There may not be another Bond Movie

[Dazzle1]

From todays WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/business/media/jame ... _lead_pos7

Amazon bought the distirubution rights for the Bond Franchise. But Barbara Broccoli retains creative veto on releases plots etc.

And she hates Amazon and won't work with them

I blame Amazon for not doing due dilligence, and I blame this Diva.

Considering she approved the terrible Craig movies and Die Another Day, her judgement and taste is lacking.

[sneakly]

The article is behind a paywall. Amazon will milk the existing films, for every dime. They will eventually wear down Broccoli, offer her a package she can’t turn down. Considering how awful some of the worst of the Bond films have been over the decades, I can’t see her artistic integrity stopping another milking of the cow.

She will cave if there are enough zeros involved and they sooth her bruised ego. Considering she inherited the franchise from her father, who did not even create the character, producing these movies has been funding everything else she wants to do, she’ll get over it quick enough IMHO.

[Visitor]

Broccoli wants to control the usage. Amazon would monetize the brand by creating lots of other versions that might produce a short term profit before viewers get tired of it like Marvel shows.

Craig was less humor especially compared to Roger Moor and Pierce Brosnan. His films were more like what they wanted to do with Timothy Dalton. Gritttier and more practical than the earlier gadget driven ones. They certainly don't want the repeat of George Lazenby who walked away right after his only film Even Craig wanted out and only came back if he died so they couldn't drag him back like Sean Connery.

[Dazzle1]

Broccoli wants to control the usage. Amazon would monetize the brand by creating lots of other versions that might produce a short term profit before viewers get tired of it like Marvel shows.

Craig was less humor especially compared to Roger Moor and Pierce Brosnan. His films were more like what they wanted to do with Timothy Dalton. Gritttier and more practical than the earlier gadget driven ones. They certainly don't want the repeat of George Lazenby who walked away right after his only film Even Craig wanted out and only came back if he died so they couldn't drag him back like Sean Connery.

Broccoli wants Amazon to have no part of it, she is so detached from the real world she thinks Amazon is only an online store

The Craig Bond films were bad, he was played by almost everyone. It is a sad fact that his best scene was the pre title sequence in the first film.

[Dogfish]

Good. Stop making shit just because you were making it before. Make something new.

[phopho]

Bond was really hurt by the fear and insecurity of the producers.

Austin Powers made their classic stuff seem too silly, so they took out any silly stuff

Bourne movies were grounded and realistic and were massive hits, making Bond producers go in that direction

Mission: Impossible gave us the over-the-top action set pieces and was also star-driven in a way Bond could never be since with Bond the IP is the star.

All through the Craig era they also were less and less comfortable with showcasing/objectifying sexy women which was a real drawing point of the series historically, for better or worse.

The Man From UNCLE or Atomic Blonde is probably the direction Bond should have gone in. Make a period piece cold-war adventure.

[five_red]

Amazon bought MGM three years ago. The Broccoli's have creative control over Bond as far as movies go -- any new production has to be okayed and controlled through their Eon Productions company. Amazon, previously MGM, has the exclusive rights to distribute those Bond movies, but not to produce them. (Think of it this way: the Brocolli's are like authors and Amazon are like a book publisher, or the Brocolli's are like a pop group and Amazon are like a record company.) Now, obviously, Amazon wants new Bond material to distribute, but they can't agree with Eon Productions (the Brocollis) what form that material should take and how it should be distributed.

Amazon wanted to produce a tv series, and they also suggested shaking up the brand by introducing a female Bond. Barbara Brocolli rejects the idea of a tv show and insists that, although she's okay with Bond being gay and/or non-white, the character must fundamentally always be British and male. Before the MGM deal Amazon had promised that any new Bond movie would be released into cinemas before going to streaming. But Jennifer Salke, who Amazon brought in run Amazon Studios, has publicly referred to Bond merely as "content" to be sold to the public, which has apparently made Barbara Brocolli suspicious that Amazon sees Bond as merely yet another brand they can exploit to sell Prime subscriptions. (The Brocolli's have been making Bond for sixty years, so are somewhat over-protective of the brand. Barbara, apparently, took offence at it being talked about using such a reductive term as "content".) To make matters worse, Barbara Brocolli claims that she's had trouble getting meetings which Amazon Studio bosses, a problem she never had when MGM Studios had the distribution rights.


