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Not sure if this is the right forum for this, but I recently ordered a custom video from Hannah Perez / Fetishland and I thought I would relate my experience and give a mini-review in case anyone else is thinking about ordering from her.

This was my first experience with Fetishland - a trial run, so to speak.

And first off, I should mention that this was not a super-heroine video. This was a femdom PoV.

I contacted Fetishland via the web site and sent over a script. The script was 45 minutes long and called for 5 scenes (and 5 different outfits). The first scene was a PoV fighting scene in which the model beats up the viewer and then the rest was a non-consensual Tease and Denal video.

I was quoted a price of $600 (which is more than reasonable for a 45 minute video with 5 costume changes). And Hannah e-mailed me with a list of potential models to star in in it.

I must admit, I was not very familiar with most of the models that were available. But on the list I was given, Macy Nikole caught my eye. I asked Hannah if she would be good for this role and I specifically noted that I could not find any prior videos of Macy doing T&D or a PoV fighting scene. Hannah assured me: "Macy has been incredible in everything i've directed with her! I would definitely give her a try if you're interested. I'm sure she won't disappoint."

So I went ahead with Macy and ordered the video and I received it promptly in 7 days from the time I paid! An excellent turnaround time!

So far, the price was good, the studio was responsive, and the turnaround time was excellent. And then I watched the video....


The video itself was complete and total garbage. The model completely flubbed the very first line of dialog. In the script, the viewer is an assassin who sneaks into the model's bedroom, but she not in bed, she's hiding waiting to ambush him. So the video begins with the model jumping out and surprising him. Macy's first line of dialog was, "Ha! I bet you didn't expect me to be in bed... er... I mean, I bet you didn't expect me to be hiding behind the.. um... thing."

So right off the bat, this is just disastrous. Why wouldn't you re-shoot that? It's the first freaking line! You could have just done it again and it would have taken 5 seconds! How could anyone who cares even the slightest bit about the quality of their work leave such a glaring mistake in a video on the very first line?

Macy then proceeds to throw punches with one hand and berate the viewer. And it's just bad. Her dialog is rambling, repetitive, and scattered. The punches are ludicrous. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting her to be kung-fu expert, but she's supposed to be an actress. She could at least ACT like she knows how to throw a punch. At one point, she punches with her right hand while her left hand is on her hip. It's cringe-worthy.

After that, it just gets worse and worse. I wrote some cool stuff about how the beaten viewer actually wants to be collared and Macy and whoever directed the video clearly didn't get it and had no understanding of how femdom or T&D works.

Then the video moves into the T&D and bondage scenes. The view is tied up in a dungeon, standing up. Macy looks great, but her dialog is just babbling nonsense. She makes several more flaring mistakes and then has to correct herself. She constantly contradicting herself. Then she orders the viewer to kneel!

He's bound, standing up, in the dungeon, and she orders him to kneel -and he does. Now, to me, I thought it was obvious that if he's bound in a dungeon he has to be tied TO something, right? But apparently, since I didn't specifically mention that in the script (I just said 'bound standing up'), they thought it was perfectly reasonably for him to be standing up and somehow able to move/roll/hop around the dungeon freely. This is mind-boggling to me. Maybe I'm wrong. But I've ordered similar videos before and it always goes without saying that a bound captive can't kneel without first being untied.

So to summarize....

Good pricing
Good turnaround time
Terrible content quality
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I am very sorry for your horrible experience. I hope you shared your thoughts and feelings with Hanna. She should give you a refund for failing to provide a quality product. She was dishonest about the model's ability to perform. She did not understand the basic details from your script. Furthermore, she did not attempt to make a quality video. Hannah should have redid the opening line. Hannah didn't care and got $600 and a video to sell at her store.

Stories like this really make me angry because producers must honor our scripts if they accept them, and they should put forth the best quality product. It is very risky for us to order with a different producer for the first time. We don't know if they will live up to expectations and agreements. It is the opportunity for the producer to prove he or she is capable for we can continue to do business together.
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I wouldn't judge the producer too harshly for this because I think there's a lot of gambles taken here, and I'd say from how you describe it the odds of the movie coming out great were pretty slim all things considered.

