Is heroine peril just dead?

[Void]

To be fair, a lot of what people like the Critical Drinker would consider to be 'woke' creative control in Hollywood is very concerned with heroines in fiction - it's a common complaint about 'girl bosses' and the like being made the protagonists of a whole era of productions. Now, whatever the feelings are about that, it does seem fertile ground for planting SHiP interest into new generations of people, right? They are being exposed to action heroines going on adventures and getting into trouble, and that really seems to be enough - it's certainly all I needed. When we were younger, action heroines, and depictions of action heroines, were much thinner on the ground than they are today - and that can only be good for nurturing interest in this genre.

If they also happened to be actually good writers, then I think they would be unironically much better for our genre than the writers who came before them. It's not like there was no way to write Rey well, for example - and there will 100% be people who had their first tingle watching her getting captured, and who imagined how else those scenarios could have played out.

And gaming, I mean, the gaming landscape is so incredibly vast now that it fans the flames more than it ever could before. There's whole subgenres of adult fetish games now which are even sold openly on steam, and which go really hard (Solas City Heroes), and there's whole rosters of new action heroines that have been released on that medium. Never mind all the games that let you create your own character or have wild mods (it will never not blow my mind how Skyrim's mods got to where they did). Like, there is gender theory stuff in some games, sure, but... okay? Even things like Dragon Age 4 still offers material that would stir something in someone with a burgeoning interest in SHiP.

I don't know if this is a hot take, but our fetish is not a hard one to acquire - it's not like it needs to be nurtured just right, and have the right amount of material exposed to someone at the right time to turn a light on for them. This is much more of a 'life finds a way' thing, where kinky people think kinky thoughts almost no matter what they're exposed to, and a very mild image or story could send them tumbling down a kinky rabbit hole. Haha, I think one of the first times I got a big fetishy tingle was when Lex Luthor put kryptonite around Superman's neck - there wasn't even a woman in that scene, never mind a sexy woman in a sexy outfit, written well, with an openly gender critical philosophy! I just got a raw sense of 'Mmm, this dynamic is fun...' and I was off to the races.

[Void]

Your statements are full of hypocrisy. You refuse to acknowledge where I pointed it out in earlier posts and pick out a single statement you consider to be the easier target to build your argument on. This both sides crap is just that, crap. It's what people say when they don't want to admit they're wrong about something, it's a cop out. The anonymity of the internet without face to face discourse makes it easy to avoid accountability for one's own actions.

You claim that people who use that term in a derogatory way are not a minority but in reality they are, it's just that they have big mouths and hatred spreads much faster than positive emotions. The problem we have today is people are not willing to stand up for moral values and instead fall in with the crowd that suits them best.

What you fail to see is, it's not about progressive or conservative values, it's about moral values. You can lean right or left politically, but we all have to agree on certain moral values. If not we descend into madness.

I think I've said all I want to say here.

...Re-read our exchange. If you find hypocrisy, or a substantiated point of yours that isn't acknowledged, quote them and I will apologise for them if I agree with you. Maybe check to see where you yourself are landing on refusing to acknowledge points while you charge hypocrisy.

I understand I'm not moving you on this - you actually are strapping into a binary - but it's worth pondering what your full moral values are, and how you impart them onto others who don't share all of them yet. How do we agree on certain moral values? What happens when we have diverging certain moral values? If you are curious what is moving the moderate centrists away from your position, consider the unironic zealotry you are championing here. There's something going on in accusing people of being hateful and ignorant, of wanting to stamp their ideas out, if they even mildly disparage your moral values, with no room for nuance, on the basis we have to AGREE on certain moral values.

[hpibd]

It feels like people are throwing rotten vegetables at me because of my call for order, but I believe I'm being misunderstood: I'm not trying to "discourage politics", my intention with that post was to prevent what is going on right now: people getting into long-drawn argument and rants focusing on the political and social movements involved, and their morals, but not explaining how that relates to "the death of heroine peril".

