have... used to be so good.

[Heroine Addict]

Does anyone know the name of the actress that did the Arachnia shoot as well as Nightengale? Super hot blonde babe, but I've only seen her in the SD vids/photoshoots they did?

And yes, it's a complete shame they went down the tubes as they have... used to be so good.

I thought these characters were played by Jana Cova, but it turns out Chloe James was the model.

http://www.sooperhero.com/homenightengale.htm

It's sad to see all the girls who no longer appear on that site. Villain must have worked with so much talent over the years, yet Jordana Leigh is the only professional model who will show her face in his videos anymore.

[Shakeshift]

I never thought he worked with big names. He mostly worked with no-namers so that he could get away with more. The only professional names that come to mind are Savannah Costello, Chloe James, Jordana Leigh, and Candace Nirvana. To me, Savannah is the only one that strikes me as a top name out of that group. There's no Diana Knight, Christina Carter, Paris Kennedy, Anastasia Pierce, Stacy Burke, Darla Crane, or Jewel Marceau on that list.

It's funny, because his recruitment method to get regular women to put on spandex and become superheroes was one that he taught me back in 1999, and I still use it (quite effectively) to recruit fetish models even in 2013. Like him, it fails to work on girls for long periods of time, but it's very good for the short-term enlistment. It just goes to show that everyone can learn something from someone.

[mikeyh]

Loved the stories with Jae. Wish could seeing them again. Too bad you can't do more stories with her

[Shakeshift]

She was a lovely one. Jae lives in New York now. I was going to do some work with her at the same time that I was working again with the lovely Elizabeth Bethany-Black (who played Alita Prime) in 2010 and I was going to have Alita Prime meet Starshine for the first time in a "When Worlds Collide" sort of format. We only got one day of shooting done when Jae's dickhead lawyer/husband (and manager) pretty much put a stop to the whole video production by demanding more money for Jae and getting it upfront. I turned him down and Elizabeth and I watched in shock as he marched his wife Jae right off the property. Jae looked so embarrassed as her husband went off on this steroid-fueled rant/rage.

Three months later the dickhead lawyer also served me with legal papers basically barring me from releasing or distributing the content I had already paid for because he was her manager and he required final approval of all Jae's projects to make them legally binding. He also unfriended me and my company on her Facebook and Twitter accounts. The last I know Jae's working as a financial consultant (and part-time art model) in New York, but that was over a year ago.

[ttb51m]

ahh as the heroine turns

on todays episode ultra girls long lost belived dead twin siter returns with a terrible secret from beyond the grave that will change things forever, nighthawk, has a routine check up after an extra long sweaty sexy and particulary nasty defeat has a scare when an OBGYN delivers shocking news that will change things forever and a fresh faced new woman arives dressed as wundergirl with a dark secret from the past that will change things forever,,,,unless her ass hole husband/manager manages to F-it up for everyone and the whole show has to be shelved till he gets his money for doing nothing but domineering his significant other who he probably doesnt even deserve


ill still tune in though,,,just in case

[HeroineFanboy]

There are a few things about Superheroine's Demise that I feel are lost on current producers:

(1) As someone pointed out, by using one-off no-name models, Villain could really push the limit on what he asked them to do. I feel we're stuck with a lot of PG fare these days, such as Heroine Legends and NGC (and even Rye these days) in large part because the models they use are unwilling to truly depict themselves in perilous situations. There's obviously a market for the lighter stuff, but it's sad to think that Superheroine's Demise, the very site that sparked the genre, was the height of PG-13/R rated superheroine peril.

(2) Once again, the use of one-off no-name models gave Villain's superheroines a "girl-next-door" appeal. There's just something sexy about a "normal" girl transforming into a scantily clad superheroine that doesn't quite resonate with the professional models used by other producers. It really gave the illusion that maybe the girl in your college class or the secretary at work might secretly masquerade at night in thigh-high boots, a high-cut leotard and a mask.

