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Yeah maybe Will put that whole concept on his back and said, "I'll drum up some buzz for the Oscars!" It's as good as an explanation as any.joejanus wrote: ↑2 years agoWhy aren't the feminists upset at a man for acting like his wife needs him to defend her? How chauvinistic! As to staging for getting attention to the oscar wieners, in the words of Harry Reid when confronted with his outright lies about a presidential candidate cheating on his taxes, "It worked, didn't it?"
Yes Mr. X, the Andy Kaufman/Jerry Lawler incident was indeed staged. In the Andy Kaufman biopic which starred Jim Carrey, they covered that in the film, bringing back the wrestler to play himself and confirming it was all fake and contrived. Kaufman was working a wrestling angle with Lawler down in Tennessee with Kaufman playing the Hollywood arrogant bad guy heel.
That is ridiculous. Will Smith's reputation and standing have been seriously damaged. There is no way in hell he would agree to that when he'd have got plenty of publicity anyway from his first Oscar win.sugarcoater wrote: ↑2 years agoMy impression is that this was 100% staged to garner attention. The Oscars has long ago lost most of its audience and ratings have been plummeting for some time now. This little incident has people once again referencing the Oscars. Would there have been any references here if not for that incident?
Maybe he didn't know about her alopecia. I didn't, until all this happened. Not very natural to assume that a person's haircut is the result of a medical condition, ceteris paribus.sneakly wrote: ↑2 years agoJada gave him a “are you going to fucking let him say that?” look that amounted to castration. He would have done better to getup and escort his wife out for the remainder of the set. It would have gone over better.
Rock should have known better than to make a joke about something that personal. She lost her hair because of a medical condition. I can’t imagine how he didn’t see a red flag on that. Good actors and performers are often that way because character flaws. He should have junked his “all about love speech” and spoken honestly when he got his Oscar. The speech didn’t help.
A black friend who follows the media closer than I told me that Jada can be very controlling and manipulative. Left to his own devices Smith probably would have let it slide. She had talked about the condition publicly on a number of occasions. Making a joke about a fifty year old actress’s hair seems fraught with danger in such a beauty conscious industry.Damselbinder wrote: ↑2 years agoMaybe he didn't know about her alopecia. I didn't, until all this happened. Not very natural to assume that a person's haircut is the result of a medical condition, ceteris paribus.sneakly wrote: ↑2 years agoJada gave him a “are you going to fucking let him say that?” look that amounted to castration. He would have done better to getup and escort his wife out for the remainder of the set. It would have gone over better.
Rock should have known better than to make a joke about something that personal. She lost her hair because of a medical condition. I can’t imagine how he didn’t see a red flag on that. Good actors and performers are often that way because character flaws. He should have junked his “all about love speech” and spoken honestly when he got his Oscar. The speech didn’t help.
Damselbinder wrote: ↑2 years agoMaybe he didn't know about her alopecia. I didn't, until all this happened. Not very natural to assume that a person's haircut is the result of a medical condition, ceteris paribus.sneakly wrote: ↑2 years agoJada gave him a “are you going to fucking let him say that?” look that amounted to castration. He would have done better to getup and escort his wife out for the remainder of the set. It would have gone over better.
Rock should have known better than to make a joke about something that personal. She lost her hair because of a medical condition. I can’t imagine how he didn’t see a red flag on that. Good actors and performers are often that way because character flaws. He should have junked his “all about love speech” and spoken honestly when he got his Oscar. The speech didn’t help.
Didn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.Damselbinder wrote: ↑2 years agoThat is ridiculous. Will Smith's reputation and standing have been seriously damaged. There is no way in hell he would agree to that when he'd have got plenty of publicity anyway from his first Oscar win.sugarcoater wrote: ↑2 years agoMy impression is that this was 100% staged to garner attention. The Oscars has long ago lost most of its audience and ratings have been plummeting for some time now. This little incident has people once again referencing the Oscars. Would there have been any references here if not for that incident?