I understand that politics are inevitable when discussing any sort of media, but my point is that the people who make observations about the death of peril, and use politics in their theory/explanation, then start focusing on the political movement itself instead of explaining how such a movement affects the death of peril.

Even worse, others react to such statements, but then they start arguing about the political movement too!

In short: I don't think politics in general should be banned from the site or anything. But the topic page is called "Is heroine peril just dead?" and not "Let's educate each other in our worldviews".

So I think we should mention politics when relevant, and then discuss how it affects the topic, not rant about the politics themselves. I wonder if there are others who see/think the same.

Thanks for listening to my TED talk.

[Femina]

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

Oh please. The left controls media and has done so for years. If mainstream Hollywood wanted SHIP we would have it in a heart beat. Its the left who are the new busy body church ladies patrolling our pronouns and screaming about sexual objectifying.

Look at video games. I worked in that industry for 30 years. Its not run by right wingers. We don't get any sexy stuff in games. Instead we get gender propaganda.

You're so busy blaming the right you fail to admit its the left that's the wet blanket.

I'm not talking about media? I'm talking about the places the kids are at that isn't HERE, and thus why the fetish may be 'dying'. You might want to step outside once in awhile or chat with a niece or nephew about what they actually DO. Kids don't watch TV anymore. They barely go to the theater (they DO still play video games) and the 'media' they consume is Youtube.... like Youtube ALL the time, and that's the place the're learning the stuff I'm talking about.

I'm also not talking about producing Ship DIRECTLY... no one's EVER done that( daaaah... I mean in the Mainstream of course). Even the oldschool Batman programs, the peril stuff was always just a throwaway gag at the end of every other episode and not the meat of the product. Wonder Woman had some perils in like three episodes, and the rest of it she's ABSOLUTELY victorious in almost every way. The SHiP fetish doesn't come from DIRECTLY throwing superheroine peril in our faces 24/7... but by providing superheroines onscreen and for the occasional perils of these larger than life perils to resonate...

There was never some golden age where we were watching a tv show ostensibly ABOUT a superheroine being defeated. I don't know why people think this is the case either. About the only thing I could maybe agree with you on is that, within the bounds of the VERY FEW superheroine products in relation to superhero products, there doesn't seem to be much focus at all on perils....... but that's also in the eye of the beholder. I mean in Captain Marvel she's captured and put in a little brain reading device. In Thor 3/Shazam 2 there's all sorts of superheroines in a bind scenes... it's not as though NOTHING perilous is happening... it's that it isn't resonating with fans of these things enough to inspire them toward the fetish. Whose to say this couldn't ignight someone with a further interest in heroines being tied up or brainwashed etc.... It's certainly difficult to think about NOW... but in the 1960's... was chloroforming WW really that shocking or erotic a concept in ANY way... I don't think so? I think it was the viewers who saw it, and brooded on it, and grew the concept over the course of 60 years into the more 'taboo' concept it is today... like... they chloroformed KING KONG back in the day remember? It wasn't this saucy taboo subject at that time.

As for the left being 'Church Ladies'..... stop, you're making me laugh way too hard. That is close to the funniest thing you've ever said. Let's just leave it at that before I die laughing like the weasels in Roger Rabbit?

It feels like people are throwing rotten vegetables at me because of my call for order, but I believe I'm being misunderstood: I'm not trying to "discourage politics", my intention with that post was to prevent what is going on right now: people getting into long-drawn argument and rants focusing on the political and social movements involved, and their morals, but not explaining how that relates to "the death of heroine peril".

I understand that politics are inevitable when discussing any sort of media, but my point is that the people who make observations about the death of peril, and use politics in their theory/explanation, then start focusing on the political movement itself instead of explaining how such a movement affects the death of peril.

Even worse, others react to such statements, but then they start arguing about the political movement too!

In short: I don't think politics in general should be banned from the site or anything. But the topic page is called "Is heroine peril just dead?" and not "Let's educate each other in our worldviews".

So I think we should mention politics when relevant, and then discuss how it affects the topic, not rant about the politics themselves. I wonder if there are others who see/think the same.

Thanks for listening to my TED talk.