(3) Villain hit the nail on the head when it came to combining humiliation with his peril. This is just something I don't see anymore. For example, look at Patriot Girl 3. Nowadays, the Skull would have thrown Patriot Girl against a wall, she would have sprung back up and continued to fight him in a balletic display of fight choreography. But back then, Patriot Girl didn't just hit the wall, she flew right threw it, then she got stuck in the hole she had created, so her spandex-clad ass wiggled around to the Skull's delight while she pulled herself free. Another example -- in the Chameleon Girl story arch, when the titular character transformed into Wren Andrews and the Dragon overpowered her, he didn't just tie her up as we see countless times in modern productions. Rather, he bound her by lodging a suspended wooden rod through the sleeves of her spandex costume. This exploited the heroine's costume in an imaginative way so that the more she struggled to break free, the more the briefs wedged painfully inside her ass and the lips of her vagina. Little details like these made all the difference. I so wish producers would bring back this kind of humiliation and combine it with the peril.

(4) Some have rightly criticized Villain's shoddy video productions, but what about his pioneering use of still photography? We don't have that anymore, yet it created a far greater visceral thrill than anything today. Why is that? Moving pictures are often the slave of the model's acting talents, or lack thereof. In still pictures, Villain could capture the perfect expression of shame, terror, arousal -- whatever it may be -- and freeze it in time for our enjoyment. It didn't matter if his models had no acting talent -- in fact, I'm sure they didn't. He could make them look like bonafide Olivier's of the peril genre simply by firing away his camera until he captured the perfect image. In addition, the still pictures invited you to fill in the details with your imagination -- a far more erotic proposition than being force-fed the peril in the moving pictures of today's producers.

(5) For what it's worth, while Villain's current updates might be atrocious, he still provides the most bang for your buck. While other producers ask $29.99 for a 30 minute (or less) video, Villain provides monthly access to a 16 year back-catalog for nearly the same price.

So here's hoping someone steps into Villain's boots. It's a shame that Superheroine's Demise and Superheroine Central have seen their heyday. The only producers out there that really capture the tone of these two pioneers, in my opinion, are Punished Heroines and Giga.

[rayman]

Does anyone know the name of the actress that did the Arachnia shoot as well as Nightengale? Super hot blonde babe, but I've only seen her in the SD vids/photoshoots they did?

And yes, it's a complete shame they went down the tubes as they have... used to be so good.

I am pretty sure Arachnia was played by Chloe James, she was one of my favourites as she had a lovely toned physique and was also stunningly beautiful.

[RedMountain]

There are a few things about Superheroine's Demise that I feel are lost on current producers:

(1) As someone pointed out, by using one-off no-name models, Villain could really push the limit on what he asked them to do. I feel we're stuck with a lot of PG fare these days, such as Heroine Legends and NGC (and even Rye these days) in large part because the models they use are unwilling to truly depict themselves in perilous situations. There's obviously a market for the lighter stuff, but it's sad to think that Superheroine's Demise, the very site that sparked the genre, was the height of PG-13/R rated superheroine peril.

(2) Once again, the use of one-off no-name models gave Villain's superheroines a "girl-next-door" appeal. There's just something sexy about a "normal" girl transforming into a scantily clad superheroine that doesn't quite resonate with the professional models used by other producers. It really gave the illusion that maybe the girl in your college class or the secretary at work might secretly masquerade at night in thigh-high boots, a high-cut leotard and a mask.

(3) Villain hit the nail on the head when it came to combining humiliation with his peril. This is just something I don't see anymore. For example, look at Patriot Girl 3. Nowadays, the Skull would have thrown Patriot Girl against a wall, she would have sprung back up and continued to fight him in a balletic display of fight choreography. But back then, Patriot Girl didn't just hit the wall, she flew right threw it, then she got stuck in the hole she had created, so her spandex-clad ass wiggled around to the Skull's delight while she pulled herself free. Another example -- in the Chameleon Girl story arch, when the titular character transformed into Wren Andrews and the Dragon overpowered her, he didn't just tie her up as we see countless times in modern productions. Rather, he bound her by lodging a suspended wooden rod through the sleeves of her spandex costume. This exploited the heroine's costume in an imaginative way so that the more she struggled to break free, the more the briefs wedged painfully inside her ass and the lips of her vagina. Little details like these made all the difference. I so wish producers would bring back this kind of humiliation and combine it with the peril.