R5

[Dazzle1]

Amazon bought MGM three years ago. The Broccoli's have creative control over Bond as far as movies go -- any new production has to be okayed and controlled through their Eon Productions company. Amazon, previously MGM, has the exclusive rights to distribute those Bond movies, but not to produce them. (Think of it this way: the Brocolli's are like authors and Amazon are like a book publisher, or the Brocolli's are like a pop group and Amazon are like a record company.) Now, obviously, Amazon wants new Bond material to distribute, but they can't agree with Eon Productions (the Brocollis) what form that material should take and how it should be distributed.

Amazon wanted to produce a tv series, and they also suggested shaking up the brand by introducing a female Bond. Barbara Brocolli rejects the idea of a tv show and insists that, although she's okay with Bond being gay and/or non-white, the character must fundamentally always be British and male. Before the MGM deal Amazon had promised that any new Bond movie would be released into cinemas before going to streaming. But Jennifer Salke, who Amazon brought in run Amazon Studios, has publicly referred to Bond merely as "content" to be sold to the public, which has apparently made Barbara Brocolli suspicious that Amazon sees Bond as merely yet another brand they can exploit to sell Prime subscriptions. (The Brocolli's have been making Bond for sixty years, so are somewhat over-protective of the brand. Barbara, apparently, took offence at it being talked about using such a reductive term as "content".) To make matters worse, Barbara Brocolli claims that she's had trouble getting meetings which Amazon Studio bosses, a problem she never had when MGM Studios had the distribution rights.


R5

Suggest you read the WSJ article

she is the problem and has been for some time, she acts like a mother hen on the set. She inherited the rights but had nothing to do with making it a worldwide phenonomon. And considering how bad the last 5 films have been ; the franchise would be better with her gone

[five_red]

Not a Bond fan, so can't really comment on the content of the films, but the Craig films had some of the biggest box office returns, even after being adjusted for inflation. However their much much bigger budgets compared to the 1960s and 70s films mean they are far less profitable overall:

https://www.thejamesbonddossier.com/fil ... series.htm

So clearly audiences did respond favourably to the grittier Bond in the Craig films.


R5

[five_red]

Suggest you read the WSJ article

I did. Suggest you read more than just that one article.

she is the problem and has been for some time, she acts like a mother hen on the set. She inherited the rights but had nothing to do with making it a worldwide phenonomon. And considering how bad the last 5 films have been ; the franchise would be better with her gone

She took control of Eon Productions in 1995. There's been a lot of changes in the industry over that time, and yet Bond films kept getting made at regular intervals, seemingly with minimal drama.


R5

[Dogfish]

It's weird to keep picking on just the last five movies because Die Another Day, The World Is Not Enough and Tomorrow Never Dies are also complete shit. I didn't like Casino Royale at all, but a lot of people did, it was considered a vaguely successful reboot, and that reboot was necessary, because the series had hit rock bottom. The direction they went afterwards was incredibly stupid, introducing Bond as a new 00 agent, then immediately he's meant to be past it and a man out of time, it made no sense. But they've never made sense.

The last legitimately enjoyable Bond movie, like really good by Bond standards, is Goldeneye.

And then maybe A View To A Kill? I don't Dalton has a single good one. And before that, holy crap, we looking into the 1970s for decent Bond movies and nobody should need to be doing that for a franchise.

It's like when we let the Carry On movies go, because they were shit. It has to happen. Not everything should try to be Star Wars.

