Adult Material

[CustomSuperheroines]

We are coming close to filming (early August) of our adult content site, Angels of Rapture, and I'd like some feedback based on what I've seen. A lot of the adult content to me simply looks like porn. The scenarios don't come across to me as perilous - they just look more like a scene where 2 models are dressed up in costumes and semi-acting out a sex scene that may have begun with an intro that resembled a superhero/comic setup. I was under the impression that the fetish is less about being obvious about the fetish and those it consists of and more about taking content that could be PG-13 and allowing the scenario to go a few steps further into a more sexual nature via torture or humiliation of sorts that is still acted out in character. Am I wrong in this respect?

[rayman]

Personally I feel the same Logan I would much rather watch what could be a PG 13 movie taken a few steps further so it contains at least topless nudity, more sexually suggestive content and touching, teasing foreplay like content rather than a porn scene hopelessly trying to pass itself off as a superheroine scene.

If full on sex has to be shown then I like it to have drama and peril in the scene not just a hot girl wearing a superheroine releated outfit getting pouneded and patheitically moaning about what is happening to her when even the most innocent superheroine would clearly know what was happening to her LOL!

But I know I am in the minirity after several discussions on this subject.

[Blx]

Well, this is always a tricky subject because the flavors are so different for everyone. However, what you are describing is exactly the way I feel about it. I don't care about the girl in the costume that much I guess, I care more about the adventure, the heroics, the perils and all that. All the videos that I buy and watch most of the time are about this. An adult themed superheroine film should not, in my opinion, be about the sex or the tits. Those are just instruments to give a film more of an adult flavor, but the main thing should be the story. Not about costumed girls doing some porn.

So yeah, I think you're on the right track, at least for me. I watched your previous adult videos and I thought they really did this right. In some other aspects it might've been a bit lacking, but I think those films got the Superheroine theme right. Nudity or sex is an instrument to be used when needed in the storyline (humiliation, torture), not as a gimmick. It's a shame you never were able to continue those films.

But hey that's just me. For example The Rye's Punished Heroines videos are a bit more about the sex, but the productions and everything around it are excellently done so they are hugely popular too.

[EvilDaria]

It is a fine line to tread.
We all know that the inevitable consequence of a (super)heroine being defeated is that her enemies will exact their revenge, so the peril that runs through every story is heightened by this anticipation - there's more at stake for her than just stopping the bomb, freeing a hostage or stopping Pauline being bisected by the buzz saw! She faces the humiliation of being man-handled, of being powerless (literally or metaphorically), and of course raped and tortured. It is a graduated scale that in movie classification terms runs from PG all the way to XXX.
HL has long conveyed the idea that the story's context was most important and I think that there is a justification for extending the perils further along this curve. The real question is what and how much you show.
The amateur gynaecologists out there have their producers and many do a good job of delivering their bangs-for-bucks content. I do not buy any of these movies for that reason alone, as my interest is in the superheroine, her struggles, capture and defeat or final victory. It is always the story that matters. So tear her costume from her, whip her back red-raw, explore her "crevices" to her shock and humiliation if you have to, but just tell me a good story, please.

[Void]

I think people take an interest in this general genre for so many different reasons that there won't be a catch-all answer for what it is people want. If you like porn and you like super-heroine-in-peril scenarios, then obviously the two being mixed will do quite well, even if the former is only present a tiny bit - or the latter, actually. In any case it would be a mistake to try and summarise the 'fetish' as being anything, since it will mean different things to different folks.

That being said, I would honestly be pushed quite hard if I had to tell you if I was more interested in the story being credible and authentically heroine-like, or if I'd be more interested in seeing those extra steps taken to see the content and perils that most areas of any kind of fiction will go nowhere near. If the latter is lacking, then it is at best a stilted attempt at all the mainstream stuff that currently exists, perhaps with some fun ideas that spice it up over the content it imps; while if the former is lacking... that detracts from the experience, for sure, but my imagination will probably do some leg-work to help it out. Yes, I'm in this for the clash of genuine heroines with genuine peril, and I *really* want it to be authentic like it is in a proper story, but I want to see all that good stuff taken over in the direction that only my imagination could project onto the actual real content that currently exists - otherwise there's no bite to it, not for me. You talk about a few steps further than the PG-13 stuff goes, but I'm more interested in a few steps more than that, I guess, where the credible heroine is credibly beaten in a credible narrative, and is then credibly subverted by decidedly grown-up, yet still credible, means.