(4) Some have rightly criticized Villain's shoddy video productions, but what about his pioneering use of still photography? We don't have that anymore, yet it created a far greater visceral thrill than anything today. Why is that? Moving pictures are often the slave of the model's acting talents, or lack thereof. In still pictures, Villain could capture the perfect expression of shame, terror, arousal -- whatever it may be -- and freeze it in time for our enjoyment. It didn't matter if his models had no acting talent -- in fact, I'm sure they didn't. He could make them look like bonafide Olivier's of the peril genre simply by firing away his camera until he captured the perfect image. In addition, the still pictures invited you to fill in the details with your imagination -- a far more erotic proposition than being force-fed the peril in the moving pictures of today's producers.

(5) For what it's worth, while Villain's current updates might be atrocious, he still provides the most bang for your buck. While other producers ask $29.99 for a 30 minute (or less) video, Villain provides monthly access to a 16 year back-catalog for nearly the same price.

So here's hoping someone steps into Villain's boots. It's a shame that Superheroine's Demise and Superheroine Central have seen their heyday. The only producers out there that really capture the tone of these two pioneers, in my opinion, are Punished Heroines and Giga.

I agree with most of your points, the photo sets were awesome and it had something for everyone with the peril. The heroines actually took a beating and there was no limit to how far the villains could go. I also agree if someone hasn't been to the site it's worth paying for a month to download all of the old content, as there is a treasure trove of archived stuff there, which is something I wish SHC would do instead of having that rotating 8-week crap where you can't access any of their older stuff unless you pay an arm and a leg in their store.

That having been said, SHC has been going downhill for a long time. At one point it got so bad that I don't believe he could get any models to work with him and has been using his wife who refuses to show her face, which is why so many videos and photo sets feature the full mask costumes or just shots of the heroine from the neck down.

[Shakeshift]

Let's also not forget that at the height of his hubris, Villain was charging $35/month for monthly access. This was as memberships to his site were dropping like rocks, so the cost of the membership went up in response to that so his profit levels wouldn't be heavily impacted. He quickly changed his rate to $30/month when people balked at 35, and $30/mo was where it stayed for a very long time in spite of the slow degradation of the site's quality.

[robopope25]

Yes the art of a good photset has been lost. Some of Villain's pieces were almost artist. It really captured the essence of evil triumphing over good.

It's a shame it had to happen like this.

[theScribbler]

People still like photo series sets? I wonder if it's many people. I really don't know. Video seems to have taken over.

[Camvoy]

Demise was part of my introduction to this crazy little Perilverse we call home, along with Central and (first and foremost) the Fighting Females article about Sisterhood. So for me, there's always that.

[Deceiver]

People still like photo series sets? I wonder if it's many people. I really don't know. Video seems to have taken over.

Bigger bandwidths...

[Mr. X]

People still like photo series sets? I wonder if it's many people. I really don't know. Video seems to have taken over.

I think you're right about video taking over. However, often I prefer photo sets because many productions are sub-par (e.g the acting, effects, or story). With a photo set, there's more freedom to view at your own pace and have your interpretation of events.

I was surprised as well that photo sets sell. In fact I should put more up. Plus one can touch up photo sets easily enough.

[HeroineFanboy]

I enjoy photos when they are put together to resemble an actual comic book (i.e. with panels, word balloons, etc). I do not enjoy a random selection of disconnected photos. But yes, a photo set would be my preference to videos, simply because it eliminates the crap acting by most peril actresses and can give the producer more creative freedom (in terms of budget, storytelling and presentation of the material). I would love to see a resurgence of the photo set!

[DefeatedHeroines]

There are a few things about Superheroine's Demise that I feel are lost on current producers:

(1) As someone pointed out, by using one-off no-name models, Villain could really push the limit on what he asked them to do. I feel we're stuck with a lot of PG fare these days, such as Heroine Legends and NGC (and even Rye these days) in large part because the models they use are unwilling to truly depict themselves in perilous situations. There's obviously a market for the lighter stuff, but it's sad to think that Superheroine's Demise, the very site that sparked the genre, was the height of PG-13/R rated superheroine peril.

Hopefully I'll be able to add another producer to the list of R-rated content! Only a few more weeks before my first release… once it's out, you can let me know if it helps fill the void!!!

