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Hey producers, performers and fellow fans, how's it going this year? Hope everyone's doing great and gearing up for the summer. Sorry I haven't been able to do more reviews as of late but my homegirl and I have been tied up with things as of late. I came by because I need some advice on the subject of 'dialogue in custom requests'.

Does anybody think that dialogue is good for a custom request or is it bad to have in a custom? The reason I ask is because
newcomer 'Nameless' (the customer who requested the vids 'Spy Academy' and 'Powergirl's Revenge' from Nyssa Nevers and Kendra James) and I had a discussion via emails about the use of dialogue in custom requests. He's been running into some snafus with custom ideas because of dialogue issues (he goes to one producer who rejects his idea because of the use of dialogue, then if he goes to someone else with the story totally stripped of dialogue he gets rejected again). The main reason he's been stripping his scripts of dialogue is to save time and to stay on point with things as he fears that dialogue is going to cause him to go over on the agreed upon time limit for the story but at the same time he's worried that no dialogue is going to 'water' the story down (that's one of the many problems he had when he did 'Powergirl's Revenge' with Kendra James. He wanted the performers to get right down to business but feels that he didn't add enough 'spice' to the custom in terms of speaking).

Nameless doesn't fully understand the rules for customs and though I've tried to help him on my end with things, he thinks that *ten minutes* is the bare minimum that producers will allow for any kind of custom creation and so he tries to stay within the allotted time frame.

So my main questions here are as follows:

-should dialogue be left in or completely stripped from any custom scripts?

-Can producers create things if there is totally 'no' speaking in the vid? (Some say that performers are okay with rehearsed dialogue but that's going to cause more problems to the production if there is any)

-How do producers feel about improvisation? (Does that help or hurt the production more if performers improv at the wrong time?)

-The main thing Nameless wanted to know is this: what is the best way to stay within the 'ten minute' limit for custom requests? (So far, the fetishes he asks for are short, sweet and simple *kissing, forced orgasm, etc.*) Should he try and go for a higher time frame or just stay within the ten minute range?

If any producers, performers or fans have any advice that I can take to him to help him out, I would greatly appreciate it.
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It depends a lot on the producer. I've dealt with producers who absolutely hated dialog of any kind. They wanted to keep it to the bare minimum. The argument was that shooting dialog takes a long time, you have to do close-ups and camera cuts, and it therefore increases the amount of time and effort it takes to produce the custom - therefore, dialog should be kept to a minimum. It's also worth noting that this particular custom scripts of mine was very long and was already pushing the limits of a typical shoot time, so that was also a factor.

On the flip side, I've had producers tell me that they love my scripts with a lot of details because it makes things very easy for them. They don't have to make decisions, they just create what you gave them.

Some producers like long, detailed scripts. Some don't do scripts and will only allow you to present a basic idea and then they take it from there.

Then you have the issue of - what exactly do you expect from the dialog. Porn videos aren't hollywood movies and adult film stars are not Hollywood actors (for the most part). It's not necessarily reasonable for anyone to expect them to be able to memorize the "You can't handle the truth" speech from A Few Good Men. They don't have anywhere near as much rehearsal time (assuming they even rehearse at all) and they certainly don't have a lot of prep time to memorize a script.

Having said all that, I personally like dialog in my scripts. I enjoy bondage and power struggles and it's always fun to hear the villain taunting a bound heroine. I like a little story and drama in my videos.

So how do you balance this?
What I usually do is just write the scene(s) I want with the dialog I want, exactly how I want it. I write as much or as little dialog as I want to see for my own personal tastes. Then I make it clear in the script, usually by some big note in bold text or something, that I don't necessarily expect the performers to recite my dialog word-for-word, that the script is just a guideline, and that the performers/producer should absolutely feel free to modify the language to be more natural or whatever.

Also, depending on the type of script, I will sometimes include a section for "sample dialog." This is just a list of phrases or sentences that would be cool to hear. This doesn't really lend itself to a superheroine video, but it's very useful to have in a Femdom PoV video, for example.

At the end of the day, I think it's really about what's important to you. If you don't really care all that much about the dialog, then write the scene how you want to see it and let the performers ad-lib it. If a producer doesn't like that, then find another producer or write the dialog yourself.
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Doctor Outcome,
I haven't read the specific scripts you're discussing, so forgive me if I'm way off the mark here. However, I'm willing to bet that a lot of those scripts include lengthy sections of dialogue discussing events which happen off-screen. This breaks the golden rule of visual storytelling; SHOW, DON'T TELL!

If the characters are stood around discussing some off-screen epic scene that no producer could feasibly ever shoot, then the writer is highlighting the shortcomings of the fetish genre. Off-screen extravaganzas always make the on-screen action seem a bit crap. And slow-moving crap to boot. It's better just to dedicate the time to making the best of the available resources.

Without naming and shaming the specific writer and producer, I swear that a certain video features several minutes of characters sat around listening to a radio news report about the villain's nefarious deeds. Several minutes of the heroines' facial expressions while the voice of the anchorman goes into unnecessarily long-winded detail about events which happened off-screen. It may have seemed fine to the writer as words in a script, but it's damn painful to watch the performers having to deal with a bloated exposition dump.

As you favor the campy technicolor aesthetic and light tone of Kendra/Christina/Anastasia, I would suggest the following things need to be present in the dialogue for that type of video:
  • Villainous declarations of the evil scheme, including a brief description of how the "orgazma ray" plot device will defeat the heroine.

    Heroic declarations of an intention to defeat the villainess(es).

    Villainous gloating over the captured heroine's predicament. Possibly with a brief description of what further indignities are in store for the heroine.
Everything else is padding.

Aside from the technobabble of how the evil device works, a lot of this stuff can be ad-libbed. Generic "You fiend!" protests are pretty easy to make-up on the spot.

Keep technobabble to a minimum, though. Convoluted explanations for how [MacGuffin Device] or [MacGuffin Scheme] works might seem straightforward to the writer in his/her own mind. However, they are a nightmare to a jobbing model who sees the script for the first time on the day of the shoot.

