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So one of my actors and I have been talking about a concept that involves a mad scientist who experiments on Superheroines. He's twisted and has no regard for consequence. He's also very sadistic. The site/series would be revolving around him and introduce heroines into each film. The focus of filming would be on whichever girl is there and we have many ideas for multiple characters.

Our main debate has been whether or not the films should be PG (hard edge) or XXX. The concept would better be played by mainstream actresses even if they are willing to go a bit more risqué with the content (beyond our normal PG content), however, if the main desire is to see Tits & Ass, then we would need to turn to fetish models or adult actresses for that content and have the torture be more based on the sexual aspect of it.

So, since the PG vs XXX thing is going on anyway, let me know how you feel about this type of concept - we would like to start filming it ASAP and are just hung up on the direction we would go-- oddly enough since we were closing down Defeated Heroines-- we just got a large donor request to keep the site up for more filming, and we are entertaining it.

So, PG or XXX?

**XXX would not have male penetration due to actress limitations and legalities in the filming locale.

Love the concept. XXX would be perfect and having no male penetration will make it more creative in the sadistic department.

It would be nice to see XXX for those of us who enjoyed DH and your adult content.

Question: Are the superheroines in question already superheroines when he experiments on them? Or do they gain their super powers as a result of the experiments? Since the heroine in question varies, why not do both occasionally? You could also have episodes where the focus is on catching the heroines for the experiments, or another heroine tries to rescue one already captured. Just some thoughts right off the top of my head.

adult content is what made DH unique, albeit with its own take on the whole thing. Penetration is not necessarily needed for adult material.

drvoodoo wrote:adult content is what made DH unique, albeit with its own take on the whole thing. Penetration is not necessarily needed for adult material.

Well said.

PG....with an edge. Imagine what we didn't get with Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman and give us that. Since you're talking about a sadistic mad scientist type, why not have him intent on creating his own hybrid army using her Amazon DNA as one example. She could be captured and subdued and put into medical bondage with the implied idea that she will either be impregnated or her DNA will be extracted. A perfect use of medical devices and all the medical can be implied so you don't have to show any prime private parts, you know? Sometimes having the peril implied can be just as hot and not having to see everything allows for the imagination and mind's eye. Wonder Woman and kinky, sadistic mad scientists go hand in hand and you just can't lose. Give us what Lynda Carter never would

^and oh, if you need any help with script ideas or writing, let me know! I have a little experience in this sort of thing....

Well, if you are not going for actual penetration (and I'm not saying you should) then what you are talking about is not really XXX, it more just R or maybe X.

And in that case, I'm not really sure that the difference is. I happen to like Forced O's and other sex sexual tortures. It would be nice to bring some S&M elements to it, also, like nipple clamps and things, but I'm not huge on nudity, either. So I'm thinking it would have to be X for me, just for the forced O and more graphic sexual content.

As close to DH as you can be would be my choice.

Hard for us to properly answer the question, not knowing how you yourself categorize things. None of your vids have ever been XXX, and while you did get some adult heroines for DH, I believe your most popular was Holland and I dont think she would be classified as XXX actress. And on the reverse side, in my opinion, even a lot of your HL stuff couldnt be considered PG. Too violent, and enough tracing and such to cross the line from PG.

But for how I think you are asking the question, my take would be that you already have HL for the PG crowd, and if DH is gone or changing into this new thing, my vote would be for your version of XXX. Bring it back, and bring Holland with it!

If the costume, the actress and especially the peril are good enough, u don't need the xxx. The xxx is a bonus imo. But again, I prefer longer and more varieties of peril. Beatings and fights usually Don't do it for me. This sounds like something more up my alley. Super interested whether there is xxx or not.

There are other sexual tortures than rape. Although Zen and GIGA seem to now default to pixilated penetration these days, they have in the past explored a whole range of physical, sexual tortures, involving needles, electrodes, saw horses, hose pipes [not the tentacle disguised ones but colostomy-style], inverted suspension, compression, drowning and water-boarding.
If your scientist really is a sadist combining these with groping, tight bondage, costume ripping etc would be totally in character and make for an interesting movie.
Have you decided the villain's motivation? Research or revenge?

