I am glad you FINALLY admit your films are PG rated.HeroineLegends wrote:So my screenwriters wanted me to ask more clearly and directly to the viewers for some good examples of sexual peril that are not just setups for sex scenes.
Don't be too detailed, they are not looking for scripts or full scenes-- just some things that could happen in a more mature content setting that wouldn't happen in our PG films.
I'm the only one registered on this board (until Vito is approved for Alter Ego Pictures) so it's just gotta go through my threads for the answers. I'll share the replies with my team. Thanks!
On the quoted idea, I like the situation where a victorious villainess teases a kneeling heroine with a sexy dance. She shows off her legs and hips, smothers her face with her bottom et cetera in order to express her power and dominance. Other than that, I really like a weakened but still standing heroine finished with a knee in her crotch, or a heroine fallen to the ground getting kicked between her legs by the pointy toe of a boot. I guess it qualifies as sexual?PowerGirlFanBoy wrote:- forced to dance sexy. Once defeated, a superheroine is forced to perform a sexy dance or model her body for a group of villains or in front of a camera.
Richpartist wrote:All I would ask for is BETTER CHLORO SCENES.I get that you are not "into" the fetish Logan but you would get a lot more of MY money if you got a "chloro consultant"
By this forum's rating system, this community calls them PG films. By any other standard due to sexual situations, language, and violence, they would be considered R-rated. It's taken me quite some time to try to figure out the supposed rating system here, but I found out the other day that you all have a different rating system then the next person. Nudity with sexual peril is X-rated in our language to our cast and crew. You guys continue to call it R-rated. Sorry, but no mainstream film with this content will ever receive an R rating.mrestfla wrote:I am glad you FINALLY admit your films are PG rated.HeroineLegends wrote:So my screenwriters wanted me to ask more clearly and directly to the viewers for some good examples of sexual peril that are not just setups for sex scenes.
Don't be too detailed, they are not looking for scripts or full scenes-- just some things that could happen in a more mature content setting that wouldn't happen in our PG films.
I'm the only one registered on this board (until Vito is approved for Alter Ego Pictures) so it's just gotta go through my threads for the answers. I'll share the replies with my team. Thanks!
I read it and liked the feedback -- I'm just going to give my screenwriters a link to this thread so all the info is in one placeryorb wrote:I thought I gave you some ideas from your Defeated Heroines post about a week ago. Did you not like the suggestions, or do you want more specific than this? What you did in Canary part 1 was extremely close, just needs to go a step further with some costume destruction / nudity and success on the part of the villain. But there was good suspense in that scene.
- bondage with sexual peril
- costumes ripped/tattered but never completely removed
- partial nudity
- sexual suspense. I think this is the part missing from the directors that are giving us the sexual peril today. They do a couple of minutes of fighting to display the heroine, then she gets captured, and the rest is just a sex vid. You need to play up with the villain telling her what is going to happen to her, see the fear in her face that there is nothing she can do about it.
- forced cooperation. Heroine forced to do things to the villain in order to save somebody etc.
- angry/heroic to the end. Again an aspect that current directors are missing IMO. The heroine should not start to enjoy it at any point. This is the worst thing that the villain could do to her. He wins!
I don't think you understand that there is a difference between my direction to an actress' and their delivery. We model chloro scenes off of the examples we have been given on the forums. If there's something missing, it's because the fetish has not been explained in enough detail or even simpler, closer examples provided to the exact scenario you want. That still doesn't guarantee we will get that same performance from the actress. We shot a very long Fausta chloro / fondling / simulated sex scene today... We film them as they make sense and with close iteration to the examples provided to us.Richpartist wrote:All I would ask for is BETTER CHLORO SCENES.I get that you are not "into" the fetish Logan but you would get a lot more of MY money if you got a "chloro consultant"
Can I just add to ryorb's list that the heroine can be angry and heroic to the end, but at some point she must show fear i.e. that she realises that this is her end. Fear can be a great motivator, so it does not have to result in her accepting her fate. I would also second the sexual peril comment. I realise that the genre is heavily influenced by porn, but I appreciate most the stories where the heroine is not consumed by her untamed sexual feelings when a Hitachi is produced. Granted depowering via orgasm has its attractions in a story - "how else can the mighty heroine be humbled?" - but really after all these years, can't we come up with something more original?HeroineLegends wrote:I read it and liked the feedback -- I'm just going to give my screenwriters a link to this thread so all the info is in one placeryorb wrote:I thought I gave you some ideas from your Defeated Heroines post about a week ago. Did you not like the suggestions, or do you want more specific than this? What you did in Canary part 1 was extremely close, just needs to go a step further with some costume destruction / nudity and success on the part of the villain. But there was good suspense in that scene.