1. Giving a forty five minute script to a producer you haven't worked with before is a risk right off the bat.

Every producer reads a script differently and there is no such thing as an objective reading of a script. I've had models and producers follow my scripts very closely and come up with something very different to what I imagined, why? Because they interpreted it differently. That's not their failing, it just happens. Usually I'd use the first movie to see how they interpret things and adapt my script accordingly for the next one. And by that I don't mean change what I want, I mean change how I express it so the producer knows. Going for a movie of that sort of length without knowing how they are likely to approach it is dicey.

2. Casting somebody you haven't seen doing the thing you want them to do, in a forty five minute movie, is another huge risk.

Of course the producer is going to say that their model can do what is asked of them. It's 99% certain they can do what is asked of them. But will they do it how you like it? You won't know until you've seen them. If you want the best movie you can get you've got to put the work into researching the casting, and good news! Researching the casting for a custom fetish movie is fun.

3. Don't assume anything is obvious when it comes to the script. This goes back to point one, you don't know how they are reading it.

This one I learned the hard way in an early movie. If something matters to you, put it clearly in the script. If something doesn't matter to you, take it out of the script because the producer and models are more likely to do the thing you specifically want them to do if that's the only thing you're asking them to do. The odds of getting what you want to see to happen on the screen increase the fewer things you ask for.


What is described as a trial run looks more like a leap of faith. I think getting the movie you want under these conditions would be a hell of a long shot.

Hope that doesn't sound over-critical, just I've had experience of this situation myself and it sucks, but it is usually nobody's fault and can be avoided completely with better communication (although not every producer is great on that side of things).

ALL THAT BEING SAID

If they goof the first line you're not being unreasonable expecting them to go again, if they are okay with you writing lines of dialogue then the least you ought to expect is for them to get the first line right. You'd not be being unreasonable to express dissatisfaction about that. If they don't want to do scripted dialogue it's the kind of thing you mention in advance.
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Dogfish wrote: 2 years ago I wouldn't judge the producer too harshly for this because I think there's a lot of gambles taken here, and I'd say from how you describe it the odds of the movie coming out great were pretty slim all things considered.

1. Giving a forty five minute script to a producer you haven't worked with before is a risk right off the bat.

Every producer reads a script differently and there is no such thing as an objective reading of a script. I've had models and producers follow my scripts very closely and come up with something very different to what I imagined, why? Because they interpreted it differently. That's not their failing, it just happens. Usually I'd use the first movie to see how they interpret things and adapt my script accordingly for the next one. And by that I don't mean change what I want, I mean change how I express it so the producer knows. Going for a movie of that sort of length without knowing how they are likely to approach it is dicey.

2. Casting somebody you haven't seen doing the thing you want them to do, in a forty five minute movie, is another huge risk.

Of course the producer is going to say that their model can do what is asked of them. It's 99% certain they can do what is asked of them. But will they do it how you like it? You won't know until you've seen them. If you want the best movie you can get you've got to put the work into researching the casting, and good news! Researching the casting for a custom fetish movie is fun.

3. Don't assume anything is obvious when it comes to the script. This goes back to point one, you don't know how they are reading it.

This one I learned the hard way in an early movie. If something matters to you, put it clearly in the script. If something doesn't matter to you, take it out of the script because the producer and models are more likely to do the thing you specifically want them to do if that's the only thing you're asking them to do. The odds of getting what you want to see to happen on the screen increase the fewer things you ask for.


What is described as a trial run looks more like a leap of faith. I think getting the movie you want under these conditions would be a hell of a long shot.

Hope that doesn't sound over-critical, just I've had experience of this situation myself and it sucks, but it is usually nobody's fault and can be avoided completely with better communication (although not every producer is great on that side of things).