Show, don't tell. And KISS: Keep it simple, stupid. These may be cliches, but they are extremely relevant to this genre. Here's one of my own: People watch these videos while stimulating their cocks or clits. Ask yourself whether the gobful of exposition you've written is going to put them off their stroke?
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Hi,

Constant dialogue through the scenes with sexual performances make it super difficult. Most performers will have a lot more trouble getting into character when they have to remember someone else's exact words. Exact dialogue leading up to the sexual peril can help the performers get a feel for "who they are" and can really set the moos. But a lot of exact lines during sexual stuff will make them have a lot of trouble giving any intensity. A recent custom we had required the villain to do specific lines almost continuously while getting a BJ where the superheroine had to keep stopping to respond while a camera person is leaning on his shoulder to get a good angle. It was HARD

If we take a custom we will do every line requested with the best acting we can, but, the more time consuming and difficult the dialogue the higher the rate will be. We do understand that the dialogue the customer wants to here is often the main reason they are will to pay for a custom and we respect that

We prefer "key" phrases that the customer MUST here and then license to let the performer add dialogue that matches the tone the customer has set.
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TIEnTEEZ wrote: 4 years ago It depends a lot on the producer. I've dealt with producers who absolutely hated dialog of any kind. They wanted to keep it to the bare minimum. The argument was that shooting dialog takes a long time, you have to do close-ups and camera cuts, and it therefore increases the amount of time and effort it takes to produce the custom - therefore, dialog should be kept to a minimum. It's also worth noting that this particular custom scripts of mine was very long and was already pushing the limits of a typical shoot time, so that was also a factor.

On the flip side, I've had producers tell me that they love my scripts with a lot of details because it makes things very easy for them. They don't have to make decisions, they just create what you gave them.

Some producers like long, detailed scripts. Some don't do scripts and will only allow you to present a basic idea and then they take it from there.

Then you have the issue of - what exactly do you expect from the dialog. Porn videos aren't hollywood movies and adult film stars are not Hollywood actors (for the most part). It's not necessarily reasonable for anyone to expect them to be able to memorize the "You can't handle the truth" speech from A Few Good Men. They don't have anywhere near as much rehearsal time (assuming they even rehearse at all) and they certainly don't have a lot of prep time to memorize a script.

Having said all that, I personally like dialog in my scripts. I enjoy bondage and power struggles and it's always fun to hear the villain taunting a bound heroine. I like a little story and drama in my videos.

So how do you balance this?
What I usually do is just write the scene(s) I want with the dialog I want, exactly how I want it. I write as much or as little dialog as I want to see for my own personal tastes. Then I make it clear in the script, usually by some big note in bold text or something, that I don't necessarily expect the performers to recite my dialog word-for-word, that the script is just a guideline, and that the performers/producer should absolutely feel free to modify the language to be more natural or whatever.

Also, depending on the type of script, I will sometimes include a section for "sample dialog." This is just a list of phrases or sentences that would be cool to hear. This doesn't really lend itself to a superheroine video, but it's very useful to have in a Femdom PoV video, for example.

At the end of the day, I think it's really about what's important to you. If you don't really care all that much about the dialog, then write the scene how you want to see it and let the performers ad-lib it. If a producer doesn't like that, then find another producer or write the dialog yourself.
Thank you TieNTeez. This has been a big help and I'll definitely pass this on to 'nameless'. He likes stuff where the hero and the villainess cheapshot each other but he wants to get straight to the core of the story. Your wisdom will really help us to help him. :goodpost:
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Heroine Addict wrote: 4 years ago Doctor Outcome,
I haven't read the specific scripts you're discussing, so forgive me if I'm way off the mark here. However, I'm willing to bet that a lot of those scripts include lengthy sections of dialogue discussing events which happen off-screen. This breaks the golden rule of visual storytelling; SHOW, DON'T TELL!

If the characters are stood around discussing some off-screen epic scene that no producer could feasibly ever shoot, then the writer is highlighting the shortcomings of the fetish genre. Off-screen extravaganzas always make the on-screen action seem a bit crap. And slow-moving crap to boot. It's better just to dedicate the time to making the best of the available resources.

Without naming and shaming the specific writer and producer, I swear that a certain video features several minutes of characters sat around listening to a radio news report about the villain's nefarious deeds. Several minutes of the heroines' facial expressions while the voice of the anchorman goes into unnecessarily long-winded detail about events which happened off-screen. It may have seemed fine to the writer as words in a script, but it's damn painful to watch the performers having to deal with a bloated exposition dump.

As you favor the campy technicolor aesthetic and light tone of Kendra/Christina/Anastasia, I would suggest the following things need to be present in the dialogue for that type of video:
  • Villainous declarations of the evil scheme, including a brief description of how the "orgazma ray" plot device will defeat the heroine.

    Heroic declarations of an intention to defeat the villainess(es).

    Villainous gloating over the captured heroine's predicament. Possibly with a brief description of what further indignities are in store for the heroine.
Everything else is padding.

Aside from the technobabble of how the evil device works, a lot of this stuff can be ad-libbed. Generic "You fiend!" protests are pretty easy to make-up on the spot.

Keep technobabble to a minimum, though. Convoluted explanations for how [MacGuffin Device] or [MacGuffin Scheme] works might seem straightforward to the writer in his/her own mind. However, they are a nightmare to a jobbing model who sees the script for the first time on the day of the shoot.

Show, don't tell. And KISS: Keep it simple, stupid. These may be cliches, but they are extremely relevant to this genre. Here's one of my own: People watch these videos while stimulating their cocks or clits. Ask yourself whether the gobful of exposition you've written is going to put them off their stroke?
Good points. I told 'nameless' to utilize the 'KISS' system you said to implement but he kinda took it up to an eleven instead of a ten on some of his last project ideas. We've passed your knowledge on to him and he says 'Thank you for your wisdom, Heroine Addict.' We appreciate the contribution you've made on this subject.
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WonderKenna wrote: 4 years ago Hi,

Constant dialogue through the scenes with sexual performances make it super difficult. Most performers will have a lot more trouble getting into character when they have to remember someone else's exact words. Exact dialogue leading up to the sexual peril can help the performers get a feel for "who they are" and can really set the moos. But a lot of exact lines during sexual stuff will make them have a lot of trouble giving any intensity. A recent custom we had required the villain to do specific lines almost continuously while getting a BJ where the superheroine had to keep stopping to respond while a camera person is leaning on his shoulder to get a good angle. It was HARD

If we take a custom we will do every line requested with the best acting we can, but, the more time consuming and difficult the dialogue the higher the rate will be. We do understand that the dialogue the customer wants to here is often the main reason they are will to pay for a custom and we respect that

We prefer "key" phrases that the customer MUST here and then license to let the performer add dialogue that matches the tone the customer has set.
What if dialogue is just totally omitted from the script though, Wonder Kenna? Does that create any problems for production? Some people are able to improvise dialogue while others have a harder time at doing it because they won't know when to do it and they'll end up making a fumble during filming. Have you had any requests where the customer just doesn't want dialogue at all and does that water down the quality of the custom? That's the main thing 'nameless' wanted to know.