- bondage with sexual peril
- costumes ripped/tattered but never completely removed
- partial nudity
- sexual suspense. I think this is the part missing from the directors that are giving us the sexual peril today. They do a couple of minutes of fighting to display the heroine, then she gets captured, and the rest is just a sex vid. You need to play up with the villain telling her what is going to happen to her, see the fear in her face that there is nothing she can do about it.
- forced cooperation. Heroine forced to do things to the villain in order to save somebody etc.
- angry/heroic to the end. Again an aspect that current directors are missing IMO. The heroine should not start to enjoy it at any point. This is the worst thing that the villain could do to her. He wins!
I like this a lot. Fluid Abuse could be awesome if it's done well with the heroine showing indignant fury at the humiliation. However, it's extremely easy to mess-up. Particularly if the actress can't help giggling or she "breaks character" in some other way at the key moment when the fluid hits her face.WOW-Girl wrote:Party Plastic Ball's Pool fight and trap the girl half stripped or not between two glass doors or transparent rubber sheets are my initial suggestions.
Slapstick Knockout Fluid Abuse Scenes are something mildly erotic too and easy to be done despite the mess.
I think your chloro scenes have been very good, specially since Transition to Darkness, you and the girls get what makes sence from the scenes, that is why I keep requesting them in the customs I request from you and hope I can do more into the future.HeroineLegends wrote:I don't think you understand that there is a difference between my direction to an actress' and their delivery. We model chloro scenes off of the examples we have been given on the forums. If there's something missing, it's because the fetish has not been explained in enough detail or even simpler, closer examples provided to the exact scenario you want. That still doesn't guarantee we will get that same performance from the actress. We shot a very long Fausta chloro / fondling / simulated sex scene today... We film them as they make sense and with close iteration to the examples provided to us.Richpartist wrote:All I would ask for is BETTER CHLORO SCENES.I get that you are not "into" the fetish Logan but you would get a lot more of MY money if you got a "chloro consultant"
The actresses would need to be paid way more to do these types of scenes so I would only do this as a custom that full paid for supplies, actresses, etcWOW-Girl wrote:But... Mister H'L, the Candy and Ice Cream factories are begging for this kind of exploitation fetish and the pvc/latex and, some reluctantly, leather fashion costume designers are on this band wagon too ! It might be messy but is safer and more healthy than piss, sperm and, don't forget, shit. Many sectors in the Cooking industries and home made videos eagerly demand to somebody to kickstart this.HeroineLegends wrote:Without examples, I wouldn't attempt "fluid abuse" and a few others. If I have a clear understanding of the fetish, then I can create many types of scenes with it. Otherwise, I won't attempt it because I don't want to miss the mark...
Please Sir, bring the messy fetish scenes back to the table all over the girls faces, breasts, asses, thighs, hands and feet, in fact let the girls do the same with the boys too in a matter of fairness !
Is not like somebody else never try that before with less class, charm and competence than your company before.
Or even DC Comics in their less shitty days.
I would never invite an audience to watch us film... And definitely not make it a live event. That would cost more than the filming itself.WOW-Girl wrote:Advertise, sell tickets and people will eventually pay twice for the same content, once live and the second when available for download and you can always ask the girlfriends in the audience to help to clean the mess and add extra footage to be sold as separately downloadable content later. Never forget : Build up the audience expectation and people will eventually come.HeroineLegends wrote:The actresses would need to be paid way more to do these types of scenes so I would only do this as a custom that full paid for supplies, actresses, etc
Clean-up alone would require me to hire people and extract the mess.