ALL THAT BEING SAID

If they goof the first line you're not being unreasonable expecting them to go again, if they are okay with you writing lines of dialogue then the least you ought to expect is for them to get the first line right. You'd not be being unreasonable to express dissatisfaction about that. If they don't want to do scripted dialogue it's the kind of thing you mention in advance.
Dogfish wrote: 2 years ago The odds of getting what you want to see to happen on the screen increase the fewer things you ask for.
This is by far the worst advice ever given. I strongly, STRONGLY advise all potential customers to not lower their standards. The odds of getting what you want in a custom should be 100% regardless of how much you PAID FOR. This was not a request that was "ASKED FOR", this was a custom order that was "PAID FOR". A producer is required to provide a product that they agreed to make and the customer has paid for it. A producer should never agree to a custom if they are unable to fulfill the custom order. A producer should always discuss any changes necessary if they want to take the order.

Customs can be a risk. However, that does not excuse delivering a piss poor product. Nobody should tolerate a horrible order because of the risk involved. Producer is running a business, and a business should always put forth the best product. Hannah failed to provide a decent video. She didn't reshoot any scenes. The model struggled to say lines throughout the film. The first scene says Hannah didn't give a damn.

Furthermore, misinterpreting a script is a major failing. TiIEnTEEZ has stated on the forums that he writes a lot of details in his scripts. I am 100% positive that he provided plenty of information to make his idea clear and understandable. If someone is bound while standing, then it is clear that it is impossible to kneel.

A producer should always ask any questions if they are not sure what the customer is seeking or if minor changes need to be made. Two producers told me, they needed to make minor changes to two of my scripts. I wrote the villains were robbing a bank, and most studios don't have access to a set of a bank. One producer changed it to a jewelry store, and the other changed it to the villains returned home after the robbery. Those changes were fine and were discussed before filming.

I know from personal experience that "misinterpreting a script" is often the producer's fault. This happen to me once. A producer mistakenly added "pink kryptonite" in a scene, and it was not written in the script. The script clearly states the heroine is seduced by kissing, not a substance of any kind. The producer foolishly misinterpreted "an epic fight" as in neither character could harm each other. Those two examples from my experience are major failings on producers.
Dogfish wrote: 2 years ago Of course the producer is going to say that their model can do what is asked of them.
There is a lot of bad information from this single sentence. Most models are not employees for most studios. The model is not the studio's model. Most models are independent contractors. Also, not all models do every kind of scene. The model may not do what is asked and another model must be selected by the customer.

Furthermore, a producer should be honest about a performer's ability. A producer is being untruthful if he or she knows the model is unable to deliver a good scene. The producer is aware he or she is making a bad movie and do not care about providing a quality product to the customer.
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I've worked with Hannah on several customs. In my experience, she is very professional and creative, and does her best to bring my scripts to life.

That being said, I believe she books models to shoot several customs per day. I don't know how many, but I know it's usually a long day. This leaves her and her models very little time to rehearse or study the script. And once they start shooting your custom, there may not be time for multiple takes. This is probably the only way for her business model to be profitable.

So, when you have five pages of dialogue, all to be delivered by an amateur actor with little preparation, mistakes are inevitable. I understand how disappointing it must have been when the star of your video kept flubbing her lines, especially if hearing her say those specific things word-for-word was what you wanted the most. But it's just unrealistic to expect seamless recitation of a long, detailed script in a fetish custom video. That's why I keep written dialogue to a minimum in my scripts. Instead, I give a general idea of what I want the characters to say.

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Dixon wrote: 2 years ago I've worked with Hannah on several customs. In my experience, she is very professional and creative, and does her best to bring my scripts to life.

That being said, I believe she books models to shoot several customs per day. I don't know how many, but I know it's usually a long day. This leaves her and her models very little time to rehearse or study the script. And once they start shooting your custom, there may not be time for multiple takes. This is probably the only way for her business model to be profitable.