No hey, I get it. We're inundated with that crap 24/7 more and more and MORE than ever before in every corner of our lives in the current climate, and while I can't speak for everyone, I definitely do not mean to crap on you for voicing your exasperation with this. My statements above are majorly expressed for THIS topic in particular. There are many many MANY topics on this site where talking about politics at all simply isn't necessary or relevant and can only lead towards huge shitposts that have nothing relevant to offer the discussion at hand. It's just that this one specifically, the reasons behind why SHiP is dying in the culture (the overall culture, not just 'inside the active SHiP fetish) is a conversation in which the political climate is directly relevant too... and I'm not even talking 'right and left' majorly even. I'm more inclined to agree with many of the other 'right leaning' voices out here, that the new wave of EXTREME-hate mongering freakshows, content hate-farming for our kids attention aren't REALLY 'right leaners' and are really just closeted and budding fascists who really should be considered as a whole new THIRD thing.

[HiDef]

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

Oh please. The left controls media and has done so for years. If mainstream Hollywood wanted SHIP we would have it in a heart beat. Its the left who are the new busy body church ladies patrolling our pronouns and screaming about sexual objectifying.

Look at video games. I worked in that industry for 30 years. Its not run by right wingers. We don't get any sexy stuff in games. Instead we get gender propaganda.

You're so busy blaming the right you fail to admit its the left that's the wet blanket.

Really? https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-s ... 19909.html

[superbia19872]

To be fair, a lot of what people like the Critical Drinker would consider to be 'woke' creative control in Hollywood is very concerned with heroines in fiction - it's a common complaint about 'girl bosses' and the like being made the protagonists of a whole era of productions. Now, whatever the feelings are about that, it does seem fertile ground for planting SHiP interest into new generations of people, right? They are being exposed to action heroines going on adventures and getting into trouble, and that really seems to be enough - it's certainly all I needed. When we were younger, action heroines, and depictions of action heroines, were much thinner on the ground than they are today - and that can only be good for nurturing interest in this genre.

If they also happened to be actually good writers, then I think they would be unironically much better for our genre than the writers who came before them. It's not like there was no way to write Rey well, for example - and there will 100% be people who had their first tingle watching her getting captured, and who imagined how else those scenarios could have played out.

And gaming, I mean, the gaming landscape is so incredibly vast now that it fans the flames more than it ever could before. There's whole subgenres of adult fetish games now which are even sold openly on steam, and which go really hard (Solas City Heroes), and there's whole rosters of new action heroines that have been released on that medium. Never mind all the games that let you create your own character or have wild mods (it will never not blow my mind how Skyrim's mods got to where they did). Like, there is gender theory stuff in some games, sure, but... okay? Even things like Dragon Age 4 still offers material that would stir something in someone with a burgeoning interest in SHiP.

I don't know if this is a hot take, but our fetish is not a hard one to acquire - it's not like it needs to be nurtured just right, and have the right amount of material exposed to someone at the right time to turn a light on for them. This is much more of a 'life finds a way' thing, where kinky people think kinky thoughts almost no matter what they're exposed to, and a very mild image or story could send them tumbling down a kinky rabbit hole. Haha, I think one of the first times I got a big fetishy tingle was when Lex Luthor put kryptonite around Superman's neck - there wasn't even a woman in that scene, never mind a sexy woman in a sexy outfit, written well, with an openly gender critical philosophy! I just got a raw sense of 'Mmm, this dynamic is fun...' and I was off to the races.

Yeah, i got my first tingle one morning pretending i was superman in that one george reeves episode where they locked him in a room and tried to fry him and he played along. I had no idea what the fuck was happening. I ran to the kitchen and drank water.

It's cool that you had a similar experience because i was also going to add that o don't know how big a deal it is that kids aren't watching the 19xx whatever batgirl. I know that was the every point for many people, but it certainly wasn't for me and i still found my way here. I think anyone who would otherwise be a kinky person that had a special interest in super heroes as a kid is very prone to at least a passing arousal, and we usually find these things out for ourselves.

