Superman & Lois Season 4

[bushwackerbob]

I am surprised no one started a thread for the final season of Superman & Lois. For me, one of the more ironic aspects of the series is that while shows like The Flash and Arrow started off relatively strong and lost steam in their final seasons, I find the opposite is true for Superman & Lois, the beginning was more hit and miss, but they seemed to hit their stride in seasons 3 and 4. One of more interesting tidbits I learned from exec producer Todd Helberg in an EW.com interview was Superman & Lois was originally planned as part of the Arrowverse, they already had crossovers planned, but COVID scrapped those original plans, and then later decided to keep S&L separate from the rest of the Arrowverse. I won't give away any spoilers, but the stakes are higher than ever in season 4, the acting, especially for a CW series is fantastic. The shit is getting real now as they enter the final season. I remember some folks were disappointed that Lois Lane, mother of teenagers, maybe in her early, mid, or late 40's wasn't the megababe they were hoping for, but god damn it, that Elizabeth Tulloch is such a wonderful actress, and is just killing it as Lois. Tulloch has real acting chops, which is most important for that role in my view.

[shevek]

I am surprised no one started a thread for the final season of Superman & Lois.

I remember some folks were disappointed that Lois Lane, mother of teenagers, maybe in her early, mid, or late 40's wasn't the megababe they were hoping for, but god damn it, that Elizabeth Tulloch is such a wonderful actress, and is just killing it as Lois. Tulloch has real acting chops, which is most important for that role in my view.

I think everyone pretty much forgot it existed, so I'm sure we are glad you reminded us!
I've been starving myself for some good superhero content (reducing myself to watching random Megan Fox movies) so this is very welcome.

As for any disappointment about Lois' hotness, I think that dissipated almost immediately when everyone realized what a great, normal show
S&L is - really, the natural successor to the Superman movies, Lois and Clark, and Smallville, and done with heart and vigor.

I think the vast majority of us quickly stopped worrying about the relative hotness of Tulloch, and just enjoyed the show. Or maybe we looked for scraps of other women in tight spandex in the series (there wasn't much: maybe a bit of Natasha Steel and one brief villainess, I think Onomatopoeia? Double flipped, of course, but hot is hot.)

I'll be binging this very soon, and I hope this becomes an active thread if the show is still that good!

P.S. I took a look at the 'new new CW' (owned by Nexstar) and found a few things that even seem interesting, like the series 'The Chosen' and the game show 'Scrabble', as well as the diverse young wrestling league 'NXT' (again, hot is hot). Also, for those who want to see a bunch of superpowered t**nagers who are never in costumes, you can also peep the seasons of Marvel's 'Runaways' there. (I don't know how far the lesbian relationship of Julie Power and Karolina Dean goes in the show, but I suppose you can find out!)

UPDATE: I couldn't wait, so I watched Episode 1 immediately.

1) First, it's nice that they got the word "PERIL" in there prominently - in print, even. Of course, there's just two men in peril, but what you do want, it's Current Year. At least a bad lady gets clocked once.

2) I'm wondering why Superman thought it was a good idea to have a battle on the Moon and amongst the nearby planetoids. Surely it wouldn't be a good idea to endanger the Earth if huge chunks of rock came hurtling down?

3) It's amazing to think that this whole thing could be avoided if Jordan just up and killed Luthor. I hope that a subplot is introduced where he is severely tempted to do so. I also hope he gets a costume by the season finale, kind of like when Cecile finally got her costume in the very last episode of the entire Flash series.

4) Superman's identity basically becomes 'public' in this episode, if you watch closely. Let's hope our buddy Chuck ("Are you boys OK?") didn't have a cellphone at the ready!

Anyway, definitely watch this. I like the camera shots scanning the moonscape - they really did a good job with some of the CGI, which is heartening considering how far the budget must have been cut when Nexstar took over.

[shevek]

A lot of grandiose emotional statements and tear-jerking stuff in Episodes 2 and 3.

I'm hoping we're about to see the edge of Evil Superboy (Jordan) break through - I'd hate for Luthor to have pretty much nobody on his side other than the Doomsday monster and his mostly incompetent minions. But I guess we'll see.

There were only two things that really annoyed me:

- The discrepancy between Lois getting mad at Jordan for inadvertently revealing his identity to smart-cookie Luthor, and the obvious truth that
her kneeling over the body of Superman (along with her boys) in the *middle of friggin' downtown Smallville with a crowd watching* was not going to already reveal the obvious association. I realize that she was in great distress, but if she had kept her composure a bit, she wouldn't now have the "Chuck" problem, at least.