So, when you have five pages of dialogue, all to be delivered by an amateur actor with little preparation, mistakes are inevitable. I understand how disappointing it must have been when the star of your video kept flubbing her lines, especially if hearing her say those specific things word-for-word was what you wanted the most. But it's just unrealistic to expect seamless recitation of a long, detailed script in a fetish custom video. That's why I keep written dialogue to a minimum in my scripts. Instead, I give a general idea of what I want the characters to say.

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It's funny you say that. I As someone noted above, typically write a tremendous amount of detail into my scripts. I have been known to send 10-page scripts to producers sometimes.

And BTW... that gets very mixed reactions. I sometimes get outright hostile responses from producers telling me that I am insane to send so much detail. They are offended that I would even ask them to read that much. Even though a lot of it isn't actual dialogue or scenes it's just a basic overview, summaries, wardrobe, and content requirements.

BUT... as it happens, I decided to try something different for this one. This was one of my shortest scripts ever. I described the first scene in some detail and then left he other 4 (the T&D scenes) pretty much open for interpretation. Sometimes those scripts turn out better than the detailed ones, because sometime the model or producer will get creative and surprise you. I've gotten some great videos that way.

But most of the best videos I've had made are the ones where I include a lot of detail and the producer/model really 'gets' what I am going for. Those are works of art. It doesn't happen that often, which I why I do these trial runs, to see if I can find other producers who 'get' me and my fetishes. :)
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GeekyPornCritic wrote: 2 years ago
Dogfish wrote: 2 years ago Of course the producer is going to say that their model can do what is asked of them.
There is a lot of bad information from this single sentence. Most models are not employees for most studios. The model is not the studio's model. Most models are independent contractors. Also, not all models do every kind of scene. The model may not do what is asked and another model must be selected by the customer.

Furthermore, a producer should be honest about a performer's ability. A producer is being untruthful if he or she knows the model is unable to deliver a good scene. The producer is aware he or she is making a bad movie and do not care about providing a quality product to the customer.
If a producer is hiring a model for a movie that's their model, that's the model whose performance the producer is vouching for and backing.

Should have thought that was obvious from the phrasing but this is what I mean about different people reading the same sentence and reaching different conclusions.
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Dogfish wrote: 2 years ago
GeekyPornCritic wrote: 2 years ago
Dogfish wrote: 2 years ago Of course the producer is going to say that their model can do what is asked of them.
There is a lot of bad information from this single sentence. Most models are not employees for most studios. The model is not the studio's model. Most models are independent contractors. Also, not all models do every kind of scene. The model may not do what is asked and another model must be selected by the customer.

Furthermore, a producer should be honest about a performer's ability. A producer is being untruthful if he or she knows the model is unable to deliver a good scene. The producer is aware he or she is making a bad movie and do not care about providing a quality product to the customer.
If a producer is hiring a model for a movie that's their model, that's the model whose performance the producer is vouching for and backing.

Should have thought that was obvious from the phrasing but this is what I mean about different people reading the same sentence and reaching different conclusions.
Just to be clear... this was a trial run. So I was aware that I was taking a risk in accepting the recommendation of the producer regarding the model. But really, that's part of the test. Is this a producer who knows what her models are capable of and who is honest about it?

In this case, the most generous interpretation is that Hannah honestly, but drastically overestimated the models capabilities. Worst case is that she just told me whatever I wanted to hear in order to make a sale.
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Dixon wrote: 2 years ago I've worked with Hannah on several customs. In my experience, she is very professional and creative, and does her best to bring my scripts to life.

That being said, I believe she books models to shoot several customs per day. I don't know how many, but I know it's usually a long day. This leaves her and her models very little time to rehearse or study the script. And once they start shooting your custom, there may not be time for multiple takes. This is probably the only way for her business model to be profitable.

So, when you have five pages of dialogue, all to be delivered by an amateur actor with little preparation, mistakes are inevitable. I understand how disappointing it must have been when the star of your video kept flubbing her lines, especially if hearing her say those specific things word-for-word was what you wanted the most. But it's just unrealistic to expect seamless recitation of a long, detailed script in a fetish custom video. That's why I keep written dialogue to a minimum in my scripts. Instead, I give a general idea of what I want the characters to say.

