Is my custom idea impossible?

[GeekyPornCritic]

Hi everybody!

I have been in contact with several producers in the past 8 months to do a custom scene. The story is about a female villain sexually dominating a black man. You can guess that I am black. That's really doesn't matter. There are many black male models in the porn industry and all of them are stereotypes. I want producers to book a non-stereotype model. A slim and clean cut African American male model. Not a single producer has been able to find this type of male model. One producer ignored my wishes and wanted to book a stereotype. I kept my cool and said no thank you. You clearly missed the ball on this one. Just say you can't find a clean cut black man in the industry to hire for my custom.

I am not into hip-hop and urban culture. I do not relate to blacks in this culture. It's not self-hate. It's just not my style. This is my fantasy and I want it in my image. I have seen a lot of porn and never once have I seen a non-stereotype black man. I have seen every other race with many different life styles and cultures accepted in the adult industry. I have seen white men of all shapes and sizes be welcomed in open arms. However I also know that women who are attracted to black men do not like clean cut black men. They may like clean cut white men. These same women prefer stereotypical black men, and that's their choice. Maybe that's why professional or slim black men are not welcomed in the adult industry.

[Heroine Addict]

I hope you find what you're looking for. I guess the onus is largely upon you to research which performers operate in the vicinity of particular producers.

[Dazzle1]

out of curiosity have you reached outside the producers in this genre?

Just an observation that most of the performers in superheroine fetish are not African American

[athenaartemis]

Hi everybody!

I have been in contact with several producers in the past 8 months to do a custom scene. The story is about a female villain sexually dominating a black man. You can guess that I am black. That's really doesn't matter. There are many black male models in the porn industry and all of them are stereotypes. I want producers to book a non-stereotype model. A slim and clean cut African American male model. Not a single producer has been able to find this type of male model. One producer ignored my wishes and wanted to book a stereotype. I kept my cool and said no thank you. You clearly missed the ball on this one. Just say you can't find a clean cut black man in the industry to hire for my custom.

I am not into hip-hop and urban culture. I do not relate to blacks in this culture. It's not self-hate. It's just not my style. This is my fantasy and I want it in my image. I have seen a lot of porn and never once have I seen a non-stereotype black man. I have seen every other race with many different life styles and cultures accepted in the adult industry. I have seen white men of all shapes and sizes be welcomed in open arms. However I also know that women who are attracted to black men do not like clean cut black men. They may like clean cut white men. These same women prefer stereotypical black men, and that's their choice. Maybe that's why professional or slim black men are not welcomed in the adult industry.

Have you looked at successful producers of FEMDOM videos at C4S?

[Heroine Addict]

Have you looked at successful producers of FEMDOM videos at C4S?

That's a good idea. Sometimes this stuff needs to be approached from the opposite direction.

I was talking to someone recently who was having trouble finding an SH producer to do a specific niche fetish. When it would have been easier to get one of the many producers who specializes in that fetish to buy a superheroine costume.

[MightyHypnotic]

Hi everybody!

I have been in contact with several producers in the past 8 months to do a custom scene. The story is about a female villain sexually dominating a black man. You can guess that I am black. That's really doesn't matter. There are many black male models in the porn industry and all of them are stereotypes. I want producers to book a non-stereotype model. A slim and clean cut African American male model. Not a single producer has been able to find this type of male model. One producer ignored my wishes and wanted to book a stereotype. I kept my cool and said no thank you. You clearly missed the ball on this one. Just say you can't find a clean cut black man in the industry to hire for my custom.

I am not into hip-hop and urban culture. I do not relate to blacks in this culture. It's not self-hate. It's just not my style. This is my fantasy and I want it in my image. I have seen a lot of porn and never once have I seen a non-stereotype black man. I have seen every other race with many different life styles and cultures accepted in the adult industry. I have seen white men of all shapes and sizes be welcomed in open arms. However I also know that women who are attracted to black men do not like clean cut black men. They may like clean cut white men. These same women prefer stereotypical black men, and that's their choice. Maybe that's why professional or slim black men are not welcomed in the adult industry.

I don't know about your personal experiences but there are plenty of slim black men in the porn industry. Not as many, but they're there.

I think the bigger problem might be the fact that a producer usually will only charge a client for the model fees with the hopes they will make up their other costs when they resell a video. Shooting, editing, costumes, location if applicable, etc.

Maybe there are producers out there who don't see the potential for sales with such a custom. These aren't my beliefs, I am talking strictly from a business perspective.

Send me your custom idea and I'll take a look at it and I'll give you feedback on it if you'd like.

[email protected]

[KnightsofGotham.com]

Hi everybody!

I have been in contact with several producers in the past 8 months to do a custom scene. The story is about a female villain sexually dominating a black man. You can guess that I am black. That's really doesn't matter. There are many black male models in the porn industry and all of them are stereotypes. I want producers to book a non-stereotype model. A slim and clean cut African American male model. Not a single producer has been able to find this type of male model. One producer ignored my wishes and wanted to book a stereotype. I kept my cool and said no thank you. You clearly missed the ball on this one. Just say you can't find a clean cut black man in the industry to hire for my custom.

I am not into hip-hop and urban culture. I do not relate to blacks in this culture. It's not self-hate. It's just not my style. This is my fantasy and I want it in my image. I have seen a lot of porn and never once have I seen a non-stereotype black man. I have seen every other race with many different life styles and cultures accepted in the adult industry. I have seen white men of all shapes and sizes be welcomed in open arms. However I also know that women who are attracted to black men do not like clean cut black men. They may like clean cut white men. These same women prefer stereotypical black men, and that's their choice. Maybe that's why professional or slim black men are not welcomed in the adult industry.

I don't know about your personal experiences but there are plenty of slim black men in the porn industry. Not as many, but they're there.

I think the bigger problem might be the fact that a producer usually will only charge a client for the model fees with the hopes they will make up their other costs when they resell a video. Shooting, editing, costumes, location if applicable, etc.

Maybe there are producers out there who don't see the potential for sales with such a custom. These aren't my beliefs, I am talking strictly from a business perspective.

Send me your custom idea and I'll take a look at it and I'll give you feedback on it if you'd like.

[email protected]

this exactly.
Also another issue
(not saying its the problem here)
Is that many clients don't want to pay for the male talent.
I have had many clients who have asked for a thick muscular bane like body builder. I found three and when i told the client what they were asking for pay the client said forget it.
the client ended up blaming me for not finding the right type of male lead when in reality it wasn't me so much as not being able to find the right one to do it for free!