I don't need T&A to enjoy a good video per se, but for example some orgasm peril, seduction whatever. Is that still PG? I don't think so that's why I picked XXX. However, it would be okay to go with less explicit sexual peril.

Doesn't really matter.

There will be some that want xxx and some that do not.

You're not going to make everyone happy with one film.

Since youre going to be rotating Superheroines anyway, theres no reason you cant do both.

Alternate between PG using mainstream actresses/models, and xxx using fetish models.

If youre serious about making a series of videos theres no reason you cant do both. Watch the both line and see which does better and use that as your poll for future decisions.

Definitely XXX, I think it'll open way more doors as far as the different types of 'experiments' the scientist will be objecting your heroines to, otherwise you could write yourself into a corner and have much more provocative ideas but will be limited by the age restriction you've put on your films.

Kitten wrote:Doesn't really matter.

There will be some that want xxx and some that do not.

You're not going to make everyone happy with one film.

Since youre going to be rotating Superheroines anyway, theres no reason you cant do both.

Alternate between PG using mainstream actresses/models, and xxx using fetish models.

If youre serious about making a series of videos theres no reason you cant do both. Watch the both line and see which does better and use that as your poll for future decisions.

The reason you can't mix them is because I mainstream actress would not join a project that had fetish actresses on board. For the sake of organization and sales reasons, I would need to choose a classification. PayPal would be fine with a PG version, but the not the other. And putting one episode as X in any way seats the entire legal position of the whole project.

Much as I enjoy the sex its the heroines beating and defeat I enjoy most, followed by her humiliation/sexual torment. Penetration isn't important as long as it seems to happen, or will happen; defeat, costume destruction and torment are what I look for, as in your excellent Superheroines series and sadly defunct Defeated series.

Logan wrote:

Kitten wrote:Doesn't really matter.

There will be some that want xxx and some that do not.

You're not going to make everyone happy with one film.

Since youre going to be rotating Superheroines anyway, theres no reason you cant do both.

Alternate between PG using mainstream actresses/models, and xxx using fetish models.

If youre serious about making a series of videos theres no reason you cant do both. Watch the both line and see which does better and use that as your poll for future decisions.

The reason you can't mix them is because I mainstream actress would not join a project that had fetish actresses on board. For the sake of organization and sales reasons, I would need to choose a classification. PayPal would be fine with a PG version, but the not the other. And putting one episode as X in any way seats the entire legal position of the whole project.

Well you have several subdivisions as it stands (SvE, HL, HK, etc...), isn't it possible, to do the same here, have a PG section and an XXX section?

If you really have to pick one or the other i would suggest going with the PG version. For whatever reason, you just 'closed' Defeated heroines, which had adult~ish content. Why open another one when you've just closed this one down?

Kitten wrote:

Logan wrote:

Kitten wrote:Doesn't really matter.

There will be some that want xxx and some that do not.

You're not going to make everyone happy with one film.

Since youre going to be rotating Superheroines anyway, theres no reason you cant do both.

Alternate between PG using mainstream actresses/models, and xxx using fetish models.

If youre serious about making a series of videos theres no reason you cant do both. Watch the both line and see which does better and use that as your poll for future decisions.

The reason you can't mix them is because I mainstream actress would not join a project that had fetish actresses on board. For the sake of organization and sales reasons, I would need to choose a classification. PayPal would be fine with a PG version, but the not the other. And putting one episode as X in any way seats the entire legal position of the whole project.

Well you have several subdivisions as it stands (SvE, HL, HK, etc...), isn't it possible, to do the same here, have a PG section and an XXX section?

If you really have to pick one or the other i would suggest going with the PG version. For whatever reason, you just 'closed' Defeated heroines, which had adult~ish content. Why open another one when you've just closed this one down?

No, you can't just create a section on a site that's different. Legalities apply to the whole site. PayPal looks at your whole site as well.