- The goddamn repetitiveness of these ads on the CW. Episode 2 ran a Lincoln Project ad *8 times*, while Episode 3 dominated with an ad for an Apple TV show *another 8 times*. It's almost like you have to discipline yourself to take a snack or a drink so this shit doesn't get burned into your brain.

Also, it was nice to see Natalie (sorry, I keep saying Natasha) back in the Steel uniform (a bit confusing that her codename is suddenly Starlight, both because of The Boys, and also because when she was Starlight in the New 52, she had actual superpowers, and she doesn't have any here). Tayler is generally cute to look at.

[Mr. X]

Spoiler

I don't like Jon got powers and so fast. Should have stayed only Jordan. Also the fortress does heart surgery but not cure Lois of cancer... yeah sucks. My guess is Superman's powers will be diminished and on the frits and Luthor has Superman's heart in a glass case and they have to get it back to heal clark back permanently.

Gonna be a surprise to luthor when he tries to off the boys and it keeps failing like some bizarre road runner and Wiley Coyote scenario.

Also I don't get Luthor's motivation. Yeah he got railroaded but so what. He's guilty of hundreds of crimes.

[Bronson881]

Lex Luthor does not make a lot of sense. Does he really think he daughter will want anything to do with him with all that he has done? Also, even if he was sent to jail for crimes he did not commit, his criminal actions will send him to jail. Jordan could have and should have killed him when he had the chance.

[Mr. X]

Lex Luthor does not make a lot of sense. Does he really think he daughter will want anything to do with him with all that he has done? Also, even if he was sent to jail for crimes he did not commit, his criminal actions will send him to jail. Jordan could have and should have killed him when he had the chance.

I was thinking about the jail thing also. My view (and this is my rational) is that Luthor prides himself on getting away with stuff because he's smart, always playing 4d chess etc and he lost cause someone just cheated... and the cheater was the pillar of virtue.

But he has no motivation here. He commits so many crimes. Him unleashing Doomsday alone would be a death penalty. I do like he's way better than the lame Flash villains.

[bushwackerbob]

Lex Luthor does not make a lot of sense. Does he really think he daughter will want anything to do with him with all that he has done? Also, even if he was sent to jail for crimes he did not commit, his criminal actions will send him to jail. Jordan could have and should have killed him when he had the chance.

I was thinking about the jail thing also. My view (and this is my rational) is that Luthor prides himself on getting away with stuff because he's smart, always playing 4d chess etc and he lost cause someone just cheated... and the cheater was the pillar of virtue.

But he has no motivation here. He commits so many crimes. Him unleashing Doomsday alone would be a death penalty. I do like he's way better than the lame Flash villains.

I loved Michael Cudlitz on the Walking Dead, I think the actor is great, and maybe I have been spoiled by all of the scene chewing, flamboyant, over the top versions of Lex Luthor, but Cudlitz version of Lex feels like a one dimensional villain, even throwing the daughter thing in there. Cudlitz's Luthor is too morose, one note in my view. I suppose that is a choice by the writers, but even so, Luthor isn't a compelling villain on this show.

[Bronson881]

Yes Lex is a one note villian. He claims he wants to get close to his daughter, but look at all at he has done. Lex has a no redeeming qualities. Superman could easily fix this by simply killing Lex Luthor.

[Mr. X]

Yes Lex is a one note villian. He claims he wants to get close to his daughter, but look at all at he has done. Lex has a no redeeming qualities. Superman could easily fix this by simply killing Lex Luthor.

That would be a good strategy for Lex. He gets Superman to sink down to his level by getting superman to kill him. Shows the angel is no better. But I don't see Lex's motivation. He's just the mean neighbor screaming to get off his lawn.

[shevek]

Surprised nobody has talked about the series finale.
Yes, the Luthor revenge arc was rather weak.

But if you're going to catch the final episode, bring along a box of tissues.
You're going to cry. A lot.

Is this now officially the greatest comic book romance of all time?

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[Mr. X]

It was really good. I also saw the last episode of Supergirl and thought how they are so diametrically different.

They did real good for a season that was so budget cut.

I was thinking that Lex didn't think anything out. If Doomsday was made by repeatedly killing bizarro over and over and he comes back stronger why wouldn't that then occur with Superman.

[GWalb]

If Superman is exact opposite wouldn't he then come back weaker each time?

[Mr. X]

If Superman is exact opposite wouldn't he then come back weaker each time?

You've run rings around me logically

[bushwackerbob]

One final thought on Superman & Lois. I don't know if I have ever seen a show improve so much from the relatively mediocre and mundane season one to the really solid seasons three and four. Usually, these shows run out of creative gas the longer they go, but season 3, and especially season four were excellent, even with one note cardboard villain Lex Luthor. I am glad I stuck with the show.