I suppose my issue here would be with the implication you can get one or the other. Either it's racy graphic content, or it is story-based genuine narrative - when presumably the holy grail is mixing the two. Again just speaking from my own perspective; I think there are probably legions of people who just want to see credible heroine action going *slightly* further than you see in the mainstream, just as there are legions of people wanting to see *barely* credible action going into straight porn. Chalk me down the middle somewhere, where story matters a great deal but is immediately disqualified if it isn't actually an adult story.

[Masmune]

I agree with Void. I am into the story, characters, peril, etc BUT I like there to be sexual content as well. I would say that my ideal would be 75-80% story/characters/physical peril and ending with 20-25% (IN COSTUME) sexual stuff. That's just sort of rough and everyone has different opinions, but like Void I am still searching for that "holy grail."

I don't want just costumed porn, but I don't want PG-13 either.

I know I'm difficult.

[Dragon1]

I think it is easy do not make it porn the sex should have meaning to the actors if it is to degrade then it should degrade if it is to force pleasure then it should be pleasure that looks like it is against the will. The reason most looks like porn has to do with bad acting and poor reason. I know one studio that has done a good job with that balance and it raises the bar on the sexual peril.

[CustomSuperheroines]

All good feedback here, guys! I'm definitely looking to make the productions very similar to what I already do, but bring that sexual peril to a whole new level I've not been able to reach before with mainstream actresses. I feel there's a void for quality material in that range and I know we can bring that to the table here. I have a lot of PG-13 fans and I wouldn't abandon those fans so theSuperheroines.com won't change much, but this will add a whole other catalogue of different content to watch. I'm excited to start filming the new series!

[theScribbler]

There's hardly a void for quality adult superheroine material. Have you checked out the Latest Superheroine Releases forum? It's loaded with them.

They're also discussed in the Superheroine Lounge forum...if I could just remember where that is.

http://www.punishedheroines.com/

http://www.zfx-shockwavevideo.com/ZFX-B ... movie.html

http://www.akiba-web.com/

http://www.christinacaptured.com/eclips.html

plus AnastasiaPierce, KendraJames, RandyMoore, BondageCafe, and many others...

That doesn't mean there's not room for more in the non-void. Curious why you think this'll work out better than DefeatedHeroines did?

[CustomSuperheroines]

There's hardly a void for quality adult superheroine material. Have you checked out the Latest Superheroine Releases forum? It's loaded with them.

They're also discussed in the Superheroine Lounge forum...if I could just remember where that is.

http://www.punishedheroines.com/

http://www.zfx-shockwavevideo.com/ZFX-B ... movie.html

http://www.akiba-web.com/

http://www.christinacaptured.com/eclips.html

plus AnastasiaPierce, KendraJames, RandyMoore, BondageCafe, and many others...

That doesn't mean there's not room for more in the non-void. Curious why you think this'll work out better than DefeatedHeroines did?

There was a creativity conflict with Defeated Heroines. This project is 100% my own. And when I say void, it's for a very specific niche in that genre you mentioned with very specific parameters. Everyone you listed goes a bit farther into the adult realm than I intend to go with my films... so they aren't really comparable. Defeated Heroines actually did very well - it just wasn't worth continuing with the current agreement the way things were. I will continue to sell DH on my new site since I own the rights. If Angels of Rapture does half as well as my PG-13 content, we will be just fine. Just retesting the waters.

[theScribbler]

Yeah, I get that. I also had creativity problems with my alter-ego Mason Punter. I was like: I'm glad I came up with you as an alias for producing adult material, but now I'm seeing you in all kinds of places I didn't expect; rooms with mirrors, or reflective windows, or reflective TV screens. It was getting spooky. But when Mason wanted to start posting in orange instead of blue, that was the last straw. Dropped him like a hot potato. But recently I heard he started a kickstarter campaign for making potato salad, and is doing quite well, so good for him.

[CustomSuperheroines]

...right.

[drh1966]

A lot of the adult content to me simply looks like porn. The scenarios don't come across to me as perilous - they just look more like a scene where 2 models are dressed up in costumes and semi-acting out a sex scene that may have begun with an intro that resembled a superhero/comic setup.

That's because it is. Seems to me some of the model/producers just want to play around with their friends on camera (I won't name names but some of you can probably guess), throw on a costume and presto! Sell it to the superheroine fans.

I was under the impression that the fetish is less about being obvious about the fetish and those it consists of and more about taking content that could be PG-13 and allowing the scenario to go a few steps further...