[Dazzle1]

It's weird to keep picking on just the last five movies because Die Another Day, The World Is Not Enough and Tomorrow Never Dies are also complete shit. I didn't like Casino Royale at all, but a lot of people did, it was considered a vaguely successful reboot, and that reboot was necessary, because the series had hit rock bottom. The direction they went afterwards was incredibly stupid, introducing Bond as a new 00 agent, then immediately he's meant to be past it and a man out of time, it made no sense. But they've never made sense.

The last legitimately enjoyable Bond movie, like really good by Bond standards, is Goldeneye.

And then maybe A View To A Kill? I don't Dalton has a single good one. And before that, holy crap, we looking into the 1970s for decent Bond movies and nobody should need to be doing that for a franchise.

It's like when we let the Carry On movies go, because they were shit. It has to happen. Not everything should try to be Star Wars.

I like Tomorrow Never Dies

Great Villain
Michelle Yeoh
Best Chase

View to Kill is awful, Moore is too old, 2 terrible Bond Girls and a wimp of a villain.

[shevek]

I know little to nothing about the Bond situation, guys, it's just not my forte. (So forgive me if I might be talking a little out of turn)
I like the songs "Live and Let Die" and "A View to a Kill".
But the little I have heard about the Bond franchise lately had to do with making Bond black or female or lesbian or all three.
I would assume, given their respective cultural leanings, that Amazon wants to do woke things, and that Eon Productions generally does not.
I don't know the current state of things, but Wikipedia tells me that Eon is both Barbara *and* her brother Michael, and they would both have to agree on a direction for Bond, I assume? She looks like a tough cookie, kind of like a reverse Kathleen Kennedy maybe?

[Dazzle1]

I know little to nothing about the Bond situation, guys, it's just not my forte. (So forgive me if I might be talking a little out of turn)
I like the songs "Live and Let Die" and "A View to a Kill".
But the little I have heard about the Bond franchise lately had to do with making Bond black or female or lesbian or all three.
I would assume, given their respective cultural leanings, that Amazon wants to do woke things, and that Eon Productions generally does not.
I don't know the current state of things, but Wikipedia tells me that Eon is both Barbara *and* her brother Michael, and they would both have to agree on a direction for Bond, I assume? She looks like a tough cookie, kind of like a reverse Kathleen Kennedy maybe?

She may be a tough cookie, but she (Michael is near retirement) not acting in good faith

[five_red]

I don't know the current state of things, but Wikipedia tells me that Eon is both Barbara *and* her brother Michael, and they would both have to agree on a direction for Bond, I assume? She looks like a tough cookie, kind of like a reverse Kathleen Kennedy maybe?

I get the impression, based upon what is written, that Barbara has this old-school vision of cinema. She's firmly in the Tom Cruise / Martin Scorsese camp when it comes to how she perceives the industry. MGM was a business, but it still saw movies as some form of 'art' to some degree. It had its tentpole big-budget franchises (like Bond in recent times, or its musicals back in the 50s and 60s), but it also sometimes backed smaller budget movies with lesser known directors and up-and-coming actors. These days, streaming services see movies as nothing more than content to help sell their subscription services -- and in the case of Amazon their streaming platform is just a bonus they use to help sell Amazon Prime.

Although companies like Netflix and Amazon entered this space by financing glossy movies and tv shows, that era is rapidly drawing to a close. Increased competition, subscribers limiting their monthly subscriptions, plus a growing awareness that you never actually 'own' anything on a streaming services (like you do it you buy the Blu-ray box set) has led to a tightening in the market. And this has led to more interference by streaming services in artistic visions of creators.

For example, there's been reports that Netflix and Amazon are starting to insist that new movies be dumbed down to cater for the 'second screen' generation. The streaming services have noticed that the movies that do the best on their platforms are the ones that don't need too much attention to follow the plot. There's a section of viewers who are addicted to their smartphones, and unable to watch for two hours without being distracted. So writers and directors have been specifically told to keep plots simple, and repeat any important plot information at least three times, to ensure the 'second screen' audience doesn't get lost and switch off. Streaming services are starting to make it clear that what they want in future is not great 'art', but movies and tv shows that rank high in their algorithms. And this includes doing things like catering for the 'second screen' generation by dumbing stuff down and repeating information.