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This is more very bad advice. Do people just accept anything from a custom? A business's poor scheduling and structure is the business's fault. That is not an excuse for delivering a bad product. I don't care how many customs were shot on that day. A producer is responsible for delivering a good product if they agreed to film it and the customer has paid for it.

I don't care if you 1,000 lines. The producer should include every line if they agreed to film it.

Do you know a lot of adult entertainment is role play and there are a lot of lines in some videos. Some stories are as long as 10 to 15 minutes before anything sexual happens. There are a lot of lines during that time. Some videos have special lines during the sex.

We should hold all adult performers to the same standards. Ashley Lane can nail a scene so I expect every model to nail a scene. That is not unreasonable. That is the job that they agreed to do.

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GeekyPornCritic wrote: 2 years ago
Dogfish wrote: 2 years ago Of course the producer is going to say that their model can do what is asked of them.
There is a lot of bad information from this single sentence. Most models are not employees for most studios. The model is not the studio's model. Most models are independent contractors. Also, not all models do every kind of scene. The model may not do what is asked and another model must be selected by the customer.

Furthermore, a producer should be honest about a performer's ability. A producer is being untruthful if he or she knows the model is unable to deliver a good scene. The producer is aware he or she is making a bad movie and do not care about providing a quality product to the customer.
If a producer is hiring a model for a movie that's their model, that's the model whose performance the producer is vouching for and backing.

Should have thought that was obvious from the phrasing but this is what I mean about different people reading the same sentence and reaching different conclusions.
She's not their model. That's what you're not understanding. If she was a contract model to be exclusive to the studio, then I would totally agree with you. However, she is not their model. "Their model" is a totally different statement than backing someone who is an independent contractor. "Their model" means a model is exclusive to a studio. Hiring an independent contract does not mean the person is your employee.

It's not obvious at all due to you stating incorrect information and you continue to say it.
TIEnTEEZ wrote: 2 years ago Just to be clear... this was a trial run. So I was aware that I was taking a risk in accepting the recommendation of the producer regarding the model. But really, that's part of the test. Is this a producer who knows what her models are capable of and who is honest about it?

In this case, the most generous interpretation is that Hannah honestly, but drastically overestimated the models capabilities. Worst case is that she just told me whatever I wanted to hear in order to make a sale.
I'm just judging by your original statement. Hannah said this model is incredible, but her performance shows otherwise. Model's don't normally "regress". It sounds like Hannah wanted to make a sale. She didn't reshoot the first scene after the major mistake. That is a sign of she did not care about delivering a good product.

A good businesswoman or man would not feel comfortable delivering a video with a glaring mistake, and would have redid the opening scene.
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GeekyPornCritic wrote: 2 years ago I'm just judging by your original statement. Hannah said this model is incredible, but her performance shows otherwise. Model's don't normally "regress". It sounds like Hannah wanted to make a sale. She didn't reshoot the first scene after the major mistake. That is a sign of she did not care about delivering a good product.

A good businesswoman or man would not feel comfortable delivering a video with a glaring mistake, and would have redid the opening scene.
It is, of course, possible that Hannah truly believe that this model would do a good job. So I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt on that. The thing that REALLY irks me is the very first line. I would NEVER release a product like that. It would have been SO easy to fix. It's not like it was a line 5 minutes into a long scene. It was the FIRST line. Start over and re-shoot it. It would have taken 10 seconds.

For a while there, she seemed to be suggesting that she was going to reshoot the whole video for me for free. But I haven't gotten a response from her in over a day, now, so I am not holding my breath.
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I don't think my advice is "very bad," just realistic. At least at this price point. If you have ever commissioned a fetish video with a long, detailed script with an expectation of Brazzers-level performances, I bet you were charged a lot more than $600.
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Dixon wrote: 2 years ago I don't think my advice is "very bad," just realistic. At least at this price point. If you have ever commissioned a fetish video with a long, detailed script with an expectation of Brazzers-level performances, I bet you were charged a lot more than $600.
What is a "Brazzers Performance"? Many models on this site such as Kendra James has worked with Brazzers. Should her performance decline for a custom for her superheroine story? The answer is no. A model should always give her best performance for every video. It does not matter who the company is.