[superbia19872]

It feels like people are throwing rotten vegetables at me because of my call for order, but I believe I'm being misunderstood: I'm not trying to "discourage politics", my intention with that post was to prevent what is going on right now: people getting into long-drawn argument and rants focusing on the political and social movements involved, and their morals, but not explaining how that relates to "the death of heroine peril".

I understand that politics are inevitable when discussing any sort of media, but my point is that the people who make observations about the death of peril, and use politics in their theory/explanation, then start focusing on the political movement itself instead of explaining how such a movement affects the death of peril.

Even worse, others react to such statements, but then they start arguing about the political movement too!

In short: I don't think politics in general should be banned from the site or anything. But the topic page is called "Is heroine peril just dead?" and not "Let's educate each other in our worldviews".

So I think we should mention politics when relevant, and then discuss how it affects the topic, not rant about the politics themselves. I wonder if there are others who see/think the same.

Thanks for listening to my TED talk.

Cool, so this is still my post, my discussion, and I'm here for it. I was cool to you before. I'm firmly going to ask you to step off now.

[sneakly]

people on both sides of the political spectrum will leave this site because they aren't here to talk politics, or even talk about why we should or shouldn't talk politics. My dick makes many choices for me but it knows no politics. If you want to create a politics section that is opt in only, go ahead. I have seen that with other discussion boards.

Let's limit the discussion to trends in fetishes... Bondage, peril, sex, fighting, heroines, traps, villains and pop-culture related aspects. If you want to include politics in your art or your stories, at least make it good fetish fuel, not to score points over the other side. Even politically slanted shows like the Boys can be enjoyed just for the fetishistic component. If the politics is annoying, just say it and leave it at that. No one cares if you think Batgirl is a woke feminist as long as she gets tied up and gets bukkaked on her gagged face a few times.

Dua Lipa looks hot in the Argyll. Do I care whether Argyll has a political subtext? No. Myle Cyrus vegan? who cares? her legs go on forever. The politics of the latest Superman movie? Who cares? Was it fun? New Supergirl hot?

If you can't get past the politics of a movie, TV show or actress, that is a you problem. You can say, "I watched it, but the politics was a turn off." Leave it at that.

Hi, this is my post and we won't be discouraging political disorder on it. You are free to bury your own head in the sand, I doubt this discussion is even very important to you since you like bukkake, so please let them hash it out. Shit is bad right now.

Furthermore, politics have ALWAYS been a prominent staple of super hero media so this just isn't even a media literate take. This is also not a discussion about Batgirl getting tied up. This is a discussion about why peril is dead in heroine peril and social issues are very relevant to shifts in a given community's constituents.

hmm... you asked an opinion and I gave it. Heroine peril is escapist entertainment. Dragging real world arguments into a fantasy land isn't necessarily why anyone comes here. You pointed out the fall after in 2017... I wonder what real world events were occurring during that time period?

A good thing to keep in mind is that almost all of the damsel in distress content that has ever been available in the last 50 years is still available today. As a matter of fact, it is even more available today than it was ten years ago. You can go to look every peril scene in movies, TV or video on Brian's discussion page. you can look at every batgirl bat-trap ever conceived of on YouTube and a plethora of other sites of a much more hard core nature. You can watch Darla Crane or Christina Carter or Daphne Blake at your leisure. So it is not a problem with availability.

It may be that Heroine perils lacks the novelty that it did when I was a kid. You had to read TV Guide, scan the channels after school to see which episodes of Star Trek or Batman were playing that day. Is it the Episode where Yeoman Rand was captured and tied up or YC was dancing in green paint? That dynamic no longer exists. You can find it any time you want and as hard core as you want and their are dozens of postings every day about it on Reddit, Discord, DeviantArt and a dozen other sites. Kids today may simply be finding other things to be captivated by. It may also be that a traditional message board isn't their preferred medium.