This is what I'm looking for. The What If scenario; what mainstream film and tv couldn't or wouldn't give us. Like the Fausta scene. WW drops through the trapdoor into the waiting arms of the Nazi thug. The chloro rag is placed over her mouth and nose incapacitating her. There is going to be a few minutes where he is alone with his helpless prisoner while the show on stage finishes up. What does he do? Hot chick in a sexy costume completely at his mercy. After that, she's moved to the car. Again, more opportunity. The flight to Germany after? And it goes on. This is what I want to see.

[robyn]

Yeah, I get that. I also had creativity problems with my alter-ego Mason Punter. I was like: I'm glad I came up with you as an alias for producing adult material, but now I'm seeing you in all kinds of places I didn't expect; rooms with mirrors, or reflective windows, or reflective TV screens. It was getting spooky. But when Mason wanted to start posting in orange instead of blue, that was the last straw. Dropped him like a hot potato. But recently I heard he started a kickstarter campaign for making potato salad, and is doing quite well, so good for him.

I hope you're not implying that Jason Hunter is NOT a real man?! He's on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JasonHunterfanpage he has his own fan page and it has 231 Likes. I met him the other day and he was like "Hi! I'm Lo...Jason." He was pretty cool.

Ahhh, I'm only messing around, I love Logans stuff and cannot wait to see what nasty things hes got planned. I hope that people who believe in Jason Hunter go on believing, he can be a beacon for the superheroine genre. Like him or not ::an abstract idea:: he did it his way.

To help out with the original question, keep the costume on as long as you can, definitely post penetration.

[CustomSuperheroines]

Lol love the fan page... I should Like it. I'll let Jason know. He can like it too.

I guess my question is this: if I created an alternate persona to create adult material, then why am I not using it now? You kinda completely backtracked on that one - the company stayed the same and I openly announced my involvement with the series when we did it last year.

It doesn't really matter - it's like the olden days of AOL chatrooms. People say things bc they think their opinion is fact.

Anyway, we had a final fitting with Layla yesterday so her costume is finished. We will be working on the male costumes and hiring one more female to act as the lead villainess as well.

Also, there's no male nudity or penetration if any kind in this series. It's not going to go past softcore just so you guys know what to expect.

[robyn]

Oh so many reasons, you thought you might get found out, you came to the conclusion that particular project wouldn't taint you, regret at doing something that is morally wrong, I don't know... pick one of them or another you might like. I don't even want to talk about this man, I was just having a joke with another guy who CLEARLY noticed. Don't worry, most people will read this and just be like "Huh? I don't get it." We could be doing this over PM for all they know or care. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR NEW VENTURE ok?

So, no cock. Okay. Topless? Simulated sex? I still say that you should try to keep costumes on as long as you can, but boobs can come out about half-time.

[CustomSuperheroines]

Softcore at times, nudity, costume stays on most of the time unless the script calls for it for whatever reason to not be on... We want to be able to take the fetishes and the situations a bit farther without restrictions on the actress' behalf. Whichever ones I place are on me, but this allows the stories to go places we want them to go.

Female villains will be hypersexual so that will be fun... I'll start reaching out for ideas soon - we film the first film with Layla in early August

[sugarcoater]

I think the reason I like the adult material (but not too much explicit stuff--the complete nudity is a turn-off for me) is because it's the one area into which we NEVER see mainstream heroines placed. Wonder Woman, Supergirl, and any other major mainstream heroines are never placed into sexual peril because of a number of reasons (risk of losing $ by not being mainstream, PC matters, directors unfairly accused of being misogynist, etc.).
This is why I really value this genre and the producers who took the chances to create such amazing material.
The other reason for the adult situation is because taking certain liberties with a weakened and/or incapacitated heroine is the ultimate humiliation of the heroine. The fight sequence is a key part, but the final humiliation is the coup de maitre. Part of it is the male fantasy of having his way with a powerful, beautiful heroine.
As a final touch, I always like it when the heroine gives in to her lust as it's the final barrier to her complete humiliation. By giving in to her lust, the heroine is debased by her own acceptance. I would really like to see more of that aspect.

Perhaps as a compromise between the PG-13, R, and X fans, the videos would be released with 80% of the content intact, then an added 10% for the R fans and another 10% for the X fans.