He's trying to cut down on 'excessive details' and what not as he doesn't wanna be labeled a 'time bandit' or anything after the last encounter he had with someone trying to do something like this. And I feel that two of his requests that I've reviewed (Spy Academy with Nyssa Nevers and Powergirl's Revenge with Kendra James) on his behalf should be the proof of the pudding that he's not out to waste anybody's time.
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Doctor Outcome wrote: 4 years ago
WonderKenna wrote: 4 years ago Hi,

Constant dialogue through the scenes with sexual performances make it super difficult. Most performers will have a lot more trouble getting into character when they have to remember someone else's exact words. Exact dialogue leading up to the sexual peril can help the performers get a feel for "who they are" and can really set the moos. But a lot of exact lines during sexual stuff will make them have a lot of trouble giving any intensity. A recent custom we had required the villain to do specific lines almost continuously while getting a BJ where the superheroine had to keep stopping to respond while a camera person is leaning on his shoulder to get a good angle. It was HARD

If we take a custom we will do every line requested with the best acting we can, but, the more time consuming and difficult the dialogue the higher the rate will be. We do understand that the dialogue the customer wants to here is often the main reason they are will to pay for a custom and we respect that

We prefer "key" phrases that the customer MUST here and then license to let the performer add dialogue that matches the tone the customer has set.
What if dialogue is just totally omitted from the script though, Wonder Kenna? Does that create any problems for production? Some people are able to improvise dialogue while others have a harder time at doing it because they won't know when to do it and they'll end up making a fumble during filming. Have you had any requests where the customer just doesn't want dialogue at all and does that water down the quality of the custom? That's the main thing 'nameless' wanted to know.

He's trying to cut down on 'excessive details' and what not as he doesn't wanna be labeled a 'time bandit' or anything after the last encounter he had with someone trying to do something like this. And I feel that two of his requests that I've reviewed (Spy Academy with Nyssa Nevers and Powergirl's Revenge with Kendra James) on his behalf should be the proof of the pudding that he's not out to waste anybody's time.
Yes Dr,

We absolutely will work with things like "she mocks the villain" or "he taunts her about being helpless" or "she begs for mercy" or "she is defiant" and we will give it our best to add lines of dialogue that fit what the customer is asking. We even offer "light" "moderate" or "heavy" dialogue for how much the customer wants to hear. So heavy could be continuous begging or taunting etc (will effect cost due to greatly increased production time) while light is enough to keep the mood of the content really strong (no effect on cost).
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WonderKenna wrote: 4 years ago
Doctor Outcome wrote: 4 years ago
WonderKenna wrote: 4 years ago Hi,

Constant dialogue through the scenes with sexual performances make it super difficult. Most performers will have a lot more trouble getting into character when they have to remember someone else's exact words. Exact dialogue leading up to the sexual peril can help the performers get a feel for "who they are" and can really set the moos. But a lot of exact lines during sexual stuff will make them have a lot of trouble giving any intensity. A recent custom we had required the villain to do specific lines almost continuously while getting a BJ where the superheroine had to keep stopping to respond while a camera person is leaning on his shoulder to get a good angle. It was HARD

If we take a custom we will do every line requested with the best acting we can, but, the more time consuming and difficult the dialogue the higher the rate will be. We do understand that the dialogue the customer wants to here is often the main reason they are will to pay for a custom and we respect that

We prefer "key" phrases that the customer MUST here and then license to let the performer add dialogue that matches the tone the customer has set.
What if dialogue is just totally omitted from the script though, Wonder Kenna? Does that create any problems for production? Some people are able to improvise dialogue while others have a harder time at doing it because they won't know when to do it and they'll end up making a fumble during filming. Have you had any requests where the customer just doesn't want dialogue at all and does that water down the quality of the custom? That's the main thing 'nameless' wanted to know.

He's trying to cut down on 'excessive details' and what not as he doesn't wanna be labeled a 'time bandit' or anything after the last encounter he had with someone trying to do something like this. And I feel that two of his requests that I've reviewed (Spy Academy with Nyssa Nevers and Powergirl's Revenge with Kendra James) on his behalf should be the proof of the pudding that he's not out to waste anybody's time.
Yes Dr,

We absolutely will work with things like "she mocks the villain" or "he taunts her about being helpless" or "she begs for mercy" or "she is defiant" and we will give it our best to add lines of dialogue that fit what the customer is asking. We even offer "light" "moderate" or "heavy" dialogue for how much the customer wants to hear. So heavy could be continuous begging or taunting etc (will effect cost due to greatly increased production time) while light is enough to keep the mood of the content really strong (no effect on cost).
Sounds great, I will definitely pass that along also.

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Dailougue is important in this genre or otherwise

What I would like to see less of is atonal music
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Depends on the girl. We had one model who's voice would just melt you. Adult but very girlish. Jewel Marceau had a similar voice. Very feminine. You just wanted to hear her talk. Plus these girls knew how to speak like a heroine. No droning or muttering.
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Mr. X wrote: 4 years ago Depends on the girl. We had one model who's voice would just melt you. Adult but very girlish. Jewel Marceau had a similar voice. Very feminine. You just wanted to hear her talk. Plus these girls knew how to speak like a heroine. No droning or muttering.
'No droning or muttering.'

That's what I'm talking bout. In the past, some performers didn't show much gusto when they spoke their lines (they sounded kinda bored or just sleepy, like 'oh my god, what am I doing here?).

Basically, when they speak and when they do it with spirit, it's a a sign that they're 'feeling the character'. Some performers do good with silence. Take Rawley Duke for example: when she did 'Lady Liberty: without a trace' with Julia Chesterfield, she had to be silent the whole time when playing the naughty sentai ninja and she did a phenomenal job at it too.