How, where and when they will come is a totally private matter to be discussed with their boyfriends and girlfriends at home but tease them and they might be willing to tell how much is their eagerness to pay for the content you might be able to provide.
The guys from steelkittens can share some insights.
http://www.superheroineforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22703
HeroineLegends wrote:
The actresses would need to be paid way more to do these types of scenes so I would only do this as a custom that full paid for supplies, actresses, etc
Clean-up alone would require me to hire people and extract the mess.
We don't have a hose in our place so it would be a lot of mopping, etc... I haven't had a really big request for this other than one or two people also. If I get more of a demand, I might consider it, but it's a lot to invest in for a small amount of sales... High risk of loss...Mr. X wrote:HeroineLegends wrote:
The actresses would need to be paid way more to do these types of scenes so I would only do this as a custom that full paid for supplies, actresses, etc
Clean-up alone would require me to hire people and extract the mess.
Nahh. We used to do mud wrestle all the time. Real easy to do. That or baby oil or jello. Only problem we had was we had to run the heat real high cause the girls would be freezing. But clean up is easy if your place has a shower or just a hose. You buy one of those plastic kiddie pools and put plastic sheets down then just ball the whole thing up and toss it. In fact we did one video that was paint.
There's a huge difference in quality between a producer who "gets' the fetish and one who obviously doesn't and is just throwing it in there because that's what people want. Chloro is used a lot it seems but most times not very well. Can't tell you how often I've purchased a video that promised a chloro scene and it was just rubbish. I believe this is due to the producer simply not having the fetish. Paragon specialized in it and his stuff is hands down the best.maar13 wrote:Richpartist wrote:All I would ask for is BETTER CHLORO SCENES.I get that you are not "into" the fetish Logan but you would get a lot more of MY money if you got a "chloro consultant"
sorry man but maybe your concept of "good chloro scene" differs from others. from where I stand his scenes are good because the girls kind of get what the chloro is supposed to be more than just standind there and mmmmfing until it gets tiresome.
If you want them to make something like from Paragon movies....yawwwwn...it might not be happening and I for one hope it doesn't, just my two cents.
Well I think I disagree with you there, I don't like most of Paragon's scenes but that is maybe just personal choice, some times is just too long and some others it seems and some others seems like what is Koing the girl bu rubbing their breast and not by the ko itself.drh1966 wrote:There's a huge difference in quality between a producer who "gets' the fetish and one who obviously doesn't and is just throwing it in there because that's what people want. Chloro is used a lot it seems but most times not very well. Can't tell you how often I've purchased a video that promised a chloro scene and it was just rubbish. I believe this is due to the producer simply not having the fetish. Paragon specialized in it and his stuff is hands down the best.maar13 wrote:Richpartist wrote:All I would ask for is BETTER CHLORO SCENES.I get that you are not "into" the fetish Logan but you would get a lot more of MY money if you got a "chloro consultant"
sorry man but maybe your concept of "good chloro scene" differs from others. from where I stand his scenes are good because the girls kind of get what the chloro is supposed to be more than just standind there and mmmmfing until it gets tiresome.
If you want them to make something like from Paragon movies....yawwwwn...it might not be happening and I for one hope it doesn't, just my two cents.
I think you're missing the point here - I would never make a live event of a filmingWOW-Girl wrote:That's why people are never invited to watch wrestling events for free, you sold tickets for that. As far as you expose Sir the only thing missing is the infrastructure for said event. Like i repeatedly said like a broken record : "Build and People will come !" Apple didn't build it self outside of the garage without a lot of effort and investiment as well talent or at least a ruthless genius able to handle it.HeroineLegends wrote:I would never invite an audience to watch us film... And definitely not make it a live event. That would cost more than the filming itself. We don't have a hose in our place so it would be a lot of mopping, etc... I haven't had a really big request for this other than one or two people also. If I get more of a demand, I might consider it, but it's a lot to invest in for a small amount of sales... High risk of loss...