Again, not saying that this is whats going on here

[GeekyPornCritic]

out of curiosity have you reached outside the producers in this genre?

Just an observation that most of the performers in superheroine fetish are not African American

There are also not a lot of African American producers in porn. I have two interracial scenes and they were producer by Primal. They feature the same co-stars and its about the guy impregnating Wonder Woman. The videos were made during Primal's early years.

Have you looked at successful producers of FEMDOM videos at C4S?

Most black men are not into femdom sex. Black culture encourages black men to be hyper masculine. Femdom is a huge no no in black culture. I have contacted Lance from Prevout, but he doesn't know any black models who fit the image that I am looking for.

I don't know about your personal experiences but there are plenty of slim black men in the porn industry. Not as many, but they're there.

I think the bigger problem might be the fact that a producer usually will only charge a client for the model fees with the hopes they will make up their other costs when they resell a video. Shooting, editing, costumes, location if applicable, etc.

Maybe there are producers out there who don't see the potential for sales with such a custom. These aren't my beliefs, I am talking strictly from a business perspective.

Send me your custom idea and I'll take a look at it and I'll give you feedback on it if you'd like.

[email protected]

May you give me a list of slim black men who are not stereotypes? I haven't seen any in porn. I must have overlooked them or they rarely get hired as most pornstars work with stereotypes.


I actually have lesbian idea that I will email to you first if you don't mind.

this exactly.
Also another issue
(not saying its the problem here)
Is that many clients don't want to pay for the male talent.
I have had many clients who have asked for a thick muscular bane like body builder. I found three and when i told the client what they were asking for pay the client said forget it.
the client ended up blaming me for not finding the right type of male lead when in reality it wasn't me so much as not being able to find the right one to do it for free!

Again, not saying that this is whats going on here

I encountered a simpler problem earlier this year. I won't name the producer. The main problems was the female's IR model rate. I believe her rate was reasonable with most men except for African Americans. She charges $5,000 for an IR scene. Sorry, wait I am not sorry. I will not support a model who doubles or triples her rate when working with an African American. You shouldn't offer IR scenes if you are going to greatly increase your rate to an unreasonable price because the co-actor is black. The producer was basically charging me more as a black customer and that is illegal.

[MightyHypnotic]

Ok. I offered to help you and instead you want to send me a completely different script. If you're here to troll and complain about a black double standard, this isn't the forum for that.

I don't have a list of names. I just know people that I see, being in California and around different actors and actresses (We still call em that, right?)

So let me make it very simple for you. Go to Dogfart.com Find a black man that is to your liking. There are many. Next, there is also a big list of white and black girls that enjoy having sex with these men. Pick one of those.

Tell Dogfart about your custom and have it made for you. Or if you want a superheroine producer to do it for you and you have the money, I will produce it for you. There are plenty of other producers out here that will do it for you if you don't like those last 2 choices.

It's not as difficult as you're making it out to be. As for the rates, a girl has every right to charge whatever she wants. It's her body, but I don't know any girl out here that charges 5k for IR. I doubt it goes past 2k if that.

Trust me, with the current state of online porn sales, no production company is paying 5k for anyone.

[Mr. X]

this exactly.
Also another issue
(not saying its the problem here)
Is that many clients don't want to pay for the male talent.
I have had many clients who have asked for a thick muscular bane like body builder. I found three and when i told the client what they were asking for pay the client said forget it.
the client ended up blaming me for not finding the right type of male lead when in reality it wasn't me so much as not being able to find the right one to do it for free!

Again, not saying that this is whats going on here

This is why most villains in videos look like pizza delivery guys.

Primal is lucky they have their male talent.

[GeekyPornCritic]

Ok. I offered to help you and instead you want to send me a completely different script. If you're here to troll and complain about a black double standard, this isn't the forum for that.

I don't have a list of names. I just know people that I see, being in California and around different actors and actresses (We still call em that, right?)

So let me make it very simple for you. Go to Dogfart.com Find a black man that is to your liking. There are many. Next, there is also a big list of white and black girls that enjoy having sex with these men. Pick one of those.

Tell Dogfart about your custom and have it made for you. Or if you want a superheroine producer to do it for you and you have the money, I will produce it for you. There are plenty of other producers out here that will do it for you if you don't like those last 2 choices.

It's not as difficult as you're making it out to be. As for the rates, a girl has every right to charge whatever she wants. It's her body, but I don't know any girl out here that charges 5k for IR. I doubt it goes past 2k if that.

Trust me, with the current state of online porn sales, no production company is paying 5k for anyone.

I am not being a troll.

Why would you advised me to go to Dogfart of all places? Dogfart's porn features stereotypical black male models. The site's content screams hip hop culture and I dislike hip hop. They don't fit what I am looking. It has been very hard for me to find a producer for my custom. Do you now understand why I am having a hard time with this custom? For one last time for you to understand I DO NOT WANT A STEREOTYPE BLACK MALE MODEL. I do not see these women enjoying NON-STEREOTYPICAL BLACK MEN. I am not looking for Little Wayne. My actor's body type and style needs to be like Andrew Garfield.

Yes I offered a Lesbian custom because I have been working on that as well. It's not to troll you. I have both scripts and I know you have done many lesbian scenes. Why is that problem? I regret sending that email to you now. I should have read your response first.

This producer said my custom would cost $5,000 for the model. I have the emails to prove it. I did not post the emails to keep the producer's name confidential.

[MightyHypnotic]

I looked on the site and it took me all of 3 minutes to find the kind of guy you are looking for. I don't know what to tell you.

I'll look at your lesbian script and email you back.

Good luck.

[Heroine Addict]

I can see how a model can vary prices depending on the body type of the guy she's supposed to fuck or the kinky fetish stuff she's expected to do. But setting different prices based on skin color - and skin color alone - seems massively discriminatory. I get these are bespoke productions and the pricing is at the discretion of the model/producer. And it's fair enough if specific black performers themselves charge a higher than average rate that needs to be covered by the customer. However, setting one price for working with white talent and another price for working with black talent - without any other specifics - seems, y'know, blatantly racist.

[batgirl1969]

Have you tried Blacked.com? Their interracial scenes are not the stereotypical hip hop that you describe, they have very professional looking slim clean cut black men with only white women and their videos are out of this world....I would say if I was to ever do an interracial video, it would be with them...some of the dogfart videos scare me...it just seems so rough at times, not that thats all bad...but some the men are MASSIVE....no way some girls could take it. Try Blacked.com I can't imagine them doing customs but who knows....good luck! (Btw....IR is my fav!)