The only time you really hear her make any noise is when she laughs at the end of the vid. So I guess it kinda depends on the character that they portray and like a few others say, what the characters motivation is.
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Vocabulary choices are very important in an actress' portrail of a hereoine. Nearly every heroine's character is built around core values of courage and virture. It is inappropriate for an actress playing the role of a heroine to use vulgar or profane language. An actress playing a villian can use vulgar language to her heart's content. Producers should remember this when a client allows improvised dialoge.
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Mr. X wrote: 4 years ago Depends on the girl. We had one model who's voice would just melt you. Adult but very girlish. Jewel Marceau had a similar voice. Very feminine. You just wanted to hear her talk. Plus these girls knew how to speak like a heroine. No droning or muttering.
Jewel Marceau''s voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. :-P
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Funnily enough, this thread rings very true for me as I just recently commissioned a custom where I wrote the script in it's entirety in proper screenplay format with full dialogue, stage direction, the works. Still waiting for the footage to come back to me, so I'll be able to update everyone soon on whether the experiment was successful or not!
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It is very important, especially when it is a 2 against 1 scenario...a man and woman capturing and dominating a cute heroine...the discussion of what they are going to, what they are doing and what they just did to her after they defeat her totally...I LOVE that...especially when they ask her questions, but they ballgag her pretty quickly so she cant answer them....thw talking even if not super dirty...can be so dirty and hot!!!
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batgirl1969 wrote: 4 years ago It is very important, especially when it is a 2 against 1 scenario...a man and woman capturing and dominating a cute heroine...the discussion of what they are going to, what they are doing and what they just did to her after they defeat her totally...I LOVE that...especially when they ask her questions, but they ballgag her pretty quickly so she cant answer them....thw talking even if not super dirty...can be so dirty and hot!!!
While I don't share your fetish for instant ballgagging, it is a novel way to get around the fact that villainess dialogue is generally better written than heroine dialogue, with the performers visibly relishing their rapscallion roles.
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viking wrote: 4 years ago Vocabulary choices are very important in an actress' portrail of a hereoine. Nearly every heroine's character is built around core values of courage and virture. It is inappropriate for an actress playing the role of a heroine to use vulgar or profane language. An actress playing a villian can use vulgar language to her heart's content. Producers should remember this when a client allows improvised dialoge.
It's funny u should mention that, viking. I've noticed that in some of her productions, Christina Carter has been allowing Wonder Woman to use vulgar language (particularly in the Gremlin storylines) and I was like, 'whaaaaaat?' Wonder Woman's never cursed (but if that's what the customer wrote in their script, then I guess she's gotta roll with the punches and speak the lines).

There was even one strange custom where she faced off against some big guy named 'Viper' with Lady Diana playing Catwoman and Christina was talking vulgar in that one too while playing Wonder Woman. But like I said, I guess it all boils down to what the customer writes down in their script.
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endofallthings2 wrote: 4 years ago Funnily enough, this thread rings very true for me as I just recently commissioned a custom where I wrote the script in it's entirety in proper screenplay format with full dialogue, stage direction, the works. Still waiting for the footage to come back to me, so I'll be able to update everyone soon on whether the experiment was successful or not!
That's exactly how some of 'nameless' formats looked but he learned he had to cut back when the stage direction and dialogue caused the production to look over the agreed upon 'time limit'. Since performers won't do anything under ten minutes, he tries to make sure everything stays within the time minute limit and he tries not to go over it.

Nameless told me that he's kind of iffy with 'improvisation' because he's worried that the production crew and/or the performers may veer off course to what it is that he wants to see. While he's not against it, he also wants to make sure that any improvisations won't stray off from the script.
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Doctor Outcome wrote: 4 years ago

That's exactly how some of 'nameless' formats looked but he learned he had to cut back when the stage direction and dialogue caused the production to look over the agreed upon 'time limit'. Since performers won't do anything under ten minutes, he tries to make sure everything stays within the time minute limit and he tries not to go over it.

Nameless told me that he's kind of iffy with 'improvisation' because he's worried that the production crew and/or the performers may veer off course to what it is that he wants to see. While he's not against it, he also wants to make sure that any improvisations won't stray off from the script.
The structure is probably the most important thing. Any improvisation would need to drive the story towards the key "money shots" you absolutely need in your video. The villainess needs to use Device X to get Heroine Y into Peril Z.

The Batman TV show came up with an ingenious way to help actors remember all the technobabble names for the gadgets/weapons/traps; just put labels on everything. We don't see nearly enough Batman '66 labeled props in this genre.

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Doctor Outcome wrote: 4 years ago
That's exactly how some of 'nameless' formats looked but he learned he had to cut back when the stage direction and dialogue caused the production to look over the agreed upon 'time limit'. Since performers won't do anything under ten minutes, he tries to make sure everything stays within the time minute limit and he tries not to go over it.

Nameless told me that he's kind of iffy with 'improvisation' because he's worried that the production crew and/or the performers may veer off course to what it is that he wants to see. While he's not against it, he also wants to make sure that any improvisations won't stray off from the script.
I think you need to have a very clear idea of what you’re buying with your custom. It would be really unfair to push a quite elaborate and/or detailed script when you’re paying for a quite small window of shooting time...it would be almost impossible to get the rehearsal/coverage needed to deliver it.

With the script I’ve written - the dialogue and plot is quite detailed BUT I made the choice to go big on that but confine to one set + have little blocking/fight/movement etc. I also know I’ve paid for full day rate - so the producer has a good number of hours to get the coverage needed.

I also made clear to the producer that he had free reign “on the day” to adjust any dialogue on the fly if it didn’t flow or sound right. Like it or not, what I write may sound good on my head, but just won’t work in real life.

To be honest, what’s really needed is an honest exchange between commissioner and producer at the outset about what can realistically achieved and at what cost?
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If anyone is interested in what a fully scripted custom turns out like...this is out next week:

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hhhmmm….. I did a custom so I'll toss my 2 cents in...

When I wrote my custom, I wanted the dialogue only to set the scene up so the viewer has a sense as to what is going on or what was going to happen. But then I wanted to get right to the bondage /bdsm action, because the bondage / bdsm action part is what I really wanted in the vid. If you view my custom - it's a few lines, action, a few more lines to 'switch the action/ set the next part up', action again. With little dialogue and only 3 scenes, the video moves along and is great at 20 minutes. It was a collaboration with the producer - the lady did my lines and may have added one or two of her own. I certainly didn't mind - it is a collaboration after all and I trust the lady. In hindsight, I remember a line being omitted from the first cut. I jokingly pointed it out - the producer actually went back and re-edited the vid to add the line. Completely unnecessary (even told the lady it was fine without my dorky line), but she added it in anyway. That's actually a class act - going out of her way to please her customer.

Dialogue is hard. You don't want to be too corny with it. In the blooper section of my custom, you can see the two actors joking about, "We're gonna do the No! Please! crap right?" I certainly didn't mind or took offense - it is the typical stuff you would hear in a vid.


My advice.....a little bit of dialogue to set the tone or atmosphere. Then just get right to what you wanted to see. Not to be rude, do you really want endless talking or get on with the pervy fun?

