Agatha All Along (Marvel, 2024)

[shevek]

The Critical Drinker asks the question which is on everyone's minds:

Debuts Sep 18 on Disney, a full FIVE YEARS after the show from which it spun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuXG3LJ-YU8

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[sabrina]

After Agatha’s epic reveal in WandaVision, I’ve been hoping for more of her story. I can’t wait to see what Agatha: All Along brings in 2024. Kathryn Hahn was amazing, and I’m sure this movie will be full of twists and dark magic. Block Blast

[Ernie]

79% Tomatometer rating with 85 reviews.

[Femina]

Fuck the Critical Drinker. The man is a dishonest asshole trapped in his own rhetorical cage. He claims that other people are too obsessed with woke inclusion shit while literally counting the number of black folks in tv shows and never shutting up about wokeness himself. He's smart enough to actually deduce REAL flaws in media as well, but ignores them to whine about wokeness which further makes him a true bitch! I mean whose the ones obsessed here? The people who don't freak out when women and minorities are in things and go about their fucking lives, or the asshole whose produced literally HUNDREDS of videos about it?

The outrage grift is being HYPERsaturated right now, and it's starting to basically just ANNOY people rather than get out whatever stupid message the grift wants to project.

Agatha All Along is essentially season 2 of what most people agree was the BEST Marvel show ever made, and it's had a good start that has been well received. The people who liked her in Wandavision are the ones that asked for this. That's who. The answer is obvious. The only question is why it took this long.

I know I must sound like a broken record in this space right now, but let's do it again...

There IS NO WOKE AGENDA in the 'totality of media'. This is a facade created by social media and youtubers who can't branch out of their rhetorical circle. There's just individual media, some are good, some are bad, entirely divorced of what race or gender or sexuality or majority or minority the characters are, but if a media project with a classic sorta cast comes out that is good we all like it, and if it's bad we don't and nobody reads any more into it, yet if a media project with a diverse cast comes out that is good it gets pre-panned by the grifters who then shut their fuckin' gobs after it comes out cause 'oh this is good actually' and it it's BAD than it's apparently the end of cinema or gaming or whatever as we know it and everyone who watches their videos should hyperventilate and and rally in front of the production company for a full on violent Rebellion, but of course nobody shows up because not as many people care as they thought, not even themselves.

'The Wokes' whined that 'The Norseman', a film about historical Scandinavians FFS, didn't have enough black people in it. The film was good so nobody cared.
Arcane is a tv show ENTIRELY INVESTED IN the politics of underprivileged people trapped underneath a classical cultural monolith, but it was good so nobody cared.
Starfield is a game that had 'pronouns' in it's character creator, the game was BAD so a bald man who probably fapped over the trans lady in the Harry Potter game he LOVED cried about it so the grifters claimed to care.

Baldur's Gate 3 is a game that literally allows you to put dicks on women or a vag on men, AND pronoun them accordingly, and let them fuck around with whoever or WHATEVER they want, it was good...
....
So nobody. Fucking. Cared!


It's a facade. A facade the Critical Drinker is among those directly responsible for.

[joejanus]

There IS NO WOKE AGENDA in the 'totality of media'.

Right. That's why in Batman: The Caped Crusader James and Barbara Gordon are black (although Babs inexplicably still has red hair), and every female character except for Catwoman is a lesbian, or at least leaning that way. You may like or dislike the agenda of inclusiveness, but it's clearly an agenda to bring previously marginalized types of characters to the forefront. Even the Disney execs explicitly say that's what they're doing.

So, just say you're happy with it and find the complainers foolish, but don't try to tell us there is no agenda. That's just a silly statement that makes people dismiss you as deluded. Just say it's not a bad thing but a good thing, and we can all respect your honesty.

[Femina]

There IS NO WOKE AGENDA in the 'totality of media'.

Right. That's why in Batman: The Caped Crusader James and Barbara Gordon are black (although Babs inexplicably still has red hair), and every female character except for Catwoman is a lesbian, or at least leaning that way. You may like or dislike the agenda of inclusiveness, but it's clearly an agenda to bring previously marginalized types of characters to the forefront. Even the Disney execs explicitly say that's what they're doing.

So, just say you're happy with it and find the complainers foolish, but don't try to tell us there is no agenda. That's just a silly statement that makes people dismiss you as deluded. Just say it's not a bad thing but a good thing, and we can all respect your honesty.