I purchased customs from Primal Fetish and every model from those videos has appeared at Brazzers. Their performances were professional for both companies.
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There are many reasons for an actor or actress giving a lesser performance than those they've given in the past. Could be the director, attitude on set, timing issues distracting her or any number of items. Does that make her less professional? Is someone like Brad Pitt as Achilles in the movie Troy being unprofessional. He's a very good actor of late. And was very good before his Achilles role. It feels like you're being a bit hard on the talent here, Geeky.
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The thing here too is this stuff is incredibly subjective. One person's perfect performance could bore somebody else to tears. This is why I said casting is important. There are women I've had customs from who I find so hot that I could watch them do a tax return for half an hour and feel grateful for the opportunity. There are other women who I like and respect as artists but whose work leaves me cold, so I wouldn't cast them in a movie, it's always going to be very personal.

To drop a model into a movie when you don't know she's got it in her range, and when you don't know if you're that into her, that's a difficult situation. Calling it a trial run is fair enough, because you've got to lower your expectations with a model whose work you're not familiar with.

I would also add that I don't think the director's done the model any favours by not getting the first line down properly, because that easily fixed mistake reflects poorly on the model. That's not the model's fault though, that's on the director/producer.
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I've only done 1 custom with Hannah starring her and she did a good job. But I'd seen her in many clips over the years so knew she could pull off a good performance. I agree that when taking on a new model for a custom, it's probably safest to make it simpler or short to lower the risk. I did that with Lucy Purr a few years back but was lucky she was REALLY good. On the other hand, I recently tried one with "Eden" who's been on a bunch of clips for SKW, Sumiko, and Hannah, but her performance was notwhere near as good as her body looks🤷‍♂️. Luckily it was a short clip. Hope your next one goes better!
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Quick update, just to be fair. Hannah seems to be following through on her offer to have the video completely re-made with another model. I am waiting for her list of upcoming models so I can pick one. So that's very generous and a great offer on her part. :)
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Another quick update on this story, in case anyone is still interested...

Hannah sent our her November newsletter with upcoming models. So I asked her if she would redo my video with Sadie Holmes and she agreed. It'll be a while, but after I get the redo, I will update this review.
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TIEnTEEZ wrote: 2 years ago Another quick update on this story, in case anyone is still interested...

Hannah sent our her November newsletter with upcoming models. So I asked her if she would redo my video with Sadie Holmes and she agreed. It'll be a while, but after I get the redo, I will update this review.
That's great news. Sadie Holmes has experience in adult entertainment and femdom movies. I'm sure she will deliver a good performance.
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GeekyPornCritic wrote: 2 years ago
TIEnTEEZ wrote: 2 years ago Another quick update on this story, in case anyone is still interested...

Hannah sent our her November newsletter with upcoming models. So I asked her if she would redo my video with Sadie Holmes and she agreed. It'll be a while, but after I get the redo, I will update this review.
That's great news. Sadie Holmes has experience in adult entertainment and femdom movies. I'm sure she will deliver a good performance.
Yeah, I'd be really shocked if this one didn't come out light-years better than the first one. :)
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Re: Hannah Perez / Fetishland trial run mini-review

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Just read the thread here. Looks like in the end HP is going to come through and do the right thing as a Producer.

I work in mainstream film/video production for a living. Hands down it is the Producer's responsibility to deliver the product a client asks for. It is also the Producer's responsibility to price out the production properly. If the Producer has any experience, and I think HP does, then they have to look at the script and know how much time it will take to get a particular script done (within a reasonable margin of error). That also means doing it right. Fucked up lines HAVE to be done right... that's the Producer's responsibility, if they want any repeat business and a good reputation. The Producer has to make good on the promises they make to their customers.