[KnightsofGotham.com]

Have you tried Blacked.com? Their interracial scenes are not the stereotypical hip hop that you describe, they have very professional looking slim clean cut black men with only white women and their videos are out of this world

Thats a good suggestion for him. sure there are Hippity-Hop thugs there but there are also a few professional looks with no stereotypes to them.

I can see how a model can vary prices depending on the body type of the guy she's supposed to fuck or the kinky fetish stuff she's expected to do. But setting different prices based on skin color - and skin color alone - seems massively discriminatory.

My life has me with one foot in the fetish world and one foot in the porn world.
I have spoken to many women about the industry and I have found a common thread regarding Interracial content.
Many women charge more not because they're black, but because they are HUGE.
its painful, and not in that good way.
Pornography isn't like reality. In reality if you have a connection with a black man and bring him home and you start messing around and you find out he is huge, larger than any man you have ever been with you give it a go but its uncomfortable and extremely painful and you tell him you just can't but you will finish him off orally or with a hand job. thats fine.
If you can take the size then its never for very long. 10 minutes to 20 minutes of penetration

In Porn you have to take it no matter the size.
you have to take it for hours!
there are some porn films that are shot in front of a window and if you try hard enough you can spot there changes in light.

Ive spoken women who charge more because its painful.
one person I spoke to no longer does tham because even though she loves black men she can't stand the pain after she literally starts swelling up inside.
For many proffesionalactressess interracial isn't something thats fun its painful and there are also models i have spoken to who are i9n a relationship with a black man but won't have interracial sex on camera because its too long to shoot and it gets uncomfortable.

So before we start throwing the racism card around lets try to remember there are always other reasons for why things happen

[Heroine Addict]

That would come under the specifics of body type I mentioned.

I haven't done much research on the subject of black cocks (or cocks in general) but surely they can't all be HUGE? And even if there's evidence to suggest black cocks are statistically more likely to be HUGE, then surely the model should set her rate by penis length/girth, rather than race? So the same higher rate would be charged for sex with a well-endowed white performer.

If a policy is determined by generalizations about race, rather than the specifics of the individual, that can only possibly be described as racism.

[KnightsofGotham.com]

That would come under the specifics of body type I mentioned.

I haven't done much research on the subject of black cocks (or cocks in general) but surely they can't all be HUGE? And even if there's evidence to suggest black cocks are statistically more likely to be HUGE, then surely the model should set her rate by penis length/girth, rather than race? So the same higher rate would be charged for sex with a well-endowed white performer.

If a policy is determined by generalizations about race, rather than the specifics of the individual, that can only possibly be described as racism.

while you are technically correct what you don't get (because I defiantly was at fault for not making it clear) is that while yes not all black men have monster cos the majority of black men hired to do interracial sex scenes are hired because of the size of their junk so its not that far fetched to believe that if you're hired for an interracial sex scene the dicks will be Huge!
because thats the guideline for these companies. and yes sometime you will see a small (by comparison) cock but in those instances its a matter of the story calling for 3 cocks but only two regulars were available so they had to outside cast and in those cases the cock is still over 7 inches.

If you're a porn actress and you are sought out by Blacked, dogcart, or any of the other companies you can be sure to expect a monster cock. and if its uncomfortable and painful you're going to charge more.

What we have in OP's case however is he's looking for a physical match having nothing to do with penis size. but without a producer going out of his way to say that its not a big cock scene the actress is immediately going to think BBC and give her elevated rate.

Again Im not saying its 100% not racist, but a lot of the time racism has nothing to do with their elevated price quote.

[lionbadger]

there are Hippity-Hop thugs there

sure you're not mixing this up with some horrifying remake of the Wizard of Oz set in the world of Blade Runner

We represent the Hippity Hop Thugs
the Hippity Hop Thugs, The Hippity Hop Thugs,
and behalf of the Hippity Hop Thuuuuuuuuuugs
we wish to welcome you to Munchkin land!

[KnightsofGotham.com]

there are Hippity-Hop thugs there

sure you're not mixing this up with some horrifying remake of the Wizard of Oz set in the world of Blade Runner

We represent the Hippity Hop Thugs
the Hippity Hop Thugs, The Hippity Hop Thugs,
and behalf of the Hippity Hop Thuuuuuuuuuugs
we wish to welcome you to Munchkin land!

I regret that I have only one like to give you for this comment. well done ..... very well done.

[GeekyPornCritic]

Have you tried Blacked.com? Their interracial scenes are not the stereotypical hip hop that you describe, they have very professional looking slim clean cut black men with only white women and their videos are out of this world

Thats a good suggestion for him. sure there are Hippity-Hop thugs there but there are also a few professional looks with no stereotypes to them.

I can see how a model can vary prices depending on the body type of the guy she's supposed to fuck or the kinky fetish stuff she's expected to do. But setting different prices based on skin color - and skin color alone - seems massively discriminatory.

My life has me with one foot in the fetish world and one foot in the porn world.
I have spoken to many women about the industry and I have found a common thread regarding Interracial content.
Many women charge more not because they're black, but because they are HUGE.
its painful, and not in that good way.
Pornography isn't like reality. In reality if you have a connection with a black man and bring him home and you start messing around and you find out he is huge, larger than any man you have ever been with you give it a go but its uncomfortable and extremely painful and you tell him you just can't but you will finish him off orally or with a hand job. thats fine.
If you can take the size then its never for very long. 10 minutes to 20 minutes of penetration

In Porn you have to take it no matter the size.
you have to take it for hours!
there are some porn films that are shot in front of a window and if you try hard enough you can spot there changes in light.

Ive spoken women who charge more because its painful.
one person I spoke to no longer does tham because even though she loves black men she can't stand the pain after she literally starts swelling up inside.
For many proffesionalactressess interracial isn't something thats fun its painful and there are also models i have spoken to who are i9n a relationship with a black man but won't have interracial sex on camera because its too long to shoot and it gets uncomfortable.

So before we start throwing the racism card around lets try to remember there are always other reasons for why things happen

Let's be a bit fair. There are some huge white guys and I have seen average black guys. Are they basing their prices on every guy's cock size or they are assuming the black partner will be huge? Have you seen Danny D? He has the largest penis in porn to my knowledge. I have not heard women charging more money because of his size.

[KnightsofGotham.com]

Have you tried Blacked.com? Their interracial scenes are not the stereotypical hip hop that you describe, they have very professional looking slim clean cut black men with only white women and their videos are out of this world

Thats a good suggestion for him. sure there are Hippity-Hop thugs there but there are also a few professional looks with no stereotypes to them.