[Masmune]

@theScribbler I respectfully disagree... or perhaps where I see a void you see a niche. I have yet to find a site that offers the high production values of Logan, HM, NGC, or Rye (just a few examples) with explicit sexual content. And as sugarcoater indicates, it's important that she remains (at least partly) in costume.

So, Logan, I think what you're proposing could really work... at least assuming there are others like me.

[CustomSuperheroines]

@theScribbler I respectfully disagree... or perhaps where I see a void you see a niche. I have yet to find a site that offers the high production values of Logan, HM, NGC, or Rye (just a few examples) with explicit sexual content. And as sugarcoater indicates, it's important that she remains (at least partly) in costume.

So, Logan, I think what you're proposing could really work... at least assuming there are others like me.

At least I'm not the only one who sees this "area of opportunity" as I'll call it (since void was such a debatable term lol) I just hired my 2nd actress whom I'm extremely excited to start working with! She will be in the 2nd episode - time to get her an Evil Supergirl costume!!

[CustomSuperheroines]

There's hardly a void for quality adult superheroine material. Have you checked out the Latest Superheroine Releases forum? It's loaded with them.

They're also discussed in the Superheroine Lounge forum...if I could just remember where that is.

http://www.punishedheroines.com/

http://www.zfx-shockwavevideo.com/ZFX-B ... movie.html

http://www.akiba-web.com/

http://www.christinacaptured.com/eclips.html

plus AnastasiaPierce, KendraJames, RandyMoore, BondageCafe, and many others...

That doesn't mean there's not room for more in the non-void. Curious why you think this'll work out better than DefeatedHeroines did?

This.

For a guy who has a company called "Cross The Line" Films, he does anything but. It's going to be the same old thing, new packaging. Getting old. I will be one of the first to buy it if you actually make "adult" material. Exxtreme comics does adult with costumes.

Well, first, the same old thing you speak of is working for us and for the fans who don't want the PG-13 site to change. And it won't.

And Cross the Line Entertainment is not the company that will be producing the new material. Rapture Entertainment will be. Does that make a bit of difference to most of you? No. Because it's still me producing the content. But for me, it's a distinction between limitations of where I can go with the content.

It's all talk until I release the first film. Then we can talk direction.

[viking]

I believe Logan's plan will be very successful. He may not be "crossing a line", but he has certainly raised the bar for all aspects of super heroine video productions.

[CustomSuperheroines]

I believe Logan's plan will be very successful. He may not be "crossing a line", but he has certainly raised the bar for all aspects of super heroine video productions.

Nope, not crossing any crazy lines on the PG-13 side, but the R side, we will definitely have some fun. Just ordered the male villain costumes today.

I have a fitting with 2 of the actresses - one today and one tomorrow... going to be fun!

[theScribbler]

I believe Logan's plan will be very successful. He may not be "crossing a line", but he has certainly raised the bar for all aspects of super heroine video productions.

Raised the bar!?


Rye, Alex Bettinger, Christina Carter have been way ahead for years. Even Superheroinecentral would be if they had shot in HiDef.

[Mr. X]

I believe Logan's plan will be very successful. He may not be "crossing a line", but he has certainly raised the bar for all aspects of super heroine video productions.

Raised the bar!?


Rye, Alex Bettinger, Christina Carter have been way ahead for years. Even Superheroinecentral would be if they had shot in HiDef.

Just a slight correction but SHC was in business before HD cams were commercially available. Believe me we would have loved HD and we bought an HD cam as soon as it came out.

[theScribbler]

I believe Logan's plan will be very successful. He may not be "crossing a line", but he has certainly raised the bar for all aspects of super heroine video productions.

Raised the bar!?


Rye, Alex Bettinger, Christina Carter have been way ahead for years. Even Superheroinecentral would be if they had shot in HiDef.

Just a slight correction but SHC was in business before HD cams were commercially available. Believe me we would have loved HD and we bought an HD cam as soon as it came out.

Right, I know. I just meant that if SHC could have shot in HD in the early days, then the quality of the content plus in HD quality would've put you guys right up there with the other names I mentioned shooting currently in HD. Of course, now that I think about it, I suppose all those names also started shooting pre-HD and did fine work, so yeah, you're all bar raisers, or state-of-the-art standard setters, regardless of format! I also want to add BondageCafe to the list (fantastic traps).

[Mr. X]

Yeah we did get some good content done in HD. Most of DBC's videos are HD. Its up to Dano to release his SHC HD content.

[Heroine Addict]

Just a slight correction but SHC was in business before HD cams were commercially available. Believe me we would have loved HD and we bought an HD cam as soon as it came out.