Someone mentioned above about how full a Producer's filming day may be. Great for them, but they have to assess if a customer's script can be done (including correcting blatant errors like script and action). IF it looks like the script is too much for the time allotted, then the Producer can say it will cost more, or simply can't be done. Yeah I know it's a business and it has small margins so a production day has to be filled to the brim to make back the costs, but you can only film so much in one day and you have to know that going into that day. Otherwise you screw the customer and deliver an inferior product.

As for assessing Models... that's also the Producer's (or Director's, if there is a division of labor) responsibility. Certainly if the Model is given a recommendation, they have to deliver on their word. For a Producer to hire a "bimbo" who can't act that's their screw-up and they should know better. They had better know who they have on the set if they want the right product produced. I had a Producer who refused to work with a Model I really wanted because he knew the trouble she caused on-set. I had another producer ON THE DAY OF THE FILMING cancel it because the model showed up looking like shit and knew it wouldn't work. I have also had productions delayed because of various Model -related issues.... Producers HAVE to know whom they are working with and can trust to get the job done right... including just showing up for shoot!

Long of the short is that good Producers will create better customs and get repeat business. Screw-ups happen and then they have to do the right thing. I also had a producer screw up a custom. I told him how unhappy I was and he agreed that what he shot was not what I wrote in the script (not a SHIP script). He re-shot it for me at N/C (with different Models). It looks like Hanna is coming through in the end, but it is a real "red light" when things were done so poor the first time. I hope things work out for the next version of the custom.

As I noted on another post. This is why it is good to share these experiences so we the future customer can make more informed choices regarding ordering customs.
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So... final update on this.
Hannah got back to me and sent me a completely new video starring Sadie Holmes. The new video is vastly superior to the original.

To be totally honest, the video was not all that I hoped for. But I had the same video made by several different performers and none of them were very good. But I am convinced it's the fault of the script, not the producers.

So as far as ordering from Hannah Perez/Fetishland, I can't complain. Serving up an entire remake of a video at no extra cost is absolutely amazing. That's great business, and I would not hesitate to do business with her again. :)
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Good to hear on the remake TnT. I recently got back my 2nd custom from Hannah/Fetishland starring Emily Addison and thought it came out well also. Best of all time no (execution of all the details we have in mind is tough to communicate), but good enough that I'm slotted for #3 in a couple of weeks starring another model.
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TIEnTEEZ, I'm glad to hear that things worked out positively for you in the end with Hannah Perez/Fetishland Studios. I've worked a lot with Hannah over the past few years and have found her to be professional and fair. She definitely has listened to my feedback whenever I've noted anything that wasn't what I intended, and she's fixed those mistakes in subsequent videos (nothing has ever been so far off as to warrant a complete remake, but there have been some models on Hannah's roster that I wouldn't use again because they just couldn't handle the material properly). My scripts also involve a lot of highly idiosyncratic detail, and it's been hard for me to find producers who will seriously entertain the level of detail. Some will decline the project outright, others will accept the script and then pay very little attention to what I wrote and just do whatever they want. In my personal experience, Hannah has been the kind of producer that I look for, one who is willing to take on the detail in the first place, will clearly state the cost implications of the detail up front, and then will make a serious effort to implement the script as written. Errors are inevitable (often because, in retrospect, I realize that what I wrote wasn't clear on a certain point, or less frequently Hannah or her assistant may just miss something), but I tend to focus on the long haul with a producer, so what's really important to me is that they listen carefully to feedback and fix issues the next time around. Over time, the error rate drops as we get more and more onto the same page about what I'm looking for, and the scripts actually can get shorter and less detailed, because they just know me after a while. That's where I am with Hannah now, and I really enjoy working with her. But I've had plenty of other producers that I just cut my losses and stopped using after a couple tries, because it was clear they weren't really serious about trying to fix the issues and just couldn't care less. To me, making a mistake is not automatically bad business (obviously that depends on the magnitude of the mistake), but not taking feedback seriously and not truly trying to improve is HORRIBLE business, and that's when I walk away.
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