Naturally there's been a backlash against this by movie makers, who consider what they do as 'art' rather than sausage-making to feed a recommendations algorithm. And I wonder if Barbara's objections are part of that backlash. In her attacks on Amazon she mentions the term "algorithm", but I've not read any specifics on what she means. I can't help but suspect that she's voicing the same concerns others are making, perhaps.

EDIT: I guess the bigger question is -- assuming my interpretation is in any way correct -- is Barbara Broccoli making a principled stand to protect the modest amount of artistic integrity the industry has (or had?), or is she just some out-of-touch has-been who needs to accept that the future of movies is to cater to recommendations algorithms?

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[sneakly]

I might point out that one of the Bond movies had Denise Richards as a Nuclear physicist named Christmas Jones. I would not worry about Amazon dumbing down the movies.... Bond is very dated. You just can't get away with Bond strangling women with their bikini tops, like the old days.... The Bourne movies and Mission Impossible movies have all been doing better versions of Bond than Bond. I was disappointed that Mike Myers stopped making Austin Powers movies, they were better than the movies they were mocking.

I think the way to get the most out of the old school sexist, misogynist spy movies of yesteryear will be in parodies.

[Dazzle1]

I might point out that one of the Bond movies had Denise Richards as a Nuclear physicist named Christmas Jones. I would not worry about Amazon dumbing down the movies.... Bond is very dated. You just can't get away with Bond strangling women with their bikini tops, like the old days.... The Bourne movies and Mission Impossible movies have all been doing better versions of Bond than Bond. I was disappointed that Mike Myers stopped making Austin Powers movies, they were better than the movies they were mocking.

I think the way to get the most out of the old school sexist, misogynist spy movies of yesteryear will be in parodies.

The Tom Cruise MI movies are a joke compared to the TV series. Pizza vs Gourmet meal

After the second Bourne movie it went way down hill.

Several of the Bond movies are timeless

[sneakly]

I might point out that one of the Bond movies had Denise Richards as a Nuclear physicist named Christmas Jones. I would not worry about Amazon dumbing down the movies.... Bond is very dated. You just can't get away with Bond strangling women with their bikini tops, like the old days.... The Bourne movies and Mission Impossible movies have all been doing better versions of Bond than Bond. I was disappointed that Mike Myers stopped making Austin Powers movies, they were better than the movies they were mocking.

I think the way to get the most out of the old school sexist, misogynist spy movies of yesteryear will be in parodies.

The Tom Cruise MI movies are a joke compared to the TV series. Pizza vs Gourmet meal

After the second Bourne movie it went way down hill.

Several of the Bond movies are timeless

Several of them are. Many of them are cartoonish dreck. They tend towards the ridiculous, A famous secret agent? kind of defeats the whole point.... I was a big fan when I was a kid, but they got repetitive. Like the Star Wars franchise, they overstay their welcome and become cash engines where the box office becomes the driving force. The dispute isn't about the artist direction, it is about how best to milk this cow.

[batgirl1969]

A Jane Bond would be cool....put her in lots of sexual peril and predicaments, like the comic and parody Jane Bondage, have her into group sex, lesbians and bi-sexual & straight encounters, she'll do anything for God and Country!!!

[sneakly]

Man/girl from Uncle, The Avengers (60s version), Wild, Wild West, Get Smart were all good and didn't drag around the weight of "James Bond". the movies seldom delivered on the hype. None of the original creators are around and unless they want to recreate the sunny, sexy locales and aesthetic of the Connery movies, I don't have much interest in watching the slushy streets of Eastern Europe or tourist swamped Venice. Bond movies have become so cliche, you don't really need Bond in them.

I would like to see a big budget erotic knock off, have Bondagecafe supervise costuming and rigging.