Sadly, SHC's DanO doesn't seem like an "early adopter" anymore. He's still putting out VCD and SVCD compatible MPG files, rather than using a modern MPEG-4 codec.

Just like the Amish think technology should have stopped progressing at around 1850, DanO seems to have drawn the line at 2000. A Cyber Amish, if you will.

Honestly, how many sites are "OPTIMIZED FOR 800X600 SCREENS" in 2014?

[niko999]

A lot of the adult content to me simply looks like porn. The scenarios don't come across to me as perilous - they just look more like a scene where 2 models are dressed up in costumes and semi-acting out a sex scene that may have begun with an intro that resembled a superhero/comic setup. I was under the impression that the fetish is less about being obvious about the fetish and those it consists of and more about taking content that could be PG-13 and allowing the scenario to go a few steps further into a more sexual nature via torture or humiliation of sorts that is still acted out in character.

I think it's coming at what people want from the two opposite directions, trying to reach the same spot in the middle somewhere either by going 1) superheroine->porn or 2) porn->superheroine.

It's just that the second is a lot easier.

The problem with the first option, taking a super heroine story and cranking up the sexiness is if drama is conflict where's the conflict in a sex scene in dramatic terms? There usually isn't any story in a sex scene. In mainstream movies the sex scene is generally an interlude in the story - the dramatic conflict is usually in the "will they / won't they" build up.

So the easiest answer in super heroine story terms is there shouldn't be an actual sex scene; there should be the *prospect* of a sex scene. The scene should be a pre-sex scene where the villainess is stroking and making her wicked intentions towards the heroine known and the heroine's allies are racing to prevent her being turned into a zombie lesbian sex slave - this pre-sex scene is the equivalent of the shark tank before it opens or the bomb before it goes off or the buzzsaw or being chained to the railroad tracks before the train arrives i.e. it's the peril that must be prevented. That's where the conflict resolution is. So the sex scene becomes a pre-sex scene with lots of suggestive dialog and buildup making the audience *imagine* in their own head what is going to happen next but the sex scene itslef is stopped just in time - cue big fight.

The only way I can see of making a sex scene dramatic in itself is if the actual sex somehow revolves around a conflict. For example

- villainess has heroine tied up and is planning to use the magic kryptonite strapon of doom on her and if she can make the heroine come three times she turns her into a mindless sex slave permanently but just as the third time is almost reached the heroine's pal bursts in - cue fight

- same but heroine has gem of mind control placed on her forehead which will make her mindless if she cums, villainess goes down on her, heroine fights it, starts to weaken, weakens more etc, finally can't stop herself and is about to cum, her heroine pal bursts in and snatches gem off her forehead just as she cums - cue fight

- so the conflict is the heroine trying not to climax, filmed the same way a heroine tied to the railroad tracks is filmed with a ticking clock and oh noes will she be rescued in time!

The same thing but the other way round would be where the heroine has to try and make someone else climax within a certain time limit to prevent a peril but again not filmed like it's a sex scene - even though it is - but filmed like it's a race against time peril scene.

So either the sex scenes become pre-sex scenes and are the peril to be prevented and the sexiness is all done with suggestion and dialog or the sex has to carry the story forward somehow by becoming the conflict that has to be resolved.

[drvoodoo]

Having sex is not a problem, but there is a danger on doing just another dull porn film where the performers wear costumes. There are enough porn parodies out there. With fetish the emphasis should be on the peril, story, dialogue. For superheroine peril, I think Mr X's comics can serve as a great inspiration. Its the idea of strong confident and cocky superheroines defeated by a villain. Overall I think the performers (be they porn actresses or otherwise) should be required to up their game in the acting department.

[CustomSuperheroines]

Having sex is not a problem, but there is a danger on doing just another dull porn film where the performers wear costumes. There are enough porn parodies out there. With fetish the emphasis should be on the peril, story, dialogue. For superheroine peril, I think Mr X's comics can serve as a great inspiration. Its the idea of strong confident and cocky superheroines defeated by a villain. Overall I think the performers (be they porn actresses or otherwise) should be required to up their game in the acting department.

lol @ the last part you said. I completely agree but good luck finding it-- it's very rare

[drvoodoo]

I think there have been a few that deserve a compliment :-)

[CustomSuperheroines]

I think there have been a few that deserve a compliment :-)

There are definitely some out there... but they are rare and hard to come by... (pun?)