Ceteris paribus, I like "If the presenter jokes about a person's appearance that is caused by an illness, the person is offended": If the presenter were respectful, then the person would not be offended.Damselbinder wrote: ↑2 years agoMaybe he didn't know about her alopecia. I didn't, until all this happened. Not very natural to assume that a person's haircut is the result of a medical condition, ceteris paribus.sneakly wrote: ↑2 years agoJada gave him a “are you going to fucking let him say that?” look that amounted to castration. He would have done better to getup and escort his wife out for the remainder of the set. It would have gone over better.
Rock should have known better than to make a joke about something that personal. She lost her hair because of a medical condition. I can’t imagine how he didn’t see a red flag on that. Good actors and performers are often that way because character flaws. He should have junked his “all about love speech” and spoken honestly when he got his Oscar. The speech didn’t help.
I think it sets a precedent that now offended people can slap someone for example an offended trans person slapping Chappelle.sugarcoater wrote: ↑2 years agoDidn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
That is nothing new. There are stories of Joe DiMaggio, Frank Sinatra, Mickey Rooney all had reputationsMr. X wrote: ↑2 years agoI think it sets a precedent that now offended people can slap someone for example an offended trans person slapping Chappelle.sugarcoater wrote: ↑2 years agoDidn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
I agree with you Mr. X. This may sound silly to some, but a taboo has been broken, and now dopes and morons will see the Smith/Rock example and feel it is not as out there ridiculously insane as it was last week to storm the stage when they hear something they don't like from a performer, some folks may feel more empowered to storm the stage, especially with some fools online endorsing the idea of justifying violence for real or perceived slights.Mr. X wrote: ↑2 years agoI think it sets a precedent that now offended people can slap someone for example an offended trans person slapping Chappelle.sugarcoater wrote: ↑2 years agoDidn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
Yeah, you really can't have working actors assaulting each other in public on awards shows. Doesn't matter what the excuse is, it's bad for business. Since Smith resigned from the Academy before they could ban him, they had to make a show of force with the 10-year ban. Smith should be more worried about SAG-AFTRA, whose disciplinary measures could simply cut him off from working in Hollywood at all.Mr. X wrote: ↑2 years agoI think it sets a precedent that now offended people can slap someone for example an offended trans person slapping Chappelle.sugarcoater wrote: ↑2 years agoDidn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
There's also no way to know if Chris even knew there was a medical situation or not. I didn't knew she had a medical condition, more than half the world likely doesn't even still. A joke is a joke, if you find it offensive you use your words. There's far worse things as a woman than to be compared to a woman portraying a US marine.Dogfish wrote: ↑2 years agoPersonally I think that Rock crossed a line roasting a woman for a medical condition. You can say some shit and it's the Oscars and it's funny (or generally not) but that seemed lower than normal.
As to people worrying about comedians getting slapped, worse than that happens all the time.
The trick to working out a valid conspiracy is to look for what there is to GAIN. For it to work as a staged event there needs to be reason that it benefits all parties involved equally. The event 'marginally' benefits the Oscars ratings-wise... but it also puts pressure on them to DO something about it which isn't particularly desirable. It marginally benefits Chris Rock cause he gets sympathy as the assaulted party. It doesn't benefit Will Smith AT ALL. Bear in mind that the old adage of 'Any press is good press' doesn't exist anymore. We're in the 'Cancel Culture' age as we like to talk about a lot out here these days. You get bad press and you get CANCELLED... and the only press you can get for assaulting somebody in front of thousands of people is bad press. Therefore, since Will Smith does NOT benefit from being involved in this conspiracy, the likelihood of the event being staged is negligible contingent on a small chance that somehow all the parties involved never considered the possibility that assaulting Chris Rock in front of thousands of people wouldn't be positively received. That amounts to far too many involved failing their common sense check to get my vote.sugarcoater wrote: ↑2 years agoPerhaps the incident was not staged, but you’ll have to excuse my incredulity as to the “reality” of an incident performed by actors who work in a field that values ratings. The two did something that generated a ton of buzz over a show that has been irrelevant for years. Sounds like a great plan to get people to check out what happened at the Oscars.