I can see how a model can vary prices depending on the body type of the guy she's supposed to fuck or the kinky fetish stuff she's expected to do. But setting different prices based on skin color - and skin color alone - seems massively discriminatory.

My life has me with one foot in the fetish world and one foot in the porn world.
I have spoken to many women about the industry and I have found a common thread regarding Interracial content.
Many women charge more not because they're black, but because they are HUGE.
its painful, and not in that good way.
Pornography isn't like reality. In reality if you have a connection with a black man and bring him home and you start messing around and you find out he is huge, larger than any man you have ever been with you give it a go but its uncomfortable and extremely painful and you tell him you just can't but you will finish him off orally or with a hand job. thats fine.
If you can take the size then its never for very long. 10 minutes to 20 minutes of penetration

In Porn you have to take it no matter the size.
you have to take it for hours!
there are some porn films that are shot in front of a window and if you try hard enough you can spot there changes in light.

Ive spoken women who charge more because its painful.
one person I spoke to no longer does tham because even though she loves black men she can't stand the pain after she literally starts swelling up inside.
For many proffesionalactressess interracial isn't something thats fun its painful and there are also models i have spoken to who are i9n a relationship with a black man but won't have interracial sex on camera because its too long to shoot and it gets uncomfortable.

So before we start throwing the racism card around lets try to remember there are always other reasons for why things happen

Let's be a bit fair. There are some huge white guys and I have seen average black guys. Are they basing their prices on every guy's cock size or they are assuming the black partner will be huge? Have you seen Danny D? He has the largest penis in porn to my knowledge. I have not heard women charging more money because of his size.

Not every black man in porn has a huge cock, but when you are approached by Blacked.com or Dogfart or BlackonBlondeas, or one of the many other companies that just do huge cocks then you know going in what to expect.
With a white guy no not every white guy has a small cock, or an average cock, but you know the names of the white guys with monster cocks and yes you can bet your bottom dollar that a porn actress who finds large cocks painful knows every white monster cocks name and will charge more for monster cock. its not necessarily a black/white thing.
its a pain/discomfort thing.
Yes I have personally seen porn girls state on their pages:
"no monster cocks"
"no large black dudes"
"pay rate increases for large cocks"

[GeekyPornCritic]

Have you tried Blacked.com? Their interracial scenes are not the stereotypical hip hop that you describe, they have very professional looking slim clean cut black men with only white women and their videos are out of this world

Thats a good suggestion for him. sure there are Hippity-Hop thugs there but there are also a few professional looks with no stereotypes to them.

I can see how a model can vary prices depending on the body type of the guy she's supposed to fuck or the kinky fetish stuff she's expected to do. But setting different prices based on skin color - and skin color alone - seems massively discriminatory.

My life has me with one foot in the fetish world and one foot in the porn world.
I have spoken to many women about the industry and I have found a common thread regarding Interracial content.
Many women charge more not because they're black, but because they are HUGE.
its painful, and not in that good way.
Pornography isn't like reality. In reality if you have a connection with a black man and bring him home and you start messing around and you find out he is huge, larger than any man you have ever been with you give it a go but its uncomfortable and extremely painful and you tell him you just can't but you will finish him off orally or with a hand job. thats fine.
If you can take the size then its never for very long. 10 minutes to 20 minutes of penetration

In Porn you have to take it no matter the size.
you have to take it for hours!
there are some porn films that are shot in front of a window and if you try hard enough you can spot there changes in light.

Ive spoken women who charge more because its painful.
one person I spoke to no longer does tham because even though she loves black men she can't stand the pain after she literally starts swelling up inside.
For many proffesionalactressess interracial isn't something thats fun its painful and there are also models i have spoken to who are i9n a relationship with a black man but won't have interracial sex on camera because its too long to shoot and it gets uncomfortable.

So before we start throwing the racism card around lets try to remember there are always other reasons for why things happen

Let's be a bit fair. There are some huge white guys and I have seen average black guys. Are they basing their prices on every guy's cock size or they are assuming the black partner will be huge? Have you seen Danny D? He has the largest penis in porn to my knowledge. I have not heard women charging more money because of his size.

Not every black man in porn has a huge cock, but when you are approached by Blacked.com or Dogfart or BlackonBlondeas, or one of the many other companies that just do huge cocks then you know going in what to expect.
With a white guy no not every white guy has a small cock, or an average cock, but you know the names of the white guys with monster cocks and yes you can bet your bottom dollar that a porn actress who finds large cocks painful knows every white monster cocks name and will charge more for monster cock. its not necessarily a black/white thing.
its a pain/discomfort thing.
Yes I have personally seen porn girls state on their pages:
"no monster cocks"
"no large black dudes"
"pay rate increases for large cocks"

I wish pornstars were clear on this subject. They make assumptions and say they want more pay with black performers when they should say higher pay rate for large cocks. Most women do not say this. They just mention black cock and I believe that's why some people scream racism. The girls aren't racist. They just don't say things properly sometimes.

Thank you for clearing things up and explaining to people what type of model is needed for the custom. The guy can have an average cock for all I care. I want the model to be comfortable and enjoy herself.

[Heroine Addict]

Maybe you could send this video to producers as an example?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVI4eiWSMPA

[Mr. X]

If a policy is determined by generalizations about race, rather than the specifics of the individual, that can only possibly be described as racism.

No its preference. That's why Hispanics will stick to Hispanics etc. People tend to be tribal. I doubt the person saying NO is hating blacks. More than likely they just don't prefer them or as Levi said the men are bigger. Some people prefer Gingers. Some Asians.

People have likes and dislikes. No one in society is obligated in anyway to universally hook up with anyone with no filter.

So if a policy is determined by ginger or blonde is that different? Black is merely skin color, no different that eye color.

[Heroine Addict]

If a policy is determined by generalizations about race, rather than the specifics of the individual, that can only possibly be described as racism.

No its preference. That's why Hispanics will stick to Hispanics etc. People tend to be tribal. I doubt the person saying NO is hating blacks. More than likely they just don't prefer them or as Levi said the men are bigger. Some people prefer Gingers. Some Asians.

People have likes and dislikes. No one in society is obligated in anyway to universally hook up with anyone with no filter.

So if a policy is determined by ginger or blonde is that different? Black is merely skin color, no different that eye color.

Being ginger or blonde aren't protected characteristics when it comes to the provision of employment, goods and services. Race is. A performer upping her own rate instantly reduces the possibility of a black co-star being hired.

Of course, as Levi pointed out, refusing or charging more for IR can often have more to do with the conventions of the IR genre (such as massive cocks), rather than race itself. But then the onus is upon the model to be clear about what she means.