[Mr. X]

Good. I think some of these franchises need to die. Make something new. Fast and Furious seemed to replace James Bond.

[Dazzle1]

Man/girl from Uncle, The Avengers (60s version), Wild, Wild West, Get Smart were all good and didn't drag around the weight of "James Bond". the movies seldom delivered on the hype. None of the original creators are around and unless they want to recreate the sunny, sexy locales and aesthetic of the Connery movies, I don't have much interest in watching the slushy streets of Eastern Europe or tourist swamped Venice. Bond movies have become so cliche, you don't really need Bond in them.

I would like to see a big budget erotic knock off, have Bondagecafe supervise costuming and rigging.

You would need either Jasmine Jae or Sasha Crane to play the Female Bond in this

[shevek]

I think part of the point is that old things which were once insanely popular diminish in popularity over time as the average consumer loses a frame of reference for it. I'm not going to say that old things "die out" entirely because often that is not quite true.

For example, we have a Pulp Fest convention here in Pgh well attended by fans who love pulp fiction, but millions of comics fans and movie watchers will never go to a Con like that.

Or another example: I just walked out of a record store with several purchased records, and it was well patronized on a Saturday with customers young and old looking to buy vinyl records, but of course millions of people will never walk into a record store anymore.

I myself, in selling our PG-13 (and occasionally light R) videos which evoke the 70s and 80s, have noticed that we not only have a steady niche audience but that it mostly consists of younger males (20s/30s) who are definitely into SHIP. And like Five Red says, they prefer to OWN the thing that they are paying for, so it doesn't get taken away from them like streaming. It's not a huge fanbase, but it's definitely there. That wouldn't happen if the genre is "dying out".

Mr. X is right. There are other kinds of action franchises that have replaced Bond. But Bond still exists as a niche. And from what it looks like, Barbara Broccoli wants to preserve the integrity of that niche, so it doesn't end up chopped and screwed by the algorithm. Good for her.

[Mr. X]

Mr. X is right. There are other kinds of action franchises that have replaced Bond. But Bond still exists as a niche. And from what it looks like, Barbara Broccoli wants to preserve the integrity of that niche, so it doesn't end up chopped and screwed by the algorithm. Good for her.

It was like that Avengers movie that came out (the british spy thing). No one dresses like a dapper guy in a suit and bolder hat anymore. Even for its day Steed was a rather quirky British gent driving around in an old, classic car. Not really spy material. Only saving grace of that show was the fetish levels of chloroform used which I thank them dearly. Tara King must have retired with severe brain damage after a while

[Dazzle1]

Mr. X is right. There are other kinds of action franchises that have replaced Bond. But Bond still exists as a niche. And from what it looks like, Barbara Broccoli wants to preserve the integrity of that niche, so it doesn't end up chopped and screwed by the algorithm. Good for her.

It was like that Avengers movie that came out (the british spy thing). No one dresses like a dapper guy in a suit and bolder hat anymore. Even for its day Steed was a rather quirky British gent driving around in an old, classic car. Not really spy material. Only saving grace of that show was the fetish levels of chloroform used which I thank them dearly. Tara King must have retired with severe brain damage after a while

The Avengers with Steed and Emma Peel is one of those timeless entertainments I mentioned, like Star Trek TOS or Tom Baker's Doctor Who

[Dogfish]

I think the problem with Bond is that part of the point of the character is that he's supposed to be this relic of the cold war. And that works fine if your movie is made in the 1990s. And it even works fine if your movie is set in the 1960s, because Bond can still be this kind of unrefined maverick agent who isn't signing from the same hymn sheet as the bosses.

It doesn't work in 2024 because to be a cold war spy he'd have to be in his sixties. For him to be a man out of time, fighting the last war, he'd have to be one of those dipshits who didn't see 9/11 coming until it was on the news. For him to be a contemporary agent he'd be, well, useless. All MI6 seems to do these days is get rings run round them by the Russians and Chinese (to be fair they did cotton onto the fact that Prince Andrew's new best friend was a Chinese spy and it only took them four years).