Individual product. I've never watched Batman: The Caped Crusader. I have nothing to say about it. The Woke Agenda, as proposed, seeks to extrapolate that the ENTIRETY of Media is essentially 'infected' by a philosophy of production that nobody actually wants or likes, and which 'inherently' makes it bad. My post above illustrates that simply isn't true. Individual products can make bad, agenda driven, decisions and essentially EVERY film can be this way be it including an agenda to utilize more diverse cast or an Agenda to promote Mcdonalds chicken nuggets, that's immaterial to the ENTIRETY of Media in the way that these grifters seek to rally you against. At it's base principles... If thing bad, it's bad. Maybe Batman: The Caped Crusader is bad, I have no idea, I've never watched it. Maybe it's bad BECAUSE it's too invested in some political thing and not enough involved with the source material, again I don't know... but the existence of Batman: The Caped Crusader, does not indicate that ALL OF MEDIA is invested in propagating the same things as Batman: The Caped Crusader, it just means that Batman: The Caped Crusader is bad. (If it is... again, I don't know) And being fair to you, I DO, quite often, see media I consider to be poor implementations of the 'Woke' thing you all hate all the time and sometimes even AGREE that it's a lot more harm than good when this happens, and make no argument that these sorts of media projects DON'T EXIST. What I mean in that the 'agenda' doesn't exist, is that it doesn't exist in the conspiratorial manner presented by those like the Critical Drinker in effort to mobilize a 'counter' agenda with of their own.

Once again. Starfield was a videogame that was PANNED by the grifters for having pronoun options in its character creator, and got away with it because Starfield was BAD in a lot of other ways... but these same people never made a peep about how you could put a vagina on a big burly buff male and pronoun them 'Them' and/or fuck a bear in Baldur's Gate 3.
WHY didn't they do this?
It's because they knew they couldn't reach anybody with their grift complaining about a GOOD game that everybody loved. You only believe there's an Agenda, because you're only listening to people bitch and moan about the BAD things that include the agenda's you don't approve of. They never complain about the GOOD things that include the agenda's you don't approve of, because those things might make you care less vehemently about it and be more normal about it. But sometimes they SLIP UP and PREHATE something that turns out to be great, and have to go back into their library of youtube videos and CHANGE the titles to appear like they ALWAYS believed in that thing... people like the Critical Drinker, a man who will edit the titles of four month old videos to suit public opinion when necessary... but then sometimes they Prehate something that turns out to be bad and declare themselves the prophet Moses for their foresight and rely an everyone else to simply not notice or hold them accountable for their past fuckups.
Meanwhile the fact that both of these games exist and practically are released back to back illustrates that these people don't actually CARE about the message they are sending. The fact that Stellar Blade came out only a few months later illustrates that there is no wider woke agenda guiding the market. The market is just churning out products, some of which are good and successful, some of which are bad and not successful, and the 'agenda' doesn't seem to make a difference about what's getting made or bought.

If you could illustrate that there was NOTHING but this sort of television or film or game or whatever being released and NOTHING more, than these people would have a leg to stand on, problem is, they don't. For EVERY source of media they can freely shit on months ahead of time and get away with, there's a film they shit on months ahead of time they have to walk back on, or a film they love ahead of time because it ALREADY suits their tastes. There's no overarching Agenda. There never was. Unrelated... just cause he's a stupid fuck and deserves to be called out, If you could illustrate that the Drinker's agenda's were solid EVEN in the face of GOOD media presented in opposition to their worldviews, you could argue that hey 'at least he has his principles' but he doesn't even have that. He falls all over himself to start praising the GOOD examples of things he typically considers 'the Agenda', even if only grudgingly, if he winds up being wrong about them in his big prehate lead up. This additionally illustrates the FECKLESS, craven nature of these sorts of grifters, but particularly the Drinker.

Agatha All Along is a show for the people that liked Wandavision. Plain and Simple. Everyone knew this when it was announced. It includes women, so the Drinker has to hate it ahead of time for his audience... but if AAA turns out to be fully GREAT... we'll just see what he has to say huh? His principles are far more 'diverse' than the cast of this show could ever be.

[joejanus]

Railing against a conspiracy theory only makes you into a conspiracy theorist. Someone noticing a trend that is actively and explicitly promoted by executives in charge of the studio producing the product and criticizing it does not make a worldwide conspiracy theory.