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heroinehunter wrote: 4 years ago hhhmmm….. I did a custom so I'll toss my 2 cents in...

When I wrote my custom, I wanted the dialogue only to set the scene up so the viewer has a sense as to what is going on or what was going to happen. But then I wanted to get right to the bondage /bdsm action, because the bondage / bdsm action part is what I really wanted in the vid. If you view my custom - it's a few lines, action, a few more lines to 'switch the action/ set the next part up', action again. With little dialogue and only 3 scenes, the video moves along and is great at 20 minutes. It was a collaboration with the producer - the lady did my lines and may have added one or two of her own. I certainly didn't mind - it is a collaboration after all and I trust the lady. In hindsight, I remember a line being omitted from the first cut. I jokingly pointed it out - the producer actually went back and re-edited the vid to add the line. Completely unnecessary (even told the lady it was fine without my dorky line), but she added it in anyway. That's actually a class act - going out of her way to please her customer.

Dialogue is hard. You don't want to be too corny with it. In the blooper section of my custom, you can see the two actors joking about, "We're gonna do the No! Please! crap right?" I certainly didn't mind or took offense - it is the typical stuff you would hear in a vid.


My advice.....a little bit of dialogue to set the tone or atmosphere. Then just get right to what you wanted to see. Not to be rude, do you really want endless talking or get on with the pervy fun?

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I like your points heroinehunter. Truth be told, you're right: endless talking is a bad idea and it waters things down and u just wanna dive right into the 'naughty side' of the story as that's mostly what we come to see in fetish vids. The thing of it is, I've looked at Christina Carter's vids and I'm thoroughly impressed at how she is able to utilize the right amount of dialogue for her productions and still have time to get to the naughty parts of the story that she wants to showcase.

Like, when she plays Wonder Woman, she always has something witty or brave to say to the 'adversary of the week' be it Lady Diana, Real Angela Sommers, Kendra James or anybody else that Christina has locked horns with as Wonder Woman in her productions.

Anastasia Pierce is another good example. When she played Scarlet Witch, she would always have a few words to say to her adversary before she engaged in battle with them.

Personally, I think conversation does move the story just a tad but as one producer pointed out, if its dialogue heavy, it adds time. And newcomer 'nameless' is trying to stay within the time limit of his custom requests while also making sure that the idea he creates will generate the right amount of spark. He's had success with some ideas and others, he's realizing that he has to work...*a little bit harder*.

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Hey everybody,

These answers are very good so far and they give a lot of wonderful insight on 'custom script' production. I'm trying to get back in touch with 'nameless' to see if he'll lend us a script to post on here for critiquing if he feels up to it.
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I would be interested to see that. One thing I would advise, however, is not naming and shaming the producer(s) who turned it down previously.
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Heroine Addict wrote: 4 years ago I would be interested to see that. One thing I would advise, however, is not naming and shaming the producer(s) who turned it down previously.
Why not? There's nothing necessarily shameful about a producer turning down a custom. I've had my scripts turned down by the best of them. Someone (I think it was heroinehunter) said above that a custom is a "collaboration". I think that's an excellent way to think about it. You are paying for it and writing the script but like any film or video - the producer, director, and actors all contribute to the final product, so it's definitely a collaborative effort. And if what I want is contrary in some way to what the producer wants to make, or is able to produce, for whatever reason, then there's nothing wrong with them turning it down.
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TIEnTEEZ wrote: 4 years ago
Heroine Addict wrote: 4 years ago I would be interested to see that. One thing I would advise, however, is not naming and shaming the producer(s) who turned it down previously.
Why not? There's nothing necessarily shameful about a producer turning down a custom. I've had my scripts turned down by the best of them. Someone (I think it was heroinehunter) said above that a custom is a "collaboration". I think that's an excellent way to think about it. You are paying for it and writing the script but like any film or video - the producer, director, and actors all contribute to the final product, so it's definitely a collaborative effort. And if what I want is contrary in some way to what the producer wants to make, or is able to produce, for whatever reason, then there's nothing wrong with them turning it down.
True, there's nothing wrong with a producer turning down a request (so long as the reasons are legit). But I think what Heroine Addict is saying is 'we (the fans) shouldn't publicly shame' the producer who turned it down (Heroine Addict and a few others have noticed that I have been a little fired up here on the forums lately in response to the situation 'nameless' and one of his associates had to endure earlier with his idea being refused for B.S. reasons).
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Heroine Addict wrote: 4 years ago I would be interested to see that. One thing I would advise, however, is not naming and shaming the producer(s) who turned it down previously.
U have my word. I'm posting up the scripts he had right now.
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Hey everybody. I got in touch with 'nameless' and he's agreed to allow me to showcase some of his custom story's here on the board for critiquing (two of the ideas he has (The Super, Powergirl's Revenge) he was able to get done, the other entitled 'the Russian' is one he's trying to set up negotiations for).

Bear in mind, if the stories look kind of short in terms of dialogue, stage direction i.e. it's because he was trying to stay within the boundaries of the 'ten minute' rule with his idea. One thing that I have taken note of is that he's begun to give 'conditions' (something he hasn't done before with his previous stories he showed us) so that producers will know what he's looking for so that way if something goes wrong or something wasn't included, he can go back and remind them later that they forgot something that was crucial to the story.
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Criticisms are welcomed, just make sure you keep them constructive, folks. Remember...the aim here is to help a fellow 'customer' find a way to cross the 't's' and dot the 'i's' while staying within the lines of the contract (custom request) so that he, the producer and the performers can walk away happy and on good terms with each other after negotiations have concluded.
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I'm not sure the dialogue is the problem there. Most of it seems fairly snappy and straightforward.

Using a well-known song is a big no-no. Even playing a ten-second clip could get the producer in a load of shit with the music publisher and the owner of the recording. Licensing music costs a small fortune.

If I may be an "armchair producer" for a moment and pontificate from an implausible fantasy position in which I somehow acquire the talent and resources to make fetish videos, my problem with those scripts would be that Nameless is asking for 10-minute videos. Yet the producer still has to assemble the cast, costumes and props, regardless of whether the video is 10 minutes or 30 minutes.

I strongly suspect that when something as technical as ropework is involved, producers would prefer you to stump-up the higher rate and pay for a longer video which covers much more of their production costs.

Now, it could be that the ropework is Nameless's specific kink. In which case, not including it is a deal-breaker. However, if his or her kink is more a matter of the character being incapacitated, rather than seeing her tied-up, then a paralysis-inducing drug would have the same narrative effect without all the on-set rigging required to get the model tied-up/hung-up in a safe way.