For modern British spies we've got things like Slow Horses. A show that fits where we are in the global pecking order now.

That new Day of the Jackal series seems to have done all right too. But again, it's not Bond.

I think for a Bond movie to be worth doing now, somebody would have to bite the bullet and set it in the 1960s. But that's a lot of money to spend on things that aren't exploding.

[ivandobsky]

There may not be another Bond Movie

Sad, but consider the alternative.

[Lurkndog]

There will continue to be Bond movies, just like there will continue to be Westerns.

Even if MGM collapses into dust and takes the Broccoli family with it.

Bond is one of the top 10 movie franchises of all time, people will take a run at it every ten or 20 years no matter what.

[Dazzle1]

Well Amazon won

Barbara don t let the door hit you on the way out

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/20/business ... index.html

[Dogfish]

My small hope is that the series comes back as a period piece. Set it in the era it was written for.

[Visitor]

I hope they don't ruin the franchise by making it an imitation of another franchise.

[Dazzle1]

I hope they don't ruin the franchise by making it an imitation of another franchise.

I agree . Someone on LinkedIn wants the next Bond to be LGBTQ+ claiming there is a demand for it

Can we agree on this?

Bond is male
He is a womanizer
He believes in violence
Bond Girls have to be hot

[Mr. X]

I felt the Mission Impossible series took its place.

[Maskripper]

Well, at least something is happening now after 3 years of (basically) nothingness.

Is it good news? Well... impossible to say now, but I keep an open mind.
Maybe this is exactly what was needed to jumpstart the franchise again in a good way.
It's funny how 99% of the people in the comments on Youtube and so on are so sure that this is bad news, as if Amazon ruined countless franchises in the past. (yeah, there are other companies who did that... I know)
Well, a fresh new start was needed... one way or the other.
Let's see what will be served....

[Dazzle1]

I felt the Mission Impossible series took its place.

Speaking of a franchise ruined

That what Mission Impossible is compared to the TV series

[Lurkndog]

I felt the Mission Impossible series took its place.

Speaking of a franchise ruined

That what Mission Impossible is compared to the TV series

I felt the same way when the first MI movie came out, but as the films progressed, I got over it.

[Visitor]

The MI movies relied on Tom Cruise and his wanting to do bigger action stunts. Once he's gone, there isn't a real replacement to keep the movies going at that level.

The MI series lasted so long because everyone was replaceable and they were still able to revive it years later during a writer's strike using old scripts. It was a procedural with well written scripts that kept your interest.

The Bond franchise lated 60 years with every actor replaced while keeping the style of what people wanted. It remains tone seen if they can keep the elements and find new actors. Just doing a spy action film with the lead called James Bond won't be enough.

[Dazzle1]

The MI movies relied on Tom Cruise and his wanting to do bigger action stunts. Once he's gone, there isn't a real replacement to keep the movies going at that level.

The MI series lasted so long because everyone was replaceable and they were still able to revive it years later during a writer's strike using old scripts. It was a procedural with well written scripts that kept your interest.

The Bond franchise lated 60 years with every actor replaced while keeping the style of what people wanted. It remains tone seen if they can keep the elements and find new actors. Just doing a spy action film with the lead called James Bond won't be enough.

The MI series replacements sometimes worked sometime did not
Peter Graves was an improvement over Stephen Hill
Leonard Nimoy and Lesley Ann Warren were not over Marin Landeau and Barbara Bain

[Malice]

Well, at least something is happening now after 3 years of (basically) nothingness.

Is it good news? Well... impossible to say now, but I keep an open mind.
Maybe this is exactly what was needed to jumpstart the franchise again in a good way.
It's funny how 99% of the people in the comments on Youtube and so on are so sure that this is bad news, as if Amazon ruined countless franchises in the past. (yeah, there are other companies who did that... I know)
Well, a fresh new start was needed... one way or the other.
Let's see what will be served....