My first online experiences with adult themed content was on USENET newsgroups. Yahoo Groups? Who remembers those? MySpace? SimLife? It may be that younger people are pursuing interest in Heroine Peril and we are just not in the right space to see it. There are places I wouldn't post my stories because I thought the user base was too young and it would be inappropriate to post adult content to it. I joined Deviant Art because my kids were using it. That was 15 years ago. It is no longer populated with little kids. The same thing with FaceBook. My kids wouldn't be caught dead there now. it is all old people with families.

The people that wrote Star Wars and Indiana Jones were writing about the things that resonated with them growing up in the 1950s. The same way Jim Weathers makes videos about Batgirl and O-girl, they resonate with when he was growing up. I write stories that resonate with the same time period.

I do not know what will resonate with the people that are making content who are watching subreddits instead of doing classwork,

[superbia19872]

people on both sides of the political spectrum will leave this site because they aren't here to talk politics, or even talk about why we should or shouldn't talk politics. My dick makes many choices for me but it knows no politics. If you want to create a politics section that is opt in only, go ahead. I have seen that with other discussion boards.

Let's limit the discussion to trends in fetishes... Bondage, peril, sex, fighting, heroines, traps, villains and pop-culture related aspects. If you want to include politics in your art or your stories, at least make it good fetish fuel, not to score points over the other side. Even politically slanted shows like the Boys can be enjoyed just for the fetishistic component. If the politics is annoying, just say it and leave it at that. No one cares if you think Batgirl is a woke feminist as long as she gets tied up and gets bukkaked on her gagged face a few times.

Dua Lipa looks hot in the Argyll. Do I care whether Argyll has a political subtext? No. Myle Cyrus vegan? who cares? her legs go on forever. The politics of the latest Superman movie? Who cares? Was it fun? New Supergirl hot?

If you can't get past the politics of a movie, TV show or actress, that is a you problem. You can say, "I watched it, but the politics was a turn off." Leave it at that.

Hi, this is my post and we won't be discouraging political disorder on it. You are free to bury your own head in the sand, I doubt this discussion is even very important to you since you like bukkake, so please let them hash it out. Shit is bad right now.

Furthermore, politics have ALWAYS been a prominent staple of super hero media so this just isn't even a media literate take. This is also not a discussion about Batgirl getting tied up. This is a discussion about why peril is dead in heroine peril and social issues are very relevant to shifts in a given community's constituents.

hmm... you asked an opinion and I gave it. Heroine peril is escapist entertainment. Dragging real world arguments into a fantasy land isn't necessarily why anyone comes here. You pointed out the fall after in 2017... I wonder what real world events were occurring during that time period?

A good thing to keep in mind is that almost all of the damsel in distress content that has ever been available in the last 50 years is still available today. As a matter of fact, it is even more available today than it was ten years ago. You can go to look every peril scene in movies, TV or video on Brian's discussion page. you can look at every batgirl bat-trap ever conceived of on YouTube and a plethora of other sites of a much more hard core nature. You can watch Darla Crane or Christina Carter or Daphne Blake at your leisure. So it is not a problem with availability.

It may be that Heroine perils lacks the novelty that it did when I was a kid. You had to read TV Guide, scan the channels after school to see which episodes of Star Trek or Batman were playing that day. Is it the Episode where Yeoman Rand was captured and tied up or YC was dancing in green paint? That dynamic no longer exists. You can find it any time you want and as hard core as you want and their are dozens of postings every day about it on Reddit, Discord, DeviantArt and a dozen other sites. Kids today may simply be finding other things to be captivated by. It may also be that a traditional message board isn't their preferred medium.

My first online experiences with adult themed content was on USENET newsgroups. Yahoo Groups? Who remembers those? MySpace? SimLife? It may be that younger people are pursuing interest in Heroine Peril and we are just not in the right space to see it. There are places I wouldn't post my stories because I thought the user base was too young and it would be inappropriate to post adult content to it. I joined Deviant Art because my kids were using it. That was 15 years ago. It is no longer populated with little kids. The same thing with FaceBook. My kids wouldn't be caught dead there now. it is all old people with families.