I refer to the temporary paralysis idea as "pauper's bondage". A quick and easy way to incapacitate the character. You could even have her gasp something like "I can hardly move!" in order to allow for some sexy writhing, rather than fully-limp paralysis.

I can't pretend to have any insight into why these scripts were turned down by producers. It's just that the one thing that really stood out to me was that Nameless seemed to be asking for some quite technical scenes, such as the hung-up thief at the end of The Super. These may seem fairly simple on paper (or word document) but the producer has to get that shot rigged in a way that's safe for the performers while still looking convincing. So I suspect that's why that script was rejected at the ten-minute price tier.

What was Nameless hoping for with the bullwhip-style lassoing scene in Powergirl's Payback? I guess something like that could be pieced together with clever editing. Doing it live in a single shot, however, would either require a model with that specific skill (plus a model who's happy to have a rope thrown over her) or an FX wizard such as rklein who can add a CGI lasso.

Now, Nameless may be more than happy to see the lassoing achieved with a little "movie magic". However, any producer reading that script might see it as a red flag that the customer is going to complain "I asked to see a lassoing and you cheated, you cheating cheat!"

Syringing is another thing that would most likely require "movie magic" to achieve. But the producer doesn't know whether Nameless has a specific fetish for seeing needles sink into flesh. If so, that would drastically limit the pool of models willing to do such work.

All of which could be cleared-up with better communication - from both sides - on what is required and what can realistically be delivered.

On the videos that were eventually completed by producers, how were these technical aspects handled? And how satisfied was Nameless with the results?
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Hey Heroine Addict,

First let me say, ‘no, no. Pontificate all you want. The more the better as it will help us to help Nameless out.’ The more constructive info we get from you and anyone else, the more it’ll help him with his future ideas in the long run.
Next, I think there’s a bit of a mix-up here. These are the scripts that he *did* get made (Powergirl’s Revenge I reviewed already was done by Kendra James herself) and The Super he said was done by Shakeshift but we’ve yet to see that in his shop anywhere. So we’re waiting to see if Shakeshift will release that at his clips4sale store. As far as ‘The Russian’ goes, that’s a work in progress that he’s looking to get commissioned for a future custom. The script that got denied earlier was ‘Spy Academy’ but Nyssa Nevers managed to do that one. I’ll post up a snapshot of that one on here next so you can see for yourself why I think that one was very good and why I think it was foolish that the first producer he took it to denied it because it was quote on quote, ‘too storylike’. He practically had to butcher it down just so the first producer would take it and when he didn’t, Nyssa graciously stepped to the front lines to ‘take control’ and create Nameless’ spy fantasy for him.

Now onto the technical specs and end results: According to ‘Nameless’, Powergirl’s Revenge was pretty decent and Kendra really put her best foot forward with that one. The problem is, there was much miscommunication on Nameless’ part (apparently, this was supposed to be a conclusion to ‘Powergirl Lost’ and according to Kendra, he failed to mention that to her). Nameless said that an anonymous source had sent him a photograph in his email showing Powergirl’s defeat at the hands of Kendra’s character when she filmed ‘Powergirl Lost’. All they said to him was that Powergirl lost the fight to Rana Arata (Kendra’s character), Powergirl was left for dead on a planet somewhere and the source never told him more about the picture or even where it came from. So upon learning of Powergirl’s defeat, Nameless put his ‘Russian story’ to the side (as he and Kendra were having difficulty finding a suitable candidate to be Kendra’s co-star in that one) and just jumped into creating Powergirl’s Revenge in an attempt to ‘right the wrong’ of the heroine losing the fight because he likes a story where the ‘good guys’ win. Basically, ‘Powergirl’s Revenge’ was done on a whim.
Because Kendra already had an opening with Reagan Lush and suggested her and since Nameless didn’t have a clue who Anastasia was at the time, he didn’t want to say ‘no’ for worry that Kendra would think he was a ‘time bandit’ and so he just took the slot that she had to avoid trouble. Nameless pointed out the following things that were wrong to him when this got made:

- The audio sounded a little muffled at times (and I noticed that also when I purchase this vid)

-The kissing didn’t seem very passionate (it looked more like they were trying to do a quick kiss here and there and I noticed that too).

-He was expecting Kendra to have her hair the darkish red color that she usually has when filming but Kendra explained to him that she can’t make frequent trips to the salon and that the usual darkish red color had faded out.

-He liked Reagan’s performance but he was kinda hoping Kendra would’ve suggested someone with a more athletic physique for the part of Power Angel. Personally, I thought Reagan’s performance was pretty decent and her physique was lovely.

Kendra explained that because Nameless put a lot of restraints and restrictions on the script and didn’t allow any room for improvisation she had to stick to the script exactly as it was written and things didn’t quite flow out the way that they should have. His reason for the restrictions was so production would remain within the allotted ten minute range so that they could get everything done within the proposed time limit for it and not go over. Nameless isn’t certain that producers will do anything over ten minutes and he wasn’t sure if Kendra would be willing to do anything above that.
As for the bullwhip lasso scene he said the inspiration for that was ‘Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom’ where at the end Dr. Jones snares Willie around the waist with his bullwhip when she attempted to tell him off after her experience with the Thuggee cult. Nameless liked how Jones pulled Willie back to him with his whip and Willie knew that she was unable to pull free and allowed herself to be pulled back into his warm embrace. (That and Nameless wanted to make sure that Kendra’s character Rana didn’t escape from Powergirl…er, Power Angel this time). He says that Kendra filmed that part of the sequence extremely well and was very pleased with it. Apparently, he tries to draw some of his inspiration from movie scenes as he likes ‘re-enactments’, so you gotta give him credit for that. Kendra wasn’t really tied up…she just had the rope around her waist and that’s it. Nameless doesn’t want the performers to be uncomfortable when they perform as he feels it would make it harder for them to concentrate…bondage isn’t really his thing so he just wanted Reagan to ensnare Kendra’s character so she couldn’t get away, nothing more. You have to see the vid (or read my review with the pics) in order to get the full gist of what Nameless was trying to accomplish.