It doesn't sound like you get what Paragon does, or did. Chloro and fondling, just keeping the girl groggy or out while they fondle and tie her up. If that's your bag then they're you're guys. But if you aren't really into chloro, well then no.maar13 wrote:
Well I think I disagree with you there, I don't like most of Paragon's scenes but that is maybe just personal choice, some times is just too long and some others it seems and some others seems like what is Koing the girl bu rubbing their breast and not by the ko itself.
I am not burying the concept of the people at Paragon but is not something I don't like because of what I said above.
Like I said, I like HL scenes better because in the end the scenes are good, same with Next Global Crisis choro scenes, wich are not that frequent but still good.
I am into chloro, actually love it, but not really into fondling, and sorry man, but like I said, for me it looks like the fondling does the job, not the chloro.drh1966 wrote:It doesn't sound like you get what Paragon does, or did. Chloro and fondling, just keeping the girl groggy or out while they fondle and tie her up. If that's your bag then they're you're guys. But if you aren't really into chloro, well then no.maar13 wrote:
Well I think I disagree with you there, I don't like most of Paragon's scenes but that is maybe just personal choice, some times is just too long and some others it seems and some others seems like what is Koing the girl bu rubbing their breast and not by the ko itself.
I am not burying the concept of the people at Paragon but is not something I don't like because of what I said above.
Like I said, I like HL scenes better because in the end the scenes are good, same with Next Global Crisis choro scenes, wich are not that frequent but still good.
Like every other aspect of every other fetish. No wonder producers lose their minds trying to find the middle ground and why so many customers end up unhappy.maar13 wrote:And we are not going to discuss who is a bigger fan than the other because we like different sides of the fetish, and that doesn't make a "real" chloro fan anymore than me and the same goes the other way, I am not a bigger fan than you are either.
Indeed. For every unmasking fetishist who wants the heroine conscious and aware, there's someone else who finds it sexier if she's KO'ed before the unmasking.drh1966 wrote: Like every other aspect of every other fetish. No wonder producers lose their minds trying to find the middle ground and why so many customers end up unhappy.
I was going to say something about that... then I bit my tongue... or typing fingers... but yes-- seeing that post definitely made me think the same thing. This niche is not THAT big to have to worry about pirated videos (I'm always dealing with DCMA Takedown Notices)-- we all want to continue to film these and my actresses love to film them-- but if they are being pirated, it's going to make it hard to keep doing it...PowerGirlFanBoy wrote:Wow! A self-confessed pirater! Way to support the genre!
This is a different question... When asking for a PG project, I get PG answers-- this is a part of the genre that is new to me on the X side and I don't know specifics to the X-rated part until I ask... Not asking about peril and scenes-- asking about sexual situations-- which wouldn't apply to Heroine Legends because that project is PG-- so I wouldn't want to ask there...admin wrote:Logan. You ask the same questions over and over again, in different threads. The members of this forum have given you heaps of information about what they want to see. All you have to do is read the threads. I am not going to allow any more "What would you like to see" threads from you in the public forums. You can do it all day long in the Heroine Legends section.
Plus can I add I am tired of someone who says they don't make fetish material who then asks specifically for fetish ideas but then insists that they are not making fetish material. Its odd/creepy to me. Sounds like a little entryism.admin wrote:Logan. You ask the same questions over and over again, in different threads. The members of this forum have given you heaps of information about what they want to see. All you have to do is read the threads. I am not going to allow any more "What would you like to see" threads from you in the public forums. You can do it all day long in the Heroine Legends section.
Defeated Heroines is clearly fetish. My mainstream content is not though people with fetishes can enjoy it. I'm asking for ideas for Defeated Heroines. Fetish ideas.Mr. X wrote:Plus can I add I am tired of someone who says they don't make fetish material who then asks specifically for fetish ideas but then insists that they are not making fetish material. Its odd/creepy to me. Sounds like a little entryism.admin wrote:Logan. You ask the same questions over and over again, in different threads. The members of this forum have given you heaps of information about what they want to see. All you have to do is read the threads. I am not going to allow any more "What would you like to see" threads from you in the public forums. You can do it all day long in the Heroine Legends section.