[Mr. X]

STOP - This is how we get into this politics crap.

Don't watch the show.

Could be witch craft is cheaper to make than "Hulk Smash". And other attempts like Hawkeye were stinkers.

Its drek... just something to watch. All things change.

[Malice]

STOP - This is how we get into this politics crap.

[Femina]

I mean... blame the initiating post.

This isn't the 'Agatha All Along' discussion board.

It was introduced with Critical Drinker's shitposting out the gate.

"Let's discuss this new show! Here's a video to a horrifically biased asshole's 'critique' about the show!"

[Malice]

STOP - This is how we get into this politics crap.

STOP - This is how we get into this politics crap.

[Femina]

I uh... wasn't really talking to you either... though I can see why you'd think I was. I assumed you, using a GIF, were joking. I was mainly responding to Mr. X

[Dogfish]

I think it's kind of obvious that the MCU still has millions of fans with an apetite for the shows and movies even if middle aged men are now bored of them. The main character energy of those aforementioned middle aged men when it comes to being angry about the cultural output of the Disney Corporation which is aimed at a whole other generation is kind of hilarous.

I mean it's what, 2008 this whole thing started? You're allowed to be bored of it. Doesn't mean the people who were ten in 2008 are bored of it.

[Malice]

though I can see why you'd think I was. I assumed you, using a GIF, were joking. I was mainly responding to Mr. X

God Bless!

Now to refocus on the topic, I agree that Kathryn Hahn was great as Agatha in "Wanda-vision".

I refrain from criticizing the show prior to a fair assessment in a few weeks (I find myself preferring to binge-watch rather than wait for episodes, provided I’m genuinely engaged).

My concern with "Agatha All Along" lies in the fact that, despite my affection for the actresses involved, I struggle to comprehend the necessity of such a show in the context of the overarching narrative.

To be fair, this issue seems to be consistent with most of the Marvel shows and movies released after "Endgame," with "Loki" and "Wanda-vision" being a notable exception.

The MCU needs to return to more focused, cohesive storytelling. They had a clear plan and vision that they successfully executed through "Endgame," and most of it was excellent ("Thor 2" always in our hearts).

Now, it seems they recognize their missteps, by their own admission, and the recent casting decisions could signal a possible return to their original mission: telling compelling stories.

As for the agenda part, what is upsetting is that the most seasoned individuals will know that corporations are not interested in our well beings, our ideals, dreams, etc,... Only profit.

So, to see Disney of all companies championing social justice leaves a sour taste.

Always beware those who wear the mask of virtue, for they are often the most wicked.

[Mr. X]

My concern with "Agatha All Along" lies in the fact that, despite my affection for the actresses involved, I struggle to comprehend the necessity of such a show in the context of the overarching narrative.

I think they just need "something" to make that doesn't spoil any of their timeline stuff and is fairly cheap to make.

[Femina]

though I can see why you'd think I was. I assumed you, using a GIF, were joking. I was mainly responding to Mr. X

God Bless!

Now to refocus on the topic, I agree that Kathryn Hahn was great as Agatha in "Wanda-vision".

I refrain from criticizing the show prior to a fair assessment in a few weeks (I find myself preferring to binge-watch rather than wait for episodes, provided I’m genuinely engaged).

My concern with "Agatha All Along" lies in the fact that, despite my affection for the actresses involved, I struggle to comprehend the necessity of such a show in the context of the overarching narrative.

To be fair, this issue seems to be consistent with most of the Marvel shows and movies released after "Endgame," with "Loki" and "Wanda-vision" being a notable exception.

The MCU needs to return to more focused, cohesive storytelling. They had a clear plan and vision that they successfully executed through "Endgame," and most of it was excellent ("Thor 2" always in our hearts).

1000% agree. I knew the moment multiverses came into things it was gonna start struggling. It's not a fantastic look that the film that's basically allowed Agatha All Along to 'unleash' Agatha was a real shit film that sorta ruined the final message of the Wandavision show just sort of, suddenly backtrack Wanda's character progress so they could tastelessly use her as a pretty bog standard evil witch villain.

Now, it seems they recognize their missteps, by their own admission, and the recent casting decisions could signal a possible return to their original mission: telling compelling stories.