Yeah for sure... it does depend on the person a bit. I'd be relieved... 'so I can win at home? f'k yeah!' buuuuuut there are people who LIKE to go do that sort of thing believe it or not... no idea where Smith stands on it though.
I think the threat of him banned from the film actors guild would be more damaging given he can never work with guild members and anyone employing a guild member cannot hire non-guild members. So maybe we'll see him in some Asylum pictures.
If we are talking real punishment, he needs to stay married to Jada. Every morning he has to wake up and look at the face of the woman who made him fuck up what should have been the best night of his life…
A lot of the reporters and tv pundits who covered the story in the immediate aftermath seemed to be unaware too. She had mentioned it on her social media, but apparently it hadn't really been reported too widely outside of fan circles it seems. At least, that's what some of the news reports seemed to hint at. Jada has a complicated past. I'm sure if she had not been such a devisive character then newspapers and TV would have been falling over themselves to celebrate her bravery, but I suspect many punted on doing a simpathetic story on a celeb that half the audience might consider to be a villain.
There's also Occam's Razor. If you're going to commit a forgery, why make it more complicated than it needs to be? If this really was pre-planned, would it not have been easier to recruit some has-been actor who needed the attention and didn't have anything to lose? Would it not have been wiser to avoid the embarrassment (and potential negative audience reaction) of your chosen conspirator having to later go up and collect an Oscar after the assault by choosing someone who wasn't nominated for an award? Would you not have carefully positioned security staff near the stage so they could immediately pretend to spring into action and escort the offender from the hall, rather than deliberately let the world think you're innept and disorganised by letting the fake offender return to his seat and sit out the rest of the show while you appear to run around like headless chickens?The trick to working out a valid conspiracy is to look for what there is to GAIN. For it to work as a staged event there needs to be reason that it benefits all parties involved equally. The event 'marginally' benefits the Oscars ratings-wise... but it also puts pressure on them to DO something about it which isn't particularly desirable. It marginally benefits Chris Rock cause he gets sympathy as the assaulted party. It doesn't benefit Will Smith AT ALL.
In the immediate aftermath of Michael Jacksons' death a good friend of mine and myself joked that it was all a conspiracy to help sell his upcoming farewell tour, and over several emails we concocted a mock parallel version of events that (we pretended) the media were being banned from telling.sneakly wrote: ↑2 years agoIf this was planned, someone would have long ago come out and said so. Will Smith would never destroy his career and ruin what really should have been the best night of his life. The only person that would ever take stunt this far was Andy Kaufman. And I think he is still playing dead…
That actually happened last night. If you have tonight's lottery numbers, I would appreciate you sending me a PM.Mr. X wrote: ↑2 years agoI think it sets a precedent that now offended people can slap someone for example an offended trans person slapping Chappelle.sugarcoater wrote: ↑2 years agoDidn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/da ... -rcna27239bushwackerbob wrote: ↑2 years agoThat actually happened last night. If you have tonight's lottery numbers, I would appreciate you sending me a PM.Mr. X wrote: ↑2 years agoI think it sets a precedent that now offended people can slap someone for example an offended trans person slapping Chappelle.sugarcoater wrote: ↑2 years agoDidn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
Agreed. We have somehow lost the ability in this country to calmly or even mildly say "I don't like what you said and I vehemently disagree with it" and leave it at that. I may have been a bit premature in inferring the jerk who assaulted Chappelle was trans. I might have erred in that regard.Femina wrote: ↑2 years ago*Sigh* I'd almost like to accuse you of doing it yourself just to make the prophesy come true... (Not serious)
It begins.
THIS is why we don't slap each other ever... but especially over jokes. We don't know very well yet that this guy was trans for SURE, but considering Chappelle history and his jab at the man after he was arrested it's probable the 'inciting' joke was at the expense of the Trans community and it doesn't fuckin matter! We don't. Hit. Each. Other over stupid shit like a god damn stand up comedian routine. Don't like the comedy? DON'T GO! You want to hurt a comedian? Don't laugh, call him an asshole, and walk out.
I need some alcohol.