Except you've asked the same question about adult/fetish content recently:Logan wrote:This is a different question... When asking for a PG project, I get PG answers-- this is a part of the genre that is new to me on the X side and I don't know specifics to the X-rated part until I ask... Not asking about peril and scenes-- asking about sexual situations-- which wouldn't apply to Heroine Legends because that project is PG-- so I wouldn't want to ask there...admin wrote:Logan. You ask the same questions over and over again, in different threads. The members of this forum have given you heaps of information about what they want to see. All you have to do is read the threads. I am not going to allow any more "What would you like to see" threads from you in the public forums. You can do it all day long in the Heroine Legends section.
I also used an existing thread so it would be all in one place.
A "free" video if I donate $100? That sounds like a great offer!Logan wrote: I would like to see this site succeed, so I'm asking that if anyone is interested, to please visit the site and donate a little to help him get his 1st video out! After that, he will be able to take the sales to fund further films. Now, as a thank you, if you contribute $100 or more, you will get the 1st video for free when it releases 2 days before everyone else!!
Logan wrote:Free was the wrong word to use. And why would you pull up a thread that is over a year old and has to do with someone else? I took over the DH site... Back then it wasn't 100% mine. I get the point about the question but find it funny that on the main page, there are 4 other producers asking the same question.
Just as you said-- Heroine Kombat (which is one series from one company) is mainly fighting-- when I ask for ideas for that series, I'm not asking for fetishes. I'm asking for what viewers enjoy seeing. For some viewers, those things ARE fetishes, but they don't have to be for everyone. Cross the Line is my mainstream, PG company. We don't produce anything that can't be shown to anyone. And we have shown theSuperheroines.com project which features Heroine Legends, Heroine Kombat, Shadowgirl, The Protectors, Infinity, etc to many people who have nothing to do with any type of fetish. That being said, almost every Heroine Kombat video is a custom order. That means there are things that are wanting to be seen in that series that may or may not be fetish-- but again, as you said, it's just a series of combat films. Certain moves are asked for and that is where the custom orders come in. I don't personally care if it is a fetish for someone-- that's up to the viewer/buyer. But when we place that element into a film and it is shot like a mainstream film, edited like one, and the actresses know all about the process and include what is being requested into the film where it makes sense to be, then you can argue all day long that it is fetish, but the intention is to make it sexy and risqué, not fetish.Mr. X wrote:Logan wrote:Free was the wrong word to use. And why would you pull up a thread that is over a year old and has to do with someone else? I took over the DH site... Back then it wasn't 100% mine. I get the point about the question but find it funny that on the main page, there are 4 other producers asking the same question.
I don't care if a producer asks for ideas. Be my guest. Generate excitement for your products. I think every producer should do that. Get people involved and excited.
Its this weird "I don't make fetish material BTW give me fetish ideas" thing you do that bothers me. The problem is people give you ideas and you say "Oh that's not this studio its some other studio" and its confusing. Your naming of studios isn't very intuitive. When you ask for fetish related ideas you're gonna get "hey take their tops off" or "climax them with a hitachi wand" ideas. Turning around and saying "oh that's not this studio" is confusing ESPECIALLY if your asking for ideas. "fetish" pretty much opens the can of worms.
I personally don't know how you are asking for fetish ideas in your heroine combat studio when you clearly are not making fetish material for that studio. Its basically just fighting isn't it?
Your requests just seem odd and confusing and especially your fetish denial.
The customer is NEVER wrong. If they are confused YOU MADE THEM CONFUSED. The reason people aren't getting it is cause YOU failed to get that distinction across.But that's a fine line I chose to stay on-- on the other hand, I have a site which is clearly fetish but no one wants to acknowledge that there is a difference. And maybe to you there isn't. Again, there is no reason for debate-- it's all superheroine and that's why we're here.