I don’t think Kendra ever included that song in the vid because of the copyright issue like you mentioned. Hell, when I purchased the vid the last thing I saw was Reagan leading Kendra out of the room before it faded to black.
You mentioned syringing, so I’m guessing you’re talking about ‘the Russian’ the work in progress custom. Yes, that’s apparently another one of his fetishes. He likes knockout scenes or scenes that involve people being sedated via a tranquilizer dart from a silenced toy gun or with a toy syringe or a fake syringe. Nameless doesn’t care much for special effects of any sort as that’s something he’s never asked for because he feels that’s just more unnecessary editing for the producers. That’s why he tries to keep his ideas ‘short, sweet and simple’ so the producer in question will have less of a headache and the performers won’t get fed up with each other during production. Long story short, everything he does is to keep the production crew on equal footing so that they’re not trying to ‘burn’ each other when there’s a mistake during filming.

Now, as far as ‘The Super’ goes, that’s one we haven’t seen and while Nameless applauded Shakeshift’s attempt on it, he feels it didn’t quite meet his expectations. Apparently there were a lot of flaws here and there but Shakeshift did charge him a good price for its creation he says. He told Shakeshift that he had hoped his idea would’ve turned out to be like the custom vid ‘Spiderwebs’ with Kara Smithfield and Leah Hanes. After hearing this, Nameless said that Shakeshift offered a ‘heart-felt’ apology to him and explained in detail why things turned out the way they did. He also offered to create another vid for Nameless in the future (as Nameless pointed out that certain ‘elements’ were missing from ‘The Super’) as a way of saying ‘sorry’ for the way the first vid came out and Nameless has agreed to take him up on his offer as soon as he can secure more funding as he has other ideas that he wants to try out.

Now, I must say, a producer who offers to make another vid if the customer isn’t happy with the previous one is a true sign of a professional. I mean, Shakeshift doesn’t strike me as the type who would steer a customer wrong and he has shown that he’s always willing and able to go the distance for his customers. So to hear that he offered Nameless another custom vid in place of the other one shows me that he cares more than enough to correct a mistake on his part and that he truly wanted Nameless’ business. Most producers nowadays have a ‘oh well, chalk it up to experience’ kind of mentality but not Shakeshift so that makes me extremely happy to see that he was willing to go out of his way to help Nameless and wasn’t just about ‘the money’ portion of the deal. Though the vid was semi-good, Nameless said that the ‘turn around’ time for ‘the Super’ could’ve been a little better and that he hopes Shakeshift will be willing to provide photos or links of who he plans to utilize for the next one. According to Nameless, the face of one of the actresses couldn’t be shown because she has a ‘government security clearance’ or something of that nature. Plus, said actress wasn’t into make-out scenes so the most she would do is grope the villainess and feel up on her, but that’s about it so that was a huge letdown for Nameless as he wanted to see a good ‘kiss’ scene as he enjoys make-out scenes.

All in all, Nameless had quite a learning experience when it came to creating these two ideas but I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume that the producers in question also learned something from their experience also that’ll help them in the future if he commissions anything else from them.
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Hey everyone,

Here's the script for 'Spy Academy' that Nyssa Nevers did for Nameless as a custom request.
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After looking over the script and comparing it to the video, everything Nyssa did was spot on exactly as the script was written (dialogue and all). And according to Nameless, she and her co-star Tilly McReese had no problem what so ever with the dialogue in the script, they were able to memorize everything word for word without missing a beat. Plus, it was only a page and a half when viewed in Microsoft Word.

So once again (and I know this is old news), this begs the question as to why the first producer Nameless approached didn't make some real attempt to give this custom request a shot since he wasn't asking for much. Everything was pretty much softcore in this idea. Plus, I fail to see how this idea was 'too storylike' as Nameless said that's why the first producer didn't take it. When he gave it to Nyssa, Nyssa had no problems whatsoever and even said that she enjoyed when custom ideas tell a story.
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Heroine Addict wrote: 4 years ago I can't pretend to have any insight into why these scripts were turned down by producers. It's just that the one thing that really stood out to me was that Nameless seemed to be asking for some quite technical scenes, such as the hung-up thief at the end of The Super. These may seem fairly simple on paper (or word document) but the producer has to get that shot rigged in a way that's safe for the performers while still looking convincing. So I suspect that's why that script was rejected at the ten-minute price tier.
The thief wasn't 'hung-up' at the end, Nameless said. The thief was cuffed and left unconscious on the couch for the cops to pick her up at the end. When he said 'hung up', he meant that the superheroine hung up the phone and left her prisoner for the authorities to come and get her.

Also, the other thing that Nameless mentioned was that the costumes that were chosen for the performers could've used some work. Apparently when this was requested, he and the producer never discussed wardrobe. I feel that's one important aspect every producer should talk about before taking a request...wardrobe. If they have suggestions, they can pitch them and if the customer doesn't like them, the producer can ask for the customer's suggestions of what they want to see the characters dressed in.
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Re: 'To speak or not to speak' (Dialogue in custom requests)

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Oops, the "hung up" thing is embarrassing. A long critique of a line I misread.
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Re: 'To speak or not to speak' (Dialogue in custom requests)

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Hi guys! This is a long thread and I only skipped through it, but there are a couple points I want to touch upon. These are my opinions based on my experiences and the way I work, so please don't think I speak for every producer!
The "10 Min Rule" - what is this? I've never in my life given a time limit or rule. People ask for things, tell me how long they want a video to be and I give an estimate. My only "limit" is that I don't offer videos UNDER 10 minutes. I'll shoot a feature length movie if that's what you want! I base quotes on the complexity of a video, time it will take to shoot, performer, props, costumes or wardrobe purchased, the explicit nature of the video and location costs. Seems like a lot of stuff? Yeah, I know.
The dialogue question - I like some dialogue, it's helpful. An outline, key words and a bit of verbiage gives performers some ideas of things to say. What I don't like is a fully scripted 10+ page script with a hopeful budget of $200. Specific dialogue ads time. You are not necessarily paying for the final edited run time time of the video, but the TIME IT TAKES TO SHOOT IT (at least with me). Performers often get paid hourly as do locations and camera people and if it takes 6 hours to shoot your 15 min video because people have to memorize lines, then everyone has to get paid accordingly. I cannot offer you a quote of $500 if I have to pay everyone (including myself cause I have rent to pay too!) $100 per hour or more.
My suggestion? Offer key words and phrases you want to hear, rough dialogue, but leave it up to the performers to improvise. Most seasoned professionals are good with improv!
As far as the music mentioned above - I included it in his version, but not in the video for sale as it is copy written and not something I can resell.
Hopefully this offers some insight!
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Re: 'To speak or not to speak' (Dialogue in custom requests)

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Hello Kendra-girl,

It's great to hear from you and we thank you very much for your input on this subject. It's always great to know where the performers themselves stand on subjects like this as it makes it easier for potential customers to do business for the future. Nameless has had nothing but good things to say about you and your professionalism and really looks forward to commissioning you for other custom ideas later. Offhand, I think 'The Austrian Spy' was a fabulous piece of work that you did for him on his behalf.