The only reason I'm considering the adult route is because I had a private investor come in who paid me to keep DH operational for a few more months.

Definitely XXX, done right!

You just closed down DH because you said the investment returns were much less than you got from your less extreme content. JMHO but I don't think this new concept will substantially change those fortunes.

I get that on the payment side there's a hard line for sexually-explicit material, and on the creative side there's a similar line for significant nudity and sexually-overt material. I don't think you've cracked the code for standing on the sexual side of that line and drawing enough of the diverse fetishes in this community together to make it as rewarding as your core business -- certainly not repeatably in a series framed by a single premise. You struggled without that constraint.

I'm a fan of sexually-themed superheroine content, and I'd like to see more of it, particularly stuff backed by good technical craft. But unless you have a good director & editor who intuitively know what nuances get multiple fetish audiences excited and what nuances drive some away, just tackle one audience and make them ecstatic. For your studio, I think that means either the Lynda-Carter-but-more folks or maybe the beatdown-to-the-ground folks, but not the defeat-by-explicit-orgasm folks.

Imagineer wrote:You just closed down DH because you said the investment returns were much less than you got from your less extreme content. JMHO but I don't think this new concept will substantially change those fortunes.

I get that on the payment side there's a hard line for sexually-explicit material, and on the creative side there's a similar line for significant nudity and sexually-overt material. I don't think you've cracked the code for standing on the sexual side of that line and drawing enough of the diverse fetishes in this community together to make it as rewarding as your core business -- certainly not repeatably in a series framed by a single premise. You struggled without that constraint.

I'm a fan of sexually-themed superheroine content, and I'd like to see more of it, particularly stuff backed by good technical craft. But unless you have a good director & editor who intuitively know what nuances get multiple fetish audiences excited and what nuances drive some away, just tackle one audience and make them ecstatic. For your studio, I think that means either the Lynda-Carter-but-more folks or maybe the beatdown-to-the-ground folks, but not the defeat-by-explicit-orgasm folks.

I'm always up for a challenge. But also, DH didn't fail. It actually did very well. I had simply chosen not to make any more films. Now that I have someone new backi. The production, looks like we will be back at it. Keeping in mind though, there are limits to how far we will go in the XXX arena. We don't want it to be porn. So we won't go to having full on sex scenes - other producers have that already. We want to film where most others do not.

Okay, XXX wins. So, tell me how the first video goes. Location is an office building with a warehouse. GO!

**I will be reaching out to actresses to see who is interested shortly once I know the content. Character should be vague so I can put any character in the plot.

Okay, we are booked for Tuesday to film the first one! The actress is comfortable with everything simulated, FYI... let's hear some ideas-- I will put the script together tomorrow and look to this for input! We definitely want to include some AOH in this... what else do you want to see?

Looking forward to it. I like low-blows (Controlling Silverstar and Crimson Climax is the new gold standard!) and titpunching which was done very well in Impressing the Empress

maybe the heroine can get eaten out like in the beast unleashed, and it weakens her, also internal dialogue at the same time . I think its a good concept.

Okay. Script is written. I decided to go with something a bit more obscure instead of the traditional fondling or hitachi. Will do that in the future but wanted to be creative on the first one. I included electrocution torture, orgasm denial, and a few low blows as the main things that matter - oh, and AOH bondage.

Episode 1 of The Wizard featuring Chloe Valentine as Ultra Girl is wrapped!!
**please note and respect that the actress requests to use this new stage name from this point forward for this project.




We featured AOH Bondage, Electrocution, Orgasm Denial, Low Blows, Recorded Unmasking, Costume Destruction, Nudity & Groping - AND MORE!!!

wow! the actress looks familiar

drvoodoo wrote:wow! the actress looks familiar

Same girl from Defeated Heroines: The Beast Unleashed & Crimson Climax-- she's just going by a new stage name now

Here's a promo shot which is a screen capture from the footage

I always thought she was one of the best at DH, glad she didnt disappear. And the villain looks good too, very geeky as every mad scientist should lol

drvoodoo wrote:I always thought she was one of the best at DH, glad she didnt disappear. And the villain looks good too, very geeky as every mad scientist should lol

You have no idea - I am soooooo proud of this video. Can't wait for you to see it !!!!!

so when is it coming out then? lol

Logan wrote:Episode 1 of The Wizard featuring Chloe Valentine as Ultra Girl is wrapped!!
**please note and respect that the actress requests to use this new stage name from this point forward for this project.