I agree, and I’d like to stay optimistic too. Nothing’s been officially announced yet.

Why not wait and actually judge the damn thing when it comes out? Amazon already gave us Reacher (not perfect, but pretty damn good.) I’m willing to bet they’ve gotten the message loud and clear about what audiences don’t want to see.

They threw a shit-ton of money at Rings of Power, only to watch it crash and burn ( both artistically and in viewership.)

After a disaster like that, you’d think they’re scrambling to figure out where the hell they went wrong.

And if, by some miracle, they realize the writers they hired were the root of all their problems, well, then we’re fucking golden.

[Dogfish]

I felt the Mission Impossible series took its place.

Speaking of a franchise ruined

That what Mission Impossible is compared to the TV series

I felt the same way when the first MI movie came out, but as the films progressed, I got over it.

I had to separate the two. Felt like a shitty move to have the villain of the movie be the hero of the TV show.

[Dogfish]

I hope they don't ruin the franchise by making it an imitation of another franchise.

I agree . Someone on LinkedIn wants the next Bond to be LGBTQ+ claiming there is a demand for it

Can we agree on this?

Bond is male
He is a womanizer
He believes in violence
Bond Girls have to be hot

Problem you've got there is that if they just go for the modern version, bearing in mind it's on Amazon, it's just Jack Reacher with a relatively tiny hero that nobody is going to clip videos of for Youtube.

Plus it's even less convincing that he'd be doing anything at all because Britain is such an unconvincing base for a world-saving spy now.

Stick it back in the 1950/60s. He can be doing his bit to cling to the remnants of empire and we can have the Russians as the baddies again.

Maybe, just maybe, give Guy Ritchie a go with it. I will die on the hill that The Man From Uncle was under-appreciated. And he did a great job with Sherlock Holmes.

[Mr. X]

I agree. What relevance does James Bond have? I remember one of the later bonds the new Q brings up nobody does footwork anymore. Everything is computers. The only reason they need a "spy" is to be a hammer and wack someone.

And the movie industry won't touch anything real world like Islam or terrorism so who is going to be the bad guy, some redneck KKK members living in trailers? Some made up Trump guy like in Capt America brave new world?

[batgirl1969]

I hope they don't ruin the franchise by making it an imitation of another franchise.

I agree . Someone on LinkedIn wants the next Bond to be LGBTQ+ claiming there is a demand for it

Can we agree on this?

Bond is male
He is a womanizer
He believes in violence
Bond Girls have to be hot

I agree and even LESBIANS should be able to fall prey to the seduction of James Bond and end up bedded by him!!!

[Maskripper]

If you want one hour of the two best Bond Youtubers discussing this.... check this out:
(incl. some crazy commentators in the live chat)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG6_yEwbsAs
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https://www.youtube.com/@TheBondExperience
https://www.youtube.com/@calvindyson
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[sneakly]

I agree. What relevance does James Bond have? I remember one of the later bonds the new Q brings up nobody does footwork anymore. Everything is computers. The only reason they need a "spy" is to be a hammer and wack someone.

And the movie industry won't touch anything real world like Islam or terrorism so who is going to be the bad guy, some redneck KKK members living in trailers? Some made up Trump guy like in Capt America brave new world?

Moo raker is looking a lot more plausible these days….

@batgirl1966, Pussy Galore in Gold Finger was supposed to be a lesbian he seduced.

[Dazzle1]

I hope they don't ruin the franchise by making it an imitation of another franchise.

I agree . Someone on LinkedIn wants the next Bond to be LGBTQ+ claiming there is a demand for it

Can we agree on this?

Bond is male
He is a womanizer
He believes in violence
Bond Girls have to be hot

I agree and even LESBIANS should be able to fall prey to the seduction of James Bond and end up bedded by him!!!

or a threesome.

Octopussy and Magda both slept with Bond, and were friends.