As for the agenda part, what is upsetting is that the most seasoned individuals will know that corporations are not interested in our well beings, our ideals, dreams, etc,... Only profit.

So, to see Disney of all companies championing social justice leaves a sour taste.

Always beware those who wear the mask of virtue, for they are often the most wicked.

Yeah I suppose... Disney's always chased the trends though, we just have new ones today... that WHOLE early to mid 10's genre of preteen girl's into pop stars thing was REAL ugly... A corporation will always find the ugliest and most corrupt way to promote its wares eventually... it's always just a matter of time.

Anywhat. As to maybe working this whole topic right around to acting as an actual Agatha All Along discussion board... We're two episodes in now, and I don't feel episode 2 was as strong as 1. I'm concerned the premise may stray further and further away from what made Wandavision and episode 1 of this somewhat special... but it's still waaaay to early to tell.

[shevek]

pretty bog standard evil witch villain.

but it's still waaaay to early to tell.

I watched these episodes last night.

This is pretty much your standard witch comedy. There is a Marvel Quip (TM) every five seconds, so it's not a drama like watching a CW show.

It's almost exactly like The Craft and Charmed except those used the standard 90s/early 00s approach of lead actresses (even witches) being hot women that you want to look at to keep you interested in watching the movie.

This doesn't do that. Exactly none of the members of the coven are attractive. Well - one is (Sasheer Zamata) but they shaved her head to minimize the male gaze. So, unless you think Ayanna Pressley is attractive (to me, she literally looks like Charles Xavier ran for Congress) that's not gonna work, either.

Wiccans and neo-pagans (and there are lot of them now because recent cultural trends have re-validated them) are probably going to say this series sets them back decades, but I could be surprised - maybe you'll find praise somewhere on the Internet because almost nobody is hot.

The second episode is like the Magnificent Seven, a well-worn trope of gathering together the band of adventurers that one could also attribute to the Fellowship of the Ring. This gets the Dungeons and Dragons nerds excited, and of course Wizard of Oz fans.

But anyway, for our Forum? You won't find beauty. You won't find costumes. You'll barely find use of powers. At least not in these two episodes.

You will find some peril, at least. There is a knock-down drag-out fight between Hahn and Plaza, and Agatha is thrown a few times across her kitchen. Plaza, at least, is painted up like a goth chick and draped in some cheap, semi-tight clothing off a Hot Topic shelf (she's the Fairuza Balk of the series, I guess). She has some kind of telekinesis. So if you're looking for any kind of attraction, that's all you get.

What else? Oh, there's a debooting at the end of episode 2. And (for fans of Dead Can Dance or medieval music) there's a hammered dulcimer.

I dunno. The collages in the credits make it clear that this is a mishmash of every witch media production ever made, but probably given a 'new twist' for 'modern audiences'. Some evidence of the New Twist was made clear on their red carpet interviews.

If you want to keep on watching based on that assessment, go ahead. It's free for me, so I'll probably keep on eye on it due to nothing else new being around at the present time: Ease On Down the Road!

[Malice]

Yeah I suppose... Disney's always chased the trends though, we just have new ones today... that WHOLE early to mid 10's genre of preteen girl's into pop stars thing was REAL ugly... A corporation will always find the ugliest and most corrupt way to promote its wares eventually... it's always just a matter of time.

Anywhat. As to maybe working this whole topic right around to acting as an actual Agatha All Along discussion board... We're two episodes in now, and I don't feel episode 2 was as strong as 1. I'm concerned the premise may stray further and further away from what made Wandavision and episode 1 of this somewhat special... but it's still waaaay to early to tell.

I’d be curious to see where your opinion stands once the season wraps up, especially regarding the show’s ability to keep you engaged in the long run. I think that’s ultimately what matters most.

As for Disney chasing trends, I’m really convinced that most people don’t hold strong opinions about the ideas Disney defends. Full disclosure: I managed a cinema in the past, so this perspective is based on that experience rather than a global viewpoint. It just seems that, given the current economic climate people are seeking escapism and entertainment more than ever.

The success of films like "No Way Home" proves it. The turnout was insane, and I genuinely hope we see Marvel returning to form ASAP.

It's not a fantastic look that the film that's basically allowed Agatha All Along to 'unleash' Agatha was a real shit film that sorta ruined the final message of the Wandavision show just sort of, suddenly backtrack Wanda's character progress so they could tastelessly use her as a pretty bog standard evil witch villain.