The people that wrote Star Wars and Indiana Jones were writing about the things that resonated with them growing up in the 1950s. The same way Jim Weathers makes videos about Batgirl and O-girl, they resonate with when he was growing up. I write stories that resonate with the same time period.

I do not know what will resonate with the people that are making content who are watching subreddits instead of doing classwork,

Sorry if you felt that i was rejecting your opinion. I only disagree that politics aren't related. I think that social issues are important. I think that they have relevant points as to have the cultural shift of the past 10 years could play a roll and i think that any opportunity for each side to gain inderstanding from each other should be encouraged whether it's at some designated debate club or on a tangential topic on a ramdom superheroine forum. Nobody is sharing sexy content here. This is inherently a discussion. Let em duke it out. They'll be fine.

I do remember myspace. I miss myspace. Honestly, i hate that Facebook won the format war. Take me back. I want to redesign my profile and pick a new song for it every week while i rank my friends in public.

[SHL]

Maybe the real superheroine peril is reading all of you make a fetish political LOL

Talk about tossing a wrench into the spokes, a bunch of you make my dick soft

[ivandobsky]

People these days are so obsessed by retarded politics of some flavour or other, there's little time left for wanking. :(

Arguably this is a political post too.

[Abductorenmadrid]

Yeah seems pretty dry. Giga is the same way, just the same porn flic over and over. Also a lack of 3d and art. Even AI stuff is kind of scarce on the subject.

Basically nobody is really making anything. The classic concept of a super heroine is dead apparently.

I try, from the manip side, prodding various themes, though yes, I frequently have a BDSM slant, but feedback on one-shot images is non-existent. Be it in-costume or not, or fighting or losing, naked and defeated, being de-powered or blackmailed it's rare something is said about a theme of my work pushing someone's buttons. So, I continue to scattershot with little one-offs into the ether with the spare time that I have. It's disheartening, with the view count, to see the paucity of discussion that various creators generate from their work. Heck, there is more discussion generation in this thread about "is heroine peril dead?" than many contributions get which actually have some peril in it. If that's not a hint at a work/reward problem and why the peril people want isn't getting created then I don't know what else is.

[sugarcoater]

Yes

Superheroine peril thrived in the 90's-2010's about the time we reached the peak of diversity of superheroine relevance in the typical media (that being primarily comics at the time) during probably the 'least' sexist human beings have been in most of our lifetimes within the typical countries releasing said media... not saying NO sexism obviously, but there weren't thousands of social media posts and about 35 youtube videos a day whining about women in media at that time.

Inundating yourself with Supergirl stories, and finding likeminded fans of Supergirl getting into peril online was cute, novel, and exciting... and it spread while people were charitable... but what's NOT cute, novel or exciting, is the seventeenth Tim Poole video of the month bitching that Supergirl is 'woke' now because she drank some booze.

SHiP is dying, and it's the right wing grifter that's killing it. The types of people that WOULD flock here, are instead being swallowed up by the grift machine, convincing them that the source of all their trouble and woes are women and black people, and they don't want to see novel videos or Stories of Supergirl getting into trouble before winning the day, they don't want to see Supergirl AT ALL. They want to see Chuck Norris kick 'Wokeness' so hard that we return the country to the 1860's and want to #FreeAndrewTate!

In short, the right wing grift is breeding a generation of sexist little shits, who'd rather eat off their right arm than participate in a fetish about women, EVEN about the objectification and peril of women. That ain't in 'the matrix' bro! That's 'gaaaaaaaaaay' to be watching a video with a woman in it dude! Watch an alpha male video of a buff sweaty man work out! That's where it's at!

This might be some seriously deranged thinking. Where is this coming from? Where is any hard evidence present? You are clearly a progressive, which is fine, but you are absolutely presenting a false representation of people who dare have a different political view than you do. Whether it is having no friends or co-workers with whom you can have a civil disagreement but quality discussion on political matters, or whether you are isolated in an echo chamber, you really should consider trying to understand the other side of the ideological aisle. And I'm not writing about politicians; I'm referencing ordinary everyday people who enjoy the same things you do, but who have a different perspective. No normal conservative or moderate person is suggesting anything along the lines of what you are referencing.