[GMan2]

I always felt Villain burnt himself out. MrX. said it very well early in this topic, "candy store owners hate candy after awhile." Villian's material seemed like it was just the same exact thing...week after week. Like he couldn't come up with a new idea at all. Like he was burnt out on the whole thing. *Shrugs* I don't know. Just seemed like that. And then he spread himself over something like 4 or 5 different sites. Spandex Playground, Live Anime, FemWars, Invincible Angels, and of course Sooperhero. They were all his, and all updating weekly.

So I'd imagine trying to maintain all those sites, come up with different story lines for Space creatures, then for fans of Anime, then Female Doms, etc....oh, and get married and have a kid tossed in....probably just sucked a bunch of energy out of him. LOL! So 12-13 yrs maintaining a site? I'd say the guy deserves a medal.

[HeroineFanboy]

@Defeated Heroines - I'm pleased to see that you're involved enough with this site to seek out more obscure threads, like this one, and reply. It gives me hope that you will deliver on the hype, although I remain cautiously optimistic. I believe you are working with Heroine Legends, which could turn out to be a bad or good thing, depending on the final product. On one hand, I admire the quality of HL's fight choreography and cinematic technique. But on the other hand, I've never felt HL has provided anything that we couldn't see in an old episode of "Black Scorpion" or a similar mainstream heroine adventure. I think you would do yourself a favor to join Superheroine's Demise for a month and research how Villain succeeded with his earlier work. If you were able to capture the tone and uncompromising intensity of his work, but in a live-action video, then I think you would really have something special.

@GMan2 - I'm not sure what else Villain does to earn a living, but if he's married with a child, then maybe it's time for him to sell his website to someone who could continue the success that he originally managed to capture.

[Shakeshift]

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and venture the idea that Defeated Heroines & Heroine Legends are just one person with two different online personae. There are ways that you can tell. I'm guessing it's just an act. But you know... whatever.

[Jeff Spangler]

Ahh, the site that popped my superheroine fetish cherry.

[Bugsy]

Shakeshift has the best stories to tell!!!!!!!

[DefeatedHeroines]

@Defeated Heroines - I'm pleased to see that you're involved enough with this site to seek out more obscure threads, like this one, and reply. It gives me hope that you will deliver on the hype, although I remain cautiously optimistic. I believe you are working with Heroine Legends, which could turn out to be a bad or good thing, depending on the final product. On one hand, I admire the quality of HL's fight choreography and cinematic technique. But on the other hand, I've never felt HL has provided anything that we couldn't see in an old episode of "Black Scorpion" or a similar mainstream heroine adventure. I think you would do yourself a favor to join Superheroine's Demise for a month and research how Villain succeeded with his earlier work. If you were able to capture the tone and uncompromising intensity of his work, but in a live-action video, then I think you would really have something special.

For sure! I'm totally into what I'm producing here. Logan being a part of my film-making is a good thing for me. I'm hoping that the success of his site carries over to mine! I like his stuff… I do think it took him a lot of trying things out til he finally got it, or got what he has now, but you know, he's gotta deal with being PC all the time with mainstream people. I'm going adult with things so I just kinda do what I wanna do. We shot the 1st film already and I guess we'll see how everyone likes it but I'm stoked with the way it looks so far! I've got a whole storyline planned out so I'm excited to put out some videos and hopefully everyone will like the product… I said it somewhere else, but I'm gonna be producing films for myself more than anyone else and it'll just be a matter of seeing who out there likes what I like!! Like my avatar… sexy as hell…

[robopope25]

Is anyone still a member? i went there feeling nostalgic and it said the last update was in april! Is that all she wrote?

[Richpartist]

Sooperhero was one of the first web sites I can remember "helping" along this fetish and that was the day when we bought our videos in vhs

[shevek]

I also used to be a fan of Superheroines' Demise. My favorite story was Chloe James as Nightingale. I still have full-color printouts of a bunch of those stories. At the time, that was the hottest stuff you could see.

I know most of these comments were from 3 years ago (and it's funny to see those posts from Defeated Heroines!)..but I think at this point there are a bunch of newer hardcore SHIP producers such as XXXtremecomiXXX and so on.

[xxxwarriorxxx]

Jill Danton was my favorite- I wonder what happened to her- she never did a chloro scene however.

[shvillian12]

Wren Andrews was the best, villians photo sets with her as power woman were amazing

[xxxwarriorxxx]

Yea, Wren was fantastic!