Now, I'll get the subjects at hand:
The "10 Min Rule" - what is this? I've never in my life given a time limit or rule. People ask for things, tell me how long they want a video to be and I give an estimate. My only "limit" is that I don't offer videos UNDER 10 minutes. I'll shoot a feature length movie if that's what you want! I base quotes on the complexity of a video, time it will take to shoot, performer, props, costumes or wardrobe purchased, the explicit nature of the video and location costs. Seems like a lot of stuff? Yeah, I know.
We (the fans) know that you don't impose a 'ten minute' limit but as he's still relatively new to this kind of thing, Nameless isn't aware of that. He doesn't know all of the rules and regulations behind doing these requests and what knowledge he does have or possess comes from other people that he's consulted with. I'm one of many who have actually encouraged him to try and shoot for something longer if that's what he wants but to make sure that he has the loot on hand to pay for it. He's not a cheapskate, but he's not 'Bill Gates' rich either. What little income he's able to make, he sets a little to the side for his custom requests and he has to make sure that whatever custom he orders that the money is well spent because anything in the $1,000 dollar range or higher it takes him quite a while to build that up. He builds up as much as he can so that he can get at least two customs done, depending on costs.

That's probably one of the reasons why he tries to keep his scripts so bare and dry...he's trying to avoid wasting anyone's time and to ensure that it's not too complicated to create. (Long story short, he puts the time and patience of the performers first, so you gotta give him credit for that). :happy:
The dialogue question - I like some dialogue, it's helpful. An outline, key words and a bit of verbiage gives performers some ideas of things to say. What I don't like is a fully scripted 10+ page script with a hopeful budget of $200. Specific dialogue ads time. You are not necessarily paying for the final edited run time time of the video, but the TIME IT TAKES TO SHOOT IT (at least with me). Performers often get paid hourly as do locations and camera people and if it takes 6 hours to shoot your 15 min video because people have to memorize lines, then everyone has to get paid accordingly. I cannot offer you a quote of $500 if I have to pay everyone (including myself cause I have rent to pay too!) $100 per hour or more.
Nameless learned that the 'hard' way a couple of times Kendra and that's kinda why he uses the 'time' factor to ensure that he can pay for everyone's time. While he would like for some of his ideas to be as detailed and explicit as possible, he feels that won't always be a possibility. So he has to make sure that whatever fetishes he utilizes are not only within everyone's comfort zone, but that they won't eat up a majority of the production. So things like dialogue and what not, he either trims it down to keep it at a minimum or he just omits it for the sake of time. The first producer he went to had a problem with dialogue being used and told him that his custom felt too 'storylike' and that supposedly was the major reason why he got turned down for his first idea.
My suggestion? Offer key words and phrases you want to hear, rough dialogue, but leave it up to the performers to improvise. Most seasoned professionals are good with improv!
As far as the music mentioned above - I included it in his version, but not in the video for sale as it is copy written and not something I can resell.
Hopefully this offers some insight!
Kendra
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After seeing how you were able to improvise on the 'Austrian Spy', I think you may have convinced him to use improvisation for future ideas.

But truth be told Kendra, I think one of the biggest flukes that Nameless is having is commissioning certain people for his ideas as he doesn't know who's who in this industry (mainly with who's active) and most importantly, who has limitations in regards to what they'll do and won't do so I think that's the biggest high point that he could use some assistance with for future ideas. For example, that thing with "Powergirl's Revenge", there was miscommunication on his part for not telling you that he wanted Anastasia Pierce for the part of Power Angel since he was trying to bridge the gap between that custom and "Powergirl Lost" to give it a much more positive 'outcome'.

The reason he went for Reagan Lush was because he said that was who you suggested as you already had a slot opened with her, so he pretty much just went for whoever you had available for that custom. Plus, he knew nothing about Anastasia at the time (what her limits were if she had any) or even that you and her lived on opposite sides of the country so that's another factor that probably didn't get addressed: that if he's going to request people, he has to make sure they're in the same vicinity as the main performer which is you. Nameless would like to choose co-stars, but only if that option is available to him and there's someone who matches what he's looking for.

But all in all Kendra, I think it was a good learning experience for him and it was extremely gracious of you to help him with his idea when nobody else would or could. :thumbup:
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Re: 'To speak or not to speak' (Dialogue in custom requests)

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I have purchased many costumes so here is my take on dialogue.

I like to add as many details as possible. I write some dialogue because I want certain conversations or confrontations to reveal important information such as the villain's plans, characters' powers, and emotions. I want certain comments said during the conflict, sex, and conclusion.

Then, I will ask the producer to add more dialogue if he or she wants to add more flare to the scene. I also tell the producer to add dirty talking during the sex scene. A silent sex scene is not a good sex scene.

I am going to make a thread with information about active models in the business and studios who do custom videos. Just because you don't see a mode in SHIP, does not mean you are unable to order a custom with the model. Most of the time you can order a costume video through a good studio like Primal Fetish. Sometimes you may not be able to order a custom video with a particular model. I will give more information on that in my info thread.
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Re: 'To speak or not to speak' (Dialogue in custom requests)

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GeekyPornCritic wrote: 4 years ago I have purchased many costumes so here is my take on dialogue.

I like to add as many details as possible. I write some dialogue because I want certain conversations or confrontations to reveal important information such as the villain's plans, characters' powers, and emotions. I want certain comments said during the conflict, sex, and conclusion.

Then, I will ask the producer to add more dialogue if he or she wants to add more flare to the scene. I also tell the producer to add dirty talking during the sex scene. A silent sex scene is not a good sex scene.

I am going to make a thread with information about active models in the business and studios who do custom videos. Just because you don't see a mode in SHIP, does not mean you are unable to order a custom with the model. Most of the time you can order a costume video through a good studio like Primal Fetish. Sometimes you may not be able to order a custom video with a particular model. I will give more information on that in my info thread.
A lot of producers and performers have lists on their sites of models who are available or traveling through town. Performers talk to each other and just because you don't see someone in a clip or on a site doesn't mean they're not available (as you mention). I live in Miami, but I travel to Los Angeles regularly, so I'm always happy to see who is available and love working with new (for me) performers:)
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