I'm a little baffled here... I've nowhere indicated you cannot have a different opinion from me, nor have I discouraged discussion of alternative rationale or ADDITIONAL reasons why the fetish is dying, I was merely supplying the one I've personally witnessed the most of. Perhaps emphatically (when my opinion was directly inquired about), but in no way was intended suppressively or exclusively. If you've read that from anything I've said, then we've experienced a miscommunication. My comments regarding the state of the behaviors of the people on this website are additionally simply observational........ but don't mistake me here, I'm not describing anyone HERE as the 'Manosphere' freakshow. I sincerely doubt any of us has a youtube channel we're preaching our shit through... but we are all of us *susceptible* to the grift if we don't protect ourselves, ESPECIALLY the current uninitiated youth the manosphere is particularly advertising too. You may be interested in my statement further down where I additionally question if these people can even be considered 'right' anymore, and aren't merely 'masquerading' in the right.

And for the record, most of my entire extended family is right wing, so I DO hear plenty from normal conservatives whom I in no way believe to be interested in causing much societal harm or devastation. The 'grift' ain't perpetrated by normal conservatives. I think we can all agree on that much?

Your last post is a fair one and the explanation makes sense. I just see the grift on both sides, more heavily from progressives these days. I appreciate you taking the time to expand on your point. No back to our mutual frustration regarding the concerns with the genre...

[Femina]

Your last post is a fair one and the explanation makes sense. I just see the grift on both sides, more heavily from progressives these days. I appreciate you taking the time to expand on your point. No back to our mutual frustration regarding the concerns with the genre...

I question what 'grifts' on the left you're finding that are reaching very many people but I'm not gonna quibble with you on it. I firmly believe the left has it's own grifts, just that they are really bad at it and thus aren't much responsible for infecting the minds of the youth the way these alpha male freakshows and neo-nazi incel gamer grifter freaks are. I feel like most of them try to claim centrism but their messaging is always always ALWAYS directed towards farming aggression and dog whistling to sick their viewers on everything and anything that offends their thin egos.

Anyway, this is additionally only from the 'consumer' direction. We've also seen a lot of discussion here from the production level... I saw another post up above however about like... current porn/peril game productions being more prevalent then ever and sorta kinda agree a bit. Perhaps it's just a 'media' shift we're experiencing? I've definitely found loads of pretty decent 'heroine peril' adjacent Indy games over the past few years even if only one or two of them have been specifically 'superheroine' related on the surface?

[superbia19872]

a bunch of you make my dick soft

That's funny. I could say the same thing about the content you produce.

[superbia19872]

People these days are so obsessed by retarded politics of some flavour or other, there's little time left for wanking. :(

Arguably this is a political post too.

You couldn't possibly be more welcome to ignore posts you're not interested in.

[SHL]

a bunch of you make my dick soft

That's funny. I could say the same thing about the content you produce.

I think thats kind of the point of the content I make as dicks get soft after they cum



If you want to hurt me you will have to try harder love

[superbia19872]

a bunch of you make my dick soft

That's funny. I could say the same thing about the content you produce.

I think thats kind of the point of the content I make as dicks get soft after they cum



If you want to hurt me you will have to try harder love

that's cute, no it's not. I'm not really interested in "throwing hands. If you want to scrap, find me on threads, but if you think that was trying to hurt your feelings, you're a cute puppy.

Anyway, it would've cost you zero dollars not to talk shit about someone else's conversation. You're extremely free to ignore discussions that don't interest you.

Now, if you don't feel like you're interested in this discussion, go film a dick and leave the person who has openly stated that they don't even like your work to begin with alone.

To be clear, I started this discussion and i think the exchanges that are happening are both relevant and interesting. I've been following them and it would be fantastic if 3 of you would stop trying to shut them down and go somewhere else. This is one single thread in an entire forum. There are so many places for you to be where you aren't shutting down the discussion that i came here for.