Bear in mind that the model who allegedly charges $5,000 for IR is only reported to have specified race. Nothing else.

Now, custom videos in the adult industry are often a private transaction with the specific details often kept between the producer and the customer. However, try applying the "double rate for touching/serving/working with a black person" rule to literally any other profession and it's blatantly racist. Of course, the models aren't slaves and they don't have to fuck anyone they don't want to. But setting a higher price based entirely on the skin color of a co-star - with no reference to characteristics such as cock size - can only be racism because race is the only difference specified.

[batgirl1969]

I don't see how the girls manage to handle the double penetration IR videos..I can see asking for more $ for that type of scenario certainly...I know I would and I am definately not racist. One thing I have also noticed in my venture to IR side of things is that almost every scene includes anal...does that go along with the appeal of an IR scene?

[Mr. X]

Being ginger or blonde aren't protected characteristics when it comes to the provision of employment, goods and services. Race is. A performer upping her own rate instantly reduces the possibility of a black co-star being hired.

Of course, as Levi pointed out, refusing or charging more for IR can often have more to do with the conventions of the IR genre (such as massive cocks), rather than race itself. But then the onus is upon the model to be clear about what she means.

Bear in mind that the model who allegedly charges $5,000 for IR is only reported to have specified race. Nothing else.

Now, custom videos in the adult industry are often a private transaction with the specific details often kept between the producer and the customer. However, try applying the "double rate for touching/serving/working with a black person" rule to literally any other profession and it's blatantly racist. Of course, the models aren't slaves and they don't have to fuck anyone they don't want to. But setting a higher price based entirely on the skin color of a co-star - with no reference to characteristics such as cock size - can only be racism because race is the only difference specified.

There is no such thing as "protected characteristics". You're confusing title 2 part 1 of the CRA with some special list. All the CRA states is IF someone brings a civil suit it cannot be rejected by the court if its race, ethnicity based. So the black porn stars can sue if they want.

Is Asian a race? So if a producer or porn star prefers asian girls are they racist? If BET magazine only advertises for blacks are they racist and don't advertise care products for whites are they racist?

Is sexual orientation protected? I know a few of the fetish models here who refuse to work with men and only do girl on girl and would charge more if they had to work with a man. Is that heterophobia? Is it homophobia if the girl charges more to do sex scenes with another girl?

Dividing society into classes then affording those classes special rules is 1) unconstitutional. 2) Anti-progressive. 3) anti marxist.

And when I hear the racist card slung around I tune out. Sadly there are certain males who are issue hijacking and have worn the word out and are merely looking for a fake flag to hide behind to grind someone into the dirt. The word racist has no more meaning now.

working with a black person" rule to literally any other profession and it's blatantly racist.

What about rap? Do rap music albums sell better if the rapper is an oxford white guy or a ghetto black guy?

So if a producers pays less/more for an Asian girl that is racism? You apparently don't understand sex is monkey sex. It has no rhyme or reason and is all preference. And what of sites that do nothing but advertise white MILFs fucked by big black dudes? Is that racist? Racism has meaning. Its not just when people PREFER one group over another.

Hey so if producers here start replacing girls with trans women can we then brow beat customers for refusing to buy the product cause they are "transphobic"?

Leave people alone.

[Heroine Addict]

Massive, massive strawman there. Shameful.

Nobody is suggesting for a second that anyone should be legally forced to fuck someone they don't want to fuck. That would be incredibly inhumane. Obviously.

The issue here is a claim that a particular unnamed model charges one rate to fuck a white guy and a much higher rate to fuck a black guy. There's no differentiation between different types of white or black guy. (They're not all the same.) As the policy has been described - and with full acknowledgment that the description severely needs clarification over issues such as cock size - skin pigmentation appears to be the deciding factor in pricing.

The same person offering the same service at a standard rate and a prohibitive rate, depending on race.

[Mr. X]

The issue here is a claim that a particular unnamed model charges one rate to fuck a white guy and a much higher rate to fuck a black guy.

So if a model charges one rate to have sex with another woman vs have sex with a man is she hetero or homophobic?

Stop slinging the race card around especially in a fetish community filled with huge and diverse fetishes. So when someone prefers the white heroine to be screwed by black bad guys is that racism?

The community deals with this all the time. How many black girls do you see as heroines? And they get paid less because those videos sell less. I think you're arguing a strawman trying to reduce this down to ONLY the model intentionally charging a black guy more cause she's some racist.

Thanks for wearing the word out. I'm sure minorities love you for that.

[Heroine Addict]

The issue here is a claim that a particular unnamed model charges one rate to fuck a white guy and a much higher rate to fuck a black guy.

So if a model charges one rate to have sex with another woman vs have sex with a man is she hetero or homophobic?

False equivalence. F/F sex is demonstrably safer. M/F carries a premium partly because there's a greatly increased chance of STD transmission and a whole additional risk of pregnancy.

Differences in race don't inherently carry an extra risk. Although monster cocks - whether black or white - do carry an extra physical risk.

Stop slinging the race card around especially in a fetish community filled with huge and diverse fetishes. So when someone prefers the white heroine to be screwed by black bad guys is that racism?

The community deals with this all the time. How many black girls do you see as heroines? And they get paid less because those videos sell less. I think you're arguing a strawman trying to reduce this down to ONLY the model intentionally charging a black guy more cause she's some racist.

Thanks for wearing the word out. I'm sure minorities love you for that.

I'm reducing it down to the different rates charged by one model because that's the experience being cited by a forum member in the real world. As opposed to imaginary dystopias in which the Political Correctness Brigade force producers to make videos with transgender models in the name of equality. Or something.

[Mr. X]

False equivalence. F/F sex is demonstrably safer.

WHAT?! You just stated if someone of group X pays a person of group Y less then they are bigots.
Stop with the sophistry and special casing.

M/F carries a premium partly because there's a greatly increased chance of STD transmission and a whole additional risk of pregnancy.

Shear bunk. M/F occurs all the time. Industry deals with this all the time. NOW magically you side with someone not wanting to do X over Y cause safety? And I wasn't even referring to sex in a scene. For example plenty of female producers don't even want men touching them let alone have sex. F/F ONLY. So again I am going to ask you and please have the integrity to answer. Are these female producers heterophobic? Yes/No? Or do they have a right to pick whom they wish to do stuff with.

BTW on a side note I love how homophobic is in the spell checker but heterophobic is not.

Differences in race don't inherently carry an extra risk.