[Shakeshift]

Jill Danton did one chloroforming scene, it was for a Starshine/WW photostory which never got published on the site for some reason relating to inter-company politics. I wrote it in 2000 or 2001 for the site and it got shot, but it never got released.

Jill Danton was a bit of a drama queen btw and I never understood all of the indescribable fan love for her. She was pretty, but her weight fluctuated wildly and she was very flaky to work with. I still keep in touch with her after finding her on Facebook and she's so much different now in mindset. She's barely aged even though sixteen years have passed.

[xxxwarriorxxx]

I always thought she was cute as Starshine- she played the part great! Have any of those pics?? I remember when you wrote for them, that was in their heyday. They had some decent models. I enjoyed the Nighthawk Series with Tina Crause/Mia Copia as they called her.

[thecatsuit]

robopope25 - I've tried logging in but the website itself seems to have issues; when you login it gives you a blank page with the following text.

Can't locate /hsphere/local/home/span89pl/sooperhero.com/sentry//admin/shared/setups.dat in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at sentry.cgi line 41.

[TIEnTEEZ]

He should really re-edit all the parts into full-length features and sell them on C4S. There are some I saw on there years ago that I would buy just to have them in my collection.

[robopope25]

When I cancelled my subscription it got so bad. it's like he went out of his way to have blurry photos. It's funny too because I honestly feel superheroine sleepy-ko-peril stuff is way more accepted now than it was in 2000. Like he had these world class productions back when this was a fetish NO ONE talked about and as more and more people accepted it as something that's not that strange...he somehow got horrible at making it.

[Heroine Addict]

You know how the Amish are happy with innovations up until 1850-ish, but have a problem with anything after that? I get the impression that SHD's Villain and SHC's DanO feel that way about everything after 1999.

They seem stuck in this primitive world of blocky MPEG-2 videos, dial-up connections and crudely-designed websites. Perhaps they're scratching their heads, wondering why AltaVista stopped working? Somebody needs to send them a fax or a pager message with basic instructions for getting back online. Say it's from Ask Jeeves. They'll probably trust that.

[Shakeshift]

I'll throw in some photos from that shoot but I'm cropping them and not doing the chloroform pics because once you start down that path of sharing photos that you don't legally own the rights to, it just gets complicated and messy. Jill has been retired for fifteen and a half years now, it's time to let her go lol.

[Shakeshift]

The Nighthawk series was really good. I worked with Tina Krause again years later in Tampa when I was working for the fine, fine people at Fetishcon. They had me shoot Tina for a site of theirs called Bedroom Bondage. Even though it was six years later it was like nothing had changed lol. My favorite was Wren Andrews as Omega Woman, and I know she had such a commanding lead in popularity that even #2 in popularity was like..... wayyyyyyy in the back. Wren was the #1 draw, hands down.

[shvillian12]

thanks for the pics Shakeshift, no doubt Wren was the best.

[Mr. X]

You know how the Amish are happy with innovations up until 1850-ish, but have a problem with anything after that? I get the impression that SHD's Villain and SHC's DanO feel that way about everything after 1999.

They seem stuck in this primitive world of blocky MPEG-2 videos, dial-up connections and crudely-designed websites. Perhaps they're scratching their heads, wondering why AltaVista stopped working? Somebody needs to send them a fax or a pager message with basic instructions for getting back online. Say it's from Ask Jeeves. They'll probably trust that.

I don't think Dan O is. I know his issues and he's not "feel that way about everything after 1999".

"They seem stuck in this primitive world of blocky MPEG-2 videos"

Accommodating the lowest common denominator is not a bad business strategy. And given Dan O has not released video lately his use of video format would obviously be outdated.

"dial-up connections"

And how is load speeds on slower network celphones working out?

"crudely-designed websites"

Until you get a email from foreign customers with web browsers that don't even support frames complaining about not seeing certain pages please try to understand the situation better. Not everyone has JAVA script activated and for good reason. Also load times for complex pages goes up dramatically. Cel phone users don't have a lot of band width. SHC still works fine on a portable device. And customers want to see the content not fancy web pages that have no value add to the experience.

How many people do you know have ad blocker on? Turned off Java script? Block Visual basic? View these sites on cel phones? Show me subscription web site that has the fancy new system you think Dan O should upgrade to. I'd love to see it then I'll try accessing it on my Galaxy Tab or android.