[SHL]

that's cute, no it's not. I'm not really interested in "throwing hands. If you want to scrap, find me on threads, but if you think that was trying to hurt your feelings, you're a cute puppy.

Anyway, it would've cost you zero dollars not to talk shit about someone else's conversation. You're extremely free to ignore discussions that don't interest you.

Now, if you don't feel like you're interested in this discussion, go film a dick and leave the person who has openly stated that they don't even like your work to begin with alone.

To be clear, I started this discussion and i think the exchanges that are happening are both relevant and interesting. I've been following them and it would be fantastic if 3 of you would stop trying to shut them down and go somewhere else. This is one single thread in an entire forum. There are so many places for you to be where you aren't shutting down the discussion that i came here for.

Conversation so riveting mods sent it to die in the Phantom Zone

LOL

[superbia19872]

that's cute, no it's not. I'm not really interested in "throwing hands. If you want to scrap, find me on threads, but if you think that was trying to hurt your feelings, you're a cute puppy.

Anyway, it would've cost you zero dollars not to talk shit about someone else's conversation. You're extremely free to ignore discussions that don't interest you.

Now, if you don't feel like you're interested in this discussion, go film a dick and leave the person who has openly stated that they don't even like your work to begin with alone.

To be clear, I started this discussion and i think the exchanges that are happening are both relevant and interesting. I've been following them and it would be fantastic if 3 of you would stop trying to shut them down and go somewhere else. This is one single thread in an entire forum. There are so many places for you to be where you aren't shutting down the discussion that i came here for.

Conversation so riveting mods sent it to die in the Phantom Zone

LOL

Gasp, a niche conversation? Removed from the front page? You mean... I suggested uninterested parties simply ignore it for topics that do interest them and they did?

So why are you still here? Especially, now that the conversation has fizzled anyway?

[batgirleve]

I can't even use clips4sale anymore because it's just pages and pages of heroines with dicks in their mouths. Bluestone is collapsing. Heroine movies is also nothing but sexual content now. Wtf happened?

Jut sent you a DM. please check when possible. thank you

[Opaque]

Old thread, but I guess this forum isn't what it once was and is slow moving.(or not moving)
Anyway, I really don't understand what you guys are yapping about. political commentators, manosphere, right, left?
The superheroine in peril genre as inspired by Yvonne Craig's Batgirl, Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman, Helen Slater's Supergirl and I guess Electra Woman and Dyna Girl, and various heroines in TV and movies + comic books. That is practically dead. Sure there are some holdouts tapping into that kind of energy still, but for the most part it is gone.
Why is it gone? People moved away from scheduled TV. Fetishes are usually awakened at a young age and barely any young boy sat and watched Supergirl the tv-show long enough to catch the peril moments to be "awakened". Some of them aren't even old enough currently to feed producers with demand if they were awakened, and the ones who are, well the stuff is "free" all over the internet.
The content out there that would feed the pipeline simply does not reach a large enough number of young boys to awaken them and move the needle in this niche. No young boys read superhero comics. While damsel in distress is seemingly a timeless fetish, the superheroine variant might simply not be that interesting anymore. It was already a niche within damsel in distress. Its time may have passed.

So what is the pipeline now? Well it's teenagers and older who sees Supergirl, Black Widow or whoever and they think she's hot and they want to fuck her, that's it. Cosplay porn is enough, maybe diving into "costumed bad ass bitch with an attitude gets fucked for an hour". Of course as mentioned in this thread, even oldheads have been waiting for sexing the heroine's holes content to arrive. I buy some of that content myself, but I'm even more picky in what I buy.
The sincere heroine who is maybe a little naive, doing her very best yet keeps falling for traps is not on the radar of anyone except oldheads, unfortunately.

Meanwhile I'm having a laugh just generating campy/cheesy stuff(https://imgur.com/a/SyyNUAM) using AI as it's the only thing that really delivers certain aspects these days.

Oh and as for mainstream tv and movies overall. The days of writers sneaking in fetishes totally spies style are for the most part over. The sensitivity consulting or whatever it is, is simply too much these days.