Or if you want Femdom instead of killing Bond, Bambi and Thumper dominate him

[Visitor]

@batgirl1966, Pussy Galore in Gold Finger was supposed to be a lesbian he seduced.

The novel gave her mentioning in her teens that she was raped by a cousin and gave up men.

Looking at the past movies you can see why they were having trouble finding a new villain:

Bllofeld and/or Specre operatives:
Dr. No
From Russia with Love
Thunderball
You Only Live Twice
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Diamonds are Forever
Quantum f Solace
Spectre
Die Another Day (killed off Blofeld and Spectre)

Drug Cartels:
Live and Let Die
License to Kill

Assassins:
The Man with the Golden Gun

Kill off the Wworld to remake it:
TheSpy Who Loved Me
Moonraker

Communist hardliner:
Octopussy

Rich man wanting to get richer:
Goldfinger
A View to a Kill
Tomorrow Never Dies

Former spy seeking revenge:
Goldeneye
Skyfall

Terrorist:
The World is not Enough

Other:
For Your Eyes Only (recovering spy device)
The Living Daylights (Russian general getting rich with drug deal and weapons trade)
Die Another Day (North Koreans)
Casinao Royale (financing spy/terrorist groups)

[Dogfish]

I agree. What relevance does James Bond have? I remember one of the later bonds the new Q brings up nobody does footwork anymore. Everything is computers. The only reason they need a "spy" is to be a hammer and wack someone.

And the movie industry won't touch anything real world like Islam or terrorism so who is going to be the bad guy, some redneck KKK members living in trailers? Some made up Trump guy like in Capt America brave new world?

Do you want Riz Ahmed to be the next James Bond? We can have Riz Ahmed as the next James Bond if you want. I'm down to clown. Because if you try to have a straight up white guy infiltrating an Islamist Terror organisation, it's going to look very weird. Also really boring. People have done the research on these groups, they're not smart people. They mostly got a free ride because intelligence services, like anitbodies in a body, had absolutely no idea what they were looking for and couldn't engage with them.

When it comes to plots the 70s/80s Bond had the right idea. Find the richest fucker you can, and kill him. Loads of the classic Bonds are just, "Holy shit this guy is rich as hell, also evil, better steal his girl and kill him."

[batgirl1969]

I hope they don't ruin the franchise by making it an imitation of another franchise.

I agree . Someone on LinkedIn wants the next Bond to be LGBTQ+ claiming there is a demand for it

Can we agree on this?

Bond is male
He is a womanizer
He believes in violence
Bond Girls have to be hot

I agree and even LESBIANS should be able to fall prey to the seduction of James Bond and end up bedded by him!!!

or a threesome.

Octopussy and Magda both slept with Bond, and were friends.

Or if you want Femdom instead of killing Bond, Bambi and Thumper dominate him

There you go!!! Threesomes, seduction, lesdoms whipping the shit out of Bond, all good things in my book!! PussyGalore sounds like a spy name I could live with!!!

[Mr. X]

I agree. What relevance does James Bond have? I remember one of the later bonds the new Q brings up nobody does footwork anymore. Everything is computers. The only reason they need a "spy" is to be a hammer and wack someone.

And the movie industry won't touch anything real world like Islam or terrorism so who is going to be the bad guy, some redneck KKK members living in trailers? Some made up Trump guy like in Capt America brave new world?

Do you want Riz Ahmed to be the next James Bond? We can have Riz Ahmed as the next James Bond if you want. I'm down to clown. Because if you try to have a straight up white guy infiltrating an Islamist Terror organisation, it's going to look very weird. Also really boring. People have done the research on these groups, they're not smart people. They mostly got a free ride because intelligence services, like anitbodies in a body, had absolutely no idea what they were looking for and couldn't engage with them.

When it comes to plots the 70s/80s Bond had the right idea. Find the richest fucker you can, and kill him. Loads of the classic Bonds are just, "Holy shit this guy is rich as hell, also evil, better steal his girl and kill him."

Elliot Page. Sure, why not.