Irrelevant to the discussion. Preferring Asian girls over white girls carries no risk. Is that racism? Preferring large breast over small breast carries no risk. Preferring cis gendered women vs trans women carries no health risk. Are these bigotries?

I'm reducing it down to the different rates charged by one model because that's the experience being cited by a forum member in the real world.

JUST LIKE a model charging more for a male actor to grope her boobs vs a female actor to grope her boobs. In other words NOT AN ISSUE.

I have seen this countless times. Model does not want a guy grabbing her boobs in a scenes so we put another girl in the trophy hunter outfit and she grabs the boobs. If the guy does it she charges more.

So is she heterophobic? You going to answer or special case more?

Stop looking for an excuse to club people over the head with some racist baseball bat. Its a little disturbing for someone to come on a fetish board full of all sorts of weird fetishes then get all high and mighty about something.

Black rappers are paid more than white rappers. Blondes get more than brunettes.

[batgirl1969]

I resent that Blondes get paid more than Brunettes!!! Just kidding...I pay more for blondes myself!!

[Heroine Addict]

Ah, heterophobia. A problem so insignificant that it's not even a proper word.

False equivalence. Again.

As sexuality isn't chosen (despite what the fundies might say), the difference between interacting sexually with a man or with another woman is huge. So that's why there is a psychological barrier that makes a straight actress less willing to be groped by a guy. Because it puts her in a sexual context with him. Whereas she has a degree of detachment while being groped by another woman. Or maybe she has a partner who gets jealous if she lets another man touch her.

Likewise, a lesbian actress may be less willing or totally unwilling to have sex with a man because, y'know, she doesn't want to. It's not "heterophobia" for her to charge a different rate for a fundamentally different type of sex or outright refuse to go outside her sexual orientation.

N.B. The reason heterophobia doesn't appear in the spellchecker is because it's not something that affects anyone in the real world. (Unlike homophobia, which led to a fucking huge massacre recently.) It's just a rhetorical device used as a false equivalence to homophobia in discussions like this one.

Stereotypical monster cocks aside, the difference between interacting sexually with a white man or a black man is skin pigmentation. The model in the anecdotal evidence didn't specify anything whatsoever about her reasoning for charging more. Nor do we know how far past mocha the hue of a man's skin needs to go for her to hike the price to the IR tier.

Unless the OP has some further detail, all we have to go on is that she charges an eye-watering sum for IR. As Levi said, there's a chance her definition of IR may be based on the stereotypes of the genre, rather than skin color. But without such clarification, all we know is that her price goes way up when a guy's skin is too dark.

She is offering the same service at different price tiers based on race. In literally any other business, this would called out as discrimination.

This is not comparable to switching between fucking men and fucking women. At all. The physiological differences from one race to another are insignificant in comparison to those between men and women. (And no, I'm not going to call for trans women to be represented in the genre. So don't even bother with that strawman.)

Just to unpack the differences between different things for you, let's say you were to hire an escort for a dinner date.

Your first choice refuses the booking because she's a lesbian who only does girl/girl bookings (and you overlooked this in the small print). This is not "heterophobia" or whatever you're calling the largely imaginary anti-straight discrimination.

Your second choice refuses the booking because you're white. This is racial discrimination, regardless of whether it was written in the small print. (Bear in mind all you're booking is a dinner date. "Extras" aren't necessarily included.)

Being homosexual is a valid reason why an escort may only do girl/girl dates. "I don't like white folks" is not a valid reason for an escort to decline a booking or double her fee.

Do you see now? Race and sexual orientation are not the same. Different things are different!

[Mr. X]

She is offering the same service at different price tiers based on race. In literally any other business, this would called out as discrimination.

And the model charging more for a male to fondle her vs a female is based on sexual discrimination. SO WHAT.

Wow you are so dripping with bias and bigotry you can't even see it. You have literally made up a special case of rules for every special case. How you can even remotely have a discussion about fairness with your "every case is unique" sophistry is beyond me. You literally cannot be reasoned with. There is no integrity here.

N.B. The reason heterophobia doesn't appear in the spellchecker is because it's not something that affects anyone in the real world. (Unlike homophobia, which led to a fucking huge massacre recently.) It's just a rhetorical device used as a false equivalence to homophobia in discussions like this one.

Ah the old power and prejudice argument. Wait, let me guess. You are going to argue the white porn star is the only one who can be racist cause only white people have the power to act? So bigotry only exists if the person practicing it has some arbitrary measure of effect? Ok so how is some porn star charging a different rate having some significant effect? Is it tuesday? Are the rules going to change now? Oh and WHO committed that massacre? Hmm? So now your standard of measure is a soft reed blowing in the wind and not a hard set of standards with integrity. Its basically bigoted when you magically decide it is. Yes heterophobia exists. Just because its less does not mean it does not exist.

Given your reasoning we should ignore the shooter in Orlando cause he was also Islamic and Islam has no real effect in the US. Hey we should also ignore the West Burough Baptist church and the KKK cause they also have no real effect in the US so they can't be racist right?

Rules will change in 3,2,1.

Let me explain how this works. As an ex progressive myself this argument you have is GARBAGE based on shear, subjective sophistry. It has NO MEASURE of objectivity and therefore cannot be a standard to measure anything with. Its pretty clear if this porn star was a black girl charging white men a different rate you would say nothing cause "power/prejudice". And if its subjective you have NO RIGHT to apply your standards to others then grind them into the dirt with it. At least practice what you preach. Read some Kant.

The word "racist" is supposed to have meaning and its a pretty heinous label no different than calling someone a pedophile. But GUYS LIKE YOU have issue hijacked the word and abused it so badly it has no meaning plus you use a subjective set of standards to apply it literally making up rules as you go. "Racists" is supposed to be for people like democrat Huey Long who stood on school steps with a baseball bat saying no ni$$er is going to get in my schools. Its not for merely disagreeing with someone on how they do business.

Stop issue hijacking and abusing the word "racist".

[Heroine Addict]

Limiting the word racism to just the likes of Huey Long and the KKK kind of gives a free pass to all casual racism. Is it really so black and white in your world that we can put David Duke in the Racist box and Mel Gibson, for example, in the Not Racist box because he's not quite racist enough? Where exactly is your "objective measure" written down? I'd like to apply it to some of recent history's racists who fall short of your Huey Long measure, so deserve to be exonerated.

Objective measure, you say? When has there ever been an objective measure on issues of equality?

All these grand claims of objectivity sound like the fundie talk from Eric Hovind and the Presuppositional Apologetics crowd. I thought you preferred critical thinking to dogma?