Despite our differences, I think we share an appreciation here. "Wanda-Vision" did a brilliant job with the character, and seeing "Multiverse of Madness" undermine that setup was infuriating. (understatement)

As to maybe working this whole topic right around to acting as an actual Agatha All Along discussion board...

Returning to the show itself, it’s difficult not to judge it in the context of the larger saga, but I agree with your sentiment: I want Mr. X to enjoy the discussion too.

There’s not enough information to make a fully educated opinion yet, but I think we both agree that, after "MoM," I’m less excited for this show than I would’ve been three years ago.

Also, Marvel, for the love of God: Mephisto! Or at least something that expands the universe in a meaningful way. We’ve got witches, great! Now, where’s the devil?

And out of curiosity, I heard a while back that they wanted the show to be a musical. Is that true? If so, is it well-executed or just distracting?

In any event, it's going to be hard to top that moment:

I think they just need "something" to make that doesn't spoil any of their timeline stuff and is fairly cheap to make.

I think, though I could be wrong, that RDJ stepping in as Dr. Doom might mark the beginning of that shift.

Who knows, maybe the "Agatha" show will set up something intriguing. Agatha Harkness certainly has the potential, with rich backstories that could allow for it. I just hope they trust their characters a bit more.

There’s so much they can do with the wealth of IPs they have, and I don’t buy into the idea of superhero fatigue. However, when looking at the broader picture, it’s hard to see much value in the streaming content they’re offering.

Wait and see... There are future events "Agatha All Along" could tie into, and I’m really curious to see what the general mindset will be in the coming weeks and months on this forum regarding the show.

[Malice]

But anyway, for our Forum? You won't find beauty.

I haven’t watched the show yet, but I’ve been doing some digging, and I beg to differ:


That one probably hasn’t aired yet based on your comment, but if that’s not sexy, then my grandma must be the Queen of England.


I rest my case.

I beg of thee, spare Debra Jo Rupp from thy scorn.

[Ernie]

Exactly none of the members of the coven are attractive. Well - one is (Sasheer Zamata) but they shaved her head to minimize the male gaze. So, unless you think Ayanna Pressley is attractive (to me, she literally looks like Charles Xavier ran for Congress) that's not gonna work, either.

You are bashing a production for employing unattractive women?

[Mr. X]

Exactly none of the members of the coven are attractive. Well - one is (Sasheer Zamata) but they shaved her head to minimize the male gaze. So, unless you think Ayanna Pressley is attractive (to me, she literally looks like Charles Xavier ran for Congress) that's not gonna work, either.

You are bashing a production for employing unattractive women?

Yes... I would also bash this for having no attractive women. Yes. I will die on that hill. So sick of mediocre women.

Got a show with a bunch of lesbian witches and they still drive away a male audience.

Stop treating men's desires as some egalitarian resource that has to be diverse and inclusive. We NEVER do that to women. We don't tell women what men they should like. They can have all their Sam and Deans or Werewolves and vampires they want.

I am not the village bicycle. My preferences are not up for judgement or for equity measures and I cannot be put on an impossible purity test

[Femina]

It's truly sad that this site has turned into this sort of trash. Practically every post has some sort of political reply and now ther are completely deluded individuals like Femina going on a full blown meltdown, posting walls of text nobody is going to bother reading.

Seriously, what is even the point of coming to this site anymore?

Again, look at the first post, it encourages people to go watch a Critical Drinker Video, a man 'famous' for his measured, calm, peace-promoting voice and unbiased opinions.

[Mr. X]

Exactly none of the members of the coven are attractive. Well - one is (Sasheer Zamata) but they shaved her head to minimize the male gaze. So, unless you think Ayanna Pressley is attractive (to me, she literally looks like Charles Xavier ran for Congress) that's not gonna work, either.

You are bashing a production for employing unattractive women?

Yes... I would also bash this for having no attractive women. Yes. I will die on that hill. So sick of mediocre women.

Got a show with a bunch of lesbian witches and they still drive away a male audience.

Stop treating men's desires as some egalitarian resource that has to be diverse and inclusive. We NEVER do that to women. We don't tell women what men they should like. They can have all their Sam and Deans or Werewolves and vampries they want.