You really need to sort out that moth problem in the wardrobe department.

She does indeed look hot, and that's a great high cut to the cozzy, and the little gold trim at the neck helps lift it a bit.
Good job all.

Whoever held the scissors is an artist.

That was one of the tortures. He made her run with the scissors.

Mr. X wrote:That was one of the tortures. He made her run with the scissors.

Kids, don't try that at home.

lol we had 2 people on standby with scissors-- it was cold in the warehouse and we dumped water on her in the scene as part of the electrocution... we had to pause to cut more and yeah, quick cuts... I did get to direct the cut placements lol my team was being a bit too PG with their cut selections at first but I quickly amended that.

There's a rush for this in post-production so I'm hoping to have this out within the week-- I have my best editor on it

With so little to wear in the first place, it's a wonder Chloe didn't get hypothermia. She's wearing less than my boot laces in that final picture! On a technical point, how practical did she find fighting in the original outfit? Wasn't there a risk of self-inflicted "wedgies" or accidental "flashing" during the action scenes? [That dark blue V is a real turn-on of course. ]

EvilDaria wrote:With so little to wear in the first place, it's a wonder Chloe didn't get hypothermia. She's wearing less than my boot laces in that final picture! On a technical point, how practical did she find fighting in the original outfit? Wasn't there a risk of self-inflicted "wedgies" or accidental "flashing" during the action scenes? [That dark blue V is a real turn-on of course. ]

There's actually no fight scene until the very end after all the torture. I didn't focus on fighting for this one. I went for more peril and sexual tone -- we typically do mostly fighting so it was something new for us

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is that the girl who played Sunder from Battle for Earth? she was / is hot and a treasure in the genre!

avenger wrote:is that the girl who played Sunder from Battle for Earth? she was / is hot and a treasure in the genre!

Yes it is - she goes by Chloe Valentine now. She was also in my Defeated Heroines series in The Beast Unleashed and Crimson Climax

Just confirmed: Madison Monroe is booked for Thursday to play the Heroine for the 2nd episode of The Wizard! Ideas are welcomed-- script is being written tomorrow!

Would be funny if you structured the story like its some weird Myth Buster episode where the Wizard is trying things out on the heroine to see if they work. Kind of like a criminal training video with live heroines.

Mr. X wrote:Would be funny if you structured the story like its some weird Myth Buster episode where the Wizard is trying things out on the heroine to see if they work. Kind of like a criminal training video with live heroines.

That's a cool idea but I'd have to see how to meld it with what I already created. I didn't want to do the stereotypical villain taking over the world or villain who hates heroines theme. Instead, my concept was that The Wizard actually empathizes with Heroines-- he thinks they are plagued and wants to strip them of their powers because they deserve to be human-- to be normal. But he ends up testing on them and hurting them in a sadistic manner which really is devoid of his outward intentions once he sees it through...

I just got a look at the pictures on your website and I'm overheating already. Wow! Superheroine AOH, legs chained apart, in a torn but largely complete costume, electric and water torture, are all in my dream scenario. Here we have heroine torture [including an vicious-looking "wedgie"], destruction without pity, a final rally then recapture and more to come ... "Dah-dah-dah!" With a cliff-hanger ending to make your brain fizz as you anticipate what happens next. Terrific!

Writing ep 2 either later tonight or in the AM - ideas for new peril welcome!

Logan wrote:Writing ep 2 either later tonight or in the AM - ideas for new peril welcome!

1. Inverted suspension and whipping
2. Crucifixion
3. Water-boarding
4. Injection with a sensitivity amplifier
5. Blunt object beatings [pick your target]
6. Submission to whatever is planned to protect a third party...
Are any of these suitable?