Social mores evolve. Laws change. Standards change. Which is probably why you always seem so angry at the modern world. A modern world which, funnily enough, allows you creative freedoms that you never had in your notional Golden Age.

[Mr. X]

Limiting the word racism to just the likes of Huey Long and the KKK kind of gives a free pass to all casual racism. Is it really so black and white in your world that we can put David Duke in the Racist box and Mel Gibson, for example, in the Not Racist box because he's not quite racist enough?

But given your standards Dylan Roof cannot be racist since he has no real economic or social power to act.

Objective measure, you say? When has there ever been an objective measure on issues of equality?

This is why no one can have a reasoned argument with you. You have gray zoned everything so much that EVERYTHING is gray and there are no measurable standards. You're merely making up rules as you go.

Social mores evolve. Laws change. Standards change. Which is probably why you always seem so angry at the modern world. A modern world which, funnily enough, allows you creative freedoms that you never had in your notional Golden Age.

Riiight, freedom. This coming from a guy clubbing people over the head with a racist label. Yeah sure, there is no political correctness today shutting people up. Nope. no siree. No "words are weapons" and "we need safe zones". In fact we're so free a white female porn star can charge any rate she wants for any racial type.... oh wait.

[TIEnTEEZ]

If the actor is the single most important thing to you... and it appears to be... then I would approach this from a different angle. Go to Clips4Sale and find the actor you want. Or find several who fit the mold of what you are looking for. Then contact the producers for whom that actor does videos, or find out the actor's name and contact some other studios and ask if they can get you the person you want. If you have more than one, send them a list of acceptable actors.

I had a similar dilemma a few years back. I wanted a superheroine video starring Melissa Jacobs. I had to shop around to quite a few producers before I finally found one that could get her.

[Alex David]

I'm also a little confused why this is so difficult for you. They are actors, ideally a black actor can play a "hip-hop" type or a GQ type or a nerdy type etc. If his face, hair and body type are good enough everything else can be done through costume and acting. If you are only coming across stereotypical looks on these male models that is likely because those looks are where they make the most money. A change of clothes can go a long way on film...

[GeekyPornCritic]

I am still working on getting this custom done next year. My lesbian custom scene was pretty easy. The IR custom still seems like a long shoot for now. I am still doing research on a male model.

If the actor is the single most important thing to you... and it appears to be... then I would approach this from a different angle. Go to Clips4Sale and find the actor you want. Or find several who fit the mold of what you are looking for. Then contact the producers for whom that actor does videos, or find out the actor's name and contact some other studios and ask if they can get you the person you want. If you have more than one, send them a list of acceptable actors.

I had a similar dilemma a few years back. I wanted a superheroine video starring Melissa Jacobs. I had to shop around to quite a few producers before I finally found one that could get her.

I have looked on many clips4sale stores and professional porn sites. I cannot find a male model to fit the role. Picture Russell Wilson with a similar body to Deviant Kade's body. This is Kade. https://twitter.com/deviantkade

I checked out Black.com. There are professional/GQ types, but they are too physically large for the role.

Please nobody recommend Dogfart again as that site features stereotypical large and hip-hop black men. I'm not looking for that type of model.

I'm also a little confused why this is so difficult for you. They are actors, ideally a black actor can play a "hip-hop" type or a GQ type or a nerdy type etc. If his face, hair and body type are good enough everything else can be done through costume and acting. If you are only coming across stereotypical looks on these male models that is likely because those looks are where they make the most money. A change of clothes can go a long way on film...

You got half of it correct. They are actors and can change roles with costumes and actings. However, you missed the second factor, and maybe even a third factor. Where are the slim/thin black men in porn? That's the second problem that I run into.

A possible third factor is the female model's taste in black men. I must find one who does IR porn and that's very easy. Why is this a potential problem? This goes back to the opening post. There are women who love slim white men and clean cut white men. These same women may like black men, but have different standards for black men. I find many of these women to want muscular and hip hop stereotypical black men. They may refuse to work with non-stereotypes.

I have spoken to a model about this and she loves most types of men. She has strict standards for black men and want them to fit the stereotype to perfection.

I can also speak about this from personal experience with women in the real world. There was a woman who said that I would be very attractive if I was Mexican instead of black. I don't act "black enough" for her. I would be dateable and fuckable if I was from another race.

[PrimalNymph]

Oowee, this thread is hefty. But I want to get in on this discussion because I've learned some things working in the industry that I wouldn't know otherwise. Please keep in mind that I only speak here on behalf of myself and not on behalf of Primal at large. (At large, yes, all 4 of us. lol But seriously...)

The fact of the matter is that the entertainment industry runs on a different system than the rest of the business and social worlds, and it's unfortunately going to stay that way until profits prod otherwise. That's a general entertainment industry statement, not a porn statement. Although it's certainly an effect we see. I'll get into that in a moment.

However I also know that women who are attracted to black men do not like clean cut black men. They may like clean cut white men.

As a woman who is attracted to a variety of different black men, gotta say that you shouldn't assume such things. A girl may fuck a guy should would never actually want to be with in real life and never actually get to be with someone on camera who has her ideal body type. Also, I don't take "clean cut" to mean thin. I don't know how you are describing the type you want to producers, but be blunt about what you want if you haven't already done so. It makes it easier for the producer to nail down something that will make you happy, but having a very specific look in mind may also extend the time, energy, and/or cost it takes to find such a person.

KnightsofGotham.com also brought up some great points about physical attributes that I want to springboard off of.
1. For many people who are into w-b g-b, respectively, a big part of it is the contrast between a little white girl and a big black guy. That's basically Blacked's whole schtick and why they just blew up out of nowhere right after coming onto the scene. But of course, they are nearly the only ones to produce this type of content, and that ties into just how popular the fetish of big black guy fucking tiny white girl is. The higher demand for that type of IR porn impacts what the producer can estimate the subsequent sales to look like, and that is obviously a big factor when investing a day in shooting something so niched.
2. Regarding reasons for rate...
Like KoG, I've gotten to have some interesting conversations with girls and guys over these couple years, and there's something else ladies consider when giving an increased IR rate (which is pretty standard for white models). Part of a girl's persona and "value" as a model to many companies is her exclusivity. For instance, if someone's done DP anal, it becomes a lot harder to see her really getting intense sensations out of just one average sized dick in her pussy. This isn't always rooted in reality, but entertainment is all about perception. The more genres a girl does, generally, the less valuable she may be to a production company because their product is no longer unique or with any attributes to give it an edge above others. IR is seen as more "taboo," more "daring," so anything less is liable to be regarded as dull. There are some girls who only shoot girl-girl but love cock in real life. And vice versa! (Not gonna name any names, but I once saw some BTS footage where the look on the girl's face was purely "what do I do with this... thingy?" ) Yet despite their real-life love of dick, their rate to shoot boy girl would be astronomical because it would mean breaking their exclusivity of being a girl-girl only performer and subsequently having to change their whole area of market appeal. This also impacts the producer. For example, we shot Niki Lee Young's first handjob. As her first one, demand was big. But that also meant she started shooting handjobs for other companies, which led to a drop in sales on our clip.