I believe Ernie was referring to the audacity of Shevek complaining about a production company for employing ugly women when Heroineburgh famously only uses very unattractive women in their productions.

Ernie's post is the first good laugh I've had on this board in a long time.

Heroineburgh has like a $20 budget and those girls are volunteers.

[shevek]

You are bashing a production for employing unattractive women?

Yes. Except for Aubrey Plaza, who I also mention is being dragged down by cheap costuming for some reason.

Why can't I bash a production that costs millions of dollars for employing a whole roster of women that aren't pleasant to look at?
Surely with all of that money they could naturally employ a better appearance of actress, but they chose purposefully NOT to.

Yes... I would also bash this for having no attractive women. Yes. I will die on that hill. So sick of mediocre women.

I believe Ernie was referring to the audacity of Shevek complaining about a production company for employing ugly women when Heroineburgh famously only uses very unattractive women in their productions.

Ernie's post is the first good laugh I've had on this board in a long time.
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Heroineburgh has like a $20 budget and those girls are volunteers.
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I do understand that you're exaggerating for effect, Mr. X, because most of our main cast in our regular episodes is paid, and have been for quite a while, not to mention that when all is said and done, each episode, which takes three months to assemble, costs upwards of $1800. And of course *everyone* who does our customs has been paid from when we started doing them. Plus, many of them are QUITE beautiful, and almost all of them are wearing TIGHT spandex, and have quite good acting skills. Which is why our customers ask for them in the first place.

Not that this has anything at all to do with Agatha All Along. Ernie simply re-fashioned his post into a distracting ad hominem attack because he had nothing else worthwhile to say.

As for the first two episodes of Agatha, I watched another critic who distilled and defined the audience. This show is NOT for t**nage audiences
like The Craft and Charmed were. Nor is it even for 20something audiences who watched the CW Supernatural shows or Hocus Pocus. Instead, this show is for the EXACT same audience who watched those shows decades ago, but now they're all middle-aged women.

The core audience for this show, that critic said, is for WINE AUNTS who dabble in goofy shit like mood candles, aura crystals and tarot readings.
And I tend to agree with that assessment.

[jlocke]

Shitty Incel Take on a show they haven't watched.

I hear Wine Aunts come out of a "film critics" mouth and I know they're just 1st wave Incel theorist leading our brave young men astray. Avoid 1st Wave Incel Propaganda at all cost. They're trying to keep you angry and lonely. They're awful people.

Also, glass houses, stones, don't throw. You have eyes, you know what your actresses look like. Maybe be a little more generous with your descriptions of women you don't know.

[shevek]

Shitty Incel Take on a show they haven't watched.

Are you that dense? I watched the show - the entire first two episodes.
I wrote a review above in this thread.

And right now? I'm watching a much better show (I'll tell you what it is when I'm done with all six episodes). Now, back to watching that show.

[shevek]

You are watching Incel Propaganda. Please stop. Please stop spreading it. Please.

I'll stop posting in this thread entirely and go watch other things, like I've been doing. Not only is Agatha All Along not a show for younger audiences (the traditional target audience for Marvel productions), it's not a show for me, either.

[Malice]

I'll stand with the moderates any day, but if forced to choose between extremes, I'll take the incel over the fascist.

Spoiler

Fascism only leads to burn to more of these

And use the foe function, life is really a treat when you're not confronted to stupid.

[MightyHypnotic]

Guys It's obvious that there is a strong division regarding this series, not only in this forum but I also see some of the Cosplay girls I follow on instagram getting attacked for liking this show.

I've asked JLocke to create a new thread that puts this movie in a positive light. Anyone who wants to support it should go to his thread and leave this one alone.

Shevek shouldn't have to abandon his own thread.

[Malice]

Guys It's obvious that there is a strong division regarding this series, not only in this forum but I also see some of the Cosplay girls I follow on instagram getting attacked for liking this show.

No one should be persecuted for their views.

I've asked JLocke to create a new thread that puts this movie in a positive light. Anyone who wants to support it should go to his thread and leave this one alone.

Shevek shouldn't have to abandon his own thread.

Be wary of handing the torch to inquisitors, things tend to go sideways rather quickly...


I believe all opinions are valid as long as we maintain a civil tone.

While I may not fully agree with some of Femina's comments, I genuinely appreciated all our interactions.