On that note, we've shot black men with smaller builds before. The sales were disappointing at best. Like my accounting sheet would literally just have a sad-face sticker where the revenue would be listed. So with no offense intended whatsoever to GPC, if there's next to no resell prospects, it's generally not worth shooting. Now if you sent a request to Primal, that's not something I personally deal with so I have no idea what would even have been said. But with any given custom, we ask ourselves 1) is the content in this custom in line with the content we generally produce? 2) is this content likely to sell in one of our stores? 3) given questions 1 and 2, is it more cost effective to shoot that custom or something else that day? 4) what else can we shoot with this pair? Now on this final one, the guy and the girl are paid a certain rate for the day depending on what is being shot. So if we're paying a large amount of money to only be able to shoot one specific thing that is unlikely to sell in our stores and we are unable to shoot really anything else that would bring sufficient monetary value, it does not make sense for us to take on that custom.

So in short, GPC: it's not that your custom is impossible. It's just really tough to execute in a way that will satisfy all parties involved in the process.

Oh, also, I saw a bit of talk about discrimination here, so I recommend reading something like this law journal piece that gets into the rough territory of race in the entertainment industry. I find it very interesting, but I'm a dork that way.

[GeekyPornCritic]

Oowee, this thread is hefty. But I want to get in on this discussion because I've learned some things working in the industry that I wouldn't know otherwise. Please keep in mind that I only speak here on behalf of myself and not on behalf of Primal at large. (At large, yes, all 4 of us. lol But seriously...)

The fact of the matter is that the entertainment industry runs on a different system than the rest of the business and social worlds, and it's unfortunately going to stay that way until profits prod otherwise. That's a general entertainment industry statement, not a porn statement. Although it's certainly an effect we see. I'll get into that in a moment.

However I also know that women who are attracted to black men do not like clean cut black men. They may like clean cut white men.

As a woman who is attracted to a variety of different black men, gotta say that you shouldn't assume such things. A girl may fuck a guy should would never actually want to be with in real life and never actually get to be with someone on camera who has her ideal body type. Also, I don't take "clean cut" to mean thin. I don't know how you are describing the type you want to producers, but be blunt about what you want if you haven't already done so. It makes it easier for the producer to nail down something that will make you happy, but having a very specific look in mind may also extend the time, energy, and/or cost it takes to find such a person.

KnightsofGotham.com also brought up some great points about physical attributes that I want to springboard off of.
1. For many people who are into w-b g-b, respectively, a big part of it is the contrast between a little white girl and a big black guy. That's basically Blacked's whole schtick and why they just blew up out of nowhere right after coming onto the scene. But of course, they are nearly the only ones to produce this type of content, and that ties into just how popular the fetish of big black guy fucking tiny white girl is. The higher demand for that type of IR porn impacts what the producer can estimate the subsequent sales to look like, and that is obviously a big factor when investing a day in shooting something so niched.
2. Regarding reasons for rate...
Like KoG, I've gotten to have some interesting conversations with girls and guys over these couple years, and there's something else ladies consider when giving an increased IR rate (which is pretty standard for white models). Part of a girl's persona and "value" as a model to many companies is her exclusivity. For instance, if someone's done DP anal, it becomes a lot harder to see her really getting intense sensations out of just one average sized dick in her pussy. This isn't always rooted in reality, but entertainment is all about perception. The more genres a girl does, generally, the less valuable she may be to a production company because their product is no longer unique or with any attributes to give it an edge above others. IR is seen as more "taboo," more "daring," so anything less is liable to be regarded as dull. There are some girls who only shoot girl-girl but love cock in real life. And vice versa! (Not gonna name any names, but I once saw some BTS footage where the look on the girl's face was purely "what do I do with this... thingy?" ) Yet despite their real-life love of dick, their rate to shoot boy girl would be astronomical because it would mean breaking their exclusivity of being a girl-girl only performer and subsequently having to change their whole area of market appeal. This also impacts the producer. For example, we shot Niki Lee Young's first handjob. As her first one, demand was big. But that also meant she started shooting handjobs for other companies, which led to a drop in sales on our clip.

On that note, we've shot black men with smaller builds before. The sales were disappointing at best. Like my accounting sheet would literally just have a sad-face sticker where the revenue would be listed. So with no offense intended whatsoever to GPC, if there's next to no resell prospects, it's generally not worth shooting. Now if you sent a request to Primal, that's not something I personally deal with so I have no idea what would even have been said. But with any given custom, we ask ourselves 1) is the content in this custom in line with the content we generally produce? 2) is this content likely to sell in one of our stores? 3) given questions 1 and 2, is it more cost effective to shoot that custom or something else that day? 4) what else can we shoot with this pair? Now on this final one, the guy and the girl are paid a certain rate for the day depending on what is being shot. So if we're paying a large amount of money to only be able to shoot one specific thing that is unlikely to sell in our stores and we are unable to shoot really anything else that would bring sufficient monetary value, it does not make sense for us to take on that custom.

So in short, GPC: it's not that your custom is impossible. It's just really tough to execute in a way that will satisfy all parties involved in the process. I'm not trying to make assumptions on every woman. I have spoken to women in the industry. Some do not like working with thin and clean cut black men.


Oh, also, I saw a bit of talk about discrimination here, so I recommend reading something like this law journal piece that gets into the rough territory of race in the entertainment industry. I find it very interesting, but I'm a dork that way.

Thank you for taking the time to read my thread. I'm looking for a thin and clean cut black model. Sorry for not being clear or blunt! I actually was really close to making this custom with Riley Reyes, but the male model gain a lot of weight since she last worked with him. He went from slim to John Cena though his hard workout program.

I'm not trying to make assumptions about some women. I have spoken to women in the industry and some do not want to work with non-stereotypical black men. I remember Jayden Jaymes said on the Brazzers forums that she refuses to work with slim men of any race.

Your response is a bit depressing. It sounds unlikely for my custom to be done any time soon. I know Melissa Moore from your recent films does IR scenes. It may not be worth it